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Who shall I call mafia next? Calix?
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Ruxxar played pretty well reading through Calix's filter.
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On May 24 2019 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:I honestly still cant realize what those things say in iGrok's shit how much ever i ctrl+f: + Show Spoiler +and this is not because my phone is bad...
I will damage my eyes once again for you rayn:
Koshi:
- spams up the thread
- vote calix, conv or iGrok
- #580 or 560 something the only meaningful post (560 is koshi read post so prob that)
- truly something rux lynch?
- VE is town
- fuck me my eyes - leaving thread until flips
- Apparently it makes somebody mafia if another person votes [cut off the rest]
- Artanis and BC are roughly equally scummy
- The thread is doubting iGrok for no reason
- #2962 This post is top notch (post about me scum reading ruxxar for scum reading me)
HF:
- Rayn is mafia
- rayn is ???, ??? be mafia
- HF says VE's aggro on me is misconstrued, still votes me but good logic.
- Reaptedly hammering on me calling rayn mafia, even though I'm not [cut off] because I've publicly stated(?) I won't be in the thread
- Calix is scummy (should be green if he thinks she's scummy?
- pivoted to ruxxar in retaliation
- jumped on jock when he was demotivated (not true)
- Please lynch VE or rayn (has VE red now)
- Starting to build a case against me (based on lack of (cut off - probably says current reads)
- #2456 hooooly shit (my list of people's reads related to igrok) - literally everyone thinks iGrok is scummy - If you don't think igrok be mafia (cut off)
- Tunneling so hard that anyone defending igrok must be mafia
- Keeps saying I will call him mafia - it's like if he's something it
- Harps on groks initial ruxx/disfo (gut?) read
- Starting to lean against Koshi (not really, just investigating)
VE:
- HF is overreacting
- Buuuuut it's ok to kill rayn <------ this is the point that was red all along but never mentioned
- rayn and wbg are unlynchable - [green] rany and wbg are unlynchable (cut off) <--- not sure what it says but looks unrelated to VE
- igrok be blue or maf(?)
- if rany and wbg are both town they will sit up the thread trying to (cut off) <--- not highlighted green like he said it should be earlier
- Koshi is obv-town
- Votes(???) Calix on the "something vote" <--- should be green if thinks calix mafia
- Leaning Artanis
- iGrok < BC
- Not willing to lynch Artanis(?)
- Now grok is something than Calix (why doesn't he make things calling him mafia red? who the fuck knows?)
- something voting Artanis of all the things to red this is extremely confusing wtf
- Defending hf (HOW IS THIS NOT RED TOO LOL?)
- Back to iGrok (OR THIS)
the rest is about conv and jock who are green and white, last list has no name but it's rayn and cut off and none of it is red and some green
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On May 24 2019 22:44 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 16:19 Jockmcplop wrote:
Bugs if ur still here I have a question about hf.
You said that in the last game you scumread hf in a similar way to how I did yesterday.
On reflection, would you say that hf delibreately put you in that position?
I mean if we're to read into this what he wants us to he infers he's using that to confirm townies. I don't exactly see how scum hf couldn't act in exactly the same way though.
If you’re not jock and you expect reads in this post, nope none here keep moving. However if you’re confused on my alignment and want more of my thoughts read on if you wish. + Show Spoiler +
So he was town last game and the answer to “did HF deliberately put me in a position where I would scumread him” is idk, but I kinda felt like regardless of my own alignment I would have called him out there. (If I were scum I’d probably have RB-hit him n1 though)
Like he did fake claim just to reaction fish which on its own I found weird, but then afterward he just kept looking worse, I disagreed with reads that I thought he should obviously nail, like still scumming Pandain for old, holdover reasons from d1 and HF was ignoring perfectly good info from Pandain that indicated he was town. Maybe he read too much into rayn dying after posting 3/4 townies as scum, idk. and there was a very rare confluence of events that I think might never happen again, like HF actually being a vet and then scumming me on the host question, me VE and BC all agreeing on him, etc. etc. etc.
In the absence of all that garbage my initial read on HF was town and here he is not playing super out of band to his d1 last game. I also know his situation now as far as posting quality/amount so that’s no longer alignment indicative.
HF this game should be judged on the basis of 1. his reads (note who he put in his bottom 4- (Not sure if I remember the most updated version though) if both iGrok and Calix are town the chances of HF being scum jump a lot, esp if he doesn’t use the rest of today to evaluate all his other reads, since he has more time today and iGrok is as good as dead at this point. None of VE/rayn/Koshi seem to be doing any actual pushing of Calix today either, so that’s something to be on the look for.
However at this moment there is not much to do IMO other than observe or ask questions if you have doubts because the lines in the sand have been drawn.
+ Show Spoiler +You are all grown up people and can make a decision on whether or not Calix and iGrok are mafia yourselves based on the facts put forward and their responses, nothing to do with my alignment if I am correct or wrong either, just push what you think is the most valid case in all of the game to make someone mafia and hope.
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I don't like how essentially silent Calix has been this entire day cycle only coming in to argue with rayn over and over again. Sure, she scum reads igrok but what else is really known?
Calix, provide a list of reads and a sentence on each please.
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On May 24 2019 23:02 Koshi wrote:
Pls pls pls pls if there is a God pls make iGrok town
At least he has that guy pushing for another wagon to save him by making cases on their scum reads!
Oh... wait....
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oh boy a rayn/koshi/igrok team??
that's a really bold claim
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who do you think mafia tried to shoot last night calix?
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On May 24 2019 23:23 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 23:13 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 24 2019 04:49 disformation wrote:bc
edited version of arts case: (i removed 3 and added stuff to 5) On May 22 2019 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:1. Shitty entrance: On May 20 2019 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:BC is on my radar. On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. A lot of posturing in here, as well as a strawman. HF fakeclaiming has nothing to do with claiming a wrong name for a role. The two situations are incomparable. Also, what is he actually accomplishing with this? He's making a general statement without bothering to follow up on who transgressed in the way he mentioned. "Anyone who liked HF for his claim comments should want to kill HF instead". What? And then anyone who liked him for things after is in the clear? When did we suddenly switch from talking about HF's alignment to the alignment of these unnamed players? Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. Speaking of thread sentiment, how about piling onto a post everyone's already piled up on? Seems like a good strategy. He's being wordy on a post people have already gone into detail about. Pretty easy. VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far. Says basically nothing. Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:
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So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?
