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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 20:44 GMT
#2801
KSC said he converted Grack a while ago. That's not the question; the question is "Is KSC the actual cultist, or was this a one-off power for a townie". His claim is his role was to "sync" two lovers, and Grack wrote he was in love so KSC targeted him without thinking too much about it. It sounds logical to me.

Also KSC admitted that upon rereading his role PM he probably converted Grack. Why would he admit this if he was the real cultist? No one had suspected that KSC was responsible.

Personally I think theres a real cultist but he probably has some heavy limitations. Maybe two converts maximum or unable to do something day 1 or something like that. I can't see hosts just leaving a cultist in the game with unlimited converts.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
April 13 2019 20:45 GMT
#2802
yeah but someone got converted last night phase
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 20:45 GMT
#2803
It just makes no sense why Kelsier would claim he converted him if he was actually the cultist (and probably bring suspicion to himself). And if you think he's the actual cultist and that's his real power, why would he pick grack in a million years. The explanation of his town role just makes more sense imo.

It's okay if you believe it. It just means you're probably mafia and we're fucked if Slam is too.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 20:47 GMT
#2804
Yeah and imo it's almost certainly one of Slam, you, me, or FF. It's not me and both you and FF are voting for KSC, so this is just where the logic leads me.

And if you think KSC is mafia that means you think mafia has the power to remove players from the game. Oh and if you think he's the cultist they also have the power to convert that person to. That's incredibally imbalanced.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
April 13 2019 20:47 GMT
#2805
On April 14 2019 05:45 Pandain wrote:
It just makes no sense why Kelsier would claim he converted him if he was actually the cultist (and probably bring suspicion to himself). And if you think he's the actual cultist and that's his real power, why would he pick grack in a million years. The explanation of his town role just makes more sense imo.

It's okay if you believe it. It just means you're probably mafia and we're fucked if Slam is too.

On April 14 2019 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2019 05:03 Pandain wrote:
I agree with your analysis but I don't understand how it leads you to stay on KSC. Like if KSC converted people through jailing them, he could have picked way better people than Grack. That's not a question of different philosophies, it just doesn't make any sense from a mafia perspective.

Whoever converted grack makea no sense based on what townies know so thats a dumb argument.

like what is so hard about that?
i am also very unhappy you are calling me scum.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
April 13 2019 20:48 GMT
#2806
On April 14 2019 05:47 Pandain wrote:
Yeah and imo it's almost certainly one of Slam, you, me, or FF. It's not me and both you and FF are voting for KSC, so this is just where the logic leads me.

And if you think KSC is mafia that means you think mafia has the power to remove players from the game. Oh and if you think he's the cultist they also have the power to convert that person to. That's incredibally imbalanced.

no if ksc is the cultist its obv palmar...
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
April 13 2019 20:50 GMT
#2807
On April 14 2019 05:47 Pandain wrote:
Yeah and imo it's almost certainly one of Slam, you, me, or FF. It's not me and both you and FF are voting for KSC, so this is just where the logic leads me.

And if you think KSC is mafia that means you think mafia has the power to remove players from the game. Oh and if you think he's the cultist they also have the power to convert that person to. That's incredibally imbalanced.

its actually better than just converting because their new person cant vote next cycle?
not sure tbh, no idea how that day remove thing affects balance
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
April 13 2019 20:51 GMT
#2808
i mean if it is not palmar that got converted we are super fucked regardless
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 20:56 GMT
#2809
On April 14 2019 05:47 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2019 05:45 Pandain wrote:
It just makes no sense why Kelsier would claim he converted him if he was actually the cultist (and probably bring suspicion to himself). And if you think he's the actual cultist and that's his real power, why would he pick grack in a million years. The explanation of his town role just makes more sense imo.

It's okay if you believe it. It just means you're probably mafia and we're fucked if Slam is too.

Show nested quote +
On April 14 2019 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 14 2019 05:03 Pandain wrote:
I agree with your analysis but I don't understand how it leads you to stay on KSC. Like if KSC converted people through jailing them, he could have picked way better people than Grack. That's not a question of different philosophies, it just doesn't make any sense from a mafia perspective.

Whoever converted grack makea no sense based on what townies know so thats a dumb argument.

like what is so hard about that?
i am also very unhappy you are calling me scum.


