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On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum.. Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension.
VE is scum, Jock is just Jock.
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And now I will get blackballed by the three of them whenever I speak in the thread because they cannot actually lynch me but they can drown me out.
Like HF said yesterday, give me my VE lynch tomorrow. You all can lynch me if I am wrong on VE. I guarantee you 100% I am not wrong on VE.
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On May 25 2019 04:11 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:06 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 25 2019 04:00 iGrok wrote:On May 25 2019 03:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
iGrok if you are town you need to do a better job of explaining yourself. You’re still getting lynched at this rate because I can’t even read your blurry images so to me it seems like you don’t want people to read what you’ve written, if indeed you have spent some effort on the game. I can’t see a town motivation for that so if you can’t even do the common courtesy of copy pasting that into the thread then there is 0 chance of anyone moving their vote on you.
Copy/pasting breaks all the formatting and leaves it illegible. I tried that originally, didn't work. Sorry. If you click on the image, it'll take you to the imgur site where you can see it full size. You may need to click it on their site to fully zoom in, but I promise its completely legible. Sorry but I'm just not going to format something twice. On May 25 2019 03:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
We are lynching iGrok today, and you know that if he flips town, I will never lynch HF.
This doesn't make any sense. Good. It only makes sense to mafia who have TMI.Every townie in the game barring you if you are actually town should have agreed with the case on you. VE rayn and Koshi have had all the “correct” reads and literally 0 reasons. It basically feels like they are all channeling Grackaroni from last game. I mean if he's mafia with TMI who is pushing town me then he's going to say it doesn't make sense??? Regardless, I've already done your work for you on the people not voting igrok: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/547420-72-24-midnight-sun-mafia?page=164#3268
Yes, and thank you for that work. The players there who literally don’t have any good reasons for not voting iGrok are VE, Koshi, and rayn.
There are good reasons to townread BC and trust he is giving iGrok a pass for reasons he actually believes. I know that because I gave iGrok a pass for very similar reasons as well.
Work with me here and actually look in VE’s filter for the things I just asked Artanis and BC to comment on.
idc if we lynch iGrok today because his defense is garbage and him flipping either alignment is beneficial because it forces everyone to reread the game. In the world he flips town, I strongly believe VE & rayn & koshi are scum together.
Some of the evidence already points in this direction but it’s mostly evidence we’re not considering very strongly because of how straight up awful iGrok looks. The only people who have consistently 100% ignored good evidence in this game, not just on iGrok but literally every other player, are rayn Koshi and VE.
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The cherry on top of is that literally none of those players push any lynches either. iGrok falls into that category as well but he doesn’t fit any of the broader patterns.
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I’m going to take a really hard stance on Artanis right now and say I find it extremely unlikely he is scum.
On read and reread he plays like he doesn’t have enough time to read this game when VE & Koshi & rayn account for like half of the posts and none of the content, and when it’s already difficult to keep up with what’s going on with 6 hours to play instead of barely 2.
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On May 25 2019 04:22 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’m going to take a really hard stance on Artanis right now and say I find it extremely unlikely he is scum.
On read and reread he plays like he doesn’t have enough time to read this game when VE & Koshi & rayn account for like half of the posts and none of the content, and when it’s already difficult to keep up with what’s going on with 6 hours to play instead of barely 2. Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum.. Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension. Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic.
Cool, same question on VE.
Rayn?
Koshi?
iGrok?
Cool we’ve established that it’s not alignment indicative, but probably indicative that Artanis doesn’t have time to get things correct. Occam’s razor ftw.
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Also Artanis’s logic wasn’t completely terrible but it was a stretch. Stretching does not make you mafia because townies want to be right. Like me, I want to be right all the time and I’m sure I stretch the truth too. Not here though.
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On May 25 2019 04:30 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also Artanis’s logic wasn’t completely terrible but it was a stretch. Stretching does not make you mafia because townies want to be right. Like me, I want to be right all the time and I’m sure I stretch the truth too. Not here though. This isn't a stretch. You are taking two pretty much identical filters and making excuses for one of them while calling the other scum... No stretching, pure agenda. So you can shove you occam's razor up your bum.
You have your top 3 townreads all telling you that you are wrong. They are not identical filters at all. The case on iGrok is far more damning than on Artanis, and in fact there really isn’t much of a case on Artanis at all other than he and BC misunderstanding each other and it contributing a lot to people getting confused because it’s probably two towns fighting each other.
