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On March 05 2019 00:10 iamperfection wrote:
Palmar
What do make of acro's most recent responses. He calls his whole wagon scummy but doesn't really draw a conclusion from it.
He still doesn't "know " if I'm town despite my extreme aggressiveness and if anyone knows my meta its super obvious im town.
Like to me I'm thinking he's not really trying to figure out alignments.
Like if I'm in his spot he would have to think there is a scum or 2 on his wagon but seems to want to go on oats who is kind of eh.
I had a town feel from Acro earlier and he's too active for me to want to lynch him day 1.
I'm not gonna spend time actively defending him though, go ahead and try to murder him. I usually prefer to lynch shitty scum on day 1 rather than risk killing active players. Active players we can guarantee will provide more information on themselves down the line, whereas inactives will continue being question marks.
I think Acro might be either, but I don't like the idea of killing him and I think it's the best play to find someone who is more useless. I'd rather have scum Acro running around day 3 than scum... Rels or BC or Blazinghand or someone who isn't posting at all.
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The upper part is @slam.
@vivax interesting that you bring up Tina because I was saying that sort of stuff earlier. Did you read conversation with her?
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On March 05 2019 00:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
2 people. Not 5.
And that's not even the entirety of HF's list I mentioned.
Seriously Hf this time I have a really hard time believing what you're writing about palmar.
We bus each other so much
We win neither ever suspected
We do blatant shit and get away with it
Such is TL mafia
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On March 05 2019 00:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 18:03 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 18:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Stop talking about mod stuff HF i hate that What are you talking about? He either copied a pm from the host or forged one: On March 04 2019 03:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 04 2019 03:49 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 03:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 04 2019 03:48 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah, but Sentinel what does YOUR role pm say? On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw Yeah but YOURS. On March 04 2019 03:45 kitaman27 wrote:
You're VT btw I responded to your joke with a joke. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 18:19 Palmar wrote:
I think my wagon (and iamp's to a lesser extent) is a much safer bet for mafia. I'm the conventional choice, the easy choice to make. I'm playing pretty townie, I'm a well known name in all eras of TL Mafia, I have a clear objective etc. I think mafia is less likely to be contrarian like that.
I made this argument first btw. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 18:58 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 18:40 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 17:55 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 17:47 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 17:42 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw Now apologize for playing anti town. I'm probably still going to kill you for playing anti town. Just so we're on the same page. Can't you just give him a slap on the wrist or something? Or at least tell us why his earlier shit outweighs the later stuff in deciding who to kill? Because this just sounds lazy to me. And I need you to be not-lazy so I can sheep you. He needs to repent for his sins and respect authority. I am authority. Also, I don't believe a word he says, I'm like 90% sure he's lying. I think one of two options is the real one here:
a) He read his PM initially, claimed this gambit, got called out on his bullshit and is now trying to pull back from it. b) He didn't read his PM initially, and he didn't read it now. As soon as night falls he'll post "haha I didn't actually read my role PM suckers". I don't think for a second he just didn't read his role PM and then read it without question when told to. People are prideful and his turnaround was... too easy. He didn't resist enough, didn't try to spite me at all for forcing him to do this. Once you do anti town shit it takes a very, very long time for you to get back on my good side. I think there's quite a few obvious reasons Sentinel could do what he's done, as town, and none of them should make him the lynch today. No I know townies do stupid shit all the time. Including playing anti-town. It's the way he's gone about doing the things he did that's suspicious to me. In general people who play mafia think they're better than everyone else and are spiteful assholes. If he genuinely hadn't read his role PM I believe there is absolutely no way he just caved in I read it, thus option b). Now option b) says nothing about his alignment of course, as he still doesn't know it, but that's irrelevant. The option I think cannot be true is c) He didn't read his role PM, then caved in when I pressured him and read his role PM and claimed his role. I just don't think people work like that. Maybe I'm wrong, but yeah. I am very, very certain that either a) or b) is the truth, not c). Between making a case on me based on your own insecurities and having a townread on two of the scummiest players in the game I'm starting to wonder if you're scum. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 19:29 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 19:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Palmar can you explain your town read on damdred? I don't get it really. It's a meta/tonal read based on knowing Damdred. I can't be arsed going back to ensure I have the turn of events exactly right but something like this happened: Some people were kinda suspicious of LS I thought LS was pretty much being LS and looking pretty ok/town Read along towards Damdred casually claiming masons with LS Infer that what Damdred really means is he townreads LS (it was obviously a joke claim) So Damdred made the same read I did, and made a ridiculous claim as a defense of LS because to him (Damdred knows LS very well) it's pretty obvious this isn't mafia LS, at least not obvious mafia LS. It's both the way in which he made the claim, and the fact that his read matched with mine. I like Damdred's tone in other posts as well. I think his "kill from within" town cycle comment had the right amount of funny to not be a mafia trying too hard etc. You're going to have to explain to me like I'm 5 years old because you're the third player in this game that made some implicit assumption LS is town based on his earlier posts and then built everything off of that.
