End of the World Party Mafia

On February 28 2019 10:06 Holyflare wrote:
lagavulin for life

On March 02 2019 10:17 Fecalfeast wrote:

For anyone to know that I'm town at this point, that person would have to be scum. I'm here to find scum and lynch them, not prove that I'm town by any means that aren't incidental to my stated goals.

On March 02 2019 10:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Y u say this?

On March 02 2019 10:50 Holyflare wrote:


I can get behind this case. Absolutely.

On March 02 2019 11:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I find LS to be oddly apologetic with his play rn, Damdred didn't claim scum (which I view as inherently anti town) so I don't really care about his play, I just find it weird that LS wanted to blow it up so fast.

This is what I'm talking about when I say "apologetic"

On March 02 2019 11:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Yes because I legitimately want him to answer the question, I've already outlined why I didn't like the comment, I wanted to hear his reason.

And yes I do think it's significantly less anti town to claim a town roll in the beginning of a game when people are trolling rather than claim scum. That's more of a personal opinion so you can feel free to disagree but I think the type of information you can get from people with something like what Damdred said is far more valuable than what Trfel/Conversion said.

As an aside, it's not that I'm suspicious about LS for telling the truth, more with the tone that he's addressing things.

On March 02 2019 14:30 Tictock wrote:
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This is prob just kus Rayn and I have very different personalities/outlooks, but these sort of questions bug me. It's really an accusation that FF is slipping that he is actually mafia, but it's very implied that FF means "anyone else" as he is unlikely to be thinking about his own position. So probably just a weak poke from Rayn, but I dislike. Mostly kus what sort of response do you expect from this question? How can it help you?
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On March 02 2019 15:39 Tictock wrote:
Oh IamP's flippant post about first bit of the game being boring (he said he agreed with HF) gave me town-feels.

On March 02 2019 16:55 rsoultin wrote:


is it bad that i think i should be careful of you cause you're doing the thing that you know i look for and you've proven that even in games where i'm not guaranteed to be a driving force you still cater to me?

that said, okayish pile ho!

On March 02 2019 17:08 rsoultin wrote:


Lol, ye, he trfel and chez are topping my lynch list at the moment. Chez in particular is rubbing me wrong with his sideline commentary nothing posts.

On March 02 2019 17:14 rsoultin wrote:
It means you're doing the things you know I look for when I'm trying to get a read on you, which you've admitted to doing as mafia when I'm in a game. So while it makes me want to townread you I can't be as sure as I'd like to be :/

It's mostly tonal with Trfel. Seems really stiff at the start of the game with LS, even disregarding the smilies. There's a caveat here that I think will work itself out before EoD, though.

On March 02 2019 16:17 iamperfection wrote:

this one but i could be reading to much into it.

Like a little too passive for my taste

On March 02 2019 14:57 iamperfection wrote:
like if he [Meapak] is mafia he did make a mess of those first few pages

On March 02 2019 19:51 rsoultin wrote:
Random weirdball read HF is being lazy enough to be more likely town than scum lol >< go figure

On March 02 2019 20:51 Vivax wrote:
@ Rayn

MZ said explicitly that he's accepting convs scum claim as a joke, but he wanted to know why he put in those names anyway.

Why is that a reason for you to question his motives?

And why does Conversion instantly get on the defensive about it when MZ said it isn't a reason to scumread him?

On March 02 2019 21:02 Vivax wrote:


MZ was poking him about it as he said himself and that's how I was reading the entire thing. It's just you and conversion that seemingly are construing it as a scumread.



And this quote from Conversion isn't something a townie would ever write.

"Hey I made a joke post about me being mafia. Let me explain why if it weren't a joke post, it wouldn't make me mafia"

On March 02 2019 10:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

lol who says he's not mafia?

On March 02 2019 11:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I mean I doubt he just gave up the entire scum team (which is why I said it was probably BS) but I certainly don't think he's somehow cleared. I'm even more interested now since he has apparently read my poking at him as me thinking I've got an "ironclad case"

On March 02 2019 11:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

This is literally all WIFOM lol. Do we still say that around here?