That's really the line you're going with lol? Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...  I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too. Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn?? It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy. In this quote thread, BC comes out with the following reads on people listed: Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum And no read on me. If everyone's nullish, what could possibly be interesting on this streak that he wants to get reads on others off on? I don't get it. 2. Shitty followup as shown by RuX: On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote:On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 20 2019 23:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from. From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment? Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight. In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could. Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing. So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me. Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up. So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation. I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis. Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler +On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again rayn voted: D1 - mafia bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real. gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first. On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. 4. Scumreads almost exclusively on people scumreading him: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
All of these other than VE which he just pulled out of his ass for no reason are people who scumread or threw shade on him. 5. Speaking of VE, he mentioned he was going to filter him, then decides not to share anything about his scumread, just votes VE based off a fear read and fucks off talking about other people without pushing his preferred lynch at all. On May 21 2019 21:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 21 2019 21:01 Calix wrote:
I don't understand why VE is being considered over rayn. At least VE's actually playing the game.
A bunch of the points against VE seem to be meta-based, or based around 'well he'd usually do this but he's doing that instead' or something, and since I don't know VE, these points don't have much credibility with me tbh. TBH, its a vibe thing. I get completely why you think Rayn could flip red. I honestly can see it. I can also see the same world where VE is red atm as well. Of those 2 VE scares the shit out of me if hes scum. He is one of the few players who can live almost forever when hes not town. Pls kill. additions: 1. falling off as the game progresses 2. reads go unexplained On May 24 2019 04:32 disformation wrote:did bc explain his koshi stuff? does not really explain why koshi i scummy On May 22 2019 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also based on the last few pages alone
Koshi, Artanis, Ruxxar, Disinformation are all good targets for lynches, dt checks and vig bullets.
VE feels better after seeing everything since I came back. koshi town now: On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
no mention of koshi in between or after... 3. reads grok town for some very bleh posts: On May 24 2019 04:41 disformation wrote:bc's defense on grok is also pretty eh? On May 23 2019 20:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 23 2019 20:05 Calix wrote:On May 23 2019 20:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Once he returned to the thread (after the first his flight) He has been fairly active in the thread. At least by say, my standards.
Like, I am clearly able of being wrong given HF last game and ruxxar this game. But I just don't see Igrok as scum at this moment. His activity is similar to my own (so if that means im scum go for it) and he looks to be trying to figure out the game.
Not going to judge igrok for that sentiment though if we arent going to also damn every other player who has borderline rage quit the game for similar behaviour. I don't understand this post. Nobody is scum-reading you or iGrok based on activity yet most of this post talks about activity like it's AI. As for the only thing in this post that would actually be AI, can you point us to the 'figuring out the game' posts iGrok has, in your opinion, made? Do you even read the thread? VE literally just used the reason of "complained about thread and fucked off" As for posts On May 21 2019 16:31 iGrok wrote:
Man, I'm out of practice. I really want to feel like calix is mafia, but I can tell if its because she is making bad aggro on me and I'm overreacting.
It doesn't help that I have no idea how good/bad/experienced calix is. My initial key moments for her were:
Calix
HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good
-Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum
stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons
Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy
Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad
BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more?
Only positive thing I know about calix right now is that I like her playstyle. Periodic summaries - its what I typically tried to do as well.
But like I said, I'm self-aware enough to realize that I may just be reacting incorrectly. Thoughts? On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote:
alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday.
And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day.
Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there.
Some hidden thought counts for future use:
BC:1
WBG:2
HF:2
VE:4
Rux:1
Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it. On May 22 2019 01:02 iGrok wrote:
Frankly the HF turn on Jock feels scummy, like pushing an easy lynch. Honestly HF's filter looks like trash, with one or two exceptions On May 22 2019 04:36 iGrok wrote:
@VE I've been away for a while but my read on rayn fits perfectly with my memory of him. I thought you had caught onto it earlier, said as much too, but I guess not?
Rayn's early game felt completely like read-generation material. The bad VT claim, the aggression, the obvious fake claim (which almost everyone ignored, so... either good job to everyone for not buying it or horrible job for not even noticing it) - he did oversell it later, made it more obvious but like...
He called HF on some nonsense, decided he had found some mafia and stopped playing as someone said - but honestly that is such a rayn thing to do from my memory. On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote:
@Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.
"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.
