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On March 07 2019 09:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You somehow think being consistent is a town trait while in fact its completely non-alignment indicative.
I can see consistency wasnt the right word to convey what I meant.
Treat it as, Acrofales has enough references in his filter to trace his position over time - instead of it being in his head.
I personally think its taxing to do this as scum with more than 2 or 3 people.
We arent talking about 1 line mentions, he has a defendable (read: quotable) position.
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On March 07 2019 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Mocsta; saying "palmar lynch oats and whoever that was after i get lynched" is faaaaaar from trying to convince palmar to change his mayor lynch target. i acknowledged this via (limply)
but it doesnt change that I feel you over embellished that point.
Regardless, I want to know why acrofales flipped his read on sentinel.
I can seriously consider a lynch based on that. I dont see how a palmar or trfel should change his read on sentinel at all.
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look. i could consider a world where acro filter is too clean in that, its too quotable/defensible.
Thats not a good sign. I dont really feel like doing that, until i get an answer about sentinel first.
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On March 07 2019 09:48 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 09:45 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2019 09:32 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 09:29 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2019 08:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ace case is meh, if this was his first game he’s mafia but it’s not so meh On March 07 2019 08:30 Mocsta wrote:
As for ace. walk me through that logic. What has he done specifically that makes him scummy if he played the first time? On March 07 2019 08:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Read the cases again that’s what it is lol Lets try this again  All im asking for is that you comment on what you found could be scummy about Ace. Its a 2 page filter so is one of the easiest things in this game to reply about. https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?user=Ace So you want me to reiterate what other people have said? yes, that would be lovely. Maybe sometime What are we dancing around?
If you agree with others, surely its as easy to respond to me, as it is to give a quote.
Hes either scummy or not scummy.
Do you think its not scummy that Ace never followed through with his only scum read on BloodyCobbler?
Do you think its not scummy that Ace random voted Koshi instead of BC?
Do you think its not scummy that Ace pushed Trfel to claim, and was ignorant about HF mayor lynch intentions?
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yes
i was about to read the exchanges between you + acro.
but go on.
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On March 07 2019 10:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Which ones do we agree on (not putting acro here);
- ace, the thing you sais
- bh, no need to explain(?)
- wiggles, uninterested in game solving, also had this weird post defending acro for me attacking vocal player (called it fear mongering), then in same post says dont lynch ace because we have bigger fish to fry rofl
- sicklucker; imo too calm and had the susp post about reducing mafia kp which imo points out towards scum because whenever i feel like he has extra information he is scum (or blue but not blue here)
- onegu; always interested in my alignment or^and what i think of him when he is town. Now zero, nada
Idk who else
Yes to ace
I dont have a position on BH to be honest. I was waiting for HF to spell out what his lynch would reveal.
I can look into him?
Wiggles - I agree, seems aloof/uninvested. I didnt realise the call away from ace. i know its pre-flip, but I like it!
SL - no idea. would have to read
Onegu - yes can lynch. Absolutely useless
Who else? What about damdred / sentinel / ExO / darthfoley
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On March 07 2019 10:41 Fecalfeast wrote:
i read some recent stuff
agree with mocsta on ace even if he has been a little tunneled on it and will be voting ace
acro sentinel bloodycobbler bh hf I would easily lynch off the top of my head other than ace
rayn mocsta wave and I think MZ are strong towns for me at this point
I'd prefer if someone would ask me stuff rather than idle reading with so much content to parse though I have been trumpeted ace because many have skirted around commenting - But no one is shitting on the observations being WRONG.
The only counter has been, "we expect more from ace" which is not a reason to town read someone.
I think the the resistance without proven wrong, is a good sign that the trail is valid.
I would consider swapping to sentinel though.
I need to undersatnd what information it woudl glean first. i.e. if he is town, will it confirm anyone is scum. Otherwise, I dont see the risk/reward return over Ace.
