[M]Chill Hop Mafia - Page 93

On June 30 2018 17:28 Mocsta wrote:
and this one too please.

On June 30 2018 17:26 Mocsta wrote:
why am i not scum?

like if conversion and others think i am, surely, i should be in your pile?

On June 29 2018 17:34 Calix wrote:
Conversion.

I am now convinced this guy is scum with ShoCkeyy and you can see this through how his TT read progresses. Keep in mind that, from Conversion's POV, TT was the only viable alternative to ShoCkeyy for most of EOD because Conversion had stated a "Vivax/ Calix are probably not mafia" read on me previously.



Starts here when, after saying he needs to reread TT, says that he 'doesn't see town motivation' in softing that you're unlynchable. I find the highlighted part...very questionable. It reads like he's using reasoning he knows he's used in the past to scum-read TT without actually believing in it.



Note the bolded part. He says that TT's 'unlynchable' thing isn't actually scummy after giving it some thought and TT isn't in his list of targets.

(as a side note, he 'actively questions' Vivax/ Calix believers but thinks rayn is LIKE RLY TOWNIE. Vivax calls him out here but Conversion seems to misinterpret what Vivax was saying entirely and I'm not sure whether Conversion ever actually responded to this point)

He goes on to rhetorically asks whether ShoCkeyy's dumb tell is fake. (implies ShoCkeyy is mafia otherwise why would you ever say this?) and soft-defends ShoCkeyy using meta (says he always finds ShoCkeyy makes posts that are 'never town'). It's not clear what his ShoCkeyy read is since he never makes it explicit.

Then THIS happens:




This 'case' is atrocious. Conversion said earlier that he changed his mind on the 'unlynchable' part because he didn't think mafia would do that on D1. But WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION WHATSOEVER, he uses it as a reason to scum-read TT again!!! This looks like he's flinging shit against TT.

Bonus points for defending ShoCkeyy and jumping on one of the counterwagons to him for horrible reasoning.

Double bonus points because, when he uses that meta to defend ShoCkeyy, I showed him why that didn't make ShoCkeyy town this game. And he brushed it off because "I don't like comparing playstyles too much" (why would you use it as a reason for me to not think he's mafia then?)

Triple bonus points because he somehow found TT not voting to save himself scummy???






Nowhere in these posts does he explain how TT's dumb martyring actually helps mafia. Probably because the only scenario where that would work is if TT/ ShoCkeyy is a scum team and then people might ask things like "why the fuck were you dithering with a ShoCkeyy vote?" and "why did you wait until it was too late to vote for ShoCkeyy?"

Now I did make a post on Conversion's EOD before. But I only looked at a small part of his filter. When I looked from page 1 like I did now, his EOD looks way worse because of that TT progression.

Conversion/ ShoCkeyy/ ??? FTW

On June 30 2018 19:27 Mocsta wrote:
for hf again

On June 30 2018 19:27 Mocsta wrote:
for hf again

On June 30 2018 19:31 Koshi wrote:
Can you summarize this case and remove everything that has something to do with shockey?

On June 30 2018 07:26 Calix wrote:


Alright. You got lucky that you rolled scum in a game where people are having more mental breakdowns than you've accomplished in your entire mafia career.

On June 30 2018 19:32 Calix wrote:


I literally wrote a tl;dr of why I wrote the case in the first place.

Namely the TT progression.

On June 29 2018 17:42 Calix wrote:
For the people who are short on time, here's a TL;DR of what convinced me to write a giant wall-post in the first place:





Essentially he changed his mind on TT and uses a reason that he already said didn't make TT mafia.

On June 30 2018 19:32 Holyflare wrote:


Your reactions seem genuinely offended rather than fake offended. You're still trying to salvage some sort of game and ask questions. That's the reason I'm not scum reading you currently.

On June 30 2018 19:49 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi

Do you have a read on calix after that case

And where do you stand on shockeey

On June 30 2018 19:50 Koshi wrote:

This looks like shit on shit. Conversion said retardedthings. And you piled on on that.