I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat. like i think hf had some posts that the notes on calix werent very good and the "oh i have notes on ppl, for example someone should look at this post by ruxxar i forgot why i noted it down" post was bit strange as well. i mean im glad he mentioned it so i could dig it out, but i would have a better read on grok if he would have said if its supposed to be a scummy/towny post by ruxxar. rest of the grok quotes seem okay, but the first two posts by grok are not that inductive of a tr on him imo
verdict: high chance of scum detected OK Some of artanis' points on BC aren't very good imo. He talks about his shitty entrance which doesn't look bad to me... makes a quote thread in which there are no scumreads and points that out despite the fact that BC had made scumreads elsewhere by that point (this is quite damning of artanis imo --- unless I'm reading it wrong, that quote thread is a nightmare to sort out for some reason) Claims BC exclusively scumreads people who scumread him.... however BC's first scumread was calix who hadn't scumread him. He comes back to Calix later as you would expect considering early game he said one of Ruxxar/Calix was scum. This is a sensible read progression that is very townie looking. Additions: 1: In End of the World Party I don't remember him falling off as the game progressed but he posted quite sporadically and in a way that's a bit reminiscent of how he's posting here. Long gaps of no posts and then you don't know which BC you're going to get when he does turn up. Its not a full mafia tell though its just him behaving in a similar way in two games. I don't have much meta information on him. 2: He says Koshi is a good target for a lynch but never explains this or scumreads him. He later avoids answering a question about this saying "I never scumread him" but doesn't explain at any point why he's a good target for a lynch. That doesn't look good. 3: Reads iGrock as town. iGrock was looking fairly townie or null to me at that point too. He looks much, much worse since he came back and failed to answer hf's points properly. I don't know how this is particularly alignment indicative because quite a few people were null-town on iGrock at this point and it tracks with his other reads. All in all Im null on BC. Some townie stuff, some mafia looking stuff but the townie stuff is strong enough that I'm not going to go after him. note on addition 2: Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 05:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I am like 100% certain I never scumread Koshi. Which means you aren't reading my filter. So If you can find the posts (as I just filter dived myself and can't find them) I will concede to your points and not even fight a lynch if people say I'm scum Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 05:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:That doesn't state hes a scum read. I will fully give you it can look like that based on the other 3 names however. On May 23 2019 07:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 23 2019 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote:Honestly idgaf if I get policy lynched for trolling about being scum because I have steadily lost a lot of desire to play this game thanks mostly to Koshi. Like I stopped caring what his alignment is and it’s so frustrating that he’s still allowed to enter games and do this garbage. I’m going to quote VE here because it encapsulates my thoughts perfectly On July 09 2016 07:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
It doesn't matter I won't be back. I'm not requesting a ban for you this game and I don't knew why anyone but me would. Like you can say it's sad and I'm a drama queen all you want, but it's not just about this game. It's every game you are in. You are a poison element in this community. IF you give a shit at all about this community, stop being a dick every game. You are killing TLMafia. The maybe 2? Games I played with Koshi back then were a huge factor in me taking a large hiatus from TL Mafia. It actually made me reflect a lot on the times I myself have been toxic, and I really really hope I’ve never been perceived anywhere near as toxic as Koshi is this game, to the multitude of players he’s been toxic to. Like I get it, not getting the lynch you want is frustrating. But this is on another level. If I ever play here again I’m going to ensure he’s not in the playerlist, and if I ever host again I’m banning him. I don’t actually care if that means I never play here again despite how much I actually like playing with the rest of you, even rayn. This general sentiment (not just in regards to koshi but a style he and many more do) led to my hiatus for so long. Honestly the only "troll" player I truly enjoy reading is Chezinu because well, its chez. His posts were always so carefully crafted. Ill let you decide if this was a good enough reason, if not go to town on me man. Said I wouldn't fight it. Given I did have him as null or town everywhere else after that post you quoted.
I mean artanis never says he is a scum read, he specifically says "he says koshi is a good lynch" but never scum reads koshi
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On May 24 2019 23:27 Calix wrote:
Who cares who mafia shot N1? Won't they just hit the same guy N2?
I want your opinion on who they shot if you think mafia is rayn/igrok/koshi. Please give it.
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On May 24 2019 23:30 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 23:24 Holyflare wrote:On May 24 2019 23:23 disformation wrote:On May 24 2019 23:13 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 24 2019 04:49 disformation wrote:bc
edited version of arts case: (i removed 3 and added stuff to 5) On May 22 2019 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:1. Shitty entrance: On May 20 2019 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:BC is on my radar. On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. A lot of posturing in here, as well as a strawman. HF fakeclaiming has nothing to do with claiming a wrong name for a role. The two situations are incomparable. Also, what is he actually accomplishing with this? He's making a general statement without bothering to follow up on who transgressed in the way he mentioned. "Anyone who liked HF for his claim comments should want to kill HF instead". What? And then anyone who liked him for things after is in the clear? When did we suddenly switch from talking about HF's alignment to the alignment of these unnamed players? Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. Speaking of thread sentiment, how about piling onto a post everyone's already piled up on? Seems like a good strategy. He's being wordy on a post people have already gone into detail about. Pretty easy. VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far. Says basically nothing. Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too. Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn?? It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy. In this quote thread, BC comes out with the following reads on people listed: Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum And no read on me. If everyone's nullish, what could possibly be interesting on this streak that he wants to get reads on others off on? I don't get it. 2. Shitty followup as shown by RuX: On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote:On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 20 2019 23:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from. From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment? Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight. In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could. Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing. So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me. Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up. So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation. I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis. Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler +On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again rayn voted: D1 - mafia bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real. gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first. On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. 4. Scumreads almost exclusively on people scumreading him: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
All of these other than VE which he just pulled out of his ass for no reason are people who scumread or threw shade on him. 5. Speaking of VE, he mentioned he was going to filter him, then decides not to share anything about his scumread, just votes VE based off a fear read and fucks off talking about other people without pushing his preferred lynch at all. On May 21 2019 21:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 21 2019 21:01 Calix wrote:
I don't understand why VE is being considered over rayn. At least VE's actually playing the game.
A bunch of the points against VE seem to be meta-based, or based around 'well he'd usually do this but he's doing that instead' or something, and since I don't know VE, these points don't have much credibility with me tbh. TBH, its a vibe thing. I get completely why you think Rayn could flip red. I honestly can see it. I can also see the same world where VE is red atm as well. Of those 2 VE scares the shit out of me if hes scum. He is one of the few players who can live almost forever when hes not town. Pls kill. additions: 1. falling off as the game progresses 2. reads go unexplained On May 24 2019 04:32 disformation wrote:did bc explain his koshi stuff? does not really explain why koshi i scummy On May 22 2019 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also based on the last few pages alone
Koshi, Artanis, Ruxxar, Disinformation are all good targets for lynches, dt checks and vig bullets.
VE feels better after seeing everything since I came back. koshi town now: On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
no mention of koshi in between or after... 3. reads grok town for some very bleh posts: On May 24 2019 04:41 disformation wrote:bc's defense on grok is also pretty eh? On May 23 2019 20:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 23 2019 20:05 Calix wrote:On May 23 2019 20:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Once he returned to the thread (after the first his flight) He has been fairly active in the thread. At least by say, my standards.