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On March 07 2019 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sentinel i think is town. When i was mafia wiith him (the infamous Noir game where you fakeclaimed medic twice) he had serious issues putting together even ANY single post. I basically played the game for him. I can see why people think he is scummy even after he read his role but i think even that is out of his mafia posting range.
Others no idea. At the start of the game i thought exo is town but i havent revisited him since and i dont remember anything from any of those ppl. ok, thats fair points on sentinel. I checked database, and as mafia hes been lynched day 1,2,3 more often than survived. so it lines up.
This most recent mafia effort (2014) he was lynched D3. Filter for anyone that cares.
so i townread oats, and if sentinel is oats.
in scum!acro world. pushing sentinel/oats/mocsta is all the same thing.
Which could go someway to explaining not going hard to influence palmar. . or at miniimum, point palmar in that direction.
especially after (acro) changed his mind on sentinel
i will give you that.
hmm, once im done reading you + acro. i will give damdred a go.
BH has like a 6p filter (surprisingly) . feels too much effort for me right now.
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On March 07 2019 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta, Ace is really scummy and I would Lynch him after hf and bh die. So I was like he’s too scummy to be scum but then I was like he’s really scummy though and then I was like if I remove his name would I lynch and then I was like yeah so yeah he mafia Hi oats, one more thing please.
Do you think HF and BH are both scum?
I can see a world where you want one of HF/BH over Ace. but I dont understand why both.
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On March 07 2019 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 11:12 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2019 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta, Ace is really scummy and I would Lynch him after hf and bh die. So I was like he’s too scummy to be scum but then I was like he’s really scummy though and then I was like if I remove his name would I lynch and then I was like yeah so yeah he mafia Hi oats, one more thing please. Do you think HF and BH are both scum? I can see a world where you want one of HF/BH over Ace. but I dont understand why both. Why not? Bh was useless, lamp was like let’s go and everyone followed then bh marytred but in the end, holyflare didn’t mayor kill BH so why can’t they both be mafia? if you could mayor lynch one of HF/BH right now.
Do you think one is more likely to flip scum?
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On March 07 2019 11:29 Alakaslam wrote:
His inconsistencies make sense in the context of their timings. He scumread BC, yes, but he also thought lynchin Palmar was a good idea too.
Morale to floor after that. Im not following what you mean:
(1) He scumread BC before voting Koshi?
On March 04 2019 06:12 Ace wrote:
Awww shit it's ScumC0bbler 😁 On March 05 2019 05:43 Ace wrote:
##Vote:Koshi
(2) Where does he think lynching palmar is a good idea?
On March 05 2019 08:58 Ace wrote:
@BC: where did I say I want Palmar killed???
(3) If he lost morale, why would he so invested to be caught up enough to comment on trfel?
On March 05 2019 08:58 Ace wrote:
@trfel: I think you should seriously claim if lynch noise bout to drop.
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On March 06 2019 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 23:40 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 23:29 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 22:47 Acrofales wrote:
Also, my Mocsta case? Huh? I haven't cased Mocsta. I definitely didn't case him D1 I never said you cased him. I said you scumread him and Palmar scumread him, which you both did. Except... I didn't. At least not by the time it actually mattered. Who were the mayoral candidates going to lynch when you did have a scumread on Mocsta? Who the fuck knows, or cares? I mean. What on earth in my filter gives you at all the impression that mocsta was ever my main scumspect. Like, at *any* point in the game ever? I dont care if Mocsta was your top 1 or top 5 scumread but you and Palmar agreed on Mocsta being mafia at some point when all mayors wanted to kill your townreads and you didnt do fucking shit. How fucking hard is this to explain? Are you like 5 yrs old? Fuck, i get your point finally. The issue isnt that acro didnt push his scum reads. Its that he didnt push them when his townreads were on the mayor candidate block. yeah... i get it.
OK. this shit needs to be timestamped.. lets jump in.
this took a while to compile. gonna take a break before actually reading it.
but I posting as is, cos a relevant compilation to sequence of events.