Personally, because of Trfel already (presumably) fake claiming scum in the thread, your "dumb joke" strikes me as a fairly safe entry type post for someone who is scum. I wanted to see what reasons you had for your list since scum often have a habit of including one or two of their teammates in lists like that. And if nothing else you talking about your list could spark a little conversation.

On March 02 2019 21:17 rsoultin wrote:


Because...?

On March 03 2019 18:30 Tubesock wrote:




Not really a case but you did scumread him.

On March 03 2019 19:19 Holyflare wrote:


Even after my post is clarified and your scum "case" has no ground to stand on you still vote for me? :D!

On March 03 2019 19:38 Holyflare wrote:


Got 'em. You're either mafia who got caught out or lying as town. I think you're floundering.

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On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote:
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.

On March 03 2019 20:02 Palmar wrote:


No one on TL knows me worse than you rayn, no one. You compare me every game to some version of me that only exists in your mind and conclude shit.

On March 03 2019 20:02 Palmar wrote:
Like why the fuck are you complaining about Acro doing legwork on lurkers, what the hell is that?

On March 04 2019 20:07 Palmar wrote:


Rayn did quickly defuse when I was arguing with him though, although some of it may be my reluctance to engage in the argument with him.

I don't know what it means.

On March 04 2019 20:37 Palmar wrote:


well you were gearing up for a shitstorm, and I'm trying to stay away from those by walking away from situations where I want to yell at people.

On March 03 2019 20:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar, if you are town, go seriously read Acrofales' filter and actually look at what he says. Then look at his case on Grackaroni and read the posts after that again.

On March 03 2019 20:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
First of all there is no figuring out if your policy lynch is ideological or scum, because its ideological regardless of your affiliation. I am not arguing lynching Sentinel is a bad thing i just dont come to games participating into policy lynches on people who dont post or dont read their role pm, because they should not join the games in the first place and should just fuck off and get modkilled. I play because i want to play and lynch mafia and there is no way to tell if those people are mafia or not.

I feel like the whole first chapter is full of nonsense because it doesn't really say anything. Second chapter also doesn't say anything because Sentinel isn't playing, it's like saying "i wouldn't call you mafia if you were more town".

Another thing;

Do you think a guy who jumps guns blazing on people who jokingly (or not) claim mafia at the start of the game can somehow thing it is less suspicious to fake claim masons than to say that they are not actually masons? I mean like if your principles that strong on stuff like that (like for example you and your policies) how on earth does it makes sense the guy who is telling the truth is more worth questioning than the guy who is lying? I call big big BS on Meapak's stuff on that.

On March 03 2019 20:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes Damdred claimed masons and i don't believe that was an obvious joke for Meapak because i am assuming he doesn't know either Damdred or LS. The worst part is that when i asked why did he question LS for telling the truth instead of the liar Damdred he said it wasn't actually for that but for something else, which doesn't make any sense because if you want to question something else then why don't you ask it in the first place instead of some completely useless question? LS answered him and he never followed up with his suggested "what i was really after" posting until i accused him.

On March 05 2019 07:32 rsoultin wrote:


These sorts of posts are why I hope you're mafia, actually. It's irritating as shit when you actively ignore me because I 'won't change my read'. I think if anything can be said of my play it's that I'm not a fucking mindless bulldog, and it's not as if I can even remember a game where I've tunneled the shit out of you when you were either alignment without reconsidering new information.

But whatever. Behaving this way will make it difficult for me to see you as town if you are. And if you are, well, I'm really just sad that we apparently can't play this game together anymore and you know what...it's really not because of me.

On March 05 2019 13:55 Tictock wrote:
I've seen Rayn many a time bulldog down a scumread of his even when there is tons of evidence that he could be wrong, but since he sees something that colors a person red he will never let it go. Similarly will ignore someone he sees as townie who disagrees since he writes them off in his mind since he has "solved" their alignment. I'd go so far as to say that Rayn often is playing his own game of mafia, called "How right can Rayn be this game" (ok this is a bit unfair, and sorry Rayn, but it's how I perceive it).

On March 05 2019 14:22 Chezinu wrote:
Hey guys.

Does anyone have any questions for me?