Like, I am clearly able of being wrong given HF last game and ruxxar this game. But I just don't see Igrok as scum at this moment. His activity is similar to my own (so if that means im scum go for it) and he looks to be trying to figure out the game.
Not going to judge igrok for that sentiment though if we arent going to also damn every other player who has borderline rage quit the game for similar behaviour. I don't understand this post. Nobody is scum-reading you or iGrok based on activity yet most of this post talks about activity like it's AI. As for the only thing in this post that would actually be AI, can you point us to the 'figuring out the game' posts iGrok has, in your opinion, made? Do you even read the thread? VE literally just used the reason of "complained about thread and fucked off" As for posts On May 21 2019 16:31 iGrok wrote:
Man, I'm out of practice. I really want to feel like calix is mafia, but I can tell if its because she is making bad aggro on me and I'm overreacting.
It doesn't help that I have no idea how good/bad/experienced calix is. My initial key moments for her were:
Calix
HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good
-Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum
stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons
Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy
Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad
BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more?
Only positive thing I know about calix right now is that I like her playstyle. Periodic summaries - its what I typically tried to do as well.
But like I said, I'm self-aware enough to realize that I may just be reacting incorrectly. Thoughts? On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote:
alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday.
And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day.
Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there.
Some hidden thought counts for future use:
BC:1
WBG:2
HF:2
VE:4
Rux:1
Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it. On May 22 2019 01:02 iGrok wrote:
Frankly the HF turn on Jock feels scummy, like pushing an easy lynch. Honestly HF's filter looks like trash, with one or two exceptions On May 22 2019 04:36 iGrok wrote:
@VE I've been away for a while but my read on rayn fits perfectly with my memory of him. I thought you had caught onto it earlier, said as much too, but I guess not?
Rayn's early game felt completely like read-generation material. The bad VT claim, the aggression, the obvious fake claim (which almost everyone ignored, so... either good job to everyone for not buying it or horrible job for not even noticing it) - he did oversell it later, made it more obvious but like...
He called HF on some nonsense, decided he had found some mafia and stopped playing as someone said - but honestly that is such a rayn thing to do from my memory. On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote:
@Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.
"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.
I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat. like i think hf had some posts that the notes on calix werent very good and the "oh i have notes on ppl, for example someone should look at this post by ruxxar i forgot why i noted it down" post was bit strange as well. i mean im glad he mentioned it so i could dig it out, but i would have a better read on grok if he would have said if its supposed to be a scummy/towny post by ruxxar. rest of the grok quotes seem okay, but the first two posts by grok are not that inductive of a tr on him imo
verdict: high chance of scum detected OK Some of artanis' points on BC aren't very good imo. He talks about his shitty entrance which doesn't look bad to me... makes a quote thread in which there are no scumreads and points that out despite the fact that BC had made scumreads elsewhere by that point (this is quite damning of artanis imo --- unless I'm reading it wrong, that quote thread is a nightmare to sort out for some reason) Claims BC exclusively scumreads people who scumread him.... however BC's first scumread was calix who hadn't scumread him. He comes back to Calix later as you would expect considering early game he said one of Ruxxar/Calix was scum. This is a sensible read progression that is very townie looking. Additions: 1: In End of the World Party I don't remember him falling off as the game progressed but he posted quite sporadically and in a way that's a bit reminiscent of how he's posting here. Long gaps of no posts and then you don't know which BC you're going to get when he does turn up. Its not a full mafia tell though its just him behaving in a similar way in two games. I don't have much meta information on him. 2: He says Koshi is a good target for a lynch but never explains this or scumreads him. He later avoids answering a question about this saying "I never scumread him" but doesn't explain at any point why he's a good target for a lynch. That doesn't look good. 3: Reads iGrock as town. iGrock was looking fairly townie or null to me at that point too. He looks much, much worse since he came back and failed to answer hf's points properly. I don't know how this is particularly alignment indicative because quite a few people were null-town on iGrock at this point and it tracks with his other reads. All in all Im null on BC. Some townie stuff, some mafia looking stuff but the townie stuff is strong enough that I'm not going to go after him. note on addition 2: On May 24 2019 05:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I am like 100% certain I never scumread Koshi. Which means you aren't reading my filter. So If you can find the posts (as I just filter dived myself and can't find them) I will concede to your points and not even fight a lynch if people say I'm scum On May 24 2019 05:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:That doesn't state hes a scum read. I will fully give you it can look like that based on the other 3 names however. On May 23 2019 07:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 23 2019 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote:Honestly idgaf if I get policy lynched for trolling about being scum because I have steadily lost a lot of desire to play this game thanks mostly to Koshi. Like I stopped caring what his alignment is and it’s so frustrating that he’s still allowed to enter games and do this garbage. I’m going to quote VE here because it encapsulates my thoughts perfectly On July 09 2016 07:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
It doesn't matter I won't be back. I'm not requesting a ban for you this game and I don't knew why anyone but me would. Like you can say it's sad and I'm a drama queen all you want, but it's not just about this game. It's every game you are in. You are a poison element in this community. IF you give a shit at all about this community, stop being a dick every game. You are killing TLMafia. The maybe 2? Games I played with Koshi back then were a huge factor in me taking a large hiatus from TL Mafia. It actually made me reflect a lot on the times I myself have been toxic, and I really really hope I’ve never been perceived anywhere near as toxic as Koshi is this game, to the multitude of players he’s been toxic to. Like I get it, not getting the lynch you want is frustrating. But this is on another level. If I ever play here again I’m going to ensure he’s not in the playerlist, and if I ever host again I’m banning him. I don’t actually care if that means I never play here again despite how much I actually like playing with the rest of you, even rayn. This general sentiment (not just in regards to koshi but a style he and many more do) led to my hiatus for so long. Honestly the only "troll" player I truly enjoy reading is Chezinu because well, its chez. His posts were always so carefully crafted. Ill let you decide if this was a good enough reason, if not go to town on me man. Said I wouldn't fight it. Given I did have him as null or town everywhere else after that post you quoted. I mean artanis never says he is a scum read, he specifically says "he says koshi is a good lynch" but never scum reads koshi art? you prolly mean bc yeah dunno. i can see koshi making the list for being a bit of an ass, but not sure why you would suggest to cop check him then for example. Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 23:24 Jockmcplop wrote:
Oh thanks disfo I missed that.