PREGAMEOn February 28 2019 10:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I will be here but I probably won't get around to reading my role PM until N1
INGAME
On March 03 2019 00:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Not reading my role PM until N1 ftr
On March 03 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
I will lynch sentinel this cycle with a mayor vote by the way. Not only are his posts pointless blending but if you want an excuse for a policy lynch he is it.
On March 03 2019 19:17 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 19:12 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2019 18:56 Holyflare wrote:On March 03 2019 18:47 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:On March 03 2019 18:30 Tubesock wrote:On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever. On March 03 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:
Don't really get any of the rayn town reads. He's a complete non entity. Not really a case but you did scumread him. Wouldn't say that's a scum read. If anything it's the scummy side of null and was more an extrapolation of everyone else's mindsets on rayn than a read on him. I just didn't agree with people town reading rayn and didn't understand how they reached that conclusion when he's mediocre af. Ok. If Oats didn’t hilariously get your filter incorrect, or at least say all your posts were serious, would you think he’s any different than his normal grouchy mcgroucherson town self? To me his entrance where every single person in the game is scum is normal town for him. Last I saw him as scum (years ago I know) he threw out maybe 4 scumreads and was a little less abrasive. Much less wave making than this game. I don't think he's any different from his scum or town game that I remember. It seems to be a scum team strat to push me though because I don't think I've done anything underhanded or misguided this entire game. Just been honest and forthcoming yet have two people with somehow overwhelmingly strong scum reads on me. Seems majorly fabricated. Oats had x amount of scum reads based on people that voted other people for mayor (which I didn't!) yet have you heard anything in depth about anyone other than me? You’re right he spends most his time in you. But that’s because someone asks him, he explained a couple other reads. Much of his scumreads are try hards. Looks like Sentinel is winning the vote, if he’s lynch would you kill Oats? @sentinel & Palmar voters, isn’t voting for both of them redundant? If I am mayor and sentinel is lynched I will just lynch whoever is second in votes. Don't really care about it and at least it will give us a better idea on wagon splits.
On March 03 2019 22:49 Holyflare wrote:
Sentinel is the mayor kill. We should be voting for who we think is mafia.
On March 04 2019 02:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder. My vote will never be on anyone other than Sentinel as mayor. If he claims a role pm being read then it will be on whoever is the second highest vote, as I've stated. I don't think I'm a "wild cannon" like you purport. More so Palmar will be just doing what he wants and that is far more detrimental when he self reportedly doesn't play weekends and has only really come up with a Sentinel policy lynch and some mediocre writings (although not awful to read, just no drive).
On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw
On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote:
I'm here and caught up. There's a few posts in specific that I want to respond to, but in general:
1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. I will respond in more detail when I get to it, but his whole case is dumb. For starters, neither sicklucker nor oats are lurkers. Moreover, I quite obviously excluded the real lurkers. I want to kill the people who are popping into the thread, not contributing and fucking off. Not the people who weren't here at all. Iamp wanting to lynch me for dumb shit isn't new, and he's always wrong. He eats out of my hand when I'm scum and wants to lynch me when I'm town. And this is all I remember about him from 5 years ago. It's always fun. I'll decide later whether this was a scummy push, though. He hasn't done much of use other than his "case" on me, whcih he started before I had even gotten into this thread proper. Anyway, I don't think he is a good lynch target for D1. He usually starts to see the light eventually when he's town, and if he isn't, we can kill him tomorrow. Better stuff to do today.
2. No longer want to kill Sent. But the reason Palmar gets the votes is because he was clear and concise about his aims, whereas HF had many different goals. Now that sent claims he read his PM, and has actually started playing a bit, I don't think he's a good kill anymore. @Palmar: do you still plan on murdering sent?
3. I'm still quite happy with Palmar for mayor, his posts have been townie enough for me and I trust him to find scum a lot more than I do HF.
4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it.
On March 04 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote:
My mayor lynch will be on Palmar by the way.