LS is weird, bunch of us know him very well, that whole bunch seems to think he's town.
I can't explain a read based on just knowing a person.
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On March 05 2019 00:54 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 00:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 04 2019 18:03 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 18:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Stop talking about mod stuff HF i hate that What are you talking about? He either copied a pm from the host or forged one: On March 04 2019 03:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 04 2019 03:49 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 03:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 04 2019 03:48 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah, but Sentinel what does YOUR role pm say? On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw Yeah but YOURS. On March 04 2019 03:45 kitaman27 wrote:
You're VT btw I responded to your joke with a joke. On March 04 2019 18:19 Palmar wrote:
I think my wagon (and iamp's to a lesser extent) is a much safer bet for mafia. I'm the conventional choice, the easy choice to make. I'm playing pretty townie, I'm a well known name in all eras of TL Mafia, I have a clear objective etc. I think mafia is less likely to be contrarian like that.
I made this argument first btw. On March 04 2019 18:58 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 18:40 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 17:55 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 17:47 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 17:42 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw Now apologize for playing anti town. I'm probably still going to kill you for playing anti town. Just so we're on the same page. Can't you just give him a slap on the wrist or something? Or at least tell us why his earlier shit outweighs the later stuff in deciding who to kill? Because this just sounds lazy to me. And I need you to be not-lazy so I can sheep you. He needs to repent for his sins and respect authority. I am authority. Also, I don't believe a word he says, I'm like 90% sure he's lying. I think one of two options is the real one here:
a) He read his PM initially, claimed this gambit, got called out on his bullshit and is now trying to pull back from it. b) He didn't read his PM initially, and he didn't read it now. As soon as night falls he'll post "haha I didn't actually read my role PM suckers". I don't think for a second he just didn't read his role PM and then read it without question when told to. People are prideful and his turnaround was... too easy. He didn't resist enough, didn't try to spite me at all for forcing him to do this. Once you do anti town shit it takes a very, very long time for you to get back on my good side. I think there's quite a few obvious reasons Sentinel could do what he's done, as town, and none of them should make him the lynch today. No I know townies do stupid shit all the time. Including playing anti-town. It's the way he's gone about doing the things he did that's suspicious to me. In general people who play mafia think they're better than everyone else and are spiteful assholes. If he genuinely hadn't read his role PM I believe there is absolutely no way he just caved in I read it, thus option b). Now option b) says nothing about his alignment of course, as he still doesn't know it, but that's irrelevant. The option I think cannot be true is c) He didn't read his role PM, then caved in when I pressured him and read his role PM and claimed his role. I just don't think people work like that. Maybe I'm wrong, but yeah. I am very, very certain that either a) or b) is the truth, not c). Between making a case on me based on your own insecurities and having a townread on two of the scummiest players in the game I'm starting to wonder if you're scum. On March 04 2019 19:29 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 19:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Palmar can you explain your town read on damdred? I don't get it really. It's a meta/tonal read based on knowing Damdred. I can't be arsed going back to ensure I have the turn of events exactly right but something like this happened: Some people were kinda suspicious of LS I thought LS was pretty much being LS and looking pretty ok/town Read along towards Damdred casually claiming masons with LS Infer that what Damdred really means is he townreads LS (it was obviously a joke claim) So Damdred made the same read I did, and made a ridiculous claim as a defense of LS because to him (Damdred knows LS very well) it's pretty obvious this isn't mafia LS, at least not obvious mafia LS. It's both the way in which he made the claim, and the fact that his read matched with mine. I like Damdred's tone in other posts as well. I think his "kill from within" town cycle comment had the right amount of funny to not be a mafia trying too hard etc. You're going to have to explain to me like I'm 5 years old because you're the third player in this game that made some implicit assumption LS is town based on his earlier posts and then built everything off of that. LS is weird, bunch of us know him very well, that whole bunch seems to think he's town.I can't explain a read based on just knowing a person.