What do you think? I don't think there's enough there to scumread BC compared to some other people here. yeah, esp given the way he responded yesterday (and partly since art is looking not good either) i am not sure on bc. hence why im not voting him atm. would feel better if he actually did some reads yesterday as pointed out here: Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 18:15 disformation wrote:On May 24 2019 17:08 Jockmcplop wrote:Can we talk about Artanis??? I mentioned this yesterday but can someone tell me how this case on Bugs is worth a lynch at all???? I mean did Artanis think this was strong enough to lynch Bugs off the back of it? I dunno its the biggest read/explanation post he's made so far in the whole game and it just doesn't work logically. Bugs is mafia because he is defensive and closed minded? Please. They aren't even mafia traits are they? I can kinda see where he's coming from when he says that bugs isn't giving solid reads (not in this post) but this case is just LAME. Similarly the BC case just looks like waffle to me. Can't he do something better than this just to stop us from lynching him? On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts: On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well. The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them. On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game. The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best. As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied: On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false. Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia." Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC: On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Makes an incorrect statement. On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me insteadLastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement. On May 23 2019 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 23 2019 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE. I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him. I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG. Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you. If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it. "Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed. Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines. ##Vote wherebugsgo yeah art kinda waffling of bc is super strange to me. like if art is scum and bc is town its like a free pass to continue to tunnel and complain that nooene listened to his case? like how he scummed calix and ve for liking his case and not voting bc? if both are scum it makes some sense to waffle off the case before it gains traction again? but then it makes no sense that bc just stays on art when the threat sentiment is on art? though maybe art fucked up the nightactions and bc is mad at him? the fuck do i know would like bc more if he would have posted some more reads/conclusions yesterday... like i know its maybe rich coming from me, but _some_ sort of conclusion to either: On May 24 2019 08:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also for anyone who hasn't and plans to filter dive rayn, its long and painful. Especially when comparing it to other games -_- On May 24 2019 08:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 24 2019 08:02 Holyflare wrote:
Oh, I'm beginning to think he's mafia just based purely on voting and berating.
Bet he'll end up being medic or something though and use it to case me :D His early game posts were fairly townie but he's being a right shitter recently. All his list posts are wildly inconsistent with what he should be thinking because none of them make sense together, he scum reads people in a list but then uses them as town reads forgetting they're in the list (iGrok) etc.
Pretty sure he facilitated the switch onto ruxxar by not voting for the highest wagon on d1 who he even thought was mafia too. Now he keeps throwing my name in as mafia despite not really thinking I'm mafia. Getting bit opportune, probably because he's running out of names to call mafia.
It's a pretty night and day difference to go from struggling to post last game to 21 pages of spam this game though. So, conclusion is, want him to stop being a shitter and actually play without all the obfuscation that he's been doing and post honest thoughts and work with townies. Thats fair, I appreciate the input. would have been grand
No, Artanis's case says
"BC says he wants to lynch Koshi but he never scum reads Koshi!"
BC rebuts the case by saying: "AHA, I never scum read Koshi, prove that I did!" but that isn't the point Artanis made at all.
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On May 24 2019 22:07 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
iGrok (6): Holyflare, Calix, VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, Wherebugsgo, Artanis[Xp], Disformation, Jockmcplop
Artanis[Xp] (3): Jockmcplop, Koshi, VisceraEyes, BloodyC0bbler, Conversion
Calix (2): VisceraEyes, Koshi, Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes
Holyflare(1): iGrok
Wherebugsgo(0): Artanis[Xp]
Not voting(0):
iGrok is currently set to be lynched with 6 votes.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Sunday, May 26 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
BC, Conversion, Rayn, VE, Koshi and iGrok not voting for iGrok
BC reasons: + Show Spoiler +On May 24 2019 05:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
If not Art? At this moment im not 100%. I have a strong read on Calix but I'm easily able to admit that could because I extremely dislike her and my interaction before I went to bed. Waiting on me to simmer a bit on it and re read to come at it at a clear head. However atm it would be her.
As for Igrok. I liked them because they show he is actively scum hunting and making notes. He calls people out for things he notices. Sure that can be faked. But it doesn't strike me as "HI IM MAFIA" and instead comes of more like "HI IM TOWN"
Also he was willing to reevaluate a read over just auto locking a lynch due to new light. He may have re settled his read but actively being willing to update via new information is a good thing.
Conversion reasons: Largely afk + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2019 23:09 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 22:57 iGrok wrote:
Guys, you've generated 20 more pages in 6 hours. Haven't read any of it, but holy shit. Please cut back on the spam, or I'm not going to be able to keep up. The whole point of this game was for it to be a slower pace. this is such a bad post dude lol just pick someone u think is scummy and read that person. who cares about the page number On May 22 2019 10:25 Conversion wrote:
ugh forgot all of EU is probably asleep.. thanks for being here.
just read your post iGrok let me read through HF and Calix now.
rayn: Not read anything iGrok wrote??
+ Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 22:29 iGrok wrote:
I think rayne got fucked by host, but I'm not going to not take advantage of it.
##vote: Raynpelikoneet retarded or mafia Calls igrok's vote retarded or mafia On May 20 2019 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 07:25 Holyflare wrote:
It's pointless arguing with you. I'm just going to put you into an ignore pile and see what happens after your claim. iGrok is the best lynch today imo.
When he returned to the thread there were the following 2-3 points against rayn:
1) Rayn's opening post
2) Rayn's lack of doing anything afterwards and no passion mean rayn is mafia
3) Rayn hasn't tried to solve the game
At this point Jock/HF/Bugs (and calix?? need to double check) are voting for Rayn for reasons that aren't 1) because 1) was a fake case and literally just pressure. iGrok comes and votes Rayn for 1).
