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Blazinghand
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On March 07 2019 18:22 Holyflare wrote:
So please look at the people that didn't want to vote you if you're town? Or how about just look at exo who called you town and wanted to lynch you anyway?
ExO and Ace are both suspicious for thinking i'm town and being kind to me when I was actively martyring
On March 07 2019 18:22 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 18:18 Blazinghand wrote:
On top of all that, After spending 24 hours D1 and all of N1 trying to get lynched and shot, it didn't happen. And if it won't happen when I'm actively trying to make it happen, it's not happening. So, there's really no reason to avoid saying things that might get misunderstood and lead people to think I'm scum. who cares? None of you are going to pull together a group big enough that it's going to lynch me anyways. So... I'm free. I can post what I want. I don't have to stop and think about what will build cred, because I have none. I don't have to carefully maneuver to avoid scum trapping me into getting lynched, because as we've seen, it's impossible to lynch me. I've transcended this game. I am beyond suspicion. People just don't want to lynch me, so why should I defend myself? Why should I worry about my appearance, or any pressure anyone puts on me? Feh. I'll analyze what I want to analyze and do what I want, and see if I can find some scum. I'm cursed to play out this game for my hubris, trapped, never lynched, vigied, or nked, no matter what I try. So... I might as well play, and fuck caring about what I look like This is kind of what I was getting at. That would be a ballsy play to make as scum particularly.
Yeah, it would be pretty ballsy to make as scum. Also, I'm probably one of the best scum players on TL Mafia - or I was back in the day, anyways. I'm just a decent town player, mostly skilled in avoiding getting lynched (which is actually a useful skill!) and driving discussion, typically. But as scum I've pulled all kinds of stunts. Once, I pretended that I was moving to a different house, put stuff in boxes and took photos of it, and people let it slide that I wasn't active for a full day. I'm a complete bastard. I'm pretty amazing.
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Blazinghand
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On March 08 2019 01:34 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 18:18 Blazinghand wrote:
On top of all that, After spending 24 hours D1 and all of N1 trying to get lynched and shot, it didn't happen. And if it won't happen when I'm actively trying to make it happen, it's not happening. So, there's really no reason to avoid saying things that might get misunderstood and lead people to think I'm scum. who cares? None of you are going to pull together a group big enough that it's going to lynch me anyways. So... I'm free. I can post what I want. I don't have to stop and think about what will build cred, because I have none. I don't have to carefully maneuver to avoid scum trapping me into getting lynched, because as we've seen, it's impossible to lynch me. I've transcended this game. I am beyond suspicion. People just don't want to lynch me, so why should I defend myself? Why should I worry about my appearance, or any pressure anyone puts on me? Feh. I'll analyze what I want to analyze and do what I want, and see if I can find some scum. I'm cursed to play out this game for my hubris, trapped, never lynched, vigied, or nked, no matter what I try. So... I might as well play, and fuck caring about what I look like Yo. We need you to continue not making this happen, because it sure looks like it's going to happen. We need more analysis from you and less blathering about your hubris and being above the game.
I'm here ittermittently via phone for a few hours from work, then for about 2 hours leading up to the deadline I'm here on a computer. To be honest, in a game riddled with lurkers, where HF has played actively against the town, it's a sign of my poor performance that I've recieved the most votes today. I'm probably not going to get shot N2, and I'm not going to improve in performance going forward - small amounts of analysis and conversation, and pushing one major scumread.
On March 08 2019 01:43 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 01:38 Acrofales wrote:@rsoultin: On March 07 2019 05:37 rsoultin wrote:On March 07 2019 05:35 sicklucker wrote:
if we were gonna yolo lynch I think rels is the guy. he starts getting active as mafia starts winning. very nice. also thinks im scum for some reason which seems forced (omgus) I'm also down for this. If I still feel this way in the morning I'll explain further. But I also am fine with a BH lynch so...yeah lol >< This is a pretty shitty reason to lynch this guy: On March 05 2019 08:59 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, sorry for the poor performance guys. Exo is either more perceptive than most of you, or scum looking for post flip cred, for talking to me like I'm town. Same with Ace.