On March 04 2019 18:19 Palmar wrote:
As a sidenote, I actually think all the top mayor wagons are town. I think the least likely wagon to have many mafia on it is HF. I think my wagon is appealing to mafia, I think iamp's wagon is also appealing. I think smaller wagons and not voting yet is even more appealing to mafia.
The reason I think mafia is unlikely to be on HF's wagon is that it's a raggedy bunch of contrarians, baddies and outright trolls. I think these protest votes are actually more likely to be town.
I think my wagon (and iamp's to a lesser extent) is a much safer bet for mafia. I'm the conventional choice, the easy choice to make. I'm playing pretty townie, I'm a well known name in all eras of TL Mafia, I have a clear objective etc. I think mafia is less likely to be contrarian like that.
It's somewhat similar to my thoughts on sentinel, he might be mafia because he wasn't enough of a difficult assholes. If there is one way to describe the people on HF's wagon, including HF himself, it's "difficult assholes".
On March 04 2019 18:40 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 17:55 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 17:47 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 17:42 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw Now apologize for playing anti town. I'm probably still going to kill you for playing anti town. Just so we're on the same page. Can't you just give him a slap on the wrist or something? Or at least tell us why his earlier shit outweighs the later stuff in deciding who to kill? Because this just sounds lazy to me. And I need you to be not-lazy so I can sheep you. He needs to repent for his sins and respect authority. I am authority. Also, I don't believe a word he says, I'm like 90% sure he's lying. I think one of two options is the real one here:
a) He read his PM initially, claimed this gambit, got called out on his bullshit and is now trying to pull back from it. b) He didn't read his PM initially, and he didn't read it now. As soon as night falls he'll post "haha I didn't actually read my role PM suckers". I don't think for a second he just didn't read his role PM and then read it without question when told to. People are prideful and his turnaround was... too easy. He didn't resist enough, didn't try to spite me at all for forcing him to do this. Once you do anti town shit it takes a very, very long time for you to get back on my good side. I think there's quite a few obvious reasons Sentinel could do what he's done, as town, and none of them should make him the lynch today.
On March 04 2019 18:58 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 18:40 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 17:55 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 17:47 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 17:42 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw Now apologize for playing anti town. I'm probably still going to kill you for playing anti town. Just so we're on the same page. Can't you just give him a slap on the wrist or something? Or at least tell us why his earlier shit outweighs the later stuff in deciding who to kill? Because this just sounds lazy to me. And I need you to be not-lazy so I can sheep you. He needs to repent for his sins and respect authority. I am authority. Also, I don't believe a word he says, I'm like 90% sure he's lying. I think one of two options is the real one here:
a) He read his PM initially, claimed this gambit, got called out on his bullshit and is now trying to pull back from it. b) He didn't read his PM initially, and he didn't read it now. As soon as night falls he'll post "haha I didn't actually read my role PM suckers". I don't think for a second he just didn't read his role PM and then read it without question when told to. People are prideful and his turnaround was... too easy. He didn't resist enough, didn't try to spite me at all for forcing him to do this. Once you do anti town shit it takes a very, very long time for you to get back on my good side. I think there's quite a few obvious reasons Sentinel could do what he's done, as town, and none of them should make him the lynch today. No I know townies do stupid shit all the time. Including playing anti-town. It's the way he's gone about doing the things he did that's suspicious to me. In general people who play mafia think they're better than everyone else and are spiteful assholes. If he genuinely hadn't read his role PM I believe there is absolutely no way he just caved in I read it, thus option b). Now option b) says nothing about his alignment of course, as he still doesn't know it, but that's irrelevant. The option I think cannot be true is c) He didn't read his role PM, then caved in when I pressured him and read his role PM and claimed his role. I just don't think people work like that. Maybe I'm wrong, but yeah. I am very, very certain that either a) or b) is the truth, not c).