The whole bunch seem to think the complete opposite lol
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On March 05 2019 00:24 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 00:20 Holyflare wrote:Palmar gonna get mayor lynched  For real though fuck flight delays I'm stuck in the airport forever. Do you really want to turn the first promising game in ages into a goddamn shithole by doing something that idiotic?
If he does it town lynches him 100%. I actually think he's just trolling, but just wanted to get it out there.
If he does lynch an active, townie player he's just mafia and no further questions need to be asked. Even if he was green checked/confirmed it would probably be the right play to lynch him anyway
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On March 05 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 00:54 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2019 00:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 04 2019 18:03 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 18:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Stop talking about mod stuff HF i hate that What are you talking about? He either copied a pm from the host or forged one: On March 04 2019 03:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 04 2019 03:49 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 03:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 04 2019 03:48 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah, but Sentinel what does YOUR role pm say? On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw Yeah but YOURS. On March 04 2019 03:45 kitaman27 wrote:
You're VT btw I responded to your joke with a joke. On March 04 2019 18:19 Palmar wrote:
I think my wagon (and iamp's to a lesser extent) is a much safer bet for mafia. I'm the conventional choice, the easy choice to make. I'm playing pretty townie, I'm a well known name in all eras of TL Mafia, I have a clear objective etc. I think mafia is less likely to be contrarian like that.
I made this argument first btw. On March 04 2019 18:58 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 18:40 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 17:55 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 17:47 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 17:42 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw Now apologize for playing anti town. I'm probably still going to kill you for playing anti town. Just so we're on the same page. Can't you just give him a slap on the wrist or something? Or at least tell us why his earlier shit outweighs the later stuff in deciding who to kill? Because this just sounds lazy to me. And I need you to be not-lazy so I can sheep you. He needs to repent for his sins and respect authority. I am authority. Also, I don't believe a word he says, I'm like 90% sure he's lying. I think one of two options is the real one here:
a) He read his PM initially, claimed this gambit, got called out on his bullshit and is now trying to pull back from it. b) He didn't read his PM initially, and he didn't read it now. As soon as night falls he'll post "haha I didn't actually read my role PM suckers". I don't think for a second he just didn't read his role PM and then read it without question when told to. People are prideful and his turnaround was... too easy. He didn't resist enough, didn't try to spite me at all for forcing him to do this. Once you do anti town shit it takes a very, very long time for you to get back on my good side. I think there's quite a few obvious reasons Sentinel could do what he's done, as town, and none of them should make him the lynch today. No I know townies do stupid shit all the time. Including playing anti-town. It's the way he's gone about doing the things he did that's suspicious to me. In general people who play mafia think they're better than everyone else and are spiteful assholes. If he genuinely hadn't read his role PM I believe there is absolutely no way he just caved in I read it, thus option b). Now option b) says nothing about his alignment of course, as he still doesn't know it, but that's irrelevant. The option I think cannot be true is c) He didn't read his role PM, then caved in when I pressured him and read his role PM and claimed his role. I just don't think people work like that. Maybe I'm wrong, but yeah. I am very, very certain that either a) or b) is the truth, not c). Between making a case on me based on your own insecurities and having a townread on two of the scummiest players in the game I'm starting to wonder if you're scum. On March 04 2019 19:29 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 19:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Palmar can you explain your town read on damdred? I don't get it really. It's a meta/tonal read based on knowing Damdred. I can't be arsed going back to ensure I have the turn of events exactly right but something like this happened: Some people were kinda suspicious of LS I thought LS was pretty much being LS and looking pretty ok/town Read along towards Damdred casually claiming masons with LS Infer that what Damdred really means is he townreads LS (it was obviously a joke claim) So Damdred made the same read I did, and made a ridiculous claim as a defense of LS because to him (Damdred knows LS very well) it's pretty obvious this isn't mafia LS, at least not obvious mafia LS. It's both the way in which he made the claim, and the fact that his read matched with mine. I like Damdred's tone in other posts as well. I think his "kill from within" town cycle comment had the right amount of funny to not be a mafia trying too hard etc. You're going to have to explain to me like I'm 5 years old because you're the third player in this game that made some implicit assumption LS is town based on his earlier posts and then built everything off of that. LS is weird, bunch of us know him very well, that whole bunch seems to think he's town.I can't explain a read based on just knowing a person. The whole bunch seem to think the complete opposite lol
Well, Damdred, rsoultin and I all agree
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Does ls needlessly martyr as scum? Usually a townie thing to do
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On March 05 2019 00:56 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 00:24 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2019 00:20 Holyflare wrote:Palmar gonna get mayor lynched For real though fuck flight delays I'm stuck in the airport forever. Do you really want to turn the first promising game in ages into a goddamn shithole by doing something that idiotic? If he does it town lynches him 100%. I actually think he's just trolling, but just wanted to get it out there. If he does lynch an active, townie player he's just mafia and no further questions need to be asked. Even if he was green checked/confirmed it would probably be the right play to lynch him anyway
No Palmar that's not the world you live in, just the world you wish for.