Why I don't like it is I don't see town motivation in trying to soft that you are unlynchable for whatever reason. Just bleed green through your play, not trying to bait mafia shots. I'm pretty sure I historically found it scummy when someone tries to draw mafia shot by vague nonsense like that.

On June 30 2018 19:54 Koshi wrote:

Gimme time. I am discussing the book sapiens with gf while reading this. Brain overload.

I think I can vote Calix after reading filter last 3 pages. Not convinced on Shockey or Conversion being mafia based on her filter alone. And I can sense when somebody is mafia from somebody else their filter

On June 27 2018 22:17 ShoCkeyy wrote:


How do you know they can't shoot multiple times? it doesn't say it in the rules, it just says this:

Option A - 1 blue role , 9 vanilla town, 3 vanilla mafia
Option B - 2 blue role , 8 vanilla town, 1 mafia roleblocker, 2 vanilla mafia

Either two vanilla, or three vanilla, and from the Role PM, it seems like all three can shoot. You probably didn't check because it will be handed to you through mafia QT... along where you and Tictock maybe conversing even though you're on "different" time zones.

On June 30 2018 19:59 Calix wrote:


You can magically tell ShoCkeyy and Conversion are town from my filter alone but you can't tell that I'm town? :L

On June 30 2018 19:54 Koshi wrote:

Gimme time. I am discussing the book sapiens with gf while reading this. Brain overload.

I think I can vote Calix after reading filter last 3 pages. Not convinced on Shockey or Conversion being mafia based on her filter alone. And I can sense when somebody is mafia from somebody else their filter

On June 30 2018 19:56 Calix wrote:


His TT posts ARE terrible though and don't look like a townie with a legitimate scum read or progression on him. Check his filter for yourself and tell me he actually believes what he's saying about TT.

Go on, I'll wait.

In the meantime, I will draw more attention to this:



To anyone reading this, think about why someone might want to add a sentence that says "I'm pretty sure I used this reasoning before to scum-read someone."

On June 26 2018 16:06 Calix wrote:


Because I can. But I've changed my mind.

##Vote: CopCake

Two reasons for this:

1) Asks stupid questions. This is self-explanatory. She hasn't asked anything that would actually advance the game forward. But they are questions you make when you want to LOOK like you're doing things.

2) Makes excuses for way too many players in way too short a time period which she is probably doing because she has TMI and knows that the players are being genuine.

I'll try and explain the part that first made me suspicious. The several posts she made where she claimed Regfan's post was a joke would seemingly imply that Regfan's post isn't AI (since it's just a joke). But then she says this:



This stood out to me because in the same sentence, she says it's a joke ('probably tried to be funny') but then also gives reasoning that implies Regfan is town for 'putting effort into claiming seer when there is a real seer'. I do not understand how she concludes that a 'meme' or 'joke post' makes someone town just because they put a lot of effort into it. Especially when she says straight afterwards that it is "probably a meme". The thought process seems a bit inconsistent here.

A lot of her posts either make excuses for players or town-read them a bit too easily for my liking. I think it's because she knows they're town and thus KNOWS they're genuine. Here are some examples of where I got this impression:

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I also hated these posts. We have this super-analytical start to the game, CopCake is in the thread as all this stuff is going down, and all she really wants to do is talk about inactives and defend people.

In conclusion, CopCake's early game and her attempts to hide how she isn't pushing the game forward is more likely to come from mafia than town.

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In other news, I've only skim-read the thread and haven't filtered anyone but CopCake. I didn't understand raynpelikoneet's wall-posts on me or how anything he said makes me scummy, not gonna lie.

Mocsta seems townie to me but the main reason I say this is because he's posting differently from his last game (where he was mafia). His tone seems more natural and carefree to me and I don't get the impression he's pushing any kind of agenda.

I haven't properly read the cases put forth by HF, Regfan, Mocsta, rayn, whatever, so no opinion on those until I reread.