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On May 07 2019 16:29 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 16:25 Pandain wrote:
Especially when most people are townreading FF and his head is on the lynch - why?
I should clarify in the above I don't "Townread" him, its just the strategy seems like it comes more from a townie. The thing is, lone mafia ALL look like town. Because like townies, they can't trust anyone. EVERYONE is LITERALLY out to kill them. I'm trying to use the events of the game to make a determination. Have you read my latest posts on MZ?
Yes, it's why these kinds of scenarios are so hard.
On May 07 2019 11:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like, townies VOTE. It's what townies DO because townies ONLY get to vote. MZ you're VT right? Fucking, and you didn't VOTE? GET OUTTA HEEEEAH!!
I would actually say that town is more likely to miss votes than mafia, because mafia have a vested interested in at least following the thread during the last part of the day (and if they are active they will almost certainly vote). Town has an interest, but since they're not on a team it's less vital.
Yeah the stuff about not taking a very strong stance on Jock is concerning, but it was day 1
That's the problem man. It's a bunch of weak stuff- I agree with you it's suspicious! But none of it is that strong. The problem is all of Grack, MZ, and Slam have pro points and con points. None of it is black and white to me.
I felt pretty confident on Koshi and pretty confident on Vivax. But I'll be honest now I am not really sure. The great thing I don't have to be right now, we have three mislynches.
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Oh I forgot to say, but my meaning is that if MZ is mafia and his head is up to block, why does he pick a person who is pretty town read to try to push? Why not someone easier like me or Slam or Grack?
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On the other hand, if MZ isn't lynched today (and we don't lynch scum) he will almost certainly be lynched day 2 or day 3, so it might just be useful to get it over with now.
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MZ had a please don’t mod kill me return post n1 IIIRC. I don’t care to speculate on that but if someone else does be my guest.
I agree on principle that not voting to the point of risking modkill is townier on average
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Well when we're more interested in whether town or mafia is more likely to miss votes rather than who people push and why, there's nothing more I can do.
My case is in this thread. Good luck everyone.
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I think the disproof of that argument isn’t far though, it’s name is Vivax the...godfather? wtf even happened there anyway
On May 06 2019 08:33 Grackaroni wrote:
We can’t believe a fake claim because town can just counter claim and win
This post has been bothering me ever since I read it. Maybe I’m thinking too hard but what townie ever finds themselves thinking this deeply about this?
And in a semi-open setup how often does that actually happened? Just cause Koshi got sort of burned by it it’s on his mind?
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On May 07 2019 16:46 wherebugsgo wrote:I think the disproof of that argument isn’t far though, it’s name is Vivax the...godfather? wtf even happened there anyway Show nested quote +On May 06 2019 08:33 Grackaroni wrote:
We can’t believe a fake claim because town can just counter claim and win This post has been bothering me ever since I read it. Maybe I’m thinking too hard but what townie ever finds themselves thinking this deeply about this? And in a semi-open setup how often does that actually happened? Just cause Koshi got sort of burned by it it’s on his mind?
Its wording is weird.
We can't believe a fake claim, because town can just counterclaim and win.
not
We can't try a fake claim, because town can just counterclaim and win.
or
We should hope for a fake claim, because town can just counterclaim and win.
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I don't actually get the post. He was saying that we don't have to worry about fake claims because town can just counter claim?
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Like it's trying to come from both mafia AND town perspectives.
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Also I'm just going to note that there was a lot of valuable and interesting discussions the past ten pages and Grack literally only talked about Bugs being mafia and ignored the rest. Very interesting.
That's what I do now because I'm out of ideas. Note things.
Carry on.
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On May 07 2019 16:51 Pandain wrote:
I don't actually get the post. He was saying that we don't have to worry about fake claims because town can just counter claim?
I agree with this interpretation, because you were fear posting on the claim calls.
Like grack must not be playing the same game because he commented earlier about rayn fake claiming veteran. And he, I assume, witnessed HF actually flip veteran.
So what happened there? If that hypothetical had played out with both of them alive in this situation we get a counterclaim and lynch a townie?
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On May 07 2019 16:52 Pandain wrote:
Also I'm just going to note that there was a lot of valuable and interesting discussions the past ten pages and Grack literally only talked about Bugs being mafia and ignored the rest. Very interesting.
That's what I do now because I'm out of ideas. Note things.
Carry on.
This is super noteworthy and something i also noted.
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On May 03 2019 03:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Please don't shoot me mafia because i am a veteran and i'd like to play another day because this game actually got very interesting in my opinion.
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On May 07 2019 16:46 wherebugsgo wrote:I think the disproof of that argument isn’t far though, it’s name is Vivax the...godfather? wtf even happened there anyway Show nested quote +On May 06 2019 08:33 Grackaroni wrote:
We can’t believe a fake claim because town can just counter claim and win This post has been bothering me ever since I read it. Maybe I’m thinking too hard but what townie ever finds themselves thinking this deeply about this? And in a semi-open setup how often does that actually happened? Just cause Koshi got sort of burned by it it’s on his mind?
Frankly i read it as "If a mafia tries to claim ANYTHING at this point, I won't believe it" because flipped vet and extra KP confirming Vig claim. Some people use setup stuff to try and solve the game, we're just well past that point now.
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On May 07 2019 16:53 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 16:51 Pandain wrote:
I don't actually get the post. He was saying that we don't have to worry about fake claims because town can just counter claim? I agree with this interpretation, because you were fear posting on the claim calls. Like grack must not be playing the same game because he commented earlier about rayn fake claiming veteran. And he, I assume, witnessed HF actually flip veteran. So what happened there? If that hypothetical had played out with both of them alive in this situation we get a counterclaim and lynch a townie?
Well I mean if both had seriously claimed veteran than yeah. But I don't think anyone takes Rayn's claim seriously. Did you? Why would a veteran ever claim veteran.
I mean the argument we don't have to worry about fake claims because town can counter claim is flawed because there might not be a town counter claim, but I'm not sure it means anything besides being dumb.
I might have something really interesting soon. Give me 30 minutes.
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Ok I think I do have something extremely interesting. I'm making a long post and I want it to be good, so give me 30 minutes or so.
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thanks for your input friends. I’m on board with that.
Btw if FF is somehow scum here that is some amaze balls play. Read his progression on slam today, and how he’s posted about Pandain. If he’s faking that level of uncertainty I just don’t know, he deserves to win the game as scum I guess.
Unless someone can tell me that yes, FF has done something like scum I’m happy to consider him town here.
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*FF has done something like THAT as scum
Just don’t see a mafia doing a read progression like that in someone the rest of the game is mostly marking as unreadable
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MZ -> grack -> slam
...???
If we get to #3 it’s slam FF Pandain probably at LYLO
if we kill MZ -> slam -> grack it’s FF Pandain grack
Likewise FF pandain MZ if MZ is last
hmm.
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Pandain who would you lynch if it was you, FF and MZ at lylo
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