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On March 05 2019 00:57 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:On March 05 2019 00:54 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2019 00:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 04 2019 18:03 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 18:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Stop talking about mod stuff HF i hate that What are you talking about? He either copied a pm from the host or forged one: On March 04 2019 03:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 04 2019 03:49 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 03:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 04 2019 03:48 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah, but Sentinel what does YOUR role pm say? On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw Yeah but YOURS. On March 04 2019 03:45 kitaman27 wrote:
You're VT btw I responded to your joke with a joke. On March 04 2019 18:19 Palmar wrote:
I think my wagon (and iamp's to a lesser extent) is a much safer bet for mafia. I'm the conventional choice, the easy choice to make. I'm playing pretty townie, I'm a well known name in all eras of TL Mafia, I have a clear objective etc. I think mafia is less likely to be contrarian like that.
I made this argument first btw. On March 04 2019 18:58 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 18:40 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 17:55 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 17:47 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 17:42 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw Now apologize for playing anti town. I'm probably still going to kill you for playing anti town. Just so we're on the same page. Can't you just give him a slap on the wrist or something? Or at least tell us why his earlier shit outweighs the later stuff in deciding who to kill? Because this just sounds lazy to me. And I need you to be not-lazy so I can sheep you. He needs to repent for his sins and respect authority. I am authority. Also, I don't believe a word he says, I'm like 90% sure he's lying. I think one of two options is the real one here:
a) He read his PM initially, claimed this gambit, got called out on his bullshit and is now trying to pull back from it. b) He didn't read his PM initially, and he didn't read it now. As soon as night falls he'll post "haha I didn't actually read my role PM suckers". I don't think for a second he just didn't read his role PM and then read it without question when told to. People are prideful and his turnaround was... too easy. He didn't resist enough, didn't try to spite me at all for forcing him to do this. Once you do anti town shit it takes a very, very long time for you to get back on my good side. I think there's quite a few obvious reasons Sentinel could do what he's done, as town, and none of them should make him the lynch today. No I know townies do stupid shit all the time. Including playing anti-town. It's the way he's gone about doing the things he did that's suspicious to me. In general people who play mafia think they're better than everyone else and are spiteful assholes. If he genuinely hadn't read his role PM I believe there is absolutely no way he just caved in I read it, thus option b). Now option b) says nothing about his alignment of course, as he still doesn't know it, but that's irrelevant. The option I think cannot be true is c) He didn't read his role PM, then caved in when I pressured him and read his role PM and claimed his role. I just don't think people work like that. Maybe I'm wrong, but yeah. I am very, very certain that either a) or b) is the truth, not c). Between making a case on me based on your own insecurities and having a townread on two of the scummiest players in the game I'm starting to wonder if you're scum. On March 04 2019 19:29 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 19:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Palmar can you explain your town read on damdred? I don't get it really. It's a meta/tonal read based on knowing Damdred. I can't be arsed going back to ensure I have the turn of events exactly right but something like this happened: Some people were kinda suspicious of LS I thought LS was pretty much being LS and looking pretty ok/town Read along towards Damdred casually claiming masons with LS Infer that what Damdred really means is he townreads LS (it was obviously a joke claim) So Damdred made the same read I did, and made a ridiculous claim as a defense of LS because to him (Damdred knows LS very well) it's pretty obvious this isn't mafia LS, at least not obvious mafia LS. It's both the way in which he made the claim, and the fact that his read matched with mine. I like Damdred's tone in other posts as well. I think his "kill from within" town cycle comment had the right amount of funny to not be a mafia trying too hard etc. You're going to have to explain to me like I'm 5 years old because you're the third player in this game that made some implicit assumption LS is town based on his earlier posts and then built everything off of that. LS is weird, bunch of us know him very well, that whole bunch seems to think he's town.I can't explain a read based on just knowing a person. The whole bunch seem to think the complete opposite lol Well, Damdred, rsoultin and I all agree
On March 04 2019 07:03 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 07:01 Damdred wrote:On March 04 2019 06:59 rsoultin wrote:On March 04 2019 06:58 Damdred wrote:On March 04 2019 06:56 rsoultin wrote:On March 04 2019 06:52 Damdred wrote:
@sen,
I wanted to give your post a response that was not based on my feeling or tone.