##vote iGrok scummy post. Doesn't like it when I make a case on the exact thing rayn called igrok retarded or mafia for On May 20 2019 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 08:44 Holyflare wrote:On May 20 2019 08:42 Conversion wrote:On May 20 2019 08:39 Holyflare wrote:On May 20 2019 08:34 Conversion wrote:On May 20 2019 06:58 Holyflare wrote:
If I had to rate people based on being robotic I'd probably have a list of:
Calix
iGrok
Bugs
Then there's just like:
Koshi
Conversion
Disfo(???? maybe not ????)
probably a good list for day 1 to look at tbh koshi literally has no posts and lazily plays all the time why is he on the list You had 2 posts. Don't even think disfo had posted. What's your point? It's poe. I don't want to have to have bugs 2.0 like last game over a poe list again what's so hard to understand lol? what’s a bugs2.0? im asking U because im curious if u had a deeper reason besides lol 0-2 posts. if that’s it then i overestimated ur reasons for the list what’s so hard to understand lol? The top 3 had reasons. Bottom 3 just shitters :D Calix seems manipulative and blendy/sheepy. Bugs similarly at that point had only really sheeped and complained about being scum read. Since then my opinion on him has changed for the better ever so slightly. IGrok as stated in vote post, bad reason to vote rayn. HEY THOSE ARE MY SCUMREADS! AND I DIDNT SAY SHIT S O GO FIGURE OUT YOUR OWN READS FFS! Fucking hypocrites all of you. Is actually part of Rayn's scum reads????
Was going through all mentions of iGrok and it got really fucking boring. Essentially he flipped his read on iGrok around for the deadline shenanigans and that he didn't vote ruxxar (who scum read his biggest scum read so would have looked really bad). Looks like rayn really is just not reading or thinking about igrok and his decisions as if he could be mafia at all. ++ points for at least looking into the timeline thing I was talking about, or trying to squint at it.
VE reasons:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2019 02:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
iGrok, Calix, Artanis
That's where I'm landing. I'm not available for questions. If I have to I'll try and stay alive, but I'm basically following the thread and voting what I think.
GG Boys. On May 23 2019 19:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 19:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I know this will likely damn me but whatever.
I am looking into Igroks filter. Opening a post and reading the thread around it for context and I just dont see it. He is actively trying to figure the thread out IMO and his reads do appear to change based on how the thread progresses. Again, he can easily be fooling me but I just don't see how he priority in lynching at this moment in time.
As such
##vote artanis He literally came back and complained about the thread size and fucked off. Whatever I like your vote just ugh, igrok can easily be mafia. On May 23 2019 19:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
And it's not even original, he did it before too, I memed at him. On May 24 2019 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Damnit rayn.
##Unvote
##Vote: iGrok
Tell the the game so I can go look at it. On May 24 2019 19:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Totally satisfied with iGrok/Artanis day. Aynone not voting for one of these people SUCKS lol jk but really vote one of those two people plz. On May 24 2019 19:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'd move my vote to make it a ballgame HF but my vote doesn't really count as pressure, at least not this game. It's more like...a breeze. My vote has been breezing all over the place. On May 24 2019 21:11 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1.
Factor in iGrok was already under heavy scrutiny for "not doing anything all D1", could mafia iGrok have been like "Surely they'll accept this as an acceptable amount of contribution regardless of its veracity!" On May 24 2019 21:29 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 21:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 24 2019 21:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1.
Factor in iGrok was already under heavy scrutiny for "not doing anything all D1", could mafia iGrok have been like "Surely they'll accept this as an acceptable amount of contribution regardless of its veracity!" maybe, i just dont think THAT is what mafia!iGrok comes up with. You seem pretty sure about it, is there a reason why not THAT specifically? I mean if it's wrong its not like he put a crapload of thought or effort in right? On May 24 2019 21:41 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 24 2019 21:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 24 2019 21:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 24 2019 21:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1.
Factor in iGrok was already under heavy scrutiny for "not doing anything all D1", could mafia iGrok have been like "Surely they'll accept this as an acceptable amount of contribution regardless of its veracity!" maybe, i just dont think THAT is what mafia!iGrok comes up with. You seem pretty sure about it, is there a reason why not THAT specifically? I mean if it's wrong its not like he put a crapload of thought or effort in right? Can you answer me what's the point of doing that unless Calix is mafia? My opinion is there is no point because with the amount of irl-stuff he has why put so much effort into voting between two townies (HF being mafia with him makes even less sense)? I mean I'm down to Calix mafia at this point anyway so like...no, I can't answer you that and I don't care to because that's about where I'm at. Maybe trying to both pseudo-contribute plus remove shade from Calix. But whatever I get it, you think it's a bit much for mafia iGrok. I would argue that it's a bit much for towniGrok too, so it's NAI, but it's whatever. Sorry if you already said this, but you're townie on Conversion right?
KoshI: Help plz
+ Show Spoiler +On May 20 2019 17:31 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 17:29 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 20 2019 17:24 Koshi wrote:On May 20 2019 17:23 Jockmcplop wrote:
Koshi what do you think of disinformation??
Look at his filter please!
Its small, only a few posts, but its hella scummy, right? I havent seen any posts yet. Also. Everything I post is liquid gold and you should be honoured to be able to witness a brilliant mind at work. Here's the thing. I wrote disinformation but meant conversion. I have no idea why I would get those two mixed up. Koshi what do you think of conversion?? Look at his filter please! Its small, only a few posts, but its hella scummy, right? He voted HF in a silly jokingly way. In a world both bugs and hf are town mafia could be Calix/Conversion and maybe iGrok for example. I am now at the part VE makes a case on him but I dont understand the case fully (why it makes him mafia). It's somewhat odd at best but I can see townie do it. iGrok I dont understand the case about. On May 20 2019 20:04 Koshi wrote:
Calix is so mafia but it is fine.
I cba to find the rest of mafia.
I am sure you will vote the townie out of conversion and igrok.
