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it's either gonna be a continual barrage of flood posts or some sort of giant walls of text incoming from the 3 stooges | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:00 Holyflare wrote: Bugs if you had a rb and were mafia who would you be rbing? me. And if iGrok is town, him | ||
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anyway same answer except I'd probably RB rayn and then iGrok. Rayn is a guaranteed RB on n1 because he claimed PC and didn't retract it | ||
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posts made after deadline but before the flip are restricted to popcorn or you may face a warning/modkill There will be a voting thread Plurality lynch Replacements until the end of day 2 only. Town can vote for a no lynch. Mafia can not hold their shot. In the (hopefully unlikely) event that no mafia shot is presented to the hosts, a non-mafia target will be chosen at random. If a player's action would return "no result" that player will receive a PM Veteran is NOT notified if they absorb a shot Roleblock/jailer targets are NOT notified via PM Mafia KP is carried by a specific player and can be blocked Mafia RB > town RB/jailer > everyone else. Roleblock/jail does defeat passive abilities (GF/vet/miller/wanderer) No player may target themselves with any power I'm not entirely sure how PC works in this game with roleblocks especially given that thing in the thread about the (I tried...) | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WBG, given your reads, what is mafia VE's motivation for not engaging you on town ruxxar over mafia iGrok? I don't remember him ever engaging me on iGrok except calling iGrok a leading wagon and then BC putting VE in his place like two posts later pointing out iGrok is not leading anymore (it was like 2 votes on each of 3 players) Also I have no idea why he'd scum both me and BC for wanting to give iGrok a pass given that all three of us have played with iGrok before and consider him a solid vet, and I don't remember ever playing with ruxxar. Also I don't actually know if iGrok is mafia here, he just looks like mafia who for some reason took really detailed notes on the game. Well, that or took really detailed notes as a townie and then just never had time to explain them. But anyway flipping iGrok is optimal here. It will open everyone's shut eyes on the three stooges. Not to mention, he was fucking scumming iGrok when his vote was on Calix for a good chunk so it's not like I even thought he believed iGrok was scum over Calix. Look at him respond to me at 1156 and the post after admitting his vote is on Calix even though he's attacking me for not agreeing on iGrok. Also at EoD he sheeped me TO KILL HIS TOWNREAD WHEN IGROK WAS LEADING Like I will literally never townread VE there even if I was probably being bullish with the wagon because VE can think for himself and not shift blame on others when they give him 20 billion opportunities to explain his scum reads in a 72 hour day game and he comes back and meekly moves his vote off a scumread to kill a townread on the sole basis of me townreading him for it. | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hey I've been keeping cool too  though that's fair, she has been under pressure a lot. Not really this day as much though as it became a two-man race pretty quick. As for Rayn, he always gets stuck on singular things and doesn't let go. I don't think it's alignment indicative for him, if anything it's town indicative.I can see where you're coming from. However, I can also see it mafia being pissed that their first post got them under so much scrutiny that even when she's putting in the legwork, people like rayn are still not re-evaluating them. I don't think frustration is alignment indicative. Just because you're mafia doesn't mean you can't be annoyed at people scumreading you for reasons you think are bad. As for following up on questions, I'll grant you it's a slight point in her favour, but I don't think it's hard to do. I presume you mean her Koshi/Rayn reads? I don't see her scumreading VE any time beyond the initial tinfoil. The rest of this seems to be more about VE which'll need a followup that I really don't think I'll ever have time for when I think he's likely town/to be solved later at best. Her reactions have definitely been on point in a calm and collected way, but for me that isn't town indicative. I don't know her meta at all, and everyone responds differently to pressure as different alignments. Have you played with her before as either alignment? I played against her when I was scum and she was town, and I think my gut read of her style from that game is not terribly off from her style this game. However I really haven't compared the two. Anyway, you can disagree with me all you want but I implore you to put the effort into reading VE. Trust me, if there is anyone in this game who knows how to read VE, it's me. | ||
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On May 25 2019 19:19 VisceraEyes wrote: You know bugs is basically hard claiming PR now right? TMI TMI TMI IF YOU BELIEVE THIS AS TOWN WHY DO YOU ANNOUNCE IT IN THREAD | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:19 VisceraEyes wrote: He's ignoring posts where I interact amicably and productively with all of disformation/Holyflare/Jock. amicably and productively = every single time you poop on their reads and try to make them less confident. He's ignoring the fact that I do engage with him - I just disagree with him and he's salty af. The literal lynchpin of the case is you saying you disagree with me on disfo/ruxxar (I townread disfo and scumread ruxxar). Yet, disfo is one of the few players you never voted d1!!!! He's ignoring the fact that I tried on D1 to achieve consolidation, and broke it only in an effort to appease and work with him. My consolidation options given to you were disfo, ruxxar, and Calix. You never voted disfo even though you scummed disfo like four times interacting with me. I even called you out on it and you just matrix dodged. Then you voted your townread ruxxar when iGrok was the leading lynch. GTFOH with your complete and utter lack of hard stances this game. He's ignoring the fact that I've towntold innumerable