I really didn't expect the thread to balloon so much. Thabks for killing me early, this is a good plynch. Good luck everyone, and have fun! Why is BH scum? Go. I don't know xD Maybe he's not
A lot of votes have come out of the woodwork while I was asleep with about this level of justification, and now I'm in the lead. Pretty annoying. RIP
On March 08 2019 02:13 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 01:57 rsoultin wrote:
I agree. I just don't see him ever being lynched over HF, BH or alternatively a low-posting lurker like ExO_ if people decided they don't want to lynch the former two.
And honestly I'm not really too interested in lynching someone I don't strongly feel is scum? Cause I think BH has a slightly larger chance of flipping town than scum but I wouldn't wager a so much as a quarter on it lol ><
You’re probably right. Too bad there’s quite a few who want to kill Ace. I feel the same about BH.
Hmmm maybe the rule of Browns little brother the rule of LS will hold this game.
I'd really prefer to kill HF. ExO and Ace both have seemed suspicious to me, but HF needs to be top priority imo.
On March 08 2019 02:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At this point i am going to politely inform that i am not going to change my vote and fuck you all.
This could easily lead to my horrible lynching but I like your moxie kid
On March 08 2019 04:21 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 04:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 08 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oh btw from now on i am gonna be a little bitch and report all "offences" to hosts because they can be hurstful to a soul of some person..... so no swearing, no anything else. inbetween tl rules you idiots. i am done with me getting all the shit for nothing. You know what always cheers me up? Sifaka lemurs: + Show Spoiler +Look at em. Lovely things. That did cheer me up  Lets go back to this: Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 22:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 07 2019 22:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 07 2019 22:32 Jockmcplop wrote:I'm leaning heavily towards a scum read on BH right now. The more he posts the more scummy his motivations seem to be. His attacks on hf look as if he has made them up on the spot in an effort to try and paint hf as mafia, rather than coming to natural conclusions about hf from available evidence. The best example of this is the following post: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence. He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage. On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby Ok, so what is the point of town!HF to claim a fake vig shot? I didn't incorporate it in my case, because it's mostly wifom, but I really don't see it: 1. He made a big play and it backfired spectacularly. 2. He makes another big play just for shit and giggles? WTF? Now, lets say BH had gotten vig'd. We'd have a townie counterclaiming the vig shot, and today would have been an even bigger shitshow. Lynch all liars is a damned good policy for a reason, because even if townies *do* do this kind of stupid shit, it is blatantly anti-town play. And the *second* time HF does a big anti-town play in the same damn game. That's true, but doesn't say anything about the point I am making. This story BH is telling is meaningless, as if he needed something completely made up to emphasize his argument for some reason. Also, if we are lynching people for anti-town play, what about the whole of D1/N1 from BH? Blatant anti-town play that has no upside or no possible upside for town. You say BH is scummy for making up a narrative. While the narrative is of course pure speculation, it's just a funny way of presenting the problem here: FACT: HF claimed vigilante FACT: HF is not a vigilante CONCLUSION: HF fakeclaimed vigilante. So there are two options: HF is town and fakeclaimed vigilante, or HF is scum and fakeclaimed vigilante. You seem to lean towards it being town!HF fakeclaiming vigilante, because in his own words, he was adding "suspense" around the daypost. I mean.. sure, he has shown so far that HF only really cares about HF, so he might just have done it for the shit of it, but you ignored the whole conundrum of my post earlier. How do you explain town!HF not even thinking that there was a real vig that would really shoot BH?
