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On March 14 2019 04:45 Pandain wrote: I mean really at this point it should be obvious I'm town.
1. Day vig- usually town, I shot (at the very least) an anti town player. 2. Led the lynch away from town ace 3. Led the lynch towards sentinel.
If I keep hearing people fos me it's hard to take seriously anymore if you're actually town. And starting to get scummy.
I like you.
If you want to know why TS deserves a wagon, read the latest edition of the dead zone show and the posts around it.
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[QUOTE]On March 14 2019 04:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [QUOTE]On March 14 2019 04:37 LightningStrike wrote: Example Case 1 s I spoiler each list post: + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote:Just in case: PB - too sloppy from his last mafia game. Conversion - he's trying for help and actually giving his thoughts. Too transparent for mafia. HF* He's just too dangerous as mafia to not distrust at least a little bit. In any case I'm not going to lynch him till like D4/5. Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler +On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb
fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that.
reading LS mafia, what else is new for me.
btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia.
tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile.
grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward.
BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia.
onegu...flip a coin. Tumblewood - Uncc'd Doc but I don't think I'd out myself if I were the real doc just yet. Onegu - started the successful shenany. It's certainly possible that he bussed for zero reason, but if he actually performs in the future, he's town. LS- I used to think I could read LS. While his reasoning is "weird" his reads are / used to be actually good if you disregarded what he said and zero'd on just the names. Mafias Most likely further down. Grackaroni - mostly ignored because I still think BH is mafia. Take away BH though, and I don't see anything towny. I think his fight with Ritoky is pure OMGUS. Blazinghand - at first I thought his jokes after the lynch made him town. His hyperawareness on how vote switching works (him telling Ritoky that if Ritoky jumped on the wagon after it was secured, it would have looked suspicious) tells me he is quite aware of his image. So, he's making sure everyone knows he's joking and trying to get us to like him. If he doesn't do anything next days we should kill him. beentheredonethat- I think "emotional" outbursts is a terrible reason to town someone. Vivax - I liked him until his weird shifts prior to the end of the day. His interaction with HF looked terrible. Example Case 2: + Show Spoiler +On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote: Towny Order Tubesock GlowingBear Koshi - had an entire post in CAPS LOCK. Ritoky Sukrit TicTock LightningStrike - 1/2 Koshitownness since his post was only 1/2 CAPS lock.
Null/mafia not necessarily in order but kinda Shapelog Damdred Rels GiygaS Kushm4sta Vivax
Shapelog I have the same suspicions everyone else does/did. I haven't really studied his filter to see what he's done after the heat was off him. Or what he did eod other than vote Kush.
Damdred I read Damdred's filter solely because of the GB hammer. I didn't like the shenanies but I have seen Damdred do that multiple times as town. Damdred doesn't address GB or Kush at all in his filter and only mentions Vivax with T-4 minutes to EOD. I think he had about 2 reads. I think Rels is right taht he is disinterested in the game. I disagree that it is mafia motivated though. Damdred in my eyes is like Marv/Palmar/Holyflare/BH, if they are alive d4 it's because they are mafia.
Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does. The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games. Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one). After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's.
I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately. I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read.
The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy.
GiygaS I liked his Rels points. That's pretty much all he's done. Even rereading his filter I didn't see anything that jumps out in either direction. I liked that he didn't seem too phased during kusgate 2015. For the record I don't think anyone who read my filter would think I sheeped GiygaS on Rels. Did G reaffirm and add to things? Yes. Another Rels exaggeration.
Kushm4sta knowing his alignment helps me think more about Rels. Associative reads BAD mmmkay. But he's done jackshit. I think I've read or played with him in 3 games. He was anti-town in all of them. I think copcheck/poe him later.
Vivax has like 4 posts all "I'm sheeping Koshi". Example Case 3: + Show Spoiler +On April 13 2015 05:04 Tubesock wrote: In case I die.
Town Soren / Holyflare Breshke Prplhz Rsoultin Half the Sky Jarjarbinks The Shining - I was thinking of having him in the nulls but it would essentially be a policy null. Ace was useless. I like Shining. Plus he likes my thoughts on Dwarf so there's that.