Maybe both are town and the retard police is actually mafia. On May 21 2019 03:57 Koshi wrote:
I guess this lynch will fall on iGrok. On May 21 2019 06:36 Koshi wrote:
Maybe kill spot 10 to 13. And iGrok. On May 21 2019 17:29 Koshi wrote:
Artanis is not kill worthy due to first 2 pages of filter. After that he fell off. But still wont kill him today.
iGrok idk. Guess we can give him 1 more cycle. But 50/50 to me. Dnu how he read me if people like wbg and jock cant.
On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote:
Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good. On May 22 2019 05:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 05:22 Holyflare wrote:
I don't care if bc gets lynched but please look at this igrok post he just made and come to a conclusion on it. He seems to believe i followed sentiment on calling rayn mafia (lol) He made a case on mafia so its fine. No1 cares if there are minor flaws in it. On May 22 2019 05:54 Koshi wrote:
1. BloodyC0bbler maybe mafia.
2. Wheredobugsgoanyway? Not mafia
4. HolyFlare mafia
5. VisceraEyes Not mafia
6. Conversion Not mafia
7. Jockmcplop Not mafia
8. iGrok w.e no lynch d1
9. Raynpelikoneet Not mafia
10. ruXxar Not mafia
11. disformation Maybe mafia
12. Arty Mctanis w.e no lynch d1
13. Calix mafia On May 22 2019 05:57 Koshi wrote:
1. BloodyC0bble
4. HolyFlare
8. iGrok
11. disformation
12. Arty Mctanis
13. Calix
My 6 candidates after D1. Bit afraid for Ruxxar maybe? I hesitated the most there.
And rayn I don't consider till d3. On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote:
iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro. On May 22 2019 07:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 07:01 iGrok wrote:On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote:
iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro. Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa Both mafia lol On May 22 2019 07:06 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 07:05 Calix wrote:
Hey Koshi, you'd literally be more helpful if you shut the fuck up and vote for BC instead. Since I'm probably not getting lynched at this point. And you'd actually be voting for mafia then. Ohh now he is mafia. When momentum swings to iGrok and you will do everyrhing for it to stay there. Oki On May 22 2019 07:06 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 07:06 Conversion wrote:
I have no time to catch up atm— preparing for an interview tomorrow and flying out Thursday for another one. did no one like my Koshi case? I’ll revisit both Koshi and disfo if I can.
who are leading wagons, and who should I case and who should I have an opinion on? Dont vote igrok he is town. On May 22 2019 07:13 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 05:57 Koshi wrote:
1. BloodyC0bble
4. HolyFlare
8. iGrok
11. disformation
12. Arty Mctanis
13. Calix
My 6 candidates after D1. Bit afraid for Ruxxar maybe? I hesitated the most there.
And rayn I don't consider till d3. Oh wait. iGrok is on the list? Weird. Than I will just wait on flip. Dont think he can be mafia knowing my 5 other mafia reads are voting him bit w.e. On May 22 2019 07:15 Koshi wrote:
Imagine it is rayn/iGrok/Ruxxar
Laelaelaelael On May 22 2019 15:55 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 09:50 iGrok wrote:
Still not sure between you and HF, but one of you is scum. Alternatively, HF made a +2 level play and you both are, but that’s... unlikely. Josh I, Convo, disinformation, and rayn are pretty green. I think disinfo is just going with ruxxar to get something done, and the other three votes on him are mixed signals at best. And while I did initially have ruxxar as red, he did make a good post that put him back to null for me. So I’m ok with ruxxar but I’d still rather have a better target if I can.
Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it Tip top town. On May 22 2019 15:56 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 10:21 iGrok wrote:
Seriously, I think the logic there is pretty straightforward, but to reiterate:
Calix and Ruxx are not both mafia, because mafia would not bus a teammate when the votes are close like this.
Ruxx and HF aren't both mafia because Ruxxar called HF on some shit that most other people didn't, it was a weird attack when HF was not seeing any real pressure.
Calix and HF aren't both mafia because HF looked like he was trying to set up a wagon on Calix earlier.
so what this means is:
If you think that any one of HF, Calix, or Ruxx are mafia, it has to be HF
Bad boi bad boi. On May 22 2019 16:01 Koshi wrote:
Calix
BC
And then 4 others.
If we lynch BC I can make a better judgement who is left in pool.
But BC has a 75% chance tops. On May 22 2019 21:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 05:57 Koshi wrote:
1. BloodyC0bble
4. HolyFlare
8. iGrok
11. disformation
12. Arty Mctanis
13. Calix On May 23 2019 19:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 19:20 Koshi wrote:
My mafia team is still
Calix
BC
Artanis
BUT
I am now willing to vote somebody else than Calix. And I still think HF is mafia. For real. I really dont think iGrok is mafia and maybe mafia is setting up the TvT with Calix/iGrok. iGrok is just not looking evil. Maybe helpless? Even though he provides his ideas. Dnu. I feel the thread has put more doubt in iGrok than he deserves for sure. On May 23 2019 19:28 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 19:23 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 23 2019 19:20 Koshi wrote:
My mafia team is still
Calix
BC
Artanis
BUT
I am now willing to vote somebody else than Calix. You know, the main reason you townread iGrok was that he was maf reading Bugs like you. Now that you're not maf reading Bugs, does your townread of iGrok remain? If so, why? No I neveraf read bugs. Also not why I townread iGrok at all. I townread him because I feel that the pressure on him is dirty. On May 23 2019 19:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 19:28 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 23 2019 19:26 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2019 19:20 Koshi wrote:
My mafia team is still
Calix
BC
Artanis
BUT
I am now willing to vote somebody else than Calix. And I still think HF is mafia. For real. I really dont think iGrok is mafia and maybe mafia is setting up the TvT with Calix/iGrok. iGrok is just not looking evil. Maybe helpless? Even though he provides his ideas. Dnu. I feel the thread has put more doubt in iGrok than he deserves for sure. That's incredibly close to my set of scumreads at the moment. Not sure about Calix. Also not sure about iGrock. I may be willing to switch to iGrock if we can lynch hf/artanis if he flips town. Yes. iGrok is a lynch made after more information. Like ruxxar should have been. On May 23 2019 19:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 19:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
koshi aiming at 2-2-2-2-2 again.
