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On May 23 2019 20:03 Conversion wrote:holy shit I’m a devourer! U carriers can eat shit Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 19:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Confirmed town:
Jockmcplop
Town:
Holyflare
Conversion
Koshi
Townish:
Raynpelikoneet
Null:
iGrok
wherebugsgo
Scummish:
Calix
VisceraEyes
Lynch with fire:
The Cobbler
AMA. can U explain ur town read on me at this point in time? u made one post on me so im curious
On May 22 2019 02:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually like Conversion's filter and not at all for its contents but for its passion. I feel he believes in his read and do not wish to lynch this man today. He really should calm down though. His tunnel is too strong for me to trust that he's representing Disfo's filter accurately. His comparative filters are more than a year old but just the fact that he's filter diving old games makes me townread him pretty confidently.
This was the post I made on you and I haven't looked back at you since. I don't consider inactivity alignment indicative so there's not really been anything that changed my mind, though I find myself begrudgingly liking some of BC's recent posts which annoys me greatly.
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On May 23 2019 20:30 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 19:45 Calix wrote:On May 23 2019 19:43 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 23 2019 19:41 Calix wrote:I may be willing to switch to iGrock if we can lynch hf/artanis if he flips town. People need to stop saying shit like this. Why? Because if iGrok/ HF/ Artanis are all town then you're basically locking in several mislynches. And if people vote for X so they can lynch Y tomorrow it makes them less willing to re-evaluate their reads. Also you should vote for people you think are mafia, not just compromise on reads so you can get a lynch you want the next day...when your reads on the people you want lynched will most likely change in that time...therefore making the whole process really dumb. I mean at the risk of being too open about this i was JUST told that in mafia people say one thing and then do something different at EoD, but then people treat my word as fucking gold when I suggest something with about 65 hours left in the day that I might not want to do but would get me information if people respond to it. Make your bloody minds up.
I don't wanna be snarky but:
A) Different people have different ways of viewing and playing the game. Much like how everyone has a different view of the world around them. There's no One True Way of playing as town or mafia because everyone has different ideas of what is townie and scummy. If everyone did agree on these things then the game would be super boring.
B) You're currently IN the mafia game. For all you know, the people telling you this stuff could be wording things in a way to make you agree with them for whatever reason. You can't necessarily take us at our word, lol.
Even this post could be worded in such a way as to push an agenda. If you want to ask about basic stuff like roles then you can trust the answer but your questions are about more subjective things so...expect different answers that may or may not truly reflect the person's views.
Hope that makes sense.
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On May 23 2019 19:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
I kinda hope I'm Artanis' lynch preference. Because I'm gonna stonewall him if I am, like hard.
Why you gotta be like this bb
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On May 23 2019 20:34 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 20:30 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 23 2019 19:45 Calix wrote:On May 23 2019 19:43 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 23 2019 19:41 Calix wrote:I may be willing to switch to iGrock if we can lynch hf/artanis if he flips town. People need to stop saying shit like this. Why? Because if iGrok/ HF/ Artanis are all town then you're basically locking in several mislynches. And if people vote for X so they can lynch Y tomorrow it makes them less willing to re-evaluate their reads. Also you should vote for people you think are mafia, not just compromise on reads so you can get a lynch you want the next day...when your reads on the people you want lynched will most likely change in that time...therefore making the whole process really dumb. I mean at the risk of being too open about this i was JUST told that in mafia people say one thing and then do something different at EoD, but then people treat my word as fucking gold when I suggest something with about 65 hours left in the day that I might not want to do but would get me information if people respond to it. Make your bloody minds up. I don't wanna be snarky but: A) Different people have different ways of viewing and playing the game. Much like how everyone has a different view of the world around them. There's no One True Way of playing as town or mafia because everyone has different ideas of what is townie and scummy. If everyone did agree on these things then the game would be super boring. B) You're currently IN the mafia game. For all you know, the people telling you this stuff could be wording things in a way to make you agree with them for whatever reason. You can't necessarily take us at our word, lol. Even this post could be worded in such a way as to push an agenda. If you want to ask about basic stuff like roles then you can trust the answer but your questions are about more subjective things so...expect different answers that may or may not truly reflect the person's views. Hope that makes sense.