Nulls Onegu - hasn't done a lot. Waiting on his Rsoultin case Stutters695 - I see posts in his filter I like. Some I'm eh ok. I have a hard time towning him when he scums Breshke and Prplhz. I plan on rereading Breshke and Prplhz more to see if I think Stutters points are reasonable. Anyway, focusing on him Day 2. Also thinking about Prplhz's assessment of him. Bourneq - Got a lot of flack from Prplhz at the very beginning. I gave him a couple slight townpoints for something but that was basically it. Don't remember anything else about him.
Mafia TheBloodyDwarf - duh! Example Case 4: + Show Spoiler +On May 04 2016 15:16 Tubesock wrote: headed out for drinks and dinner. Will be back in a few hours. In the mean time:
Towns:
Kush Shape Slam Marvish Ricey jat
If I were to pick who to lynch of the "actives" as it were I'd take time deciding between killing and Fazer. I didnt' really like their answers but they are actually closer to null than anything. You can probably infer what I didn't like about them by some of the questions I directed at them.
for the inactives I'd lynch in this orderish
Dr Thrawn Etellex Mig (modkill though?) Palmar
Example Case 5: + Show Spoiler +On October 24 2016 06:37 Tubesock wrote: My scum list is scummiest to least:
Vivax, Skynx, Koshi Hamaztubo, Lord Tolkien Ritoky, GlowingBear Sicklucker
My biggest problem with this is they are all lurkers. Rereading Acrofales, Dandel Ion, iamperfection I just can't see how they could be mafia. Statistically though, it's improbable that mafia are all lurkers.
I think everyone in the game would kill HF if they were mafia, so it's not really informative that HF scummed: Vivax, Skynx and Koshi (also Art, beenthere,Lunat, ExO, Kurumi, GB, WoS). But if they are mafia then it would be double motivation to kill HF. Koshi already claimed hitting him.
NocturneMage was clearly tryhard so that's a good reason to kill him too. He also scummed Koshi, Skynx and Vivax. Along with Lunatic and was suspicious of Kurumi, GB, TL, ExO, Bill, Hazmatubo.
The kills also implicate Kurumi, ExO and GB. I eliminated kurumi and ExO but don't really remember why. HF was warming up to GB.
So, anyone want to talk about LT, Ritoky, or GlowingBear? I think Hazmatubo will be replaced, and I think Sicklucker will be figured out a little bit better later. (I'm right about Siclucker 50% of the time 70% of the time)
Example Case 6: + Show Spoiler +On March 10 2015 08:36 Tubesock wrote: So,
Bats and Fecal mafia.
then 2 in
Lightningstrike Alakaslam Sepulchre Keirathi
I think Keirathi is most likely town of the 4. I'd like to hear what Kurumi thinks about Kei. Along with the other confirmed towns, Breshke and Slam.
Sep. I felt like he's "off". But then I think about the Geript "ninja" set up and wifom myself into black holes.
I really don't know about Slam. He does have 3 days to prove useful though. I think he's 65% town.
I've been thinking a lot about Lightningstrike lately. I don't know.
Unless people think Bats is possibly town, he's my next pick. Even Fecal who I was pretty sold was the ninja is more useful. Tell me which ones are from scum TS and which ones came from Town TS. I know the answer. Lmao these all look very similar to me. Gonna have to find a better meta read fam.[/QUOTE]
I'll play
Mafia Town I read his in case post so disqualifying myself Town Town Mafia
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On March 14 2019 04:57 darthfoley wrote: Also patiently waiting for this wagon to actually start on me.
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On March 14 2019 05:04 Pandain wrote: Is there still support for an MZ wagon?
I'm getting there the more I talk with him.
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On March 14 2019 05:16 Pandain wrote: I just read cases around TS and his post history. General argument is he doesn't really push anyone and is inactive. It seems like a shot in the dark.
This is a big misrep of the reasons TS is on the table.