So here we go,
The first thing I will point to is meta for LS, generally speaking he gives a good bit of town reads that seem flimsy early and he always seems to be noncommittal early. This is based off of meta and just not this game precisely. I do not think that this is a good point to have against him, he is always flip floppy on reads and super paranoid.
However there is a great point that his reads lack many scumspects or anything revolving actual verifiable reads that say x is scum.
He also is not as helpful this game as he generally would be, q lot of time he would dig in past games to figure out if player x does x or y.
There is also the point of his weak rage, seemed to be under almost no pressure but this is a bull tell he generally only goes it as town but he broke this as scum years ago so is not something to fall back on.
I think, that there is a chance that he is scum and you are correct Sen just based off the laziness and the lack of discernable scum reads that he is not pushing.
However I do not think hes the best lynch today. But you did lit together a good case. This is a great post for why LS is scum. Just saying. Your right, I basically talked myself out of a hard town read just writing back i stead of on feels. I'd rather still not lynch him today as I think a night/day I could make heads or tails using my charm. But I wont cry and rant otherwise Not you. You're still in the doghouse of not damdying Ha, I was excited for a moment and felt that we had a connection....but seriously I think there are good points there but you have to agree that ls is enough of a hard read sometimes that two days are necessary. I don't have to agree on anything other than I'm floundering all over the place trying to find a good lynch today and will probably just end up sheeping iam or hf like a boob ^^ But I think you and LS and palmar and rayn all have good chances of flipping scum and maybe koshi and maybe chez but maybe not for #reasons and MZ is someone no one is talking about and Iam may be right on acro which gives me what? 8? So I'm wrong somewhere lol ><
On March 04 2019 06:52 Damdred wrote:
@sen,
I wanted to give your post a response that was not based on my feeling or tone.
So here we go,
The first thing I will point to is meta for LS, generally speaking he gives a good bit of town reads that seem flimsy early and he always seems to be noncommittal early. This is based off of meta and just not this game precisely. I do not think that this is a good point to have against him, he is always flip floppy on reads and super paranoid.
However there is a great point that his reads lack many scumspects or anything revolving actual verifiable reads that say x is scum.
He also is not as helpful this game as he generally would be, q lot of time he would dig in past games to figure out if player x does x or y.
There is also the point of his weak rage, seemed to be under almost no pressure but this is a bull tell he generally only goes it as town but he broke this as scum years ago so is not something to fall back on.
I think, that there is a chance that he is scum and you are correct Sen just based off the laziness and the lack of discernable scum reads that he is not pushing.
However I do not think hes the best lynch today. But you did lit together a good case.
They quite literally think the opposite. Prepare to die Palmar.
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On March 05 2019 00:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Does ls needlessly martyr as scum? Usually a townie thing to do
He has done it as mafia to emulate his town play, yes.
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On March 05 2019 00:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Does ls needlessly martyr as scum? Usually a townie thing to do
He's not mafia, just being emotional as usual.
Also turns out rsoultin changed her mind on LS, so who knows what she is. My entire townread on her was based on agreeing with me and damdred about LS
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In case there was any confusion regarding the mechanics of the mayor lynch, the night post will be delayed until the mayor submits their lynch. If the leading candidates do not anticipate being around for the deadline and want to submit their lynch via PM ahead of time, that is fine. The game will be paused until the mayor lynch has been submitted and then the night post will be posted, revealing the alignments and roles of both lynched players.