On March 04 2019 19:06 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 19:02 Palmar wrote:
Rayn looks pretty bad as well, if only for the fact he's not berating some poor soul right now. K. I'm comfortable sheeping Palmar. Rayn not being abusive feels like he's trying to fly under the radar. Now, if you can just vote Oats, I can afk the rest of the day
On March 04 2019 19:09 Palmar wrote:
I guess the summary of people I have opinions on:
Town read:
iamperfection
Damdred
Town lean:
Holyflare
Lightningstrike
WaveofShadow
Acrofales
rsoultin
Scum lean:
rayn
Scum read:
Sentinel
Mocsta
As I write this... holy shit do I need to form opinions ona bunch of people.
On March 04 2019 19:56 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 19:42 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 19:37 Acrofales wrote:
And @iamp: I'm getting to you. I need a PC tho, so hold on. But I don't think you'll like that I haven't come to a conclusion on your alignment. You're null. Iamp looks pretty town and has a case out on you, you need to work your ass off to stay alive if you're town. I'm at about max work on this thread that I plan to do this game, so if that isn't enough, I die. I flip green and you lynch the shit out of Oats, Mocsta and all the other opportunistic scumshits who hopped on my wagon with little/no reasoning. Maybe you lynch Iamp too, because 90% of the reason he looks so town to people is because of his case on me and his push for it. Anyway, at a PC, so I'll post my thoughts on Iamp, and then I'll get to work writing the paper that I need to finish today.
On March 04 2019 20:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 19:35 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 19:29 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 19:27 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 19:20 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 07:29 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 07:22 Holyflare wrote:
Acro, wave, oats, rayn, chez, ls, mocsta(?) (+a shit tonne of others that elude me) will be the lynch today. There's really so many people I could easily lynch and just not care tbh. Acro is town. Wave, oats I'm on board with. Rayn is a no. Your fight with him didn't give me scum vibes on either of you. Just made me want to tear my hair out.
Chez also a no. He seems fine. LS I can't figure out, and can't be bothered to right now as I already have enough ppl I want to lynch. Mocsta said before the game he wouldn't be around and he wasn't around. His few posts don't seem scummy, but he'd better start playing tomorrow. Mate you really are mafia lol ? He's pointing out you seem to have switched opinions on rayn I have. The longer rayn goes without shitting up the thread the more I suspect him of scummy shenanigans. That's not to say scumrayn isn't an abusive asshole. He's generally more tunnelly as scum than as town, at least in my obviously imperfect recollection. But rayn is being uncharacteristically passive and the longer it goes the more I suspect him. Town rayn shits up the thread trying to find scum. Scum rayn shits up the thread for the sake of shitting up the thread. But rayn never doesn't shut up the thread. New behavior is weird. And probably scum weird. Why does rayn's activity have anything to do with his alignment? Palmar should also know this, and it's why he's mafia because it's a poor excuse to scum read rayn when there's plenty of other reasons to. Rayn works long hours so often goes long times without activity. The last thing he did when he was here was shit up the thread. This is a poor flip flop acro.
On March 05 2019 01:37 Holyflare wrote:
If sentinel is town what do you expect him to do (especially if he is potentially blue)?
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On March 06 2019 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 23:56 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 23:40 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 23:29 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 22:47 Acrofales wrote:
Also, my Mocsta case? Huh? I haven't cased Mocsta. I definitely didn't case him D1 I never said you cased him. I said you scumread him and Palmar scumread him, which you both did. Except... I didn't. At least not by the time it actually mattered. Who were the mayoral candidates going to lynch when you did have a scumread on Mocsta? Who the fuck knows, or cares? I mean. What on earth in my filter gives you at all the impression that mocsta was ever my main scumspect. Like, at *any* point in the game ever? I dont care if Mocsta was your top 1 or top 5 scumread but you and Palmar agreed on Mocsta being mafia at some point when all mayors wanted to kill your townreads and you didnt do fucking shit. How fucking hard is this to explain? Are you like 5 yrs old? 1) I didn't ever strong townread Sentinel. I thought he didn't look as bad as Palmar did, but I would have been perfectly happy to sheep Palmar. 2) I didn't ever hava a strong scumread on Mocsta. So I definitely wasn't going to bother convincing Palmar around 15 hours before the lynch to kill Mocsta instead. If I did have a strong read, I would have tried to have him lynched. But I didn't. So I didn't. WHY ARE YOU NITPICKING THIS WITHOUT EVEN READING WHAT HAPPENED? Why arent you answering the question? You just outlined everything i said without answering the question. This is not about "why didnt you wanna kill Mocsta", this is about why didn't you do anything at all. hmmm you are right.
