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On March 08 2019 02:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 02:17 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 08 2019 02:08 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 08 2019 02:03 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 02:02 Acrofales wrote:On March 08 2019 02:00 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 00:35 Ace wrote:On March 07 2019 23:05 Rels wrote:
I confirm that I'm Mason and that I used my power on rsoul N1 1 shot Mason that gets to pick a partner or is it Mason where mod confirms alignment of who you pick? neither. Not 1 shot and no mod confirm Can you add new people to your QT? Or do you get a new QT with the new person? They're added to the same QT why did you not mason me? I hesitated at some point. Some combination of rsoul scumreading me and rsoul not feeling well Why did you hesitate. I dont care what you thought about rsoultin. What do you not undersatnd? I thought it would be cool to have a nice private QT with you or rsoul for the same 2 reasons (I like you outside the game, I townread you), then the other 2 reasons is what pushed rsoul in front of you. I dont understand why you picked her over me. And i still dont because your post doesnt say anything regarding that.
rsoul scumreading me => talking to me in private will stop her tunnel
rsoul not feeling well => having a private place to talk would be nice for her
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On March 08 2019 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 02:24 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 02:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 08 2019 02:17 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 08 2019 02:08 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 08 2019 02:03 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 02:02 Acrofales wrote:On March 08 2019 02:00 Rels wrote:
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neither. Not 1 shot and no mod confirm Can you add new people to your QT? Or do you get a new QT with the new person? They're added to the same QT why did you not mason me? I hesitated at some point. Some combination of rsoul scumreading me and rsoul not feeling well Why did you hesitate. I dont care what you thought about rsoultin. What do you not undersatnd? I thought it would be cool to have a nice private QT with you or rsoul for the same 2 reasons (I like you outside the game, I townread you), then the other 2 reasons is what pushed rsoul in front of you. I dont understand why you picked her over me. And i still dont because your post doesnt say anything regarding that. rsoul scumreading me => talking to me in private will stop her tunnel rsoul not feeling well => having a private place to talk would be nice for her rsoul scumreading me => talking to me in private will stop her tunnelwhat kind of reasoning is this?
It's mine
On March 08 2019 02:03 Rels wrote:
why do you think you and rsoultin will solvethe game over you and me?
I don't, and I was planning to invite you next. Maybe still am but IDK if there is a purpose now that my role is public
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On March 08 2019 02:27 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 02:03 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 02:02 Acrofales wrote:On March 08 2019 02:00 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 00:35 Ace wrote:On March 07 2019 23:05 Rels wrote:
I confirm that I'm Mason and that I used my power on rsoul N1 1 shot Mason that gets to pick a partner or is it Mason where mod confirms alignment of who you pick? neither. Not 1 shot and no mod confirm Can you add new people to your QT? Or do you get a new QT with the new person? They're added to the same QT Wait wtf no
yes? Unless I misread my role
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On March 08 2019 02:29 LightningStrike wrote:
Rels you can invite me if you feel like you can make use of it.
<3
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On March 08 2019 02:30 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 02:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 08 2019 02:17 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 08 2019 02:08 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 08 2019 02:03 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 02:02 Acrofales wrote:On March 08 2019 02:00 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 00:35 Ace wrote:
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1 shot Mason that gets to pick a partner or is it Mason where mod confirms alignment of who you pick? neither. Not 1 shot and no mod confirm Can you add new people to your QT? Or do you get a new QT with the new person? They're added to the same QT why did you not mason me? I hesitated at some point. Some combination of rsoul scumreading me and rsoul not feeling well Why did you hesitate. I dont care what you thought about rsoultin. What do you not undersatnd? I thought it would be cool to have a nice private QT with you or rsoul for the same 2 reasons (I like you outside the game, I townread you), then the other 2 reasons is what pushed rsoul in front of you. I dont understand why you picked her over me. And i still dont because your post doesnt say anything regarding that. I understand you three have a little thing going on, but mind explaining to the scrubs on the sideline why Rels should have picked you? Is it that you have an ego the size of Holyflare's? Or is there a reason he should always mason you?