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On March 05 2019 01:01 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 00:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Does ls needlessly martyr as scum? Usually a townie thing to do He's not mafia, just being emotional as usual. Also turns out rsoultin changed her mind on LS, so who knows what she is. My entire townread on her was based on agreeing with me and damdred about LS
The emotion makes no sense and reads more like a scum not reading properly. no?
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On March 05 2019 01:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 00:57 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:On March 05 2019 00:54 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2019 00:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 04 2019 18:03 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 18:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Stop talking about mod stuff HF i hate that What are you talking about? He either copied a pm from the host or forged one: On March 04 2019 03:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 04 2019 03:49 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 03:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 04 2019 03:48 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah, but Sentinel what does YOUR role pm say? On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw Yeah but YOURS. On March 04 2019 03:45 kitaman27 wrote:
You're VT btw I responded to your joke with a joke. On March 04 2019 18:19 Palmar wrote:
I think my wagon (and iamp's to a lesser extent) is a much safer bet for mafia. I'm the conventional choice, the easy choice to make. I'm playing pretty townie, I'm a well known name in all eras of TL Mafia, I have a clear objective etc. I think mafia is less likely to be contrarian like that.
I made this argument first btw. On March 04 2019 18:58 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 18:40 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 17:55 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 17:47 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 17:42 Palmar wrote:
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Now apologize for playing anti town.
I'm probably still going to kill you for playing anti town. Just so we're on the same page. Can't you just give him a slap on the wrist or something? Or at least tell us why his earlier shit outweighs the later stuff in deciding who to kill? Because this just sounds lazy to me. And I need you to be not-lazy so I can sheep you. He needs to repent for his sins and respect authority. I am authority. Also, I don't believe a word he says, I'm like 90% sure he's lying. I think one of two options is the real one here:
a) He read his PM initially, claimed this gambit, got called out on his bullshit and is now trying to pull back from it. b) He didn't read his PM initially, and he didn't read it now. As soon as night falls he'll post "haha I didn't actually read my role PM suckers". I don't think for a second he just didn't read his role PM and then read it without question when told to. People are prideful and his turnaround was... too easy. He didn't resist enough, didn't try to spite me at all for forcing him to do this. Once you do anti town shit it takes a very, very long time for you to get back on my good side. I think there's quite a few obvious reasons Sentinel could do what he's done, as town, and none of them should make him the lynch today. No I know townies do stupid shit all the time. Including playing anti-town. It's the way he's gone about doing the things he did that's suspicious to me. In general people who play mafia think they're better than everyone else and are spiteful assholes. If he genuinely hadn't read his role PM I believe there is absolutely no way he just caved in I read it, thus option b). Now option b) says nothing about his alignment of course, as he still doesn't know it, but that's irrelevant. The option I think cannot be true is c) He didn't read his role PM, then caved in when I pressured him and read his role PM and claimed his role. I just don't think people work like that. Maybe I'm wrong, but yeah. I am very, very certain that either a) or b) is the truth, not c). Between making a case on me based on your own insecurities and having a townread on two of the scummiest players in the game I'm starting to wonder if you're scum. On March 04 2019 19:29 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 19:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Palmar can you explain your town read on damdred? I don't get it really. It's a meta/tonal read based on knowing Damdred. I can't be arsed going back to ensure I have the turn of events exactly right but something like this happened: Some people were kinda suspicious of LS I thought LS was pretty much being LS and looking pretty ok/town Read along towards Damdred casually claiming masons with LS Infer that what Damdred really means is he townreads LS (it was obviously a joke claim) So Damdred made the same read I did, and made a ridiculous claim as a defense of LS because to him (Damdred knows LS very well) it's pretty obvious this isn't mafia LS, at least not obvious mafia LS. It's both the way in which he made the claim, and the fact that his read matched with mine. I like Damdred's tone in other posts as well. I think his "kill from within" town cycle comment had the right amount of funny to not be a mafia trying too hard etc. You're going to have to explain to me like I'm 5 years old because you're the third player in this game that made some implicit assumption LS is town based on his earlier posts and then built everything off of that. LS is weird, bunch of us know him very well, that whole bunch seems to think he's town.I can't explain a read based on just knowing a person. The whole bunch seem to think the complete opposite lol Well, Damdred, rsoultin and I all agree Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 07:03 rsoultin wrote:On March 04 2019 07:01 Damdred wrote:On March 04 2019 06:59 rsoultin wrote:On March 04 2019 06:58 Damdred wrote:On March 04 2019 06:56 rsoultin wrote:On March 04 2019 06:52 Damdred wrote:
@sen,
I wanted to give your post a response that was not based on my feeling or tone.
