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On June 27 2018 23:49 Calix wrote:Talking to me? I am assuming you're asking why I'm not calling you mafia despite your play somewhat matching what I think mafia does, I don't think you not doing much on D1 means anything other than you being busy because you're more than capable of curb-stomping the thread towards my mislynch if you really wanted to. I haven't properly read your filter but I remember one moment where it looked like you were preparing to attack Mocsta and then you saw a post from him and said "nah" and it looked kinda townie to me. Because you gave yourself the opportunity to go after someone and try and get them lynched while disturbing the 'town circle' and looking like you're doing something. And you didn't take it. Also because you're not D1 lynch material and you haven't really done anything scummy to make me change my mind so I'm fine to let you do whatever for the time being. So yeah. sigh this is legit about hf
Like as mafia he really had no need to drop his read on me
No need at all
I still would have thought he would be biting onto something at this point of the game though.
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On June 28 2018 01:54 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 00:44 CopCake wrote:
Before I forget because I am going to work
Ticktok’s suddenly change of heart on calix was pretty strange. Like if he knew from the beggining Calix was like a “Super God” playing mafia why didnt he say thay since the beggining? It would give me another background. I also didnt like his smooth talk of “appeal to emotion” towards wanting me to change my vote. I'm not a god-tier mafia player though, lol. I don't know how TT has that impression of me. I don't want to lynch TT and don't like how that might become an alternative to myself + Show Spoiler +(this is based on my impressions of the thread: I actually have no idea who is the lynch right now) when there aren't any compelling reasons to kill him from what I remember. What I mean is that I've seen a lot of anti-TT posts but I can't actually remember many of them and the ones I can remember weren't convincing. If one of the people scum-reading him wants to explain why he's mafia or make an actual case instead of unremarkable one-liners then I'll try hearing you out. But right now, no way. IMPORTANT post
I think this stems as the core of the whole tt/calix team
But with tt town. Read this post carefully
I have read calix d1 filter carefully and her position is ABSOLUTELY consistent and predictable.
calix. Welcome to my town circle
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There is nothing in Shockeys filter that makes him mafia. Maybe it is too clean.. blah blah. He makes a lot of posts that solely imply he is town though. Saw like 4 of them easily.
Who is lynch nr 3?
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I have to leave soon. I won't be back until ~1 hour before EOD. Since it's a weekend, there's no guarantee anyone will be around in the event that I am still the leading wagon. But I'll take that risk.
I switched my vote to ShoCkeyy in the meantime.
##vote ShoCkeyy
I would like to remind everyone that Conversion and ShoCkeyy have done almost NO game-solving this cycle.
Don't believe me? Lemme get into it.
ShoCkeyy's reads have not changed whatsoever. He responded to his main scum-read mod-killing himself with that hilarious "I don't believe the guy who posted his role PM is legit" post and then fucked off so he wouldn't have to put in any work.
Conversion also has very static reads and zero drive to do anything. After EOD1, he kept his HF/ TT scum-team. It's only when I pushed him that he magically saw the validity of rayn's points against me. Then his lynch pool changes to Koshi/ Calix/ HF/ Mocsta AND HE DOESN'T EVEN EXPLAIN WHY HE THINKS SHOCKEYY IS TOWN.
Read this post and tell me that it makes sense for him to COMPLETELY ignore ShoCkeyy when it comes to his evaluations (most of which is filler). Oh wait:
My head right now is that there is at least one Mafia in this boxerfred nonsense. I'm thinking HF for even initiating it to begin with because the Light of God touched his brain 4 hours before EoD whatever and people followed, which is why I want him dead.
If the rest of the shenanigan wagon is pure, that means the team is HF +2. Mocsta has been doing nothing after he tried to catch up to 20 pages, and his reasoning for boxerfred switch was trash. You and Vivax may be the only two that have an actual reason to do so, and I'm not quite entirely convinced you did it 100% just to save Tictock either.
That makes Hf/Mocsta/Calix my pool since Vivax is dead.