acro has a major anomaly here
states he doesnt want to kill sent. asks palmar if he still wants to kill sent.
justifies sticking with palmar because of the read on rayn
lightly pushes oats, even though palmar strongly indicates me + sent are in his top 2 mayor lynches
went to the effort of writing a huge case on oats, I would have thought acro would push this harder onto palmar to avoid his town read sentinel being lynched.
i think the situation i had where I voted palmars read on conversion, and mayored hf who lynched palmar is different. Because there was an element of tilt, so I was looking at things as two separate events.
Acro doesnt have this issue D1, so i think it scummy.
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On March 07 2019 12:06 Ace wrote:Holyflare is Scum https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27283802 <---bullshit filter dive in fact, there are just too many posts that show he isn't scum hunting. It's either a lax attempt to show what someone else did wrong, asking "what should we do now?" type questions, or just filler. Outside of this, he killed Palmar. The entire reason behind my Day 1 post was to tie any mayor candidate to their lynch choice. It's not just that he didn't lynch Sentinel - if he had justifiable reasons then so be it. But he lynched Palmar and his reasoning rests on because he thought he was scum. Seriously. This guy should be the obvious lynch. How many people really thought Palmar was scum? He just did it because he could.And even if you somehow don't believe he's Scum he is clearly a net negative for the Town. He literally has done nothing - and this is coming from a guy who's been afk, caught up on only 30 pages or so and sees the nonsense plain as day. The nightkills - 3 dead. All Town. I refuse, literally refuse to think a vigilante shot any of them over Holyfield. Like it seems unfathomable that the targets would end up at Marv, Iamp, or Koshi (lol wut?). Especially with one being Vet and dying (maybe Rb + shot). If there's a third party out there, I think it goes without saying you should start shooting scum or clashing flips from now on Lastly, I saw something about marv playing cop wrong. I actually think he made himself "obvious town" or whatever you want to call it and should have drawn night protection. Especially since he was a replacement with fresh eyes into the game. Maybe we have no more docs or the kill went through somehow. Either way I think it's worth backtracking him and iamps posts (-2 nightlife means very desperate kill) especially. ohh man.. my take from this is that ace is the 3rd party lol
this is hilarious
sigh
im close to unvoting.
