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On May 23 2019 19:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I know this will likely damn me but whatever.
I am looking into Igroks filter. Opening a post and reading the thread around it for context and I just dont see it. He is actively trying to figure the thread out IMO and his reads do appear to change based on how the thread progresses. Again, he can easily be fooling me but I just don't see how he priority in lynching at this moment in time.
As such
##vote artanis
This is the most untrue thing I've read in my life. You have to be mafia defending igrok.
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On May 23 2019 21:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 18:48 Calix wrote:
My head's currently at BC/ iGrok/ VE. Rayn and Koshi might have just gotten lost on their way to the Obs QT. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 20:29 Calix wrote:
[...] Both you and iGrok have made this argument [...]
Regardless, this seems to be a thing you two legitimately think so I don't think it's AI. [...] mhm
I don't think they're mafia because they made arguments with that logic. I think that's part of how they'd see the game regardless of alignment. I think they're mafia for other reasons.
This really isn't hard to understand, rayn.
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BC can you give me good townie examples of how iGrok's reads change as the thread progresses?
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On May 23 2019 21:07 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 21:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Calix I don't know if you are purposely being dense. Read the thread. Outside of possibly you, I think I have explained basically all my scum reads and the reasoning for them? Regardless of whether or not you agree with my logic? Fuck I even have explained town reads, reasonings to give people the chance to post so I can get reads.
Like what world do you live in where you don't remember or seem to remember events that have happened in the thread? I do not understand why it is so hard for you to just answer the damn question instead of calling me 'lazy', 'hypocritical' and 'dense'. How helpful! If you're going to dodge that, then lemme ask you this. Do you think this interaction I've had with you makes me more likely town or mafia? I will leave you be if you answer this. I'm not accepting 'null', or a bunch of waffle, or attacks on my character, as an answer.
Honestly? All your interactions with me I extremely dislike. Which makes me lean scum. However, I still prefer my artanis read so my vote stays there.
and before you go "but why does it make me seem scum"
If you are town, you would have at least attempted to think why I would be playing the way I do. hell me quoting your post is a direct link to that
A) Different people have different ways of viewing and playing the game. Much like how everyone has a different view of the world around them. There's no One True Way of playing as town or mafia because everyone has different ideas of what is townie and scummy. If everyone did agree on these things then the game would be super boring.
Me explaining 100% a town read isnt something I am going to do all the time. Especially when I am worrying about a scum read.
B) You're currently IN the mafia game. For all you know, the people telling you this stuff could be wording things in a way to make you agree with them for whatever reason. You can't necessarily take us at our word, lol.
You clearly haven't been paying attention to things I have said or have been ignoring it hense my other comments. IE why would I think explaining things to you would reach you in any way when you clearly haven't been agreeing or taking me at my word previously?
Again. Would you prefer me calling you dense or scum? Because Im starting to lean scum
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On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote:
@Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.
"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.
I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.
Literally posted this pages ago =\
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On May 23 2019 21:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 21:07 Calix wrote:On May 23 2019 21:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Calix I don't know if you are purposely being dense. Read the thread. Outside of possibly you, I think I have explained basically all my scum reads and the reasoning for them? Regardless of whether or not you agree with my logic? Fuck I even have explained town reads, reasonings to give people the chance to post so I can get reads.
Like what world do you live in where you don't remember or seem to remember events that have happened in the thread? I do not understand why it is so hard for you to just answer the damn question instead of calling me 'lazy', 'hypocritical' and 'dense'. How helpful! If you're going to dodge that, then lemme ask you this. Do you think this interaction I've had with you makes me more likely town or mafia? I will leave you be if you answer this. I'm not accepting 'null', or a bunch of waffle, or attacks on my character, as an answer. Honestly? All your interactions with me I extremely dislike. Which makes me lean scum. However, I still prefer my artanis read so my vote stays there. and before you go "but why does it make me seem scum" If you are town, you would have at least attempted to think why I would be playing the way I do. hell me quoting your post is a direct link to that A) Different people have different ways of viewing and playing the game. Much like how everyone has a different view of the world around them. There's no One True Way of playing as town or mafia because everyone has different ideas of what is townie and scummy. If everyone did agree on these things then the game would be super boring. Me explaining 100% a town read isnt something I am going to do all the time. Especially when I am worrying about a scum read. B) You're currently IN the mafia game. For all you know, the people telling you this stuff could be wording things in a way to make you agree with them for whatever reason. You can't necessarily take us at our word, lol. You clearly haven't been paying attention to things I have said or have been ignoring it hense my other comments. IE why would I think explaining things to you would reach you in any way when you clearly haven't been agreeing or taking me at my word previously? Again. Would you prefer me calling you dense or scum? Because Im starting to lean scum
Finally! You settle on an actual read of me! Much preferable to the waffle you had when we first started this little chat.