times in this thread. The best towntell anyone has for you is that they're not reading your filter because it's 30+ pages. | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If he believes it as mafia why wouldn't he just shoot you and not say anything? because he needs to discredit me first, he knows I will flip town. It's just a series of posts in which he does nothing but discredit me with 0 reasons. He even just spams in bold with no rebuttals whatsoever multiple times just to bury a completely reasonable post I've made. There is no town motivation for him saying that BTW. Literal zero. There is no reason for any townie to out a blue in public. | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Like that's a lot of my issue with Bugs certainty here...he's assuming that me/rayn/Koshi are mafia...playting without a mafQT? Just openly doing everything in thread? wtf"? man you, rayn and Koshi are all good scum players and literally all three of you are known for spamming the hell out of any thread you are in regardless of alignment. None of you have reasons for any reads you put forth whatsoever, and you spend 99% of your time poopooing things in ways that end up being completely contradictory but no one notices because no one is willing to do the dirty work of filter diving you. Because collectively you have 32 + 18 + 34 = 84 pages of filter in a 200 page game. 84 pages out of 200 from 3 players, 2 of whom say absolutely nothing except Calix and Jock are scum and anyone who doesn't think so is pants-on head, and 1 of whom takes absolutely no hard stances whatsoever and moves his vote around based on the weakest sniff of thread sentiment | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This sequence of post makes me think it might be iGrok/Calix after all and at the same time it doesn't. iGrok voted Calix for a grand total of 15 minutes before realizing HF/Calix is unlikely to be a pair. Yet he's fine with Rux being lynched over his top 2 scumreads. Why would he not want to resolve HF/Calix? If Calix is lynched and flips green, he'd know HF is red, and he's null on Rux. I don't comprehend his thought process at all. which is why you SHOULD call him scum. and in the off-chance he flips town, you kill rayn and Koshi who defended him for 0 reasons whatsoever. | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:31 VisceraEyes wrote: 1) Yes, by poking holes in their logic and trying to see other perspectives. It's called trying to understand peoples reads. Try it sometime, rather than just try and shove your own reads down peoples' throat. 2) Yes I never voted disfo! That doesn't make me mafia! I voted for a bunch of different people, and I ultimately never ended up thinking disfo was mafia either! :OOOOOOOOOO THIS DOESN'T MAKE ME MAFIA! And in spite of disagreeing with you, I DID END UP WORKING WITH YOU IN THE END ON RUXXAR! :OOOOOOOO 3) Yes, you gave me a shit list of candidates and I didn't lynch into it! No one wanted to lynch Calix regardless of how I felt about it, I disagreed on ruxxar, and I disagreed on disfo! So yes, I GOT CONSOLIDATION ON IGROK, which you're now using AGAINST ME, AND THEN I ABANDONED IT IN THE NAME OF WORKING WITH YOU WHICH IS THE LITERAL LYNCHPIN OF THE CASE THAT I WON'T WORK WITH YOUAWOFINAOAPIWERVNIAOPVN 4) That's pretty decent, though i'm even capable of that as mafia and is not what I'm referring to. Just remove this point, it's dumb anyway. The first three completely decimate your entire case against me, the rest of it is "feels" based because you dislike the way I've played this game so far. 1. so you manage to poke holes in everyone else's logic but never offer up your own scumreads, basically ever, why? Well, with the exception of disfo being scum, which you didn't explain, and didn't push even though I gave him as an option to you. 2. Can you point out to me at which point you thought disfo was town and why? 3. A shit list of candidates in which I explicitly townread disfo, but you disagreed with him and didn't vote him. But now it's you disagreed on disfo at the same time I presented them? Which one is it VE? Here's what you said at the moment I was arguing with you about consolidation: On May 21 2019 11:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs you're doing a lot of narrative building to justify your reads. Like, I came to the exact opposite read of disfo's filter, it looks like he's FAR more guilty of the things you're accusing ruxxar of and you're making up some shit to justify calling him town and rux mafia. | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:34 Holyflare wrote: I feel like I'm in a different world and the only one actually trying to undermine my reads is bugs :D read my last post on VE. I just slam dunked him | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:39 Holyflare wrote: I'm going to have to disagree really, I don't agree with any of it. why do you think VE calling disfo scum but ruxxar town and then not voting disfo, and then complaining when I push him on his disfo read (which he never explains) is not scummy? | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:40 VisceraEyes wrote: No I can't point to a post where I said disfo was scum, I thought that was implied by my reluctance to vote him Bugs. Like....you're tunneled. Everything is just confirming your bias. I refuse to accept responsibility for this. On May 21 2019 11:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs you're doing a lot of narrative building to justify your reads. Like, I came to the exact opposite read of disfo's filter, it looks like he's FAR more guilty of the things you're accusing ruxxar of and you're making up some shit to justify calling him town and rux mafia. I feel like I was pretty explicit hard town on disfo at this point. Exact opposite of hard town = hard scum. I mean, these are your own words. I'm not twisting anything here, you just aren't making any sense. Then you actually double down on this: On May 21 2019 11:12 VisceraEyes wrote: I just find it strange that we have the exact opposite reads of ruxxar and disformation...my reasons are based on shit that's here in the thread and your shit is based on "OH HE'S CAPABLE OF THIS IF YOU SQUINT SEE HERE!!!" Fuck outta here. If it was based on stuff in the