I talk a lot with rsoul and rayn outside the agme, even met them a few times
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On March 08 2019 02:31 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 02:29 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 02:27 Holyflare wrote:On March 08 2019 02:03 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 02:02 Acrofales wrote:On March 08 2019 02:00 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 00:35 Ace wrote:On March 07 2019 23:05 Rels wrote:
I confirm that I'm Mason and that I used my power on rsoul N1 1 shot Mason that gets to pick a partner or is it Mason where mod confirms alignment of who you pick? neither. Not 1 shot and no mod confirm Can you add new people to your QT? Or do you get a new QT with the new person? They're added to the same QT Wait wtf no yes? Unless I misread my role Are you town?
yes
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On March 08 2019 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 02:28 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 08 2019 02:24 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 02:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 08 2019 02:17 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 08 2019 02:08 Rels wrote:On March 08 2019 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 08 2019 02:03 Rels wrote:
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They're added to the same QT why did you not mason me? I hesitated at some point. Some combination of rsoul scumreading me and rsoul not feeling well Why did you hesitate. I dont care what you thought about rsoultin. What do you not undersatnd? I thought it would be cool to have a nice private QT with you or rsoul for the same 2 reasons (I like you outside the game, I townread you), then the other 2 reasons is what pushed rsoul in front of you. I dont understand why you picked her over me. And i still dont because your post doesnt say anything regarding that. rsoul scumreading me => talking to me in private will stop her tunnel rsoul not feeling well => having a private place to talk would be nice for her rsoul scumreading me => talking to me in private will stop her tunnelwhat kind of reasoning is this? It's mine On March 08 2019 02:03 Rels wrote:
why do you think you and rsoultin will solvethe game over you and me? I don't, and I was planning to invite you next. Maybe still am but IDK if there is a purpose now that my role is public I rephrase my question, knowing you, why did you invite any player in this game other then me first?
my goal is (was ?) to have a rsoul / rayn / me QT, and I chose rsoul first because of the reasons above. Sorry if you feel left alone lol
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On March 08 2019 02:35 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 01:57 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2019 01:50 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 08 2019 01:17 rsoultin wrote:
Actually, if we're looking for people over-justifying votes I'd say Jock qualifies. Caveat is I think he was planning on looking into BH earlier. I've said that since I voted for trfel on the first night. I wanted to see more from BH to see what he's all about. I have done, but I still don't know who to vote for tonight so I'm keeping an eye out. Ace is still a good candidate... turning up with his one word replies pointing out other people's mistakes while keeping his mouth pretty much shut about everything. I agree. I just don't see him ever being lynched over HF, BH or alternatively a low-posting lurker like ExO_ if people decided they don't want to lynch the former two. And honestly I'm not really too interested in lynching someone I don't strongly feel is scum? Cause I think BH has a slightly larger chance of flipping town than scum but I wouldn't wager a so much as a quarter on it lol >< I'd like to lynch Rels but people think his role makes him town and arguing till I'm blue in the face that he's not talking to me when he masoned me which he seemed eager to do is probably not going to get me anywhere. In part because people aren't experiencing what I am and in part because it's kind of tonal anyway. Excite -> not solving game with me.
Also I'd feel a bit like a dick if he's a townie with no time and was just being nice so maybe I should have let it slide and see what he did later >< thing is I'm not sure how long this thing lasts and I don't expect to survive N2 anyway. I've just had a quick look through his filter and I think meta information might be useful. Is he always this nice? Most other people in here have got aggressive once or twice. I'm not seeing alot of specifically scummy posts or mistakes really, just a feeling that his posts aren't coming from where we're supposed to think they are. I don't know if he's a lynch candidate (yet), but you seem pretty sure after the QT thing..
I can be nice or aggressive as both alignments, just read my past scum games to see what I'm capable of 
On March 08 2019 02:35 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 02:48 Rels wrote:
this HF situation is annoying. I think he is town. I'm not as sure as rayn and rsoul seems to be, like HF is a super strong scum and could easily do whatever he's done in this game. BUT, him not shitting up the thread feels weird if he's scum. He has the potential to throw the game into chaos easily, like he did when he got red checked in ... Himalayas probably?, saying he's the best lynch while posting a lot, and he is not doing it.
Now. IF HES SCUM AND HE LIVES AND WINS. He's gonna mock me and whoever townread him forever. I know this is a ridiculous way to handle this situation but that's waht I think.
So the solution: he msut be lynched in LYLO. I won't be there to push it probably, but if he's alive in LYLO, no matter what, lynch him. IF YOURE READING THIS DURING LYLO, LYNCH HF IF HES STILL ALIVE This post in particular seems like an odd idea. I can't figure out the real motivation behind it. Rels if you're going to lynch someone as active as hf, why delay until later so they can cause some chaos?