Why would I make assumptions about how you play when you could just tell me if I'm scum-reading you for NAI reasons? I even asked about your playstyle and how you came to the conclusions you had [that's literally why we started arguing in the first place], you avoided these questions to call me dense and then you turn around and say I'm not trying to figure out how you play?????
What a load of bullshit.
For the record, I don't care if you call me 'dense' because you are probably mafia doing the tactic of 'making personal attacks to avoid legitimate points/ questions'.
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On May 23 2019 21:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote:
@Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.
"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.
I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat. Literally posted this pages ago =\
Why does he do this if he still scum reads calix after it? Why unvote calix?
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Just you know, work makes me shit, not a thread leader and passive. Tomorrow I am off work. Be prepared to lynch igrok.
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Anyway I am done with you, BC. Go do...whatever else it is you want to do.
I'm going to work soon but will be around for a bit longer.
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From what I've seen I keep downgrading calix and then she posts and I upgrade her. I am doing it again.
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Got training today so sporadic till evening.
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On May 23 2019 21:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 21:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote:
@Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.
"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.
I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat. Literally posted this pages ago =\ Why does he do this if he still scum reads calix after it? Why unvote calix?
Similar reasons to Ruxxar not really trying to dissuade people from voting for him?
Like, I do see where you are coming from but if you arent 100% on a read and fear it might hit town (who could very well by lynched) why wouldnt you remove said vote if it could save them.
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I am now heading to bed though, ill be back when i wake up.
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On May 23 2019 21:14 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 21:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 18:48 Calix wrote:
My head's currently at BC/ iGrok/ VE. Rayn and Koshi might have just gotten lost on their way to the Obs QT. On May 23 2019 20:29 Calix wrote:
[...] Both you and iGrok have made this argument [...]
Regardless, this seems to be a thing you two legitimately think so I don't think it's AI. [...] mhm I don't think they're mafia because they made arguments with that logic. I think that's part of how they'd see the game regardless of alignment. I think they're mafia for other reasons. This really isn't hard to understand, rayn.
And i think if two people i scumread do the same thing is consider in itself scummy i sure as hell don't consider it NAI just because they both did it. But maybe that's just me.
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On May 23 2019 21:22 Holyflare wrote:
Just you know, work makes me shit, not a thread leader and passive. Tomorrow I am off work. Be prepared to lynch igrok.
Yeah I'm probably going to lynch iGrok because mafia tells me to.
THUMBS UP EMOJI
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On May 22 2019 10:21 iGrok wrote:
Seriously, I think the logic there is pretty straightforward, but to reiterate:
Calix and Ruxx are not both mafia, because mafia would not bus a teammate when the votes are close like this.
Ruxx and HF aren't both mafia because Ruxxar called HF on some shit that most other people didn't, it was a weird attack when HF was not seeing any real pressure.
Calix and HF aren't both mafia because HF looked like he was trying to set up a wagon on Calix earlier.
so what this means is:
If you think that any one of HF, Calix, or Ruxx are mafia, it has to be HF
Holy fucking shit you managed to even fuck this up lol.................... 
If Calix is mafia then:
Calix and Ruxx are not both mafia = can be true true
Ruxx and HF aren't both mafia = can be true
Calix and HF aren't both mafia = can be true
roflskates iGrok, i thought you actually knew something about propositional calculus.