Be as snarky as you want I've got fully over my little hissy fit now....
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Hi all. This might be my only post before I go to bed today. I'm not sure there was any indication anybody read my last post but I recommend you all to read it.
For this analysis, unless explicitly mentioned, when I talk about "player(s)" I will not include myself.
A lot of players, myself included, seem very confused about the state of this game. However, every player has taken at least one hard stance on their own merits, all with their own reasons...except for three players.
One of those three players is on the lynch list for today. The other two are "off-world" reads that only two, maybe three players have really at any point scumread.
I don't know how I feel about that yet but thought I would throw this observation in the thread. Anyone who can correctly identify which 3 players I am talking about, cases and votes one of them without waffling wins town points in my book.
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On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game.
I already did that and you didn't say what posts or why exactly they made you change your mind. I'm asking the question to get you to stick to something more concrete than 'well I changed my mind', thus making it harder for you to be slippery and changeable with your reads if you ARE mafia.
Making snide comments about the level of effort I am putting in won't change that fact, mate.
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On May 23 2019 20:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
Hi all. This might be my only post before I go to bed today. I'm not sure there was any indication anybody read my last post but I recommend you all to read it.
For this analysis, unless explicitly mentioned, when I talk about "player(s)" I will not include myself.
A lot of players, myself included, seem very confused about the state of this game. However, every player has taken at least one hard stance on their own merits, all with their own reasons...except for three players.
One of those three players is on the lynch list for today. The other two are "off-world" reads that only two, maybe three players have really at any point scumread.
I don't know how I feel about that yet but thought I would throw this observation in the thread. Anyone who can correctly identify which 3 players I am talking about, cases and votes one of them without waffling wins town points in my book.
Hi Bugs, I think I want to lynch you.
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On May 23 2019 20:34 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 20:30 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 23 2019 19:45 Calix wrote:On May 23 2019 19:43 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 23 2019 19:41 Calix wrote:I may be willing to switch to iGrock if we can lynch hf/artanis if he flips town. People need to stop saying shit like this. Why? Because if iGrok/ HF/ Artanis are all town then you're basically locking in several mislynches. And if people vote for X so they can lynch Y tomorrow it makes them less willing to re-evaluate their reads. Also you should vote for people you think are mafia, not just compromise on reads so you can get a lynch you want the next day...when your reads on the people you want lynched will most likely change in that time...therefore making the whole process really dumb. I mean at the risk of being too open about this i was JUST told that in mafia people say one thing and then do something different at EoD, but then people treat my word as fucking gold when I suggest something with about 65 hours left in the day that I might not want to do but would get me information if people respond to it. Make your bloody minds up. I don't wanna be snarky but: A) Different people have different ways of viewing and playing the game. Much like how everyone has a different view of the world around them. There's no One True Way of playing as town or mafia because everyone has different ideas of what is townie and scummy. If everyone did agree on these things then the game would be super boring. B) You're currently IN the mafia game. For all you know, the people telling you this stuff could be wording things in a way to make you agree with them for whatever reason. You can't necessarily take us at our word, lol. Even this post could be worded in such a way as to push an agenda. If you want to ask about basic stuff like roles then you can trust the answer but your questions are about more subjective things so...expect different answers that may or may not truly reflect the person's views. Hope that makes sense.
Like Calix just going to say. For you to post this, then
On May 23 2019 20:38 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game. I already did that and you didn't say what posts or why exactly they made you change your mind. I'm asking the question to get you to stick to something more concrete than 'well I changed my mind', thus making it harder for you to be slippery and changeable with your reads if you ARE mafia. Making snide comments about the level of effort I am putting in won't change that fact, mate.
So to defending yourself via "this is how I play" to then attack someone for "this is how I play" basically is umm, a hypocritical move? Just saying
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On May 23 2019 20:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
Hi all. This might be my only post before I go to bed today. I'm not sure there was any indication anybody read my last post but I recommend you all to read it.
For this analysis, unless explicitly mentioned, when I talk about "player(s)" I will not include myself.
