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On March 08 2019 02:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: she is confirmed because of dick move analysis. Lol ok. Works for me. Course I Towned her without it anyway | ||
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On March 08 2019 03:13 Ace wrote: If you think the rage is fake, then them not being fake mad at you for being on the wagon is my point. Unless you think they're terrible scum don't you see they'd at least go to the trouble, see you on the wagon they should be mad at, and try to push you as a suspect for that reason? If he’d have done that I probably would have thought it was less fake and maybe towned him for it. But he only went on about HF and called him stupid and retarded and whatever. He may have spoken about the electors once? Twice? Nothing compared to the vitriol he spewed at HF. And frankly I think we should punish that behavior. Stupid or mafia? So basically Acro was towning HF the entire time. Plus, my other point that seems you missed was that the rage he showed was more fitting if HF did that out of the blue, not been saying he would for 24+ odd hours. | ||
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I have two hours of useful consciousness, so if there’s any ideas I’m game. | ||
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On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum. Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia:
I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales. All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia. I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes. + Show Spoiler + I caught him once because scum nuked meapak and i went to fakeclaim the nuke when for any player who doesn't have TMI that nuke never comes from mafia. Ace got confused and started gunning on me being mafia completely ignoring the fact before. And he couldn't even keep his story straight. So yeah, it's not like Ace alwasy does the most optimal play as mafia. Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow. On March 07 2019 20:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is the last addition to my points on Acrofales, after this i will stop and probably afk. This is a big part of his case on rsoultin. rsoultin's early read on Palmar and where it came from. At this point Palmar had said; - not gonna play, it's weekend - Policy lynch Sentinel - HF might be town - "thanks i hate it" on one of my posts, whatever that meant - some more posts which say "lynch Sentinel" rsoultin agreed at the time with my read on Palmar, and Acrofales criticises the reasoning. The problem is that this is Acrofales' reasoning for me thinking Palmar is mafia: (1) Palmar thinking I [acro] was looking townie (2) Palmar wanting to policy kill Sent First of all (1) had never happened at that time. Second of all, for (2), i have absolutely no idea where he read rayn scumreads Palmar for wanting to lynch Sentinel, because these are all my words on Palmar at that point; I mean i literally encouraged his policy lynch rather than find it scummy. Okay so, let's pretend Acrofales made a mistake with timestamps and pretend i had all my stuff on Palmar already. here's the rest of what i updated on my read on him: this one isn't entirely about acrofales, and definitely NOT because he read him town I can maybe see how this turns into just "he townread Acro" in some idiots mind, but even if that was the case Palmar himself confessed he was guilty of this so how can rsoultin (or me) be blamed of being mafia because of a "shit scumread" when we actually called out CORRECT things regardless of Palmar's affiliation?? (note that while this is not a reason why rsoultin scumread Palmar, but Acrofales thought it is so it's relevant to the case). How can any fucking townie not read things above properly enough to: 1) call rsoultin scum based on that 2) what i bolded in red ????????????? | ||
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On March 08 2019 03:41 darthfoley wrote: so i have 75 pages to read... and i'm getting shoulder surgery tomorrow and my arm will be in a sling for a month. I'll spend the next couple hours trying to make sense of this stuff and be useful for once. If you want to vig me, that might be ideal lol It’s basically just HF vs BH. | ||
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On March 08 2019 03:45 Acrofales wrote: ? If Palmar wasn't a problem then why was your vote to have him killed at this point? I actually dived into your filter to find where you strong townread HF... and I don't see it at all. You made up your mind HF was town at the start of the game based on... nothing? And your comment after nightfall was about me, not about HF at all. In fact, it's the post that is continuously quoted here that has the whole ramble about how wonderful it would have been if HF had killed scum!Palmar. Why are you townreading HF? It started with agreement on a semi long stream of posts. And other small things that he did that I doubt mafia HF would bother with. While I certainly will semi ignore someone I town from time to time, HF’s townread can disappear quite fast. I’m always watching what he does. I’ve been called contrarian many times. But I truly believe that him sticking to what he said he’d do (shoot Palmar) is far more likely to come from town HF. I do think MafiaHF would have never pushed Palmar and instead gone after one of the other prominent towns and killed them instead. Rayn he could have killed at the time as most were lukewarm on him at the time. Or whoever. | ||