But I don't want to lynch him, otherwise I would push him. But I don't want him to mock me forever if I'm wrong
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Didn't read anything since my lunch break, everything is going wrong at work so I don't know how much time I'll have before deadline to read what I've missed
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SL starting to sound like town SL a little
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On March 09 2019 09:02 Dandel Ion wrote:
rsoultin, the Vanilla Townie has been killed.
Damdred, the Vanilla Townie has been killed.
BloodyC0bbler, the Mafia Roleblocker has been killed.
WaveofShadow, the Vanilla Townie has been killed.
raynpelikoneet, the Vanilla Townie has been killed.
Yeah for the scum death! But there goes my town circle 
And lol @ 3 townies hard townreading HF + 1 scum hard pushing HF dying. HF is town and scum are trying to ML him again
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On March 09 2019 09:13 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 09:10 LightningStrike wrote:On March 09 2019 09:09 Tumblewood wrote:
fuck yeah das me baybeeeee You claiming the shot on BC? oh whoops, i meant to post my celebration of killing town in my scum QT, not here + Show Spoiler +
WP
Just so that is clear: if you are a vig that shot BC, you counterclaim NOW. Any counterclaim later than today will be met with an immediate lynch.
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On March 09 2019 11:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Wake up Rels it's time for the Ace DD Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 08:49 Ace wrote:On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here. Knowing now BC was scum, it's important to point out Ace was the second one to have a problem with this post, after iamperfection. But iamp was mad about BC's reads on him and Onegu. Ace's main point is that BC is scum. His initial attack on Holyflare seems honest enough on the surface. He attacks him after the D1 lynch, then comes back two days later with more reasons Show nested quote +The nightkills - 3 dead. All Town. I refuse, literally refuse to think a vigilante shot any of them over Holyfield. Like it seems unfathomable that the targets would end up at Marv, Iamp, or Koshi (lol wut?). Especially with one being Vet and dying (maybe Rb + shot). If there's a third party out there, I think it goes without saying you should start shooting scum or clashing flips from now on Lastly, I saw something about marv playing cop wrong. I actually think he made himself "obvious town" or whatever you want to call it and should have drawn night protection. Especially since he was a replacement with fresh eyes into the game. Maybe we have no more docs or the kill went through somehow. Either way I think it's worth backtracking him and iamps posts (-2 nightlife means very desperate kill) especially. including this extrapolation. If it's town Ace it's pretty insightful because I learned something new. It could be scum Ace in which case he's got the benefit of hindsight (and knowing exactly whether or not a vig shot those players). The other thing I notice here is that if I were vig and I didn't know BH was town, I'd probably shoot BH at this point in time (as in, N1). It's a compelling case Ace makes but I'm not sure if it would've been enough to make me shoot Holyflare Night 1. Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 14:38 Ace wrote:On March 06 2019 18:27 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote:
BH who is just sitting there with the most information in the game about his wagon and instead he's still just repeating to kill him. A) I actually have not asked to be lynched today B) the only extra information I have is that I'm town, and presumably people fall into two categories: 1) people who think I am town and so have just as much information as I do 2) people who think I am scum, and i'm not sure i'd convince such people that I have "more information" than them just by asserting I am town I just caught this, and I feel like this is a needle in townish direction, especially since I read it after the post I made quoting this from HF. Could be scum BH but way more probable a Townie makes this most post. Fuck, I feel like most of my posts are anti-HF and I'm tunneling too hard and looking for confirmation bias :/*sees HF reply to this post* So much WIFOM spam, Town hero fallacy, and guilt tripping. Nah fuck that. Keep the lynch train going. Just too many things that push HF into obvious scum. I had the opposite take on that BH post. Suppose for a minute Ace is scum. I don't think the bolded is enough of an out in case he gets Holyflare lynched and has to justify his actions somehow. At this point I'm certain they're not scum together, but just off of the Ace-HF dynamic alone there doesn't seem to be anything that would disqualify scum Ace coming into the thread to tunnel town HF. It's entirely dependent either on how you view Holyflare (him scum -> Ace town) or potentially by taking into account Ace's other posts. Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote:
+ I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned. He had to drop out. Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi. Well at least he's confirmed town now This?! Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through. Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you. I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit. Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town? Legit LOL. I know for a fact BC nearly slammed his skull into the computer. Even if he's scum writing this he's like WTF? Prescient Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 00:57 Ace wrote:
There are follow ups to that plan. I've explained it - the Mayor vote was just a way for me to tie any of the candidates to a strong stance and on whom to lynch. Whatever action they took or wouldn't take after making that stance clear determined my approach to them.