A lot of players, myself included, seem very confused about the state of this game. However, every player has taken at least one hard stance on their own merits, all with their own reasons...except for three players.
One of those three players is on the lynch list for today. The other two are "off-world" reads that only two, maybe three players have really at any point scumread.
I don't know how I feel about that yet but thought I would throw this observation in the thread. Anyone who can correctly identify which 3 players I am talking about, cases and votes one of them without waffling wins town points in my book.
Often enough your posts contain these little games for arbitrary town points. I hope you're adequately awarding town points for people who tell you to shove your town points, because if you lynch based only on people who play your little games and who doesn't you're gonna have a bad time.
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On May 23 2019 20:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 20:34 Calix wrote:On May 23 2019 20:30 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 23 2019 19:45 Calix wrote:On May 23 2019 19:43 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 23 2019 19:41 Calix wrote:I may be willing to switch to iGrock if we can lynch hf/artanis if he flips town. People need to stop saying shit like this. Why? Because if iGrok/ HF/ Artanis are all town then you're basically locking in several mislynches. And if people vote for X so they can lynch Y tomorrow it makes them less willing to re-evaluate their reads. Also you should vote for people you think are mafia, not just compromise on reads so you can get a lynch you want the next day...when your reads on the people you want lynched will most likely change in that time...therefore making the whole process really dumb. I mean at the risk of being too open about this i was JUST told that in mafia people say one thing and then do something different at EoD, but then people treat my word as fucking gold when I suggest something with about 65 hours left in the day that I might not want to do but would get me information if people respond to it. Make your bloody minds up. I don't wanna be snarky but: A) Different people have different ways of viewing and playing the game. Much like how everyone has a different view of the world around them. There's no One True Way of playing as town or mafia because everyone has different ideas of what is townie and scummy. If everyone did agree on these things then the game would be super boring. B) You're currently IN the mafia game. For all you know, the people telling you this stuff could be wording things in a way to make you agree with them for whatever reason. You can't necessarily take us at our word, lol. Even this post could be worded in such a way as to push an agenda. If you want to ask about basic stuff like roles then you can trust the answer but your questions are about more subjective things so...expect different answers that may or may not truly reflect the person's views. Hope that makes sense. Like Calix just going to say. For you to post this, then Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 20:38 Calix wrote:On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game. I already did that and you didn't say what posts or why exactly they made you change your mind. I'm asking the question to get you to stick to something more concrete than 'well I changed my mind', thus making it harder for you to be slippery and changeable with your reads if you ARE mafia. Making snide comments about the level of effort I am putting in won't change that fact, mate. So to defending yourself via "this is how I play" to then attack someone for "this is how I play" basically is umm, a hypocritical move? Just saying
A) My Jock post wasn't me defending myself. It's literally just theory that I posted because he asked the question. Has nothing to do with my playstyle and I don't even know how you concluded that.
B) I've never played with you so attacking you for things that may or may not be AI for you isn't hypocritical because I don't know what is and isn't AI for you. Duh.
C) Following from B, it sounds like you're saying you rarely explain your reads. Correct me if I'm wrong because that's how I'm reading this. You didn't explicitly state this though so it's hard to tell.
D) Attacking me as a 'hypocrite' [an accusation which makes NO sense given A-C] won't hide the fact that you're dodging the question over your read on me.
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First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts:
On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well.
The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them.
On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game.
The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best.
As for why WBG:
Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied:
On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false. Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia."
Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC:
On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Makes an incorrect statement.
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me insteadLastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement.
On May 23 2019 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE. I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him. I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG. Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you. If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it.
"Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!"
The focus is much more defensive and closed.
Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines.
##Vote wherebugsgo
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Also HF I saw you and I'll check out iGrok sometime today or tomorrow but please check out WBG.
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On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should.
I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people.
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not serious, but i really need to post it:
if bc is trying to say his playstyle includes not explaining his reads, can i say my playstyle is to have a lot of explanation but no reads?
more serious:
i think i dig calix posting today a bunch so far, so id like ppl voting her to have a bit more than "well her entry was bad". town can have bad entries/d1 too.
i know you are all town gods and never have bad days, but i had plenty of bad d1's as town.
so and now ill look for an aspirin and try to do some work. filter when i have more time later/this evening.