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On March 08 2019 03:52 Oatsmaster wrote: this is an extreme hedge that makes no sense because nobody thinks Ace is very town. what do you want mr mafia? Is that bit the reason I’m mafia? Seeing Wiggles do the same thing as me and scumming him because I feel guilt? I’m going to look in your filter, but what’s your read on wiggles?? | ||
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On March 08 2019 04:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Mafia boi If wriggles does the same thing as you in that his case on you can be applied to him, and you are town, doesn’t that mean he’s also town? How does it mean he’s mafia I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts: On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense. Then On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off. Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it. Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!! This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia. | ||
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I saw him fake claim a blue role like five games in a row. All rescinding immediately at day post. It’s nothing. And I think it’s scummy of you to try to blow it up into something when it obviously was fake. | ||
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Sicklucker -he picked up why Chez is scum and FF is town Fecalfeast - bombing Chez is brilliant. I believe his claim and he’s the only hatter. Onegu - feels plus I like his mechanical analysis LightningStrike - Trust of the dead, too active for mafia LS Vivax - he’s alive because he’s useful for mafia, he does not promote town circles. Alakaslam- feels. I used to study Slam. This isn’t like any Slam I’ve ever seen. But feels. Grackaroni - he had a few posts I thought were spot on. Mocsta - probably should be null. Hmm Jockmcplop Meapak_ziph Mr. Wiggles - I think he could be town BUT OMGUS, he half assed went after LS (LS rule), and most the dead wanted his lynch. Including Ticktock. Darthfoley - POE mostly Rels- mafia need a mason to find Traitor, Rsoultin said scum with good reason, and Ticktock, plus I think 8 blues is a bit much. Pandain- I’ll never believe that a town day vig would make this post + Show Spoiler [call 4 HF vig] + On March 08 2019 18:43 Pandain wrote: Hey everyone. For those who don't know me, I'm pretty sure it's pretty obvious to tell when I'm town or not when I'm actually playing. Expect to see a hell of a lot more activity, and actually I was pretty up to date with the whole part of day 2 when I asked Kita to replace after I saw AMG was similarly overwhelmed like me the first day. I won't dwell on the past too much, but Holyflare 100% needs to be vigi'd tonight. It was remarkable watching the last day. HF talk has already spammed the thread and later tonight I'm going to be looking into others, but I want to emphasize two points. 1. Fake claimed for no town reason . I don't care about fake claims in general ,I used to do it all the time. However, when Town does it it's because they have a reason to (and holyflare already established he did not just do it for the "Lolz".) There was no reason to fake-claim, and honestly I'm not sure about how it benefits mafia but it sure as hell makes no sense from a town perspective. Also can we just kill people who outright lie for no reason? 2. Furthermore, HF dying gives a huge amount of information. If he's mafia, I actually think we can start wrapping up the game because HF has been at the center of the thread and voting thread for both days. If he actually does just turn out to be a balls-out crazy town, I think it's very safe to say a good amount of mafia probably voted for him after he made his intentions clear to vote Palmar. Either way, town is in a good position. However, I am pleading for a vigilante to end the job. The information best helps us if we know it at the start of the day cycle. I'm actually not even certain I would support a Holyflare day 3 lynch. Also just FYI BC and Ace need to die with fire if either of them live to day four. Oatsmaster- He townread then scumread Mr. Wiggles before this exchange + Show Spoiler [The Tube Trap] + On March 08 2019 04:42 Tubesock wrote: I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts: Then Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it. Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!! This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia. Chezinu - there’s four scenarios concerning the Great FF/Chezinu Mad Hatter Debate of 2019. 