Hilariously, I think a few of the people voting me just never noticed HF's fakeclaim :shrugs:
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Blazinghand
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On March 08 2019 04:30 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 04:21 Acrofales wrote:On March 08 2019 04:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 08 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oh btw from now on i am gonna be a little bitch and report all "offences" to hosts because they can be hurstful to a soul of some person..... so no swearing, no anything else. inbetween tl rules you idiots. i am done with me getting all the shit for nothing. You know what always cheers me up? Sifaka lemurs: + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RiZElNNpAY Look at em. Lovely things. That did cheer me up Lets go back to this: On March 07 2019 22:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 07 2019 22:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 07 2019 22:32 Jockmcplop wrote:I'm leaning heavily towards a scum read on BH right now. The more he posts the more scummy his motivations seem to be. His attacks on hf look as if he has made them up on the spot in an effort to try and paint hf as mafia, rather than coming to natural conclusions about hf from available evidence. The best example of this is the following post: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence. He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage. On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby Ok, so what is the point of town!HF to claim a fake vig shot? I didn't incorporate it in my case, because it's mostly wifom, but I really don't see it: 1. He made a big play and it backfired spectacularly. 2. He makes another big play just for shit and giggles? WTF? Now, lets say BH had gotten vig'd. We'd have a townie counterclaiming the vig shot, and today would have been an even bigger shitshow. Lynch all liars is a damned good policy for a reason, because even if townies *do* do this kind of stupid shit, it is blatantly anti-town play. And the *second* time HF does a big anti-town play in the same damn game. That's true, but doesn't say anything about the point I am making. This story BH is telling is meaningless, as if he needed something completely made up to emphasize his argument for some reason. Also, if we are lynching people for anti-town play, what about the whole of D1/N1 from BH? Blatant anti-town play that has no upside or no possible upside for town. You say BH is scummy for making up a narrative. While the narrative is of course pure speculation, it's just a funny way of presenting the problem here: FACT: HF claimed vigilante FACT: HF is not a vigilante CONCLUSION: HF fakeclaimed vigilante. So there are two options: HF is town and fakeclaimed vigilante, or HF is scum and fakeclaimed vigilante. You seem to lean towards it being town!HF fakeclaiming vigilante, because in his own words, he was adding "suspense" around the daypost. I mean.. sure, he has shown so far that HF only really cares about HF, so he might just have done it for the shit of it, but you ignored the whole conundrum of my post earlier. How do you explain town!HF not even thinking that there was a real vig that would really shoot BH? I mean... who cares if there was a real vig? I could just rescind my claim or get killed which, again, would make my position a 1 for 1 trade if I survived somehow (which I wouldn't in this case) which I would never like.
You've mentioned a few times that you've provided evidence that you do this kind of last second fakeclaim as town and have done so before - can you link to a game or state the name of a game in which you did this?
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Blazinghand
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On March 08 2019 04:40 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 03:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Blazinghand (11): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, AMG, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock
Holyflare (9): Acrofales, Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Vivax, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Fecalfeast, Ace
Ace (2): Jockmcplop, Tumblewood
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Acrofales (1): raynpelikoneet
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni,
Damdred (1): Meapak_Ziphh
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Friday, Mar 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw?
Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other...
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Blazinghand
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Man let me tell you i've really been enjoying watching people limp in onto my wagon after I pointed out they are lurking
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Blazinghand
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On March 08 2019 05:48 Vivax wrote:
Looks like Ill have to vote BH then to ensure this isnt another fuckup day.
so now that HF wagon is no longer in the lead, and the BH wagon is in the lead, you've swapped your vote from the HF wagon to the BH wagon to... what, exactly?
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Blazinghand
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On March 08 2019 05:51 sicklucker wrote:
ill be at work for the deadline. so i assume bh is pretty locked in dead here?
I have 12 votes and HF has 9. I'm pretty locked in dead if everyone isn't around for the deadline, but I think it's entirely possible I will live and HF will get lynched.
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Blazinghand
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On March 08 2019 05:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 05:51 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 05:48 Vivax wrote:
Looks like Ill have to vote BH then to ensure this isnt another fuckup day. so now that HF wagon is no longer in the lead, and the BH wagon is in the lead, you've swapped your vote from the HF wagon to the BH wagon to... what, exactly? So now that your only 2 points of why I'm mafia have been disproved by a lot of people in the game that aren't just me, why are you still voting me?