Once I found HFs reasons for killing Palmar ridiculous he was Scum for me. Day 2, even when forgetting all of Day 1 also read Scum for me. Middle of Day 2, let's say 8 hours or so before EoD HFs wagon is getting derailed. It's not even just the moronic votes for BH either. You have people making cases as reasons to vote for anyone but HF lol. While it seems easy to say Blazinghand was more probable to flip Town than Scum, I can somewhat see people thinking he's a good lynch if they are to totally lost on to what's going on. However, some of that lynch BH stuff came from people active in the thread. Which shows that they are reading the thread but not for comprehension . And you don't need to check the voting times to see it either. But killing HF is step 1.
I'm actually curious about this as someone who was totally lost during those few days. And the quoted post actually acknowledges it but I don't think it's possible to get an answer that isn't clouded by hindsight. Why exactly was BH more probable to flip town? Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 04:45 Ace wrote:
Well I can't do what I want correctly and may not be around before EoN so I'll try and get everything out now 😋.
First just some general thoughts. If we do not see a Scum death tonight and the 3KP holds up, we are starting Day 3 with at most 26 alive. Looking at it that way my previous post about KP is easily incorrect 😁. They really do probably need that much KP or 3rd party to wittle down 19/20 remaining people (doubt there are more than 6 scum in this game). That's in addition to town KP.
Anyone who is saying they think Holyflare is scum but won't lynch him because it's going to be too difficult and should be saved for LYLO is pretty much not worth keeping around. Cops and vigis should get their utmost attention. For whatever reasons that Holyflare will be alive Day 3, this support block needs to be eradicated. At this point I literally do not care that HF can possibly flip Town - he is detrimental to our win condition. Of course I find him funny so I would like to keep him around but I also want to win. Consistency Show nested quote +
Additionally for cops, it's about to be Day 3 which means if you live you got off 2 investigations. If no Scum are dead going into the Day I think you should consider revealing results. Especially true if you've found scum. If you can clear Town that's also just as good. Some ppl would say hold your investigation unless your check is being lynched and you can't save them through discussion. There's also the belief of waiting till near deadline or late into the next night to reveal stuff. Whatever path you want to take do not let a known innocent die, a known scum escape the noose, or die without revealing your stuff. We've already lost 6 people as of this post and based on the discussion going on I'd only trust maybe 3 people to figure shit out.
Now as for what I'm going to do. Check it out:
Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, AMG, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock, ExO_, Tumblewood
I've already said 2 of these people are scum. This is the BH wagon. Now we obviously know some townies are lazy or were duped into thinking this was even a good idea. I doubt anyone seriously reading this game would think BH was ever a real suspect. Myself and others echoed this during Day 2. On Day 1 I prodded BH to stay in the game not only because I have good memories of him in past games and iirc modding, but I know scum would just pile on the easy mislynch and misguided townies would follow.
I would expect BC to pick up on this because he's a very good player and of course he did. Doesn't mean he isn't scum but someone caring about the nature of the lynch is probably Town. Of course I've currently got a Town read on Vivax too. Fuck me if either of them are Scum 🤦🏼♂️.
See above Show nested quote +Oh shit I was rambling whoops. Back to that BH wagon. I'd cross reference it for the HF vote wagon but I think that should be the last thing to do. Instead I'm going to check the timing of their vote, look at where they showed reasoning for the vote in the thread and see what was going on in the thread at the time. For example that one scummer that showed up, said he read 2 of BHs posts, would be gone, and just voted and really did lay low. Some will say that's just bad Town play but I dont think all but the worst players couldn't be bothered to read more than two posts from someone they suspect.
So that's the way I'm going to go about this. Deadline is in about 4 hours so hopefully I'll be free to get this done. If there is anything you can take from this post if you can't read: vote Ace for Mayor 😎
It's a good case. I can imagine a scum Ace making the case but I don't see any prevailing evidence over town Ace making it. But really the thing that pushes Ace into a green lean for me is that first post where he called out BC. So to answer your question Rels, I don't see anything wrong with Ace, or any reason I would intentionally avoid him.