1)Both are Mafia. This would be so goddamn genius. Lynch one they flip mafia and the other is confirmed town with 0% chance of being questioned for not being NK’d. Having a backup Cop flip day one and HF going on how this is a themed game I can see a world where Chez and FF think up this shit. Especially if Sicklucker is mafia also. They’re all crafty. But I think it is unnecessary and considering there’s only two dead mafia, I think it’s unlikely. But yolo end of era plays. HF tried one. 2) Fecalfeast/Chezinu- a one for one would be a complete waste. Almost zero chance. 3) both town- possible. Mafia could hold the shot on FF hoping they could mlynch Chezinu, and then shoot FF if he places a bomb on a mafia friendly target the next night. Seems needlessly risky for two free dead towns. 4)FecalfeastCezinu- mafia would never shoot in this instance unless for some crazy bad reason they thought FF was lying about his bomb. I think this is by far the most likely situation. My vote will not waver from Chezinu. I haven’t had internet since Thursday. Apologies. This Thursday and Friday I probably won’t have it again. There were technical difficulties at work. I’m caught up, going to be rereading stuff. I’ll be here for several hours. | ||
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On March 12 2019 22:20 Acrofales wrote: Why does FF not getting shot townconfirm him? Two possibilities: 1. He's mafia himself. 2. Mafia believes his claim and fears he has a bomb on one of them. I still need to read FF's filter, but this mindless zerg onto Chez's wagon stinks. Chez looks bad. I agree. But this wagon looks awful. But why would Mafia think FF would be lying about his bomb placement? | ||
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On March 12 2019 23:17 Acrofales wrote: No. If mafia thinks FF is a townie hatter and has a bomb on a townie, he is dead. So the two reasons mafia don't shoot him are the ones above. In only one of those two is he town. So I don't see how FF living confirms him as town. I guess add a 3rd: they just want to keep the wifom alive. In my catchup post I laid out 4 scenarios. I agree, FF isn’t confirmed town. I think the most likely scenarios is he is, and Chezinu is mafia. I don’t think FF being town and mafia not shooting him because they think he lied about putting his bomb on Chezinu. There’s no reason for FF to lie about it as town and no reason for mafia to think he would be lying. | ||
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On March 12 2019 23:07 Onegu wrote: I dont think I have ever played with pandain. I was scum reading him. But why does he move the lynch off of Ace if scum? I guess next lvl plays but meh. He isnt getting lynched today so I will just ignore him for today. He wouldn’t have known if Sentinel was mafia, so if Pandain was mafia he probably just thought he was starting a new wagon on a scummy looking towny. | ||
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On March 12 2019 23:39 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm coming around to the idea of a chez lynch at the moment. The evidence is piling up against him and tubesock's post is quite convincing. Mind you, I like the idea that ff, chez are both mafia. That would be fun. I thought FF claimed the bomb during the night. That changes things quite a bit about the four scenarios. Have to look at who FF scummed. Maybe they were afraid one of them was the target and he was correct. | ||
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On March 12 2019 23:40 Acrofales wrote: That said, unless we have other reasons for believing chezinu is scum (and I'm not saying there aren't: his filter is all RP and there were town voices at the start of the game calling him out that there was something off about his RP), I'm not sure we're not in the scenario where FF is scum and chez is town. I'm quite sure we're not in the scenario where both are town. FF's scumlist (other than chezinu) was: 1. Ace 2. Me 3. LS Ace flipped town. I'm town, and LS is very likely town. So if FF is town and chez is town, they had to have a VERY good reason for wanting to kill TT to not take out 2 townies by shooting FF. But FF could very well be mafia doing some bizarre 1:1 play. I've seen it done before. Most notably, Risen in Chrono trigger mafia completely randomly claimed parity cop on me and a townie (I was 3P), giving rise to the most bizarre part of that game (well, other than the scum resurrection at the end). Although at least parity cop is a 2:1 if you play your cards right. Hmmm. That’s a pretty small pool. I’m still stuck on if FF is town then 1 or more of those four are mafia, and Chezinu is the most likely out of them. It does make him being more likely scum than when I thought he claimed the bomb before nightfall. I’m not sold on the 1 for 1 trade but I absolutely believe people do it. | ||
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On March 13 2019 01:02 Oatsmaster wrote: congrats tubesock, youve done it gj scumclaiming A clear cut case. /concede | ||
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