Maybe I'm wrong on Koshi. Meh. You say weird things. You jump off Calix and I need to stay on her? Dnu bro. Lynch on Calix might be dirty because iGrok is not mafia. On May 24 2019 15:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 05:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
If not Art? At this moment im not 100%. I have a strong read on Calix but I'm easily able to admit that could because I extremely dislike her and my interaction before I went to bed. Waiting on me to simmer a bit on it and re read to come at it at a clear head. However atm it would be her.
As for Igrok. I liked them because they show he is actively scum hunting and making notes. He calls people out for things he notices. Sure that can be faked. But it doesn't strike me as "HI IM MAFIA" and instead comes of more like "HI IM TOWN"
Also he was willing to reevaluate a read over just auto locking a lynch due to new light. He may have re settled his read but actively being willing to update via new information is a good thing.
BC is becoming more townie. On May 24 2019 19:57 Koshi wrote:
Oh well. RIP iGrok.
I think you got lynched by mafia regardless of your alignment. On May 24 2019 19:57 Koshi wrote:
Is iGrok on or of my 5 people list? I forgot again. On May 24 2019 19:59 Koshi wrote:
Apparantly not.
Well the 20% HF is not mafia iGrok is likely mafia.
Calix
HF
Artanis still.
BC is joker now. On May 24 2019 20:06 Koshi wrote:
Calix still so mafia though.
Calix
Hf
Artanis
And we lynch igrok of all people. On May 24 2019 20:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 20:43 Holyflare wrote:On May 24 2019 20:39 Koshi wrote:On May 24 2019 20:36 Holyflare wrote:
I appreciate your candour, thank you for replying with your well articulated and thought out response. Let's not kid ourselves. Mafia vzry easily could be Artanis iGrok Calix and we are just being dumbasses waiting and spamming 3 cycles till we win but if those 3 are not all mafia town needs to be prepared. I mean, I'd sure like you to at least comment on iGrok and take a stance. If you think he could be town and I'm looking in the wrong direction or something then be my guest and explain that. It's not particularly helpful having a yappy dog just undermining your stances in the thread every so often. You're also making Jock paranoid and looking in the wrong places and wasting his precious time focusing on me when he could be learning how to find and case mafia! (which tbh he is doing on Artanis so not all that bad really!). I am a lot more sure on iGrok after he essentially rebutted my case by saying I was town than I am on Artanis and Calix. This game is going into the right direction unledd iGrok flips town because then you are mafia. (80%) So everything is fine as it is. On May 24 2019 21:56 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 21:54 Calix wrote:On May 24 2019 21:52 Koshi wrote:
Artanis and Calix are full mafia and we lynch obv town iGrok.
Ah well. Weren't you the guy who forgot you had iGrok in your 'list' at one point? lol How is he 'obvtown' now? I'm not accepting answers that don't relate to what iGrok himself has said. I dont believe mafia is bussing iGrok like this.
This guy flip flops on his reads more than anyone in the game. First igrok is mafia, then he's in a list of 6 mafia, then he's town but oh wait he's in a list as mafia again. Looks like he just spite says igrok is mafia to push calix or agenda saying he's town because people he scum reads are on igrok. Nothing is related to igrok's posts (apart from when igrok calls calix and hf mafia) but even then koshi doesn't care about the content being wrong, just the targets. He flips on igrok again at some point requoting his list and calling everyone on it mafia again and then flips back to igrok being town because the wagon on him feels dirty. Nothing is play related at all, just associative at every stage. Pretty bad looking but not out of the realm of town koshi sooooooooooo hedge :D
Honestly, they all look pretty bad. The caveat is that I don't think Conversion would be mafia with igrok arguing about logic together like that. VE is super non-committal to igrok, BC defends igrok in a really bad way, Koshi I could actually see be town but it's weird igrok town reads him when he scum reads me for changing my reads. Rayn is... absent and needs to start taking stances.
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On May 24 2019 23:37 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 21:24 Calix wrote:On May 24 2019 21:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
good chat. ends here. You'll see that quote again later. It's scummy for the same reason iGrok's response to HF is scummy. He doesn't think HF is mafia and you don't think I'm mafia either. Catching up in the morning, just want to clarify that I do VERY MUCH think HF is mafia, and its weird to me that people think I don't.
Post your read diagram in full please.
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On May 24 2019 23:45 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 23:25 Calix wrote:On May 24 2019 23:19 Jockmcplop wrote:
Calix make me believe that Koshi is mafia.
Please Lemme put it this way. He lacks any real conviction in his reads. This is like.... The one thing Koshi has done. Consistently called you and HF scum.
Not true, he flip flops over it repeatedly. You can just ctrl + f each of our names in his filter and like clockwork it's hf could be town, nah mafia, oh wait town, nah ok mafia and the same with calix. At some point he even said you and her could both be town.
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VE why have you not commented on igrok case and why do you not vote on it? Why is your vote "like a breeze"?
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f5 f5 f5
has igrok posted yet?
oh... cya in 12 hours for his next post I guess 
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On May 24 2019 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote:sorry, "scumread" me VE I nailed on you on a lie about scumreading me and #2495 is probably the single scummiest post anyone has made in this entire game.
Can you explain it like I'm 5. Why is this post the scummiest in the game?
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On May 24 2019 23:59 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 23:58 Holyflare wrote:On May 24 2019 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote:sorry, "scumread" me VE I nailed on you on a lie about scumreading me and #2495 is probably the single scummiest post anyone has made in this entire game. Can you explain it like I'm 5. Why is this post the scummiest in the game? look at VE's in-thread stated scum reads (or try to remember them off the top of your head) and then look at his day 1 votes. Then also look at where his day 1 vote ended. Then come back and explain it to me yourself.
Hard pass.
Why does this not apply to calix and igrok?
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I think this igrok lynch is at a critical mass to implode before deadline into chaos. Shame really.
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