On March 05 2019 14:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I haven't gotten so far, but whatever he did EoD i think matters almost none in case Sentinel is town.

On March 05 2019 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote:

Hf you muppet

On March 05 2019 15:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

I'm not sure I'm following exactly. Sounds like you're liking him as scum because he hopped off BH for trfel. What's sent got to do with it though?

Acro backed off sent pretty early after their claim came out. He still supported Palmar, but he was pretty consistent in that and started questioning HF and his voters pretty early when others on the Palmar wagon didn't seem to care too much about HF's plan. Sounds like he felt Sent wasn't contributing too much in the latter part of the day, so he was ok with Palmar potentially following through with that lynch. Doesn't read as inconsistent to me.

His other big scum read was Oats, who was on the BH wagon

He did go back on Sent a lot more after the Palmar flip, but I get the feeling that a lot of that was sheeping Palmar's scum reads.

On March 05 2019 16:17 rsoultin wrote:
also hate the conversion last minute vote but i want to tentatively townread marv just for playing which is bad but yeah ><

don't agree with hf on acro. i see hf's viewpoint cause it's totally only seeing the game from town!hf since if mafia's scum how would killing palmar be dumb? but i also think that level of ragey at two blue flips would be hard to do as scum

On March 05 2019 15:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

Acro asked Jock three times if this was his first mafia game, looking at his filter.

On March 03 2019 15:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
The only snag in my mind is why did he even bother telling the thread. If he legitimately hasn't read his role PM what advantage does it buy him as town to tell the thread about it. Like if you want your play to be "neutral" (which as palmar noted is a strategy that is inherently advantageous to mafia) why tell the thread what you're doing. That said I like the idea of policy lynching someone playing a strategy that is blatantly anti town. I'm going to vote Palmar for mayor and suspend my own campaign.

On March 05 2019 16:38 rsoultin wrote:
actually yeah i'm a numbnuts if bh is town like i suspect conv is probably never scum here anyway even though i'd rather have kept a truffle blue role or not lol >< i'm doing the stupid right now on not enough sleep. gonna shower and probably come back to all this later in the day

also, rayn, you may be right on mz being scum and sent being town and thus mz knowing sent's alignment, but i don't think the bolded sentence means anything if i'm understanding where you're going right? that's a pretty normal english construction

On March 05 2019 16:47 Chezinu wrote:
rayn!!!!! YOU ARE SUPPOSE BE LIKE CHEZ IS MAFIA!!! Then force me to scumhunt!!!! Then I start making my list and we gets the mafia!!!! Whys you no answer me questions!!?

On March 05 2019 16:50 AMG wrote:
Rayn, is there any players in particular you'd like my thoughts on? Im only on page 19 so far, but I can give someone a filter dive and let you know if anything jumps out at me, otherwise I can just store my thoughts until I catch up eventually and post everything then.

On March 05 2019 16:53 Chezinu wrote:
Who wants to party like your not going to die this night with me?

On March 05 2019 16:56 marvellosity wrote:

He might be mafia, he kinda strongly said conversion was mafia right after the flip but then didn’t reference me at all once I’d started posting, thought it was a bit weird

On March 03 2019 20:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because giving a list of liek 10 people and calling all of them scum or "let's lynch them" and not havign a single read on anyone else doesn't actually accomplish anything. Like earlier he made a big post which said:
1) rsoultin shouldnt be any alignment atm
2) bc shouldnt be any alignment atm
3) hell everyone should be on your watchlist
4) Grack made a useless list post as first entry and then fucked off again. It seemed quite a lot like scum doing stuff to "seem active"

---> continues making lurker list posts after that all game

On March 04 2019 03:56 iamperfection wrote:
Acrofails is mafia.

I have mentioned his first post but i will mention it again because it makes my case longer and you guys like cases longer so it is easier for you to sheep



Playing thread cop when announcing that your going to be away is illogical especially for someone like acro. This is a person that has had a 50 page filter before and he was also full of shit he has come back to the thread to post drivel several times. It also shows he isn't reading the thread correctly because he is scum. Thoses " claims" were clearly jokes and acro cant understand that because he knows who is scum.

He is also making reads but they aren't really reads.