Like Artanis not getting BC’s scum meta correct isn’t necessarily scummy. It’s not scummy to be wrong, especially when he backed off to re-evaluate. It’s scummy to do something continuously when you don’t have any evidence for it, and when presented with evidence to the contrary if you continue to ignore it.
OTOH what VE, Koshi, and rayn have been doing all game is the exact opposite. They say all sorts of stuff with literally no evidence, and in fact a whole bunch of the time there is a mountain of evidence opposing them and they still say the same stuff over and over and over. Koshi can sail through mostly on the fact that everyone ignores him. Rayn and VE are sailing through to some degree on being ignored as well, as I’ve pointed out multiple times that people are townreading VE without actually reading the content and agenda of his posts. However the difference is that rayn if he’s scum knows he doesn’t have to do anything until his target flips because his town meta allows him to reach conclusions and never leave them until he absolutely has to. He did that on you already. VE knows he can’t hard stance anything because he’ll get caught in a slip almost immediately by either myself or BC, and we just played with him and we are both saying his tone is very different this game. He’s basically been on edge this whole game for no reason whatsoever. That’s why he’s literally never hard stanced this game.
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That is the scummiest claim I’ve ever seen
No way mafia shoots Koshi of all people in this game, over HF, over Jock, over myself even
He should be autolynch here for that
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Man HF read my posts and use your god damn brain
Koshi is claiming vet here because he has TMI.
It actually doesn’t matter what iGrok’s alignment is because this claim should autoscum you on Koshi. Like no blue in this game would counter claim that unless in the off chance you or Jock are veteran, and that is an incredibly easy risk for mafia to take if Koshi is mafia. His whole purpose here is to destroy the thread and stay alive long enough so that he can dodge the inevitable lynchparty that I’m about to send into his team.
Anyway I’m going to go back to bed and sleep for a while. You all need to start actually reading those 3 because we will lose if you don’t.
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Like also why would Koshi not auto claim on the flip so we have a confirmed townie???
He’s a veteran for fucks sake, why would he only claim AFTER I call his entire team out?
Like that makes no sense. He even kept going on and on about wanting to kill iGrok too, and I have no clue why him claiming vet here has any bearing on iGrok’s alignment.
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HELLO
If mafia don’t see a vet claim by this point in the game they know there is no vet and can safely claim without a CC
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Alright whatever I’m going back to bed
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If someone does CC koshi then we kill Koshi 100%
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On May 25 2019 04:56 Koshi wrote:
We have to lynch inactives that refuse to show face.
More TMI
Knows by now the jailer is not in the thread
Man this is so predictable LOL
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He is mafia. End of story.
The claim timing makes no sense, literally the only thing that changed was I came in and started talking about VE rayn and Koshi being scum.
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I have no intention of defending myself here.
Even if I get lynched people will probably still keep calling my play crazy after I flip but they will know I’m town and I’m not actually crazy.
OTOH defending myself serves no purpose except to give my scumreads a platform to continue shitting on the thread. I actually really regret coming back to participate and provide reads because I pretty much knew what would happen when I did. I tipped off mafia too much and no one was listening to me at all.
gl hf
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On May 25 2019 06:02 Koshi wrote:
You should use the info I was shot for at least 1 lynch. Real veteran or jailor will claim after night for sure.
This. Is. A. Scum. Claim.
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On May 25 2019 07:56 disformation wrote:
for the record: pretty sure he was quoting you out of context there.
Nope, he’s basically just been scumslipping constantly. His claim carries almost no weight whatsoever.
Like he just said two really important things that probably everyone missed:
1. he thinks mafia “eliminated” the Jock mislynch. That’s really strange because there are only three-four players who really tried to scumread Jock to my recollection, and they’re:
rayn, HF, VE, BC
Of these, BC is the only one IIRC who had Jock on a watchlist and didn’t actually push Jock much.
So, the other 3 started townreading Jock really hard after the shenanigans that happened when Jock freaked out, while myself and a bunch of other players did not really scumread Jock at all either before nor after. No one even used Jock’s alignment and those events to call anyone else scum until Koshi doing so just now.
However if he actually thinks this is the case, why does he not scumread any of rayn & HF & VE here for being the only ones who hard stance swapped? What would Mafia motivation be for “eliminating a mislynch” and if I’m scum here why would I ever eliminate a mislynch BEFORE the town confirming events?
2. He just said the post I quoted, https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27366801
Basically his story up till now has been “why would I risk getting counterclaimed as town” into a post that a.) admits his intention is for people to use his claim on info purposes for one lynch only and that b.) he knows he will be counter claimed eventually. No idea why he would say either of those two things unless he has TMI here.
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