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On March 14 2019 06:05 Pandain wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 12 2019 23:00 Tubesock wrote:Acrofales - confirmed Sicklucker -he picked up why Chez is scum and FF is town Fecalfeast - bombing Chez is brilliant. I believe his claim and he’s the only hatter. Onegu - feels plus I like his mechanical analysis LightningStrike - Trust of the dead, too active for mafia LS Vivax - he’s alive because he’s useful for mafia, he does not promote town circles. Alakaslam- feels. I used to study Slam. This isn’t like any Slam I’ve ever seen. But feels. Grackaroni - he had a few posts I thought were spot on. Mocsta - probably should be null. Hmm Jockmcplop Meapak_ziph Mr. Wiggles - I think he could be town BUT OMGUS, he half assed went after LS (LS rule), and most the dead wanted his lynch. Including Ticktock. Darthfoley - POE mostly Rels- mafia need a mason to find Traitor, Rsoultin said scum with good reason, and Ticktock, plus I think 8 blues is a bit much. Pandain- I’ll never believe that a town day vig would make this post + Show Spoiler [call 4 HF vig] +On March 08 2019 18:43 Pandain wrote: Hey everyone. For those who don't know me, I'm pretty sure it's pretty obvious to tell when I'm town or not when I'm actually playing. Expect to see a hell of a lot more activity, and actually I was pretty up to date with the whole part of day 2 when I asked Kita to replace after I saw AMG was similarly overwhelmed like me the first day.
I won't dwell on the past too much, but Holyflare 100% needs to be vigi'd tonight. It was remarkable watching the last day.
HF talk has already spammed the thread and later tonight I'm going to be looking into others, but I want to emphasize two points.
1. Fake claimed for no town reason . I don't care about fake claims in general ,I used to do it all the time. However, when Town does it it's because they have a reason to (and holyflare already established he did not just do it for the "Lolz".) There was no reason to fake-claim, and honestly I'm not sure about how it benefits mafia but it sure as hell makes no sense from a town perspective. Also can we just kill people who outright lie for no reason?
2. Furthermore, HF dying gives a huge amount of information. If he's mafia, I actually think we can start wrapping up the game because HF has been at the center of the thread and voting thread for both days. If he actually does just turn out to be a balls-out crazy town, I think it's very safe to say a good amount of mafia probably voted for him after he made his intentions clear to vote Palmar. Either way, town is in a good position.
However, I am pleading for a vigilante to end the job. The information best helps us if we know it at the start of the day cycle.
I'm actually not even certain I would support a Holyflare day 3 lynch.
Also just FYI BC and Ace need to die with fire if either of them live to day four. It’s so incredibly overexplainy for someone who is going to shoot Holyflare.
Oatsmaster- He townread then scumread Mr. Wiggles before this exchange + Show Spoiler [The Tube Trap] +On March 08 2019 04:42 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 04:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Mafia boi
If wriggles does the same thing as you in that his case on you can be applied to him, and you are town, doesn’t that mean he’s also town? How does it mean he’s mafia I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts: Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense. Then Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off. Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it. Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!! This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia. Oatsmaster, who waffles on Mr. Wiggles, immediately takes Wiggles word without hesitation or investigating the truthfulness of either mine or Wiggles filter and says I’m scum. This of course was based on a flat lie that Oatsmaster didn’t bother at all to investigate. He shouldn’t have trusted Wiggles word as he didn’t show any indication that he strongly townread Wiggles. A town always distrusts, and when I confronted Oats, he was just “oh I’m wrong, whoops” and then just did whatever he was doing. I would think town would question Wiggles a bit after that. Chezinu - there’s four scenarios concerning the Great FF/Chezinu Mad Hatter Debate of 2019. 1)Both are Mafia. This would be so goddamn genius. Lynch one they flip mafia and the other is confirmed town with 0% chance of being questioned for not being NK’d. Having a backup Cop flip day one and HF going on how this is a themed game I can see a world where Chez and FF think up this shit. Especially if Sicklucker is mafia also. They’re all crafty. But I think it is unnecessary and considering there’s only two dead mafia, I think it’s unlikely. But yolo end of era plays. HF tried one. 2) Fecalfeast/Chezinu- a one for one would be a complete waste. Almost zero chance. 3) both town- possible. Mafia could hold the shot on FF hoping they could mlynch Chezinu, and then shoot FF if he places a bomb on a mafia friendly target the next night. Seems needlessly risky for two free dead towns. 4)FecalfeastCezinu- mafia would never shoot in this instance unless for some crazy bad reason they thought FF was lying about his bomb. I think this is by far the most likely situation. My vote will not waver from Chezinu.
