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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2018 12:48 GMT
#1881
On June 30 2018 19:52 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2018 19:32 Holyflare wrote:
On June 30 2018 19:27 Mocsta wrote:
On June 30 2018 17:26 Mocsta wrote:
On June 30 2018 17:00 Holyflare wrote:
On June 30 2018 16:47 Mocsta wrote:
Hf

You had no scum reads b4 tt was modkilled

Where are u now?


no scum reads

probably calix I guess
why am i not scum?

like if conversion and others think i am, surely, i should be in your pile?
for hf again


Your reactions seem genuinely offended rather than fake offended. You're still trying to salvage some sort of game and ask questions. That's the reason I'm not scum reading you currently.
so put yourself jn conversion world.
Is it acceptable to throw my name around as a lynch option.

And if calix/shockee arent a pair
If calix is lynched as mafia. Does this indicate a team?
If shockee is lynched as mafia. Does this lock conversion?


I don't think it could be too farfetched to have your name in a scum team.

If Calix is mafia, shockeyy is probably town. Too much campaigning when there were a lot of other alternatives.
If shockeyy is mafia it means nothing to Conversion's alignment.


On June 30 2018 20:36 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2018 16:06 Calix wrote:
On June 26 2018 11:46 Conversion wrote:
@Calix explain why you are on the glorious train to victory by voting Holyflare


Because I can. But I've changed my mind.

##Vote: CopCake

Two reasons for this:

1) Asks stupid questions. This is self-explanatory. She hasn't asked anything that would actually advance the game forward. But they are questions you make when you want to LOOK like you're doing things.

2) Makes excuses for way too many players in way too short a time period which she is probably doing because she has TMI and knows that the players are being genuine.

I'll try and explain the part that first made me suspicious. The several posts she made where she claimed Regfan's post was a joke would seemingly imply that Regfan's post isn't AI (since it's just a joke). But then she says this:

On June 26 2018 10:31 CopCake wrote:
Also rayn I wouldnt take that post seriously (the huge lne) someone also said it is a copy paste?

Like he probably tried to be funny but failed, I mean no mafia would put effort to say “hey I am a seer?” When there is a real one so yeah.


This stood out to me because in the same sentence, she says it's a joke ('probably tried to be funny') but then also gives reasoning that implies Regfan is town for 'putting effort into claiming seer when there is a real seer'. I do not understand how she concludes that a 'meme' or 'joke post' makes someone town just because they put a lot of effort into it. Especially when she says straight afterwards that it is "probably a meme". The thought process seems a bit inconsistent here.

A lot of her posts either make excuses for players or town-read them a bit too easily for my liking. I think it's because she knows they're town and thus KNOWS they're genuine. Here are some examples of where I got this impression:

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 26 2018 10:44 CopCake wrote:
He had the same thinking process as me

- I have free time but no one will do shit
- Actually I will try to do work
- Oh look, a silly post by regfan, it is the more interesting shit but is not worth.

On June 26 2018 11:53 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2018 11:45 Conversion wrote:
On June 26 2018 10:29 CopCake wrote:
Tbh i was about to say ticktock seemed townie lol same with conversion.

I have problems with the big post, from regfan and how people reacted to it. I read it (well skimmed) and I was like “Literally that is fake for the little time”, seemed more of a dumb post/meme thing if everything.


I've done nothing but spam lynch Holyflare, so why am I townie to you?


I literally touch my screen, close my eyes and try to read your aura.

Yours is green.

On June 26 2018 12:20 CopCake wrote:
Nah, Mocsta question about why I asked that makes a lot of sense. It doesnt bother me at all, in fact it is pretty townie.

On June 26 2018 12:28 CopCake wrote:
Yeah it leans mafia, well not exactly how different gemma/reg are but the mini case of you seemed out of place.

I do think your question was reasonable from someone who doesnt know how close rayn and me are ^^ so dont worry there.


On June 26 2018 12:29 CopCake wrote:
Like the person I want to put pressure is HF, Slenderman and let me see who else is inactive

On June 26 2018 12:30 CopCake wrote:
Koshi, Vivax and Boxer


I also hated these posts. We have this super-analytical start to the game, CopCake is in the thread as all this stuff is going down, and all she really wants to do is talk about inactives and defend people.

In conclusion, CopCake's early game and her attempts to hide how she isn't pushing the game forward is more likely to come from mafia than town.




In other news, I've only skim-read the thread and haven't filtered anyone but CopCake. I didn't understand raynpelikoneet's wall-posts on me or how anything he said makes me scummy, not gonna lie.

Mocsta seems townie to me but the main reason I say this is because he's posting differently from his last game (where he was mafia). His tone seems more natural and carefree to me and I don't get the impression he's pushing any kind of agenda.

I haven't properly read the cases put forth by HF, Regfan, Mocsta, rayn, whatever, so no opinion on those until I reread.
i would like another opinion on my observation

This presents very similar to calix case on conversion
By this i mean the flow of thoughts and the emphasised conclusions.