Then we have everyone else. Rayn is town unless someone is going to counterclaim him for whatever reason. Slendy/Me/Copcake/Koshi. Koshi's on vacation or whatever, but mafia!Koshi doesn't play unless he's threatened. He tends to just seep into the background and have people ignore him. I honestly think Cop is town, and I know I'm town because I read my PM and I'm not illiterate
That leaves Hf/Mocsta/Calix/Koshi being my pool, and if you flip town whatever. I don't really want to waste my time trying to figure a game out when two people want to be babies and modkill themselves out when the pressure isn't even heavy and three people don't even play the game and forget they're even playing. Waste of my time.
What I'm saying is that they're reactive. They're not interested about digging into things, finding townies, narrowing down a POE, questioning people to find why they think what they do, etc. They're literally doing nothing and they're getting away with it!
If you don't see what I mean, compare what they're doing to what rayn (the medic dude) is doing. Even though Rayn's reads have not changed much, he still pokes and looks into things during the D2 cycle. Because rayn actually gives a fuck about the game and about finding the answers.
These two simply do NOT care.
Since I've done more game-solving than those two put together, leaving me alive to fight it out tomorrow makes more sense. Especially since I'll have more free time after today.
If you guys REALLY don't see that I'm town by that point then fine, I will accept that I royally fucked up somewhere. But until then, nah.
Anyway, break a leg and try not to fuck this one up.
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On June 29 2018 23:35 Conversion wrote:
Last point. The thing is I can maybe see town!Calix casing me, but I don't see the logic behind town!Calix suddenly having a eureka moment and saying Shockeyy+Conversion is the team? It just seems like a cheap mafia shot to try and keep the Shockeyy momentum and if he flips town, which he most likely will, to keep another easier mislynch open that isn't her mafia team.
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On June 30 2018 07:43 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2018 07:36 Calix wrote:On June 30 2018 07:30 Conversion wrote:
I didn't roll scum, actually. Your reasons for scumreading are terrible. You literally townread everyone and instead of critically thinking that Shockeyy + Conversion team is absolutely stupid, you read it as if you having some sort of enlightening moment.
Your post to TT is so dumb. "Oh yeah everyone is playing stupid so you're totally allowed to kill yourself" lol. Like seriously?
Your reasoning right now is rayn is claimed doc town, HF is town, TT is town, you have AFKer Koshi and Slender who's probably town, so you think that Conversion/Shockeyy/Cop, the only three remaining, are the mafia team. Your depth of thinking is terrible and you're either just reaching to try and find sense, or you're just mafia throwing shit and defending confirmed townies to give yourself towncred, and then flipping 180s to the "unsure" townies to gut them against each other.
I don't give a shit about playing a game where people sign up, AFK, barely play, modkill themselves off one of the least toxic games I have witnessed. Yes, seriously. He was one of the few people I actually LIKED playing with this game and I'm disappointed I can't play with him anymore. And that I have to deal with the rest of the thread. I think that team makes a lot of sense and insulting me won't change my mind. If I'm so horribly wrong then why not try and correct me? You said I could just be 'misguided town' after all ^^ Rayn self-resolves, yes. I never said anything about Slender being 'probably town'. I said Koshi was townie for agreeing with me at EOD because I'm vain. You're implying I defended TT at EOD1 as if I would know he would mod-kill himself, lol. I don't think CopCake is mafia. You mean Mocsta. Not that I'm 100% convinced there by any stretch. I just find his reads to be extremely malleable whenever someone comes up with something 'better' and he looks worse the more he does it. Dude has been emo-ing for 24+ hours now, I'm surprised he just didn't modkill himself earlier. That's why I backed the pressure off him, but whatever. This game is so dumb that I run into people with more mental fortitude playing a toxic ass game like DotA. My head right now is that there is at least one Mafia in this boxerfred nonsense. I'm thinking HF for even initiating it to begin with because the Light of God touched his brain 4 hours before EoD whatever and people followed, which is why I want him dead. If the rest of the shenanigan wagon is pure, that means the team is HF +2. Mocsta has been doing nothing after he tried to catch up to 20 pages, and his reasoning for boxerfred switch was trash. You and Vivax may be the only two that have an actual reason to do so, and I'm not quite entirely convinced you did it 100% just to save Tictock either. That makes Hf/Mocsta/Calix my pool since Vivax is dead. Then we have everyone else. Rayn is town unless someone is going to counterclaim him for whatever reason. Slendy/Me/Copcake/Koshi. Koshi's on vacation or whatever, but mafia!Koshi doesn't play unless he's threatened. He tends to just seep into the background and have people ignore him. I honestly think Cop is town, and I know I'm town because I read my PM and I'm not illiterate That leaves Hf/Mocsta/Calix/Koshi being my pool, and if you flip town whatever. I don't really want to waste my time trying to figure a game out when two people want to be babies and modkill themselves out when the pressure isn't even heavy and three people don't even play the game and forget they're even playing. Waste of my time.