WP
From what I remember I disagree with him attacking BC making him town. The scumread went nowhere and changed into a townread later, during D2 maybe ? He's the first person I want to filter tonight so I'll check the timing
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On March 09 2019 11:24 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +Day One Final Vote Count
Mayor
Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel
Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand
iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster
Chezinu (1):Chezinu
Onegu (1): Onegu
rsoultin (1): Rels
Lynch
Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion
Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike
Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley
Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock
iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand
Koshi (1): Ace
Fecalfeast (1): Pandain
Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh
LightningStrike (1): Rels
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar EoD1 votes with conrfirmed flips and claims so ya BC wasted his vote on a throwaway on iamp and town was scattered all over the place on the two lynch wagons Day 1. Ace,Pandain,MZ, Chezinu, and Onegu wasted their votes Day 1. might have a scum within those throw away votes since town was so scattered it's a safe play to do that.
the D1 lynch vote is useless since it was TvT. The mayor vote might be mor einteresting, I owuld imagine scum would very much like HF mayor lynching Palmar and being a target when Palmar flips town.
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On March 09 2019 11:52 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 11:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 09 2019 11:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 09 2019 11:24 LightningStrike wrote:Day One Final Vote Count
Mayor
Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel
Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand
iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster
Chezinu (1):Chezinu
Onegu (1): Onegu
rsoultin (1): Rels
Lynch
Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion
Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike
Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley
Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock
iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand
Koshi (1): Ace
Fecalfeast (1): Pandain
Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh
LightningStrike (1): Rels
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar EoD1 votes with conrfirmed flips and claims so ya BC wasted his vote on a throwaway on iamp and town was scattered all over the place on the two lynch wagons Day 1. Ace,Pandain,MZ, Chezinu, and Onegu wasted their votes Day 1. might have a scum within those throw away votes since town was so scattered it's a safe play to do that. Both wagons were town. I don't think just from the votes you can make any inference about where the scum are. Scum know who HF is. If he's one of them it doesn't really matter who the mayor is between him and Palmar to scum because a townie gets lynched either way. If he's town it doesn't matter either but scum would have to take him at his word that he wants to lynch Palmar. Even if he did follow through on the BH lynch that's also a townie. Throwaway votes is usually scum indicating though in a TvT wagon though but I think scum is also within those 2 wagons since it's easy to blend in when it's TvT. Ya fair play about HF I wish we had a cop check on him >.< I'm thinking a cop has investigated HF by now and hasn't gotten a scum result so feels no need to claim.
What kind of a reasonning is this? We had 2 cop roles flipped already. Is this the only reason you're not pushing HF anymore?
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On March 09 2019 11:55 Mocsta wrote:
The other problem i have is
If town has delayed role
Lurker vig
Delayed vig
Backup cop
Scum needs compensation
Im concerned about rels role
Who did he mason n2?
At first i assumed he was a JOAT hence why i immediately wrote off tumbelweed
But now im thinking rels is a scum delay role
so you think I have a role where I can invite someone to a private QT, then they die one day later ? 2 things:
1 - that's effectively giving scum an additional KP, seems very OP
2 - most importantly, it is supposed to be a normal game. We have some delayed vig and lurker vig, but mason/vig would be very outside of normal
And I masoned rayn N2
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On March 09 2019 12:00 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 11:55 Mocsta wrote:
The other problem i have is
If town has delayed role
Lurker vig
Delayed vig
Backup cop
Scum needs compensation
Im concerned about rels role
Who did he mason n2?
At first i assumed he was a JOAT hence why i immediately wrote off tumbelweed
But now im thinking rels is a scum delay role I asked Rels about his role function yesterday. I didn't get the idea that it was mod confirmed Town Mason. I remember the point about rsoul outting his role (usually is a scummy thing) but I also don't recall her saying she thought Rels was scum. If he's scum Mason I think he's easily outed next night cycle.
she definitely outted me because she thought I was scum, then reconsidered when she saw I was upset at her for doing it. I was a hard null in her last listpost
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On March 09 2019 14:19 Pandain wrote:
Great job vig but you missed someone important too.
##Shoot Holyflare
LOL
we'll see if it's as effective as VIvax' nuke p:
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yeah I don't like Ace's filter. I'm happy he started playing for real though it will be an honor to lynch mafia god in the last TL game!