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here's my response to Artanis since I was bored. Feel free to ignore this post if you think you will get any of my reads for today, because it contains none. I'm off to bed in a couple of hours and I'll be back in the morning.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts: Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well. The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game. The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best. As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied: Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false. Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia." Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC: Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Makes an incorrect statement. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me insteadLastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 23 2019 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE. I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him. I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG. Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you. If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it. "Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed. Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines. ##Vote wherebugsgo nice try but too much stretch. You might want to reread what I said, slower this time, and take it at face value rather than assuming I'm scum before reading it. 1. This hinges on me remembering one thing wrong, and then admitting that I was wrong, being a scumtell. Of course that's silly, unless you expect town me to have a photographic memory. All this while I am lying in bed, phoneposting, about to fall asleep, wondering what to think about something weird I remembered. Don't believe me? Check the time stamp. 2.The second post proves I am not lying that my best recollection was that your first read of BC was when you cased him. What proof? The fact that I wrote "before Artanis cased him" when I woke up and again checked the thread. 3. It feels to you like I'm trying to stay above the discussion because I literally said that's my intention. I don't want to be an active participant in the thread today because being an active participant in the thread yesterday was not helpful for me to solidify enough reads, and today I want to see who takes hard stances without me convincing them to take hard stances, cause that's not really a hard stance if it's me convincing them. Lastly, for bonus points, I decided I'd respond to this too: On May 23 2019 04:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 04:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I do actually think VE might be town though. Him trying to talk down people on points he thinks are weak on me whilst still scumreading me comes off pretty genuine and I dnu why he wouldn't just pile up on me with thread sentiment against me. Okay who do you think is mafia? WBG maybe? His thread policing without really taking any hard stances himself feels like he's just keeping his options open right now. He's also just pointing out a bunch of things without following up on his thoughts. Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 23:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
wait, me, Artanis, and BC all called VE scum...
hmm Okay, what are you doing with this? Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Was untrue, didn't check and just checked out. I need to dig into him further though. 1. "without really taking any hard stances" <- right, I didn't take any hard stances when I moved mountains at EOD to get four people to sheep me on my read of ruxxar, in order to, you know, get my top scumread lynched. Nor did I take any hard stances when I was literally the only person hard defending both Jock and Calix for a majority of the day. Nor did I take any hard stances when koshi/rayn asked me for a full read of the game, or when I literally posted my spreadsheet for everyone to read. I think perhaps you may also be implying that because I've said, plainly and clearly, that I intend to stay on the sidelines today, that also means I don't intend to take any hard stances today, which is just silly because I never said that: I just said I'm not going to take any new hard stances right now. 2. See prior explanations for not checking, and in addition: Saying "w/e. Too much thinking", while phoneposting, prior to going to sleep is of course a great indication that I have an intention to double check that immediately, rather than let the players who shared the sentiment that BC OMGUSed Artanis check it and either correct me or back me up while I'm asleep. Cause my intention is to do...what exactly? Make myself look scummier? Or perhaps it makes more sense that town me would want help in achieving clarity on this from someone who did share that sentiment, during a period when I know I will not be able to check myself?
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On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should. I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people.
I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else:
I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!).
also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game.
In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist
tl;dr
I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you
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On May 23 2019 22:15 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should. I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people. I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else: I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!). also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game. In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist tl;dr I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you
alright, I couldn't resist, I pronounce to you all, my first read of today.
I basically consider you confirmed town for this post. I mean, I already invited you to my circle so it can't get much better than this.
If you have any questions for me, I'll play with you. Also, I want you to read tl.net and let me know your thoughts on that little game. You won't get anything from me for playing or even winning, unfortunately, because you've already won in my book, but maybe you'll get something for yourself.
You mentioned memorability. I agree, memorability is good. Whose takes have not been memorable? I think I know, and I think you know as well. If knowledge aligns, then we're probably not wrong together.
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onto a more salient point:
On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should. I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people.
I'm like 99.99% sure I do not ever engage you directly unless you engage me first, unless I'm doing some D1 lynch holyflare that never gets traction. I'll attempt to eat a shoe and probably fail if I'm wrong, but a quick filter into past games confirm that
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