You still shot Palmar. And to be honest I'm still voting you at this point because while I am only modestly sure you are scum based on your fakeclaim, you still have treated me in a way that only makes sense if you are a mega-asshole or if you are scum. Also, I know I'm town, and there's no wagon to be had on Ace or Exo. Even if I were 50%+ sure you are town (which I am not, btw) I'd still vote you in a situation where it's you or me.
I get the feeling you realized there's a good chance I'm town a while ago, and you're still voting me, after all.
And yeah, admitting this makes me look bad, but it's the truth.
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Blazinghand
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On March 08 2019 05:54 sicklucker wrote:
Well if we dont kill hf now hes never dying. So ill just have to asume hes town if thats happening and pray mafia nk him and reevaluate if I dont kill. I dont think we have the votes to kill him today is what im trying to say. so lets set up a side wagon to bh. But fuck I dont have enough time
We only need like 3 votes on HF. please vote him and stay on him. Don't say "let's just assume he's town for no reason because he's too good at convincing people to ever be able for us to lynch him" wtf
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Blazinghand
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Alternatively, we could get a show of hands before shenannying onto another wagon
Who's down for Ace?
Who's down for Exo?
Who's down for Wiggles?
And if we have enough for any of these 3, we go for it, thereby saving me :V
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Blazinghand
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On March 08 2019 05:59 Vivax wrote:
Seems lazy I know, but Im pretty happy with just judging him off his early posts alone. Today is scum vs scum and in that case making a third wagon is pointless.
If it's scum vs scum, can we do HF first pls
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Blazinghand
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Like what's the actual justification for "I was voting for HF, then the BH wagon took the lead, so I hopped to that"
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Blazinghand
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On March 08 2019 06:07 Ace wrote:
Hey guys - stop saying there's no chance you'll lynch HolyScum so you'll start another wagon. Just keep your vote on him and let the lynch go through
Focus!
ugh... urk... ok i'll say it: "Ace is right"
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Blazinghand
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Fuck, there's like 3 people all of whom are not voting for HF because they don't think HF will get enough votes, and if they voted for him, he'd have enough votes. What's wrong with you people?
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Blazinghand
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Ok, it's my final hour, and I'm here from now to the end. there's a certain humor to actively trying to get lycnhed D1, and it not happening, and complaining that HF didn't do it D1 so he made it happen today, heh. This possibility (wasting D2 lynching me) was why HF didn't shoot me and instead shot Palmar btw.
In a sense, I'm glad to be going in an hour. This game was too large to read when I arrived in it, and it hasn't gotten any easier to read since then. Any questions for me? Barring some serious shenannies I'm about to be modconfirmed town so let me know
warning: I will not read the whole thread or whatever, but i'll give thoughts on specific events
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Blazinghand
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On March 08 2019 08:00 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 07:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Should we switch to HF? There's a little imp in my head that wants to watch him swing. If its just us two we can make it 11 to 10 and see what happens. sure.
DO IT
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Blazinghand
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On March 08 2019 08:08 Vivax wrote:
BH in a world where you are mafia, what do you think your scum buddies would have done if you came out of the blue and started martyring on Day 1?
depends on how many of them are lurkers, but probably you'd want at least two of them on my wagon, and at least one pushing me moderately. Stick a couple on the Trfel wagon as well, but have them be lower content players, and dont' have them limp in at the last moment. If someone has to limp in at the last moment on a close lynch like this, they're better off voting the scum wagon. And of course, having 1 or 2 irrelevant side wagon voters is ideal, since town has so many already, you want to blend in there.
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Blazinghand
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there's a big temptation to have the entire scumteam bus a martyring scum, but this isn't actually the best way to do it. Town sees through that kind of thing pretty quick, and you don't actually farm up that much cred by bussing a martyr. In fact, if you have the skills for it, maximum cred would come from pushing hard and in an organized way for the T lynch
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Blazinghand
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On March 08 2019 08:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
##Unvote: Damdred
##Vote: Wiggles
nice work M_Z I can see you are having a big impact
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Blazinghand
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Way to derail that Damdred train and really drive the Wiggles train home
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