The thing that shows he's scum is how he treated HF all game. Everything reeks of a mafia plan getting HF elected, then getting him lynched. We can follow it all thorough the day:
First part during EOD1, voting him while not even knowing who he would lynch:
On March 05 2019 05:01 Ace wrote:
@holyflare: just voted you for Mayor. I haven't fully caught up but I've been skim reading. Assuming you win the election your plan is what again? Just restate for clarity so I'm not confused or in case I missed any new developments.
Second part during N1, he acts surprised that HF has lynched Palmar and begins pushing him:
On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote:
Well that was terrible.
@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.
There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.
side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.
Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.
On March 05 2019 10:28 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 10:24 Damdred wrote:On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote:
Well that was terrible.
@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.
There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.
side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.
Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.
What is this? Even I know hf stuck to his guns he wan ted to lynch palm for a long time no? Him wanting to lynch Palmar =/= good reason to switch.
Third, he AFKs the start of D2. His first post when he comes back D2 is a big post on HF. Note that it's a time where HF is in the lead 9 - 4 over BH, but talks about alternative targets start being discussed for real => see the pages before page 239, BH being ofc the main other lynch. I don't know if it's really this or just a coincidence, but it sures comes at a convenient time so that HF keeps being the lynch.
On March 07 2019 12:06 Ace wrote:Holyflare is Scum https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27283802 <---bullshit filter dive in fact, there are just too many posts that show he isn't scum hunting. It's either a lax attempt to show what someone else did wrong, asking "what should we do now?" type questions, or just filler. Outside of this, he killed Palmar. The entire reason behind my Day 1 post was to tie any mayor candidate to their lynch choice. It's not just that he didn't lynch Sentinel - if he had justifiable reasons then so be it. But he lynched Palmar and his reasoning rests on because he thought he was scum. Seriously. This guy should be the obvious lynch. How many people really thought Palmar was scum? He just did it because he could.And even if you somehow don't believe he's Scum he is clearly a net negative for the Town. He literally has done nothing - and this is coming from a guy who's been afk, caught up on only 30 pages or so and sees the nonsense plain as day. The nightkills - 3 dead. All Town. I refuse, literally refuse to think a vigilante shot any of them over Holyfield. Like it seems unfathomable that the targets would end up at Marv, Iamp, or Koshi (lol wut?). Especially with one being Vet and dying (maybe Rb + shot). If there's a third party out there, I think it goes without saying you should start shooting scum or clashing flips from now on Lastly, I saw something about marv playing cop wrong. I actually think he made himself "obvious town" or whatever you want to call it and should have drawn night protection. Especially since he was a replacement with fresh eyes into the game. Maybe we have no more docs or the kill went through somehow. Either way I think it's worth backtracking him and iamps posts (-2 nightlife means very desperate kill) especially.
Then he goes on for all day, mainly talking about lynching HF. Note that he's now OK with BC, pushing HF together and referencing him in his posts. I'll elaborate about that in another part of the post - I don't think BC/Ace relationship necessarily show that they're partners, but it sure as hell don't prove they're cannot be partners.
Finally, today. Mafia probably shot rayn, rsoul and WOS. Let's say they definitely shot at least 2 out of 3 to account for weird stuff like SK or whatever. They shot people that hard townread HF. At this point, Ace's narrative change - in his last big post during N3, Ace says that HF "definitely needs to be lynched whatever his alignment is".
On March 09 2019 04:45 Ace wrote:
Anyone who is saying they think Holyflare is scum but won't lynch him because it's going to be too difficult and should be saved for LYLO is pretty much not worth keeping around. Cops and vigis should get their utmost attention. For whatever reasons that Holyflare will be alive Day 3, this support block needs to be eradicated. At this point I literally do not care that HF can possibly flip Town - he is detrimental to our win condition. Of course I find him funny so I would like to keep him around but I also want to win.
I think their plan was to continue pushing HF during D3 with BC. BUT BC DIES. So there goes that plan. Ace stops pushing for HF after that, and his reasonning is weird:
On March 09 2019 09:03 Ace wrote:Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo BC
On March 09 2019 09:08 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 09:06 Holyflare wrote:
Oh hey look absolutely everyone that would be defending me died and the one guy that yelled about lynching me for dumb reasons was mafia. That's cool. Some of his reasons were good. He just happened to be your scum buddy :'(
On March 09 2019 09:28 Ace wrote:
Wow. Ah well. All that fun trying to lynch HF is now down the drain.