The feeling I get from reading both posts is that Mocsta/HF/Conversion are mafia and that Calix and Koshi are the 2 following mlynches.
That is the mafia wincon Conversion is pushing here.
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I should be the easiest mislynch to push, dunno why nobody is pushing it hard.
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On June 29 2018 07:34 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2018 07:16 Mocsta wrote:On June 28 2018 23:51 Conversion wrote:
Mocsta, why did you vote BF? Lack of choice my filter is very transparent about what I walked into... 20+pages and a shit-show. I can't help it if people dont like how I reacted to that, but I doubt others could have done much better Didn't you hard townread Regfan who said don't vote boxerfred, and wanted to lynch Shockeyy? or anyone but boxerfred?
What does this even imply?
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On June 30 2018 21:23 Holyflare wrote:
I should be the easiest mislynch to push, dunno why nobody is pushing it hard.
Why are you easier to push than me?
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On June 28 2018 03:14 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 03:02 Calix wrote:On June 28 2018 02:26 Conversion wrote:@Calix you can just CTRL+F Shock here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/528031-heroes-of-the-storm-mafia?user=Conversion&view=allbut I aggregated some things. I think I just put him on a low-key read but don't dwell on because I tried way too hard to read into him in the aforementioned game and was just straight up wrong. + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2017 11:32 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 11:27 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2017 11:24 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2017 11:10 Conversion wrote:On November 01 2017 11:09 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2017 10:55 Tictock wrote:And I'm caught up. I dislike Shokey calling out people who haven't posted yet this early in the game. Also people should talk about this: What do you make of HF voting Damer, the pressuring you for also thinking Damer might be mafia? HF wasn't pressuring conv for thinking damer might be mafia. He pressured him because of the reasons he gave for disliking him weren't good. and you haven't followed up with anything, either. What's your opinion on the thread so far? Am I scummy for acting similarly to my last game? What about Shockey? Is he clear lynch bait, or is he mafia? What's your opinion on the interactions between me, rux, and HF? What's your opinion on TicTock's string of posts, and the conclusion he comes from it? true Well I think your reasoning for disliking damerion seemed pretty forced. Like if you had to think of something because you got asked. To the other things: If I don't say anything about other things it usally means I have no opinon on them. I'm newbie so it is still hard for me to figure out how I interpret posts and I prefer to wait until more is said before I give hasty reads I change anyways. So yes you are scummy. Fair. Hope that changes over the course of the game, b/c I'm not scum but I can see where you're coming from I guess. Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 07:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:
lol at this early game posting. Is this the new meta? To just claim something and then hope no one notices you lied? I don't really like this entrance, and I don't really like his last post of "let's just wait for AFKers to come in." you shouldn't be sitting around twiddling your thumbs and waiting for people to not be AFK. it's awful behavior, and there was more than enough content to push some buttons/ask questions and agendas no bueno On November 01 2017 11:41 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 11:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:I mean the game just started, there is nothing to really post about other than Conversion getting triggered about being "grilled"... I also posted the list because I mentioned it's too early to even try to vote because these "list" haven't posted yet. I haven't really played with any of you other than Holy, Damred, Vivax, and what may be Oatsmaster (but I don't recall). So I'm still just poking around and seeing what comes out of what. I don't mind taking the fall for now until some one slips, cause it's what I usually do. So far those who are "suspicious" of me, one of them have a good chance at being scum  I just pointed your entrance out b/c it's like Tictock randomly de-towning me in his list for not seeing obvious joke posts.. except you applied that to a broader audience instead of just me. Seemed like a lazy, forced comment about a bunch of fluff that came out within the first hour of the game On November 02 2017 01:14 Conversion wrote:
I'm voting ShoCkeyy until he stops dodging me for whatever reason. On November 02 2017 07:03 Conversion wrote:
someone explain to me why shockey is bad town instead of scum for his leaps in logic and deflecting shit back onto me because I'm not seeing it and he should be lynched because he is scum On November 02 2017 07:34 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2017 07:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I chose to dodge it, so there's my reason. I don't need to deal with you anymore but you insist, I've caught you messing up with your own posts, I've already proven that my reading comprehension isn't off, and you're easily triggered. I rather deal with others at this point.
And you're not being any help. Brb my sun here. you’re not dealing with anyone. you come up when someone mentions you then disappear again your behavior is 100% clear as day scum. try harder On November 03 2017 06:30 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 06:28 Vivax wrote:
Well my vote stands and I explained why I'm not going to vote TT.
I'm not feeling a Ruxxar lynch either atm.
Shockey is simply the best lynch and I'm not going to do anything besides pointing to today's arguments and voting him for the rest of the game.
As I said, lynch shockey or feed. I mirror this part 1000% I took the liberty of reading Shockeyy's filter that game and I don't agree he's playing the same way. The excessive confidence in his reads is not present in that Heroes filter. He actually has some reasons for town-reading people that AREN'T pre-flips. He's less arrogant, for lack of a better word. Actually seems to be having fun in that game. There are some aspects that are similar, like 'baiting' people, making questionable arguments against players and flippantly throwing out pre-flip associations like confetti, but overall I think this filter actually gives evidence AGAINST him being town. I acknowledge I may be confirmation-biasing myself here but I think the point about how he's excessively overdoing his confidence in his reads holds. I'm not comparing playstyles, was just giving an example of me being frustrated at Shockeyy's playstyle and seeing a connection between you and him to me and him in a previous game. I don't like comparing meta TOO much unless I feel like it's completely different from a recent game.. like I did with rsoultin at Vendee since I just end up wasting a ton of time as decent mafia players just play similarly town or mafia
Town!Calix attacking and mafia!conversion defending
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On June 28 2018 06:14 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 05:07 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2018 01:58 Conversion wrote:
Tictock’s unlynchable bit bothered me and then he chooses to completely ignore the fact that I wasn’t trying to actually policy you and make up some crap about how I perceive you when playing together, and pins that as why I pushed you for the greater half of day1, which is just a flat out lie. I don’t see the reason for town anyone to misrepresent something I clarified about and then disseminate false information. It wasn’t even a mistake of misreading my filter, it was pulled out of thin air. You only came out and said your HF read wasn't serious (yet at the same time you still implied he could be mafia kus you called him "unimpressive") 7 hours ago. I also remember you doing this gung-ho lynch HF d1 stuff before. It is clearly something you just do, which is why I said ppl should ignore it. So tell me, how was I misrepresenting anything? My kneejerk reaction brain wants to suggest a Rayn/Conv/Sho team right now. I am also apparently unable to stop responding to whatever I feel like, and am probably not getting to doing any filters before my meal is over. Since when does calling someone unimpressive imply they are mafia? Unimpressive means unimpressive. Also find a game where I tried to legitimately get HF lynched day one all “gung-ho” style, cause I can’t remember ever doing that.
Unimpressive implies mafia.