Does he think rsoultin is mafia i dont know can you tell? i certainly cant he is just showing shade without taking any real stance. Mafia hate making real reads because its hard when you have to "make them up" . Same think with cobbler he makes a somewhat read but its nothing if you really read.

He then goes into coaching and then makes a scum read but has to add some nonsense he dosent really want to convince anyone to do anything really.



This post is ultra scummy. His stance on palmar reeks of having extra information one way or another. Palmar saying he is going to just policy lynch and fuck off should be called out by acro but instead he takes a wait and see approach because he dosent really care how it turns out. Acro is good player and he should be shitting on palamr for saying he is going to fuck off. Instead he says we will figure it out but dosent really suggest how to do it. Shouldnt he be puhing palmar now? why wait. he dosent really want to figure out palmars alignment because he already knows what it is.





not really pushing anything and has several other posts where he attacks low hanging fruit just to feign activity. Acro is mafia and that is who i will vote for.

I want all of you to comment on my case and vote acro.

On March 05 2019 17:07 marvellosity wrote:
What’s meapak not doing here that he normally would as town rayn?

First filter I looked at this game because it would be fun if I got to lynch him.

I ask for meta because ‘old hands not doing that much’ describes almost all of them

On March 02 2019 11:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

My problem basically is that if i put myself into your shoes i would have said LS sounds apologetic if i thought so rather than some random question about him telling the assumed truth. He gave you the most obvious answer (anyone would give regardless of their alignment) and you just let it be until someone else -- in this case me -- brought the issue up.

That doesn't sit well with me. To me it looks more like you made a mistake and changed your story after someone brought the issue up. But we'll see.

On March 05 2019 17:11 marvellosity wrote:
Acro cases decent tbh

On March 05 2019 17:17 sicklucker wrote:
well im confident he is the mathematical lynch. im more confident hes a good lynch then any amount of my sad reading ability can comprehend. So im not really motivated to find mafia since a very likely mafia is in line. IF he flips town then I can try hard to save the game for town by finding mafia and not getting lynched. If he flips mafia I can kill you. Untill hes dead no motivation

On March 05 2019 17:21 marvellosity wrote:
The trouble is, if hf is town (or even mafia) it’s so easy for mafia to hide on the kill him train

On March 05 2019 17:29 marvellosity wrote:

Isn’t he always though

Would have to read, not sure when. Didn’t read the couple of posts I saw scummy but that doesn’t mean much

On March 05 2019 05:01 Ace wrote:
@holyflare: just voted you for Mayor. I haven't fully caught up but I've been skim reading. Assuming you win the election your plan is what again? Just restate for clarity so I'm not confused or in case I missed any new developments.

On March 05 2019 17:17 sicklucker wrote:
well im confident he is the mathematical lynch. im more confident hes a good lynch then any amount of my sad reading ability can comprehend. So im not really motivated to find mafia since a very likely mafia is in line. IF he flips town then I can try hard to save the game for town by finding mafia and not getting lynched. If he flips mafia I can kill you. Untill hes dead no motivation

On March 05 2019 07:28 sicklucker wrote:
but i am pushing this tref lynch over bh. its better if we get someone were more sure is mafia then a policy lynch. For all we know it could reduce mafia kp and powers. Its too early to policy lynch when thats potentially on the field.

policy lynch very bad
policy mafia kill very good

On March 05 2019 17:50 marvellosity wrote:

My impression is he would be more careful as mafia than that

On March 05 2019 17:55 marvellosity wrote:

Yeah I get what you’re saying but I can also see town Ace town doing that and mafia Ace normally doesn’t do things that look like that

Gonna park it for now, it’s not enough one way or the other

On March 05 2019 09:38 Acrofales wrote:

Scumclaim.

On March 05 2019 09:39 Acrofales wrote:

Scumclaim 2.

On March 05 2019 10:09 Acrofales wrote:
Man. This is gonna be a boring few days. We lynch sentinel and wiggles. After that we need to switch our brains back on.

On March 05 2019 17:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
I get why hf would say he's going to lynch palmar but I really thought he was going to go on something stronger than 'Well I said I would' when deciding who to kill. He had already got himself a ton of info, could have got even more by killing someone else.