On March 09 2019 11:52 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 11:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 09 2019 11:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 09 2019 11:24 LightningStrike wrote:Day One Final Vote Count
Mayor
Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel
Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand
iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster
Chezinu (1):Chezinu
Onegu (1): Onegu
rsoultin (1): Rels
Lynch
Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion
Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike
Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley
Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock
iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand
Koshi (1): Ace
Fecalfeast (1): Pandain
Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh
LightningStrike (1): Rels
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar EoD1 votes with conrfirmed flips and claims so ya BC wasted his vote on a throwaway on iamp and town was scattered all over the place on the two lynch wagons Day 1. Ace,Pandain,MZ, Chezinu, and Onegu wasted their votes Day 1. might have a scum within those throw away votes since town was so scattered it's a safe play to do that. Both wagons were town. I don't think just from the votes you can make any inference about where the scum are. Scum know who HF is. If he's one of them it doesn't really matter who the mayor is between him and Palmar to scum because a townie gets lynched either way. If he's town it doesn't matter either but scum would have to take him at his word that he wants to lynch Palmar. Even if he did follow through on the BH lynch that's also a townie. Throwaway votes is usually scum indicating though in a TvT wagon though but I think scum is also within those 2 wagons since it's easy to blend in when it's TvT. Ya fair play about HF I wish we had a cop check on him >.< I'm thinking a cop has investigated HF by now and hasn't gotten a scum result so feels no need to claim.
this last post makes no sense for 2 reasons.
First, until just now HF has been a man that was probably gonna be vigd or lynched. Cops probably wouldn't bother with HF until now.
Second, we already have a cop and a backup cop flipped, and 2 vigs. I don't know if it's reasonnable to suppose we have a lot more investigative role.
The answer is that Ace stopped pushing HF because his helping buddy BC died, and because almost nobody else wants HF dead now. But he had to invent a reason to stop that push, and he crafted this one. Problem is that, it makes no sense 'cause it's fake.
A final point. Sent bought up the point that Ace / BC relationship make them unlikely partners. I disagree, I don't think it proves they're partners either, but nothing proves they aren't. It's true Ace attacked BC with during EOD1:
On March 05 2019 08:49 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here.
That turns into a kinda townread during D2:
On March 07 2019 12:57 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything. Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread. Wiggles, not sure of the timing of the vote nor do I really disagree with this post. But I just checked the voting thread quickly and see BC has a vote on HF. Unless he finds reason to move, do you think BC + HF is a possible scum team? I also called BC scummy for the post near last EOD but outside of this do you sense scum motive from him?
On March 07 2019 13:16 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 11:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 06 2019 11:31 Mocsta wrote:On March 06 2019 11:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 06 2019 11:20 Grackaroni wrote:On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks:+ Show Spoiler +On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything. Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread. This is plaigarism lol. Exact same word choice as Ace. On March 05 2019 08:49 Ace wrote:On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here. HAHAHA HOLY SHIT. Grack are you actually town? what do you think about ace though in that chained quote? I dont beleive he ever did ANYTHING with that. He didn't but it's funny how he said this: On March 05 2019 08:58 Ace wrote:
@BC: where did I say I want Palmar killed???
@trfel: I think you should seriously claim if lynch noise bout to drop. And then voted for HF lmao Yea :/. Was having this exchange with BC because I definitely did not see HF doing what he did. I actually thought Palmar had way too much sway for that move not to be met with instagib and also he didn't appear as scum to enough people for it to even be approachable. BC took my HF vote as a Palmar supported kill because he obviously believed the threat and was correct in the end.