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On March 07 2019 13:32 Ace wrote:https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27285311Mocsta I like your post :D Firstly, I got mod prodded. Regarding Mayor, I was never going to run. However, you're idea that I didn't "care" about who got Mayor is spot on. I really did not care whether HF or Palmar got it. I was more so interested in binding them to an opinion on who to lynch. If they deviated from that without sensible reasoning or flip/flopped I would find it extremely suspect. Asking about lynching Palmar is not the same as saying I definitely want Palmar lynched. I also did not have a strong opinion on scum read till BC near EOD. I screwed up in not moving my vote before deadline but I was wishy/washy on Trfel. Also, I tend to not give strong opinions on people until I'm ready to do so. I've also been out of the thread for long periods of time so some of my posts may seem disjointed - I'm trying to play catch up and will not voice every thought that comes to mind or may even forget some conversations. But really, I do like the post! ohh man cant afford to lynch. town needs all the spare bullets we have left
##Unvote
Work with us on acro pls
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On March 07 2019 13:46 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 13:42 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2019 13:32 Ace wrote:https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27285311Mocsta I like your post :D Firstly, I got mod prodded. Regarding Mayor, I was never going to run. However, you're idea that I didn't "care" about who got Mayor is spot on. I really did not care whether HF or Palmar got it. I was more so interested in binding them to an opinion on who to lynch. If they deviated from that without sensible reasoning or flip/flopped I would find it extremely suspect. Asking about lynching Palmar is not the same as saying I definitely want Palmar lynched. I also did not have a strong opinion on scum read till BC near EOD. I screwed up in not moving my vote before deadline but I was wishy/washy on Trfel. Also, I tend to not give strong opinions on people until I'm ready to do so. I've also been out of the thread for long periods of time so some of my posts may seem disjointed - I'm trying to play catch up and will not voice every thought that comes to mind or may even forget some conversations. But really, I do like the post! ohh man cant afford to lynch. town needs all the spare bullets we have left ##UnvoteWork with us on acro pls I'm currently on page 202 lol. I doubt I will catch up. But I will definitely try to vote before deadline which is 7PM ET I think (about 19 hours from now). In the event I don't can you link me to the relevant posts on Acro and/or summarize. Really not trying to be lazy but this is a lot to wade through and take notes on with my limited time. lol... i take no acknowledgement, as a sublte acknowledgement Love it
+ Show Spoiler [Rayn case] +On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum. Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia: - He called out Grackaroni for making a useless list post and then continued doing nothing but listing lurkers / low volume posters for like next 24 hours. Neither of those are in itself necessarily scummy but saying someone is scum for doing a "universal mafia trait" -thing and then doing the same thing yourself is scummy as fuck and never comes from town, you'd have to be the biggest fucking hypocrite on earth to do that.
- He scumread iamperfection for too long, he should know wayyyyy better regardless of the fact iamp made a case (that everyone should read) on him.
- During the EoD he wasn't actively trying to do stuff, all he did was yelling and causing chaos. The most notable thing is he perfectly knew both Palmar's and Holyflare's mayor lynch choices don't align with his reads yet never ever during the whole time the debate was on tries he convince either of them to agree on a different lynch. Especially Palmar when they both share a scumread on Mocsta. There is simply no reason why a townie shouldn't care about this.
- Fake anger after D1 flips and anger directed at wrong place. Tubesock had a good post about this.
- After D1 Acrofales hasn't done a single productive thing. He has given himself a narrative in calling Holyflare mafia, hiding behind it, and doing nothing else. Even if he genuinely thinks Holyflare is mafia for doing a bad / stupid thing (which isn't even a good reason to scumread someone) it's simply pure mafia play to excuse yourself for not doing anything other than calling him mafia and everyone stupid and bad.
I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales. All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia.
I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes. + Show Spoiler +I caught him once because scum nuked meapak and i went to fakeclaim the nuke when for any player who doesn't have TMI that nuke never comes from mafia. Ace got confused and started gunning on me being mafia completely ignoring the fact before. And he couldn't even keep his story straight. So yeah, it's not like Ace alwasy does the most optimal play as mafia. Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow.
Relevant D1 timestamps
Some counters from observers
Acro Response 1
Acro response 2
Acro response 3
Acro response 4
Acro Response 5
Acro case on HF
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On March 07 2019 14:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Ace should be mayor, if we remayor when mayor is lynched i suspect you knew ace wasn't scum
you just didnt know he wasn't town.
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On March 07 2019 18:17 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like mocsta dropped his scum read on ace far too quickly even though ace just made a few incongruous false statements. selrial killer dude
Totally makes sense why hes indifferent
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On March 07 2019 19:22 AMG wrote:
Gun to my head, I'd say the scum team involves Ace, Onegu, possibly BH.
Please, if a replacement can be found for this position, give them a fair opportunity to prove themselves. i wonder if marv can double replace?
Last game ever. Lets break the rules!!
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Wrong vivax
##vote: vivax
Ur clearly shitting on the thread now
This isnt tunneled town vivax.
Too facaetious. Posting dor the sake of stirrinf
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