thread why don't you cite what things made you read disfo to the "exact opposite" as I did? Obligatory "I'm not dodging I swear": On May 21 2019 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not dodging shit Bugs calm your shit down. | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:45 Holyflare wrote: Because it's not scummy in the slightest, you set up so many false equivalencies and bs around the ruxxar lynch that it was distracting. Furthermore, why the fuck would VE vote for his TOWN read and look god damn awful when you've specified that you're going to lynch people that vote for him if he's town or some crap and he has scum reads on other people. It's so dumb to do unless you think he was doing to save a buddy. This was the vote before everyone switched. Calix/iGrok/BC essentially up for lynch. spoiler cause wall of text. + Show Spoiler + It only makes sense for VE to look fucking awful and not vote his scum read and instead vote his town read WITH YOU if he's defending his teammate calix/bc/igrok but you don't scum read ANY OF THEM AT ALL. So, no, it doesn't make sense with the narrative you're posting for mafia to go out of their way to look fucking awful voting their town read and to get pushed when they can just vote on their scum reads. It's really bad to push this imo. No I think it totally makes sense for VE to vote a townread with me as scum because I was the only person scumreading me and I do honestly 100% believe that VE thinks that if he strokes my ego I'll townread him. Like he buddied me for basically no reason whatsoever, it's the least resistance I've ever seen out of VE. He's always proud of being on wagons as town and that he'd be the first person to jump off the wagon without even asking me to vote iGrok is really really bad IMO. Anyway we disagree on VE. I think my points on VE stand on their own merits and I think you're giving VE too hard of a pass for bouncing his vote around when I don't remember the last time I played a game with town VE and 1. he didn't take a single hard stance on a scum whatsoever (look, he's doing the lack of hard stances today as well) 2. he never tried to improve town atmosphere even though I was being very reasonable with him, 3. he insta-town read two very prominent players in Koshi and Rayn, both of whom are top tier as scum, never provided any reasons nor doubts for them (and mysteriously interacts with them very differently compared to everyone else in the game) and 4. he seems to have a real hard time reading and following the thread and repeatedly makes posts incongruent with basic facts despite being around for 80% of the game as evidenced by the fact that he has the most posts by far. He also is a stickler for reading like me and I've routinely see him do rereads and on-point analysis in previous games like the one we just played! Go read that and how different he feels to here. In the last game he was enthusiastic and he writes stuff in caps that in general is always jokey and happy, and here he is just on edge allll the time, from the very beginning, in response to very reasonable posts by you, BC, and Jock. Okay, so you think I'm being unreasonably harsh on him and tunneled or whatever, that's fine. It's not like I'm basing this entirely on my own actions with him, the pattern extends to every townread I have; he has literally only poo-poo reactions and no constructive moments whatsoever. This is really bad because he seems to implicitly townread everyone, because he never says what his scum reads are. | ||
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this: No I think it totally makes sense for VE to vote a townread with me as scum because I was the only person scumreading me and I do honestly 100% believe that VE thinks that if he strokes my ego I'll townread him. Like he buddied me for basically no reason whatsoever, it's the least resistance I've ever seen out of VE. He's always proud of being on wagons as town and that he'd be the first person to jump off the wagon without even asking me to vote iGrok is really really bad IMO. should be: I was the only person scumreading him :D | ||
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Trust me, I'm not trying to frustrate you on purpose. I'm not scum here. I will agree with you 100% that I probably am tunneled. However, you and I both know that we have different methods and we disagree on them. I have moved in your direction since I watched your play unfold last game. I don't think I'm a complete moron; I very well could be given how many times I've been called that (rightly so) for lynching townies. In my defense, though, remember that I townread Pandain in light of rayn flipping town and calling Pandain mafia, and that I townread both BC and VE after fairly minimal interactions. It actually took me a lot longer for me to come to a very solid conclusion on both players this game and I credit that to mafia playing very very well in this game. Like really, I am in some sort of zen mode right now because I spent time reflecting on my chats with Foolishness a lot and channeled House Chezinu and now I feel like the game is just unfolding before my eyes. Anyway I'm going to sound like a complete moron if I end up being dead wrong and I accept complete responsibility for that if that's the case. I am super happy with the play of every player in this game because no matter who is scum and who is town, I think everyone played to their win conditions. And actually I think the major shitfests were scum-started so I don't even really feel bad about that now either. Also VE I totally still love you and I hope you will forgive me horribly for the sins I have caused if my read is wrong on you. I swear, if I am wrong on you I actually don't know how I will be able to apologize because there is just so much stuff that I cannot bring myself to ignore and I respect your play a lot. Like truly, a lot. You nailed Koshi last game, you shot him in the dick bro. Me calling you scum here and not a pants-on-head idiot town is honestly the highest compliment I can give you for turning the beautiful garden roses and twinkling fairies of a town from last game into the raging breakneck 200 mph one liner troll fest that this one was. | ||
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