I haven’t had internet since Thursday. Apologies. This Thursday and Friday I probably won’t have it again. There were technical difficulties at work. I’m caught up, going to be rereading stuff. I’ll be here for several hours. I mean this is a bad post and the only reason I don't feel bad if TS gets lynched, but I wouldn't lynch him just on this.
It doesn't bother you in the slightest that acrofales is somehow confirmed even though his role description is out of the ordinary, and he's calling you scum?
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Went through TS filter again to double check my read. Besides his big post, I actually got a townie feeling from it. Waffle.
I think I'd like to murder Jock then.
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Reading DF using my arguments to justify a scumread on DF rings all my alarms. He isn't a small ego as town and I didn't make him out to be a member of the cult of vivax in previous games. In his defense, having to play this game one-handed is a torture he's willing to put up with.
I dunno about Onegu, really. His filter just doesn't incite anything in particular in me. This day I mostly found him suspicious for steering clear of the stuff on TS (associative), and for trying to use BCs post as an argument for chez being mafia. That's bad but not necesserily mafia. Otherwise, other reasons I could fathom are the post ace mentioned at night where he said that traitor was needed to balance scum, and aces death in itself.
I'm really not sure that I want to be on the same wagon as acro looking back at how the NKs went.
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EBWOP: Reading DF using my arguments to justify a scumread on TS
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On March 12 2019 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Can we talk about vivax? He should be 100% gone by now also 1000% gone.
I wanna say the ace kill means that scum knew that sent was mafia
Wtf does this mean? Why?
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On March 12 2019 23:00 Tubesock wrote:
Chezinu - there’s four scenarios concerning the Great FF/Chezinu Mad Hatter Debate of 2019. 1)Both are Mafia. This would be so goddamn genius. Lynch one they flip mafia and the other is confirmed town with 0% chance of being questioned for not being NK’d. Having a backup Cop flip day one and HF going on how this is a themed game I can see a world where Chez and FF think up this shit. Especially if Sicklucker is mafia also. They’re all crafty. But I think it is unnecessary and considering there’s only two dead mafia, I think it’s unlikely. But yolo end of era plays. HF tried one. 2) Fecalfeast/Chezinu- a one for one would be a complete waste. Almost zero chance. 3) both town- possible. Mafia could hold the shot on FF hoping they could mlynch Chezinu, and then shoot FF if he places a bomb on a mafia friendly target the next night. Seems needlessly risky for two free dead towns. 4)FecalfeastCezinu- mafia would never shoot in this instance unless for some crazy bad reason they thought FF was lying about his bomb. I think this is by far the most likely situation. My vote will not waver from Chezinu.
I’m caught up, going to be rereading stuff. I’ll be here for several hours.
On March 14 2019 02:58 Tubesock wrote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster
???
Screw the impression of his filter, I'm staying on this fishy dude.
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On March 14 2019 07:17 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 06:56 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2019 23:00 Tubesock wrote:
Chezinu - there’s four scenarios concerning the Great FF/Chezinu Mad Hatter Debate of 2019. 1)Both are Mafia. This would be so goddamn genius. Lynch one they flip mafia and the other is confirmed town with 0% chance of being questioned for not being NK’d. Having a backup Cop flip day one and HF going on how this is a themed game I can see a world where Chez and FF think up this shit. Especially if Sicklucker is mafia also. They’re all crafty. But I think it is unnecessary and considering there’s only two dead mafia, I think it’s unlikely. But yolo end of era plays. HF tried one. 2) Fecalfeast/Chezinu- a one for one would be a complete waste. Almost zero chance. 3) both town- possible. Mafia could hold the shot on FF hoping they could mlynch Chezinu, and then shoot FF if he places a bomb on a mafia friendly target the next night. Seems needlessly risky for two free dead towns. 4)FecalfeastCezinu- mafia would never shoot in this instance unless for some crazy bad reason they thought FF was lying about his bomb. I think this is by far the most likely situation. My vote will not waver from Chezinu.
I’m caught up, going to be rereading stuff. I’ll be here for several hours.On March 14 2019 02:58 Tubesock wrote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster ??? Screw the impression of his filter, I'm staying on this fishy dude. Why did you selectively quote that? Neither Chez nor Oats are getting lynched and he has Oats in big red letters too.