I think its relevant as one case was written with no pressure and the other as a wagon. Yet her mindset is consisteny = honest / pure.

I realise i am referring to 2 posts in a 12 page but i do find this observation to strongly favour town mindset.


I think this is just how she writes cases, regardless of alignment. People's writing styles don't usually change between alignments when writing a case.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2018 12:49 GMT
#1882
On June 30 2018 21:44 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2018 08:56 Conversion wrote:
I shall be back tomorrow with a fresh and invigorated mindset!

Same second completely different mindset.
Makes it likepy the rage is fake. Why fake rage? Cuz mafia.

##vote conversion]


Best chance to hit mafia by far. Fake reads, fake rage and pops in the defend while not biting back.


I value your opinion and will sheep you. This makes me a good townie.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 30 2018 12:49 GMT
#1883
Hmm. Going to read CC because she is like vacant in all filters. HF as well tbh.
I had a good night of sleep.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 30 2018 12:54 GMT
#1884
On June 30 2018 19:17 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2018 17:44 KelsierSC wrote:
Please do not discuss out of game PM's during the game


If they are in game PMs they should both be modkilled thanks. Please pm them individually.


They live in the same city and the one who said who wanted to contact him was me?

Ofc I didnt do it because someone said it was against the rules.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 30 2018 12:58 GMT
#1885
Lol Conversion is NOT mafia, he is me but in manly and with perfect english.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 30 2018 12:58 GMT
#1886
Just the fact conversion posted last minute to save the inactive is good enough reason for me to put my hands on the fire for him.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 30 2018 12:59 GMT
#1887
On June 29 2018 13:26 CopCake wrote:
I am going to re evaluate

Show nested quote +
On June 28 2018 07:36 Tubesock wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count





Tictock[4]:Holyflare, Vivax, Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake
ShoCkeyy[2]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix,Mocsta, Koshi
Calix[1]:raynpelikoneet,Mocsta,CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneet
boxerfred[2]:boxerfred, Holyflare
Holyflare[0]:Conversion Calix
Regfan[0]:Mocsta,Tictock
Koshi[1]:Vivax, Mocsta
TheSlenderMan[1]:TheSlenderMan
CopCake[0]:Vivax, Calix
Vivax[1]:Holyflare,Calix, Regfan
raynpelikoneet [1]:Tictock


Tictock is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 27 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

PM us if you see a mistake.




Show nested quote +
On June 28 2018 08:17 Tubesock wrote:
Final Day 1 Vote Count



Tictock[3]:Holyflare, Vivax, Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake
ShoCkeyy[4]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix,Vivax,Mocsta, Koshi, Regfan,Tictock, Conversion
Calix[0]:raynpelikoneet,Mocsta,CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneet
boxerfred[5]:boxerfred, Holyflare, Mocsta, Calix, Vivax
Holyflare[0]:Conversion Calix
Regfan[0]:Mocsta,Tictock
Koshi[0]:Vivax, Mocsta
TheSlenderMan[1]:TheSlenderMan
CopCake[0]:Vivax, Calix
Vivax[0]:Holyflare,Calix, Regfan
raynpelikoneet [0]:Tictock

Boxerfred has been lynched.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/534884-chill-hop-mafia-vote-thread?page=3

So Calix and Vivax voted at the same time before end of the day to boxerored (2 min)
Tick tock and conversion 1 minute before end of the day to Shockey

If I think about it carefully, TT's numbers were 4, so if conversion stayed with him, it would be the same as Shockey. Both were mafia reads of Conversion's so it would work for him either way, then...

In a world in which conversion is mafia... WHY THE MOVE?

Is TT town and if he flipped town would clear a lot of things?

Is TT mafia and apply the same?

Why to take the risk of the move and be called out for it?

I can see conversion being mafia is TT is mafia and his whole read of TT was just bluff and copy/budding people as you say.


Too many pages to handle. So just looked at her conversion read and there is an inconsistency
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 30 2018 13:01 GMT
#1888
You are here good.

Are you saying in that post that Conversion can only be mafia if TT is mafia?

Yes or no pls.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 30 2018 13:02 GMT
#1889
On June 30 2018 21:58 CopCake wrote:
Just the fact conversion posted last minute to save the inactive is good enough reason for me to put my hands on the fire for him.

That makes 0 sense if Shockeyy is town. Conversion had 2 other scunreads which I already forgot.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 30 2018 13:04 GMT
#1890
My gf is getting slightly antsy asking me a million questions I cant answer because I am reading this. So pls answer quickly.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 30 2018 13:07 GMT
#1891
On June 29 2018 22:29 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2018 07:36 Tubesock wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count





Tictock[4]:Holyflare, Vivax, Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake
ShoCkeyy[2]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix,Mocsta, Koshi
Calix[1]:raynpelikoneet,Mocsta,CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneet
boxerfred[2]:boxerfred, Holyflare
Holyflare[0]:Conversion Calix
Regfan[0]:Mocsta,Tictock
Koshi[1]:Vivax, Mocsta
TheSlenderMan[1]:TheSlenderMan
CopCake[0]:Vivax, Calix
Vivax[1]:Holyflare,Calix, Regfan
raynpelikoneet [1]:Tictock


Tictock is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 27 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

PM us if you see a mistake.