*disappears*
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This is what I'm talking about by narrative building Bugs, and this is all I'm going to say on the matter.
You have built up this idea of how you think the game should be played. And anyone not strictly adhering to that idea is suspect to you. Like your insistence that I go back and forth with you over our disagreeing reads. You think that me conceding that I don't think I'm going to be able to convince you and NOT being baited into an argument is "ignoring your posts" or "not reading the thread" or any other number of things you've accused me of. It's not, that's not what's happening, but you've now built this narrative in your head and in the thread that I must not be reading the thread, and I must be entirely ignoring your posts and not reading them at all just because I'm not responding to them. And it's informing not just your opinion, but the way you treat me. And frankly, I'd just rather not. Which is why I have been opting out of interacting with you regarding your reads. We disagree, and we're NOT going to convince the other. So I'm disengaging. Apparently I have to do that. This is me explicitly disengaging from you regarding the reads we disagree on.
Now for reasons that have nothing to do with you, my activity is going to PLUMMET this cycle. I've already decided to stonewall any suspicion cast on me because I think it's preferable to me shitting up the thread which is the alternative, and most of my thoughts are going to come in short bursts and I likely won't be responding to direct questions. I understand that this is going to change reads of me and I accept that. But I've been too emotionally invested in this game and it's affecting my home life and I need to step back.
I have no hard feelings toward you Bugs, but I won't continue to engage on the level you've decided we're on this game. If you feel like I'm among the toxic elements in this game, I apologize. It was entirely unintentional. I hope you can see that I'm town now, and that you were wrong, and that even if I end up mafia reading you this game, it's not because I don't like you.
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Calix I don't know if you are purposely being dense. Read the thread. Outside of possibly you, I think I have explained basically all my scum reads and the reasoning for them? Regardless of whether or not you agree with my logic? Fuck I even have explained town reads, reasonings to give people the chance to post so I can get reads.
Like what world do you live in where you don't remember or seem to remember events that have happened in the thread?
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On May 23 2019 21:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Calix I don't know if you are purposely being dense. Read the thread. Outside of possibly you, I think I have explained basically all my scum reads and the reasoning for them? Regardless of whether or not you agree with my logic? Fuck I even have explained town reads, reasonings to give people the chance to post so I can get reads.
Like what world do you live in where you don't remember or seem to remember events that have happened in the thread?
I do not understand why it is so hard for you to just answer the damn question instead of calling me 'lazy', 'hypocritical' and 'dense'. How helpful!
If you're going to dodge that, then lemme ask you this. Do you think this interaction I've had with you makes me more likely town or mafia? I will leave you be if you answer this.
I'm not accepting 'null', or a bunch of waffle, or attacks on my character, as an answer.
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I have read Artanis' 'hot take' read on WBG but I'd rather see how WBG responds before I make any judgments. Has potential to be interesting, me thinks.
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On May 23 2019 19:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 19:20 Koshi wrote:
My mafia team is still
Calix
BC
Artanis
BUT
I am now willing to vote somebody else than Calix. And I still think HF is mafia. For real. I really dont think iGrok is mafia and maybe mafia is setting up the TvT with Calix/iGrok. iGrok is just not looking evil. Maybe helpless? Even though he provides his ideas. Dnu. I feel the thread has put more doubt in iGrok than he deserves for sure.
This is so bs. There's been like 8 people defending igrok and not even scum reading him. YOU scum read him and then you don't anymore in your list for what reason that has changed?
It's like pulling teeth to lynch the scummiest behaving person I've seen in a long long time. That's crazy.
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On May 23 2019 18:48 Calix wrote:
My head's currently at BC/ iGrok/ VE. Rayn and Koshi might have just gotten lost on their way to the Obs QT.
On May 23 2019 20:29 Calix wrote:
[...] Both you and iGrok have made this argument [...]
Regardless, this seems to be a thing you two legitimately think so I don't think it's AI. [...]
mhm
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