It's a throwaway vote? His best bet is to try and get Chezinu lynched. And not voting for your own survival is something I have seen mafia and town do in the past, but playing to win as town is to get the next of your scumreads lynched that comes after you on the chopping block.
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On March 14 2019 07:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 06:48 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2019 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Can we talk about vivax? He should be 100% gone by now also 1000% gone.
I wanna say the ace kill means that scum knew that sent was mafia Wtf does this mean? Why? Because he was the alternative lynch so they got scared that he would be confirmed town because they knew how the votes fell
On March 11 2019 08:00 Dandel Ion wrote: Day Three final Vote Count
[UoN]Sentinel (10): Pandain, Grackaroni, Mocsta, Ace, Ticktock, Acrofales, LightningStrike, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Meapak_Ziphh Ace (7): Oatsmaster, Rels, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, [UoN]Sentinel, darthfoley, Vivax Chezinu (4): Alakaslam, Fecalfeast, Onegu, sicklucker
Not voting (2): ExO_, Tubesock
[UoN]Sentinel is lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Sunday, Mar 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
Can you explain it to me like I'm an idiot? How did the votes fall that anyone would have regarded ace as confirmed town?
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I think Oats has TMI here.
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Shenanigans are pretty dangerous. With so many mafia we have to be able to hold everyone accountable for their vote.
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Like if a bunch of townies just start moving around their vote carelessly, guess what scum can do.
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On March 14 2019 07:46 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2019 21:01 Dandel Ion wrote: Day Three Vote Count
Chezinu (6): Alakaslam, Tumblewood, Vivax, Fecalfeast, Acrofales, Grackaroni Ace (6): Oatsmaster, Rels, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, sicklucker, Ticktock Tubesock (1): Mr. Wiggles
Not voting (10): Onegu, LightningStrike, ExO_, [UoN]Sentinel, Tubesock, Pandain, darthfoley, Mocsta, Meapak_Ziphh, Ace
Chezinu is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Sunday, Mar 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . This is why i want chez to die. Tumbletown vivax town ff town acro town grack not scummy. Slam who i used to think was town and big mafis bus driver. He once bussed me when i was are teams only hope when i was gone for the day this is my post from yesterday that i think everyone missed On chez wagon we have activity confirmed town vivax counterclaiming confirmed ff. dead townie tumblewood. sort of likely town acro. Thats 4 very likely to be town players . On the other wagon we have oats, jock chez ticktock and me . Ya there is probably 2 or 3 mafia in that
This is actually an argument I like.
Idk is there even any way we don't lynch scum today? I'm not sure.
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On March 14 2019 07:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 07:46 sicklucker wrote:On March 10 2019 21:01 Dandel Ion wrote: Day Three Vote Count
Chezinu (6): Alakaslam, Tumblewood, Vivax, Fecalfeast, Acrofales, Grackaroni Ace (6): Oatsmaster, Rels, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, sicklucker, Ticktock Tubesock (1): Mr. Wiggles
Not voting (10): Onegu, LightningStrike, ExO_, [UoN]Sentinel, Tubesock, Pandain, darthfoley, Mocsta, Meapak_Ziphh, Ace
Chezinu is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Sunday, Mar 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . This is why i want chez to die. Tumbletown vivax town ff town acro town grack not scummy. Slam who i used to think was town and big mafis bus driver. He once bussed me when i was are teams only hope when i was gone for the day this is my post from yesterday that i think everyone missed On chez wagon we have activity confirmed town vivax counterclaiming confirmed ff. dead townie tumblewood. sort of likely town acro. Thats 4 very likely to be town players . On the other wagon we have oats, jock chez ticktock and me . Ya there is probably 2 or 3 mafia in that This is actually an argument I like. Idk is there even any way we don't lynch scum today? I'm not sure.
No scratch that, why are you analyzing a votecount with 10 nonvoters. Wtf SL
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I guess I'll lay down the stubbornness and vote with my top town bros LS and Grack
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On March 14 2019 07:59 Acrofales wrote: Kill the guy not saving himself. There's no townie reason not to kill chezinu.
Blaaah I just said the same a while ago and 1 min before lynch you change your mind?
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