And a real townread during N2:
On March 09 2019 00:18 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 13:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Hey Ace, you asked me about BC but then never followed up. I'm curious about your own thoughts towards him. How are you reading BC? I'm still convinced he's scum. On March 07 2019 13:58 Mr. Wiggles wrote:We're opening up the lines, and we've already got our first caller! On March 07 2019 12:57 Ace wrote:On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything. Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread. Wiggles, not sure of the timing of the vote nor do I really disagree with this post. But I just checked the voting thread quickly and see BC has a vote on HF. Unless he finds reason to move, do you think BC + HF is a possible scum team? I also called BC scummy for the post near last EOD but outside of this do you sense scum motive from him? Hmm, could BC + HF be a possible scum team? I guess it's possible. I've had a town read on HF, but if that's wrong and he were to flip red, I don't think that clears BC. A bus of HF today would be pretty easy to support for scum, considering all the people lusting after his blood coming out of N1. I find BC to be a relative non-entity in this game who comes in long enough to throw around some accusations and act holier-than-thou before going to ground again. I think the exchange with Jock is a decent example of this. When Jock comes in with a weird post about HF, BC jumps on it but ends up mostly just berating Jock. BC's points don't do much to advance the case on HF itself but do allow him to blow up on what Jock is attributing as motivation to HF. Before BC came in there's been other people town reading HF, but BC doesn't try to address any of those points, instead he just hops on Jock's bad point because it's easy. For example, I'd contrast his play with yours right now. You're coming back into the thread after some time away, but you're adding comments about stuff you've read along the way. This is helpful and advances the thread. BC on the other hand comes in, plops down a post and then interacts with a couple people present in the thread (usually in a confrontational/negative way) before leaving again. It's obvious he's read the thread because he's putting forward a couple cases, but out of everything else that happens he seems to have basically no comment. It's the same old song and dance from BC today as well. We have him come in and rage about the decision to out the mason: + Show Spoiler [SanguinePie] +On March 08 2019 06:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:What the fuck is going on in this game? I leave for a bit and the thread turns to a shit show -_- How the fuck has more or less the entire thread glossed over the fact we had Rsoultin out Rel's role because she thought he was mafia then proceeded to not seriously push him as a candidate whatsoever Then proceeded to remain voting for someone she doesn't fully believe is fucking scum. Seriously wtf is wrong with you guys. We have already had a bunch of blues flip and no one questions seriously why its ok for someone to out another players role on a gut read? IMO there is literally no reason to out rels at this point in time unless you plan to go ham on a scum read. Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 05:57 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 05:54 sicklucker wrote:
Well if we dont kill hf now hes never dying. So ill just have to asume hes town if thats happening and pray mafia nk him and reevaluate if I dont kill. I dont think we have the votes to kill him today is what im trying to say. so lets set up a side wagon to bh. But fuck I dont have enough time We only need like 3 votes on HF. please vote him and stay on him. Don't say "let's just assume he's town for no reason because he's too good at convincing people to ever be able for us to lynch him" wtf Jesus fuck. Again, this is a really easy thing to pick on as scum because it's just yelling about mechanics and 'standard play'. A bunch of stuff people seem to do now looks weird compared to how we did things in the days of yore, but it's easy even for an old dog like me to see that it's simply a different kind of meta. For BC to react like this says that he either doesn't understand that, which I doubt, or that he's simply fishing for something to comment about without needing to fake scum hunting. The other posts he makes are just more useless arguing with HF. Browbeating HF does little to advance town, even if you're convinced he's scum. It would be way more productive to either push reasons to not lynch BH or try to dismantle the defence/rationale that other posters have put forward to not lynch HF. Instead he rolls around in the mud with HF for a while before popping out of the thread. Same old stuff he's been doing for the last couple cycles. BC is a pretty solid lynch for Day 3, I'd say. We are not lynching BC @Mocsta: you are a weird player. So all over the place 😏
On March 09 2019 04:45 Ace wrote:
I've already said 2 of these people are scum. This is the BH wagon. Now we obviously know some townies are lazy or were duped into thinking this was even a good idea. I doubt anyone seriously reading this game would think BH was ever a real suspect. Myself and others echoed this during Day 2. On Day 1 I prodded BH to stay in the game not only because I have good memories of him in past games and iirc modding, but I know scum would just pile on the easy mislynch and misguided townies would follow.
I would expect BC to pick up on this because he's a very good player and of course he did. Doesn't mean he isn't scum but someone caring about the nature of the lynch is probably Town. Of course I've currently got a Town read on Vivax too. Fuck me if either of them are Scum 🤦🏼♂️.
So no, I don't think their interactions are alignment indicative by themselves, and I think them trying to push a HF lynch / vig during the whole N1 / D2 / N2 makes a lot of sense.
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On March 09 2019 15:01 kitaman27 wrote:Announcement![[image loading]](https://i.gifer.com/3bhc.gif) Holyflare the Vanilla Townie has been killed.
LOOOL IT WAS REAL
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