Explain rayn's statement to me.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
April 13 2019 20:57 GMT
#2810
On April 14 2019 05:56 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2019 05:47 disformation wrote:
On April 14 2019 05:45 Pandain wrote:
It just makes no sense why Kelsier would claim he converted him if he was actually the cultist (and probably bring suspicion to himself). And if you think he's the actual cultist and that's his real power, why would he pick grack in a million years. The explanation of his town role just makes more sense imo.

It's okay if you believe it. It just means you're probably mafia and we're fucked if Slam is too.

On April 14 2019 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 14 2019 05:03 Pandain wrote:
I agree with your analysis but I don't understand how it leads you to stay on KSC. Like if KSC converted people through jailing them, he could have picked way better people than Grack. That's not a question of different philosophies, it just doesn't make any sense from a mafia perspective.

Whoever converted grack makea no sense based on what townies know so thats a dumb argument.

like what is so hard about that?
i am also very unhappy you are calling me scum.


Explain rayn's statement to me.

scum converted grack.
does it make sense for scum to convert grack? no.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 20:58 GMT
#2811
Doesn't that prove that Kelsier is not the cultist?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 21:00 GMT
#2812
Ok at this point you're probably mafia lol
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
April 13 2019 21:04 GMT
#2813
okay. lemme try once again.

IGNORE EVERYTHING.

it is a 100% fact that grack got converted.
why would mafia convert grack is not an answer town can answer.
grack got converted by ksc.

a) ksc is scum lying about his role
b) ksc is town

we also know that someone got converted last night

again:
a) its sent
b) its ksc and he lied about his role


is it possible that BOTH sent and KSC are scum and sent is trying to give KSC one more night by doing a shit claim?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
April 13 2019 21:06 GMT
#2814
and outside of ksc's claim which is obv more believable than sents, does ksc town to you?
he doesnt look town to me.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 21:09 GMT
#2815
No

KSC claimed his role even before the whole debacle with the mathmeticians and 5 people dying, which completely changed the game. There's no way mafia knew what would happen (all mathematicians were town) and were preparing just "one more day". KSC is almost certainly not lying about his role.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 21:10 GMT
#2816
No KSC doesn't strike me as extremely town. But Sentinel is almost certainly mafia, and has a very high chance of being the recruiter.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
April 13 2019 21:20 GMT
#2817
On April 14 2019 06:09 Pandain wrote:
No

KSC claimed his role even before the whole debacle with the mathmeticians and 5 people dying, which completely changed the game. There's no way mafia knew what would happen (all mathematicians were town) and were preparing just "one more day". KSC is almost certainly not lying about his role.

he claimed this early:
On April 10 2019 05:27 KelsierSC wrote:
i bussed grak out of this day phase. so his night actions couldnt resolve same for actions against him. he's in a QT with me and i guess he comes back next phase

i win with town but my role doesnt seem to have anything to do with maths or pythagoras or romans, some shit about unravelling lovers.

and A LOT later added:
On April 11 2019 23:59 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2019 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk but the whole conversion stuff doesnt make sense anyways since it is just op if it is like yakuza who doesnt die. how is town supposed to remove a growing number of mafia?

kelsier what does your role pm actualyl say about conversion? i am sorry if you have claimed it already.


I was told there were 2 SCL's and i have to "uncross their stars"

I can choose one player per night and effectively jail them "no night actions from or against them" they will be out of phase with the town next day and go into a temp qt with me.
If they are the right star cross lover my "sage advice" will put them back in sync with their partner.

win with town, alt win con uncross the lovers.

so from the last line. it seems like they only get changed to the other alignment if they were a SCL.

why didnt he mention that the first time?


see. i dont even disagree that sentinel is super likely to be scum.
i just have a bad feeling about sentinel coming in with his claim and then not voting ksc.
it might be a mindgame, but it might very well mean that ksc is the converter.

but yeah i am super totally not sure if i want to go ksc in the hopes of getting the recruiter.
or just do the safe thing and vote sent.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
April 13 2019 21:22 GMT
#2818
@slam voting would be great.
@rayn: any comments on my stuff or the general sent vs ksc thing?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
April 13 2019 21:33 GMT
#2819
Day Three Vote Count

KelsierSC (3): Fecalfeast, disformation, raynpelikoneet, Pandain
[UoN]Sentinel (3): VisceraEyes, Fecalfeast, KelsierSC, disformation, Pandain
VisceraEyes (1): [UoN]Sentinel

Not voting (2 1): Alakaslam, Palmar

KelsierSC is currently set to be lynched.

Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Saturday, Apr 13 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
April 13 2019 21:35 GMT
#2820
*sighs*
cold feet, hands are sweaty...
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