Then the job he lets TT do is just random. It doesnt mean anything yet he uses it as defense.
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On June 28 2018 06:17 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 06:15 Calix wrote:On June 28 2018 06:14 Conversion wrote:On June 28 2018 05:07 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2018 01:58 Conversion wrote:
Tictock’s unlynchable bit bothered me and then he chooses to completely ignore the fact that I wasn’t trying to actually policy you and make up some crap about how I perceive you when playing together, and pins that as why I pushed you for the greater half of day1, which is just a flat out lie. I don’t see the reason for town anyone to misrepresent something I clarified about and then disseminate false information. It wasn’t even a mistake of misreading my filter, it was pulled out of thin air. You only came out and said your HF read wasn't serious (yet at the same time you still implied he could be mafia kus you called him "unimpressive") 7 hours ago. I also remember you doing this gung-ho lynch HF d1 stuff before. It is clearly something you just do, which is why I said ppl should ignore it. So tell me, how was I misrepresenting anything? My kneejerk reaction brain wants to suggest a Rayn/Conv/Sho team right now. I am also apparently unable to stop responding to whatever I feel like, and am probably not getting to doing any filters before my meal is over. Since when does calling someone unimpressive imply they are mafia? Unimpressive means unimpressive. Also find a game where I tried to legitimately get HF lynched day one all “gung-ho” style, cause I can’t remember ever doing that. Hey hey. TT is like super town. So instead of fighting with him, vote ShoCkeyy. The dude is still completely misrepresenting me, sticking with it, and then even saying knee-jerk I am scum after softly calling me town all game? Hasn't talked to me at all until this post. That is not town, like at all.
Mafia mad he got called out on something small but correct. Or in his eyes not but doesnt matter.
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On June 30 2018 21:23 Holyflare wrote:
I should be the easiest mislynch to push, dunno why nobody is pushing it hard. can you please review the posts and conclusion i made on calix
I would like your opinion
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On June 28 2018 07:51 Conversion wrote:
I think we have a good shot of lynching HF. Me+ Vivax + Calix, TT if he joins in.
Choo choo?
Here you see mafia!conversion forget about his TT read and adds him to his townreads.
Nit sure that this is what is happening here but cba to look up. If somebody wants to do it go ahead.
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On June 28 2018 07:52 Conversion wrote:
Otherwise I'm sticking to TT. No way town!TT doesn't vote Shock here after scumreading him and having a chance to get him lynched over himself.
Probably not because 1 min later he calls tt mafia again. Dnu what to make of these quotes then. Probably nothing.
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On June 30 2018 21:24 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2018 21:23 Holyflare wrote:
I should be the easiest mislynch to push, dunno why nobody is pushing it hard. Why are you easier to push than me?
you've said nothing worth anything
I've been inconsistent as fuck and aren't posting but still being around
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On June 28 2018 08:12 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 08:00 Holyflare wrote:
Lo and behold mafia conversion saves mafi bf. ?????
Very weak attack on HF and I am assuming after the flip.
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On June 28 2018 08:56 Conversion wrote:
shoot me if you have to. somehow people have become more of a drama queen than I have and that's just boring. I'm just going to go play some shit game like DotA if I want to be surrounded by people giving up 10% of the way in the game
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On June 28 2018 08:56 Conversion wrote:
I shall be back tomorrow with a fresh and invigorated mindset!
Same second completely different mindset.
Makes it likepy the rage is fake. Why fake rage? Cuz mafia.
##vote conversion]
Best chance to hit mafia by far. Fake reads, fake rage and pops in the defend while not biting back.
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On June 30 2018 21:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2018 21:24 Koshi wrote:On June 30 2018 21:23 Holyflare wrote:
I should be the easiest mislynch to push, dunno why nobody is pushing it hard. Why are you easier to push than me? you've said nothing worth anything I've been inconsistent as fuck and aren't posting but still being around
I'll add this to inherent mafia guilt. Or w.e it is called.
Good stuff.
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