On March 05 2019 18:04 rsoultin wrote:
I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong on him just like any other player, but I still think how he's played and how he interacted with rayn in particular when they were fighting comes from a town HF. And I'd like to be right about something so there's that lol ><

On March 06 2019 04:01 rsoultin wrote:
Also, for the record, though I'm mocking the auto-lynch mindset perpetuated by people who can't think for themselves, a BH flip is still best for everyone and 100% should be facilitated before day phase so the idiots can have a chance to check their idiocy. Not that I'm holding my breath.

On March 06 2019 04:53 rsoultin wrote:


READING COMPREHENSION EXISTS <3

On March 06 2019 07:46 Grackaroni wrote:
Not really so much though I'm on page 90 lol.

Rayn a while ago you quoted this to Palmar:



What did you mean by this? I didn't notice anything different about Acro's case on me than MZ/TT/Oats etc.

On March 06 2019 09:11 Rels wrote:

? why

On March 06 2019 09:14 Rels wrote:

ofc. Game is getting interesting

On March 06 2019 09:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
How is Iamp the weird kill and not koshi?

On March 06 2019 09:18 Holyflare wrote:
rayn is saying some real weird shit already

On March 06 2019 09:24 WaveofShadow wrote:

Nobody?that's the point?

On March 06 2019 11:04 Holyflare wrote:


Well I'm town? So he waffles in case it becomes consensus to kill me and then he can blend or he leaves scum reading me open for later. Or not at all if they have to kill me.

On March 06 2019 13:52 LightningStrike wrote:

Marv is a good player and I heard from Grack that iamp was better town player than scum player like Vivax type of difference in play. Anyone could of made the marv kill but the iamp kill suggests someone actually knows him very well. Idk honestly if hf would make the iamp kill tbh.

On March 06 2019 13:56 LightningStrike wrote:

Who knows it's WIFOM tbh. Like Isaid Marv is killed becaause he's marv but the iamp kill suggests someone who knows him pretty well.

On March 06 2019 13:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Note:
- iamp wanted to kill BH and Onegu.
- marv wanted to kill Sentinel, BH and maybe wiggles and +1'd cases on Acro and had a scummy thing on him, case on Mocsta was decent

On March 06 2019 13:59 LightningStrike wrote:

Because the majority of us never played with iamp before or least from what I gathered or at least a good chunk of us haven't played with iamp before hence why Ithink the kill suggests someone on the scum team knows how good iamp is.

On March 06 2019 14:03 LightningStrike wrote:

Could be a blend kill as well it's pure WIFOM honestly not wantign to deal with it tonight as I am going to bed. Will deal with the NK WIFOM tomorrow after class I got class and the morning and do VCA too!

On March 06 2019 21:36 rsoultin wrote:
Oh, Damdred, not opposed to a BH lynch on principle btw but why is FF town to you?

On March 06 2019 21:54 Acrofales wrote:
It's blatantly false that I haven't done anything other than hound HF. I am principally hounding HF, because he needs to die. But saying I haven't done anything else since D1 is absurd. Did you even open my filter to write this case?

On March 06 2019 22:00 Holyflare wrote:
Imagine bh having 0 votes though lol.

On March 06 2019 22:01 Tubesock wrote:
I’d scum the shit out if HF if he platformed killing Palmar, cased and scumread him, and didn’t kill him. Maybe MAYBE not if he killed scum instead. I think I’d still think he could be scum for killing a lurker mafia.

To me the ONLY plausible reason to scumread HF is because he said he tried to change it. And even that is 50/50 really. Everything else he’s done has been good for town.

People say he has a big ego, you think he thought Palmar was scum and wouldn’t shoot for epic plays???

You voters should be arguing that HF didn’t really believe his Palmar case.

But you can’t cause he did.

On March 06 2019 22:03 Vivax wrote:


xD

On March 06 2019 22:10 Vivax wrote:
I'm going to shipost through almost all my games btw.

On March 06 2019 22:32 Acrofales wrote:
But all of monday (the above post is made an hour and a bit before deadline), Palmar was deep diving people, engaging people, and hunting scum. Classifying that as "nothing of value" is nonsense.