So from here, Boxerfread had two, with calix three.

Mocca’s and vivax is what killed boxerfred.

(Mostly vivax)

There is no way for mafia to control vivax’s actions so assume that TT would be the nail?

This is the confusin part, because from the boxerfred wagon there are at least two mafia or three.

This is why I have a: Calix - HF - TT - Mocca

But I am going to simplify and think they wouldnt have minded the shotckey kill and made TT to vote him to look townie? Idk 😐

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 30 2018 13:12 GMT
#1892
On June 29 2018 22:34 CopCake wrote:
Like it is strange how Calix campaigned HARD to save TT. Tbh I have never ever in my life seen someone go that HARD to save a person.


I cba to wait so here is the inconsistency.

CC claims Conversion is impossible mafia unless with TT. Yet hre next page is filled with reasoning why TT is mafia and she keeps saying conversion is 100% not mafia.

Does not compute.
Mafia agenda:
- Clears conversion when TT flips because it is impossible conversion is mafia now. And TT was likely going to get lynched over convwrsion at that time.



On top of that the entire analysis makes 0 sense and shouldnt be pushed at all. In a TvT lynch conversion can do w.e and then blame the bf wagon and look good doing it.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 30 2018 13:13 GMT
#1893
Come in. Defend Conversion. Get out.

LOL.
I had a good night of sleep.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
June 30 2018 13:14 GMT
#1894
Koshi

How does conversion work if you believe shockee is town?

Like maybe i shouldnt rely on heuristics at eod2 but if copcake was scum. I expect rayn to have clued in by now. And frankly. I find her too polarising ti be scum. Bkg committment to do that thrkughtout the whole game.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 30 2018 13:18 GMT
#1895
On June 30 2018 22:14 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi

How does conversion work if you believe shockee is town?

Like maybe i shouldnt rely on heuristics at eod2 but if copcake was scum. I expect rayn to have clued in by now. And frankly. I find her too polarising ti be scum. Bkg committment to do that thrkughtout the whole game.

Why wouldnt it work? And I do not believe shockey is town. His filter is just okay. But conversion filter is way worse. Dont say things I never said. Why you people do this I will never understand.

Shockey and conversion are 2 different playerd who both can be mafia or town.

The only persons who cannot be mafia together are Calix and Shockeyy. Or they are insanely bussing. Which is possible. Because everything is possible.

Vote people who have highest chamce to be mafia and go from there = thx
I had a good night of sleep.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
June 30 2018 13:19 GMT
#1896
On June 30 2018 21:14 Koshi wrote:
There is nothing in Shockeys filter that makes him mafia. Maybe it is too clean.. blah blah. He makes a lot of posts that solely imply he is town though. Saw like 4 of them easily.

Who is lynch nr 3?
.....

Reads like a town lean to me
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 30 2018 13:20 GMT
#1897
I am out. I played way too long but its okay cuz I didnt llay hard before.

Lynch conversion. Or say very clearly why not.

I ll be back. I think.
Other belgian couple is haunting us now I feel like.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 30 2018 13:20 GMT
#1898
On June 30 2018 22:19 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2018 21:14 Koshi wrote:
There is nothing in Shockeys filter that makes him mafia. Maybe it is too clean.. blah blah. He makes a lot of posts that solely imply he is town though. Saw like 4 of them easily.

Who is lynch nr 3?
.....

Reads like a town lean to me

Yes. But I like the case "implies too many times he is town and just that"
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 30 2018 13:21 GMT
#1899
My read on him is "I wouldnt lynch him but maybe he is mafia."
I had a good night of sleep.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
June 30 2018 13:23 GMT
#1900
On June 30 2018 22:18 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2018 22:14 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi

How does conversion work if you believe shockee is town?

Like maybe i shouldnt rely on heuristics at eod2 but if copcake was scum. I expect rayn to have clued in by now. And frankly. I find her too polarising ti be scum. Bkg committment to do that thrkughtout the whole game.

Why wouldnt it work? And I do not believe shockey is town. His filter is just okay. But conversion filter is way worse. Dont say things I never said. Why you people do this I will never understand.

Shockey and conversion are 2 different playerd who both can be mafia or town.

The only persons who cannot be mafia together are Calix and Shockeyy. Or they are insanely bussing. Which is possible. Because everything is possible.

Vote people who have highest chamce to be mafia and go from there = thx
im not going to be around lynch

My focus is to put a vote on whom i think is scum and whom will get traction

I refuse to vote calix and could do 1 of shockee or conversion.

My preferred was shockee cos i think it clears calix and should make game easier to resolve
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