So here we go,
The first thing I will point to is meta for LS, generally speaking he gives a good bit of town reads that seem flimsy early and he always seems to be noncommittal early. This is based off of meta and just not this game precisely. I do not think that this is a good point to have against him, he is always flip floppy on reads and super paranoid.
However there is a great point that his reads lack many scumspects or anything revolving actual verifiable reads that say x is scum.
He also is not as helpful this game as he generally would be, q lot of time he would dig in past games to figure out if player x does x or y.
There is also the point of his weak rage, seemed to be under almost no pressure but this is a bull tell he generally only goes it as town but he broke this as scum years ago so is not something to fall back on.
I think, that there is a chance that he is scum and you are correct Sen just based off the laziness and the lack of discernable scum reads that he is not pushing.
However I do not think hes the best lynch today. But you did lit together a good case. This is a great post for why LS is scum. Just saying. Your right, I basically talked myself out of a hard town read just writing back i stead of on feels. I'd rather still not lynch him today as I think a night/day I could make heads or tails using my charm. But I wont cry and rant otherwise Not you. You're still in the doghouse of not damdying Ha, I was excited for a moment and felt that we had a connection....but seriously I think there are good points there but you have to agree that ls is enough of a hard read sometimes that two days are necessary. I don't have to agree on anything other than I'm floundering all over the place trying to find a good lynch today and will probably just end up sheeping iam or hf like a boob ^^ But I think you and LS and palmar and rayn all have good chances of flipping scum and maybe koshi and maybe chez but maybe not for #reasons and MZ is someone no one is talking about and Iam may be right on acro which gives me what? 8? So I'm wrong somewhere lol >< Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 06:52 Damdred wrote:
@sen,
I wanted to give your post a response that was not based on my feeling or tone.
So here we go,
The first thing I will point to is meta for LS, generally speaking he gives a good bit of town reads that seem flimsy early and he always seems to be noncommittal early. This is based off of meta and just not this game precisely. I do not think that this is a good point to have against him, he is always flip floppy on reads and super paranoid.
However there is a great point that his reads lack many scumspects or anything revolving actual verifiable reads that say x is scum.
He also is not as helpful this game as he generally would be, q lot of time he would dig in past games to figure out if player x does x or y.
There is also the point of his weak rage, seemed to be under almost no pressure but this is a bull tell he generally only goes it as town but he broke this as scum years ago so is not something to fall back on.
I think, that there is a chance that he is scum and you are correct Sen just based off the laziness and the lack of discernable scum reads that he is not pushing.
However I do not think hes the best lynch today. But you did lit together a good case. They quite literally think the opposite. Prepare to die Palmar.
Well Damdred doesn't wanna lynch him. at least. Turns out the other example I gave does.
That's something
I don't really pay too much attention to what other people think, they're not me.
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On March 05 2019 00:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Does ls needlessly martyr as scum? Usually a townie thing to do
Could be. That could be exactly why he does it, with a veteran at the helm of the team
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On March 05 2019 00:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like in HF's head:
'behold! I am scum leader palmar and I want all you lesser scums all to vote for me so I can waste the mayor lunch! Bwahahaha!'
Wave/mocsta/ls/chezinu/mz- 'yes sir'
i did mean you were scum when i said you made an awful bad post earlier. however i love this post and some others today have been good so i no longer think scum
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On March 03 2019 20:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I honestly feel that watching you two(Palmar and Rayn) go back and forth on each other screams of two town getting into an argument due to differing reads on players for different reasons.
On March 04 2019 06:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Voted Holyflare as mayor. Of the people running he has clearly stated what he is going to do and thus if he doesn't you can hold him accountable.
Hes also given far more content to look at than the other front runner.
If he's referring to what I think he is, then he owned himself with these two posts.
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On March 05 2019 01:03 Vivax wrote:
7th mafia is BC btw.
Well Ace said BC is mafia and I don't want to lynch Ace right now, which is unusual because he's usually a good day 1 lynch, being mostly useless.
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