So no, HF really didn't have much of a case on Palmar at all. Definitely not one that shows conviction, and certainly not one where he is trying to actually figure out if he's right or not. He parked the case on Sunday evening and didn't bother analysing anything Palmar did all of Monday.

On March 06 2019 22:47 Acrofales wrote:

In what world was I not trying?

On March 06 2019 22:47 Acrofales wrote:
Also, my Mocsta case? Huh? I haven't cased Mocsta. I definitely didn't case him D1

On March 06 2019 23:16 Grackaroni wrote:
You're directing this at the wrong person. HF actually addressed the posts that Palmar made on Monday. Rayn didn't and he voted HF for mayor so that HF would kill Palmar without commenting on what Palmar wrote about Sentinel/Conversion/Mocsta.

I have a lot more belief that HF had conviction in his Palmar read than I do that Rayn did.

On March 06 2019 23:24 Grackaroni wrote:

Sentinel
BH
Rayn


3 players very very likely to be scum.

On March 06 2019 23:29 Acrofales wrote:

Except... I didn't. At least not by the time it actually mattered.

On March 06 2019 23:33 Grackaroni wrote:

Palmar said that the reason you two butted heads was his fault. You didn't write anything about Palmar being scum that should have been considered more important than Palmar's scumhunting posts on Monday.

On March 06 2019 23:35 Grackaroni wrote:

But then you came back later in the day and voted HF mayor because you wanted to kill Palmar, so it's kind of on you if you aren't reading the filter of the person you're voting to kill.

On March 06 2019 23:37 Acrofales wrote:

Who the fuck knows, or cares?

On March 06 2019 23:40 Acrofales wrote:

I mean. What on earth in my filter gives you at all the impression that mocsta was ever my main scumspect. Like, at *any* point in the game ever?

On March 06 2019 23:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
Alakaslam explain yourself.
Let's lynch ace. Or sent they are both super scummy.

Sentinel even has a 'scum' t shirt in a frame on his wall the scum that was gifted to him by the only person more scummy than he is.
Which is ace.

On March 06 2019 23:56 Acrofales wrote:

1) I didn't ever strong townread Sentinel. I thought he didn't look as bad as Palmar did, but I would have been perfectly happy to sheep Palmar.

2) I didn't ever hava a strong scumread on Mocsta. So I definitely wasn't going to bother convincing Palmar around 15 hours before the lynch to kill Mocsta instead. If I did have a strong read, I would have tried to have him lynched. But I didn't. So I didn't.

WHY ARE YOU NITPICKING THIS WITHOUT EVEN READING WHAT HAPPENED?

On March 07 2019 00:03 Holyflare wrote:
I think we have to lynch Acrofales

On March 07 2019 00:04 Acrofales wrote:

Your definition of not doing anything at all is like... 34 out of 35 people in the game, most notably including yourself. In my opinion I did lots of things. So we'll just disagree.

On March 07 2019 00:06 Holyflare wrote:


I think there's better lynches possibly.

On March 07 2019 00:10 Holyflare wrote:


I'm not really fussed about a race. I just want to find and lynch mafia and Acro probably isn't the best one to lynch. I think Chezinu, exo etc are all good lynches.

On March 07 2019 00:12 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't really like it but I don't think there's any arguing we would do that would change my opinion. To me it just seems like you ignored the scumhunting posts and tried to lynch him based on your earlier case of Palmar, which I think is either scum or bad town play.

I'd be much more interested about hearing about this though when you get back from work:

On March 07 2019 00:20 Holyflare wrote:


No but I'm not particularly reading properly and I just kind of glazed over whatever you were writing to be honest. Your case is that he didn't criticise my palmar wagon when he had his own reads?

On March 07 2019 00:22 Holyflare wrote:


I really just can't at the moment. I'm on and off at work so just give me bullet points.

On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum.

Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia:

• He called out Grackaroni for making a useless list post and then continued doing nothing but listing lurkers / low volume posters for like next 24 hours. Neither of those are in itself necessarily scummy but saying someone is scum for doing a "universal mafia trait" -thing and then doing the same thing yourself is scummy as fuck and never comes from town, you'd have to be the biggest fucking hypocrite on earth to do that.
  
  
• He scumread iamperfection for too long, he should know wayyyyy better regardless of the fact iamp made a case (that everyone should read) on him.
  
  
• During the EoD he wasn't actively trying to do stuff, all he did was yelling and causing chaos. The most notable thing is he perfectly knew both Palmar's and Holyflare's mayor lynch choices don't align with his reads yet never ever during the whole time the debate was on tries he convince either of them to agree on a different lynch. Especially Palmar when they both share a scumread on Mocsta. There is simply no reason why a townie shouldn't care about this.
  
  
• Fake anger after D1 flips and anger directed at wrong place. Tubesock had a good post about this.
  
  
• After D1 Acrofales hasn't done a single productive thing. He has given himself a narrative in calling Holyflare mafia, hiding behind it, and doing nothing else. Even if he genuinely thinks Holyflare is mafia for doing a bad / stupid thing (which isn't even a good reason to scumread someone) it's simply pure mafia play to excuse yourself for not doing anything other than calling him mafia and everyone stupid and bad.

I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales.

All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia.

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I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes.
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Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow.

On March 07 2019 00:28 Holyflare wrote:
He even had to double check how many games with Iamp he played so I think that scum reading iamp thing is a moot point.

Hypocrite thing is easily done by townies.

On March 07 2019 02:52 Rels wrote:
now, BH needs to go, and I don't know if I can be convinced otherwise. He has played the "too sculmmy to be scum" so obviously I hate that he's not receiving more attention today. All the arguments I've seen for him being town seem stupid. I know rsoul had some against him being scum, and HF had too I think; I'll find them and explain why I thought they were stupid

On March 07 2019 03:37 Grackaroni wrote:
Wiggles and Oats

Seriously everyone stop what you're doing and read all of Oatsmaster's filter. It is snarky comment, followed by asshole question throughout the entire filter ...[...]

On March 07 2019 04:12 Grackaroni wrote:
You should take less convincing honestly because you already have a scum read on Wiggles and you can read distancing conversation pretty easily.

On March 07 2019 04:30 Grackaroni wrote:

I'll read through Acro's filter and then respond but my first impression is that it's just a day 1 case of Acro scum reading lots of lurkers that got extended into day 2 out of intertia and it makes me suspect you for pushing it so strongly.

I generally agree with Koshi's point of view on the first point here:

On March 07 2019 04:40 Holyflare wrote:


I did know he got lynched instead of BH? Was staring at the vote count refreshing while they re-calculated the vote post for like 25 minutes hoping it was wrong.

On March 07 2019 04:44 Holyflare wrote:


I don't know what this says.

On March 07 2019 04:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Then why did you say this:
" 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote:
for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in"

On March 07 2019 05:10 Vivax wrote:
In a nutshell, go back to voting HF. Hes lying mafia scum

On March 07 2019 05:13 Vivax wrote:


Im not saying hes lying about host actions. Im saying hes hiding it that he knew he could have withheld the lynch and waited even 10 minutes to see who was getting lynched before submitting his own choice.

On March 07 2019 05:28 rsoultin wrote:


Yeah no it's not jiving. I can believe you believe it but

1. He wasn't going after lurkers -> main push was oats
2. I don't know why this would make anyone scum?
3. This doesn't seem entirely true unless your argument is why didn't he try to convince one of them to lynch someone he scumread more? Which I don't see as particularly problematic in light of what he was posting about D1. And I don't see the yelling or chaos?
4. This I can see.
5. Don't agree here either. Much as I don't agree on his HF push it's not like he's been ignoring everything else.

@Acro - when did you decide HF became top priority? he was behind wiggles and sent originally?

On March 07 2019 06:18 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn this acro push feels awfully drawn out, can you talk about someone else for a bit?

On March 07 2019 06:22 Oatsmaster wrote:

That’s kinda rude and not fair to the rest of the people in the game

On March 07 2019 06:36 rsoultin wrote:


This is the last I'm going to say on this. Achieving something is not the same as trying to achieve something. Right now you are trying to achieve something.