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I think rayn, HF, Koshi, and Kita are all town. Fuba too.
I normally dislike nitpickers. Mocsta is definitely nitpicking. But we’re on day 57 or something and only on page 20, so ya kinda have to nitpick. I won’t be voting him today because of that.
HF already said, and I think someone already alluded to what I think about Grack. Grack was worried about his vote appearance and then after he got grief he changed his posting style. I don’t think townGrack cares that much to change up. His reads are typically REALLY good. He just doesn’t seem to be as good at or care about his survival ability or getting his Lynch in games.
I think Iamperfection is the player everyone knows is mafia, but no one wants to kill him cause he’s a lurker and a slow game will be even slower if we decide to lynch him early in the day.
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To be more clear about Mocsta. It’s not that I think he’s twin, it’s more becoming less sure of him being mafia. I’ve been in his spot where I thought way differently from the game and everyone thought I was scummy.
But his hypocrisy is delicious. Complaining about HF doing things that Mocsta is doing to HF.
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I agree that the best play is to kill iamp over mocsta today. Let mocsta pick up tomorrow or die
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I am voting mocsta though
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Day 2 Vote Count
iamperfection [3]: iamperfection, Tubesock, KelsierSC
Holyflare [1]: raynpelikoneet
fuba [1]: fuba, Grackaroni
kitaman27 [1]: Mocsta, raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet [1]: kitaman27
Rels [1]: Rels
TheSlenderMan [1]: TheSlenderMan
Koshi [2]: Grackaroni, Koshi, Grackaroni, Holyflare
Mocsta [1]: Koshi
iamperfection is currently the lynch.
The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 13 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
If there is an error in the vote count, which there probably is, let me know.
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I voted iamp because I dont want to die.
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On June 14 2018 01:37 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2018 01:34 Holyflare wrote:On June 14 2018 01:30 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2018 01:25 Holyflare wrote:On June 14 2018 00:44 Koshi wrote:On June 13 2018 07:20 Mocsta wrote:On June 13 2018 00:03 Koshi wrote:
Kita tries hard but I like it
This read is consistent with the comment made about rayn Take back comment b4. Didnt see this. What makes you say he is trying hard?all i see is surface level content and questions that lead no where... Oh ok. Due to earlier bluntness I shall answer this one. Kita types many words in a game you don't need to type many words. I did no research if the many words have complicated thought process behind them.But I am quite sure he doesn't have to attack so many people. Anyway. If he is mafia he is hardtrying on an insane level. 6. kitaman27
Can't be fucking mafia showing this much effort and I actually like to read his posts because they seems smart but I will glance his filter and write another sentence.
I think this guy is town because his reads line up with mine and he has made a lot of small smart reads that people don't bother reading because they are retarded fucks or mafia. Anyway, if he is mafia he is one of the best mafia players out there. Who is mafia and reads and understand the game on this level when not a single townie gives a fuck??? lol ?? How do you know if you say you haven't read them? Oh another retard. Where the fuck did I say I didn't read them? I literally said I read them. You even bolded that part you dumb fuck. And there is a huge difference between understanding the full game and how people think and why they think what they think and just glancing and looking if people type up smart or really indepth shit. If you read them then you should know if they are surface level posts or not. You then proceed to call them good posts. How can you read them and think they're good but have no idea if they're surface level? I don't want to talk to you. Read my posts. Or don't. If you don't understand simple shit like this I don't really give a fuck.
Mate you just pulled out a kita post and questioned his conclusion and basically said it's surface level. Don't expect anyone to listen to what you say if you can't even keep your story straight 
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Honest question koshi why do you play mafia when you just play like you're in obs chat?
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I'm happy you started playing btw. Even if it's to be a dick to me.
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I voted mocsta because even though iamp is probably the correct lynch, mocsta is the more deserved lynch that would make me feel better.
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Due to recent comments I will stay on iamp.
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On June 14 2018 01:58 Tubesock wrote:
I think rayn, HF, Koshi, and Kita are all town. Fuba too.
I normally dislike nitpickers. Mocsta is definitely nitpicking. But we’re on day 57 or something and only on page 20, so ya kinda have to nitpick. I won’t be voting him today because of that.
HF already said, and I think someone already alluded to what I think about Grack. Grack was worried about his vote appearance and then after he got grief he changed his posting style. I don’t think townGrack cares that much to change up. His reads are typically REALLY good. He just doesn’t seem to be as good at or care about his survival ability or getting his Lynch in games.
I think Iamperfection is the player everyone knows is mafia, but no one wants to kill him cause he’s a lurker and a slow game will be even slower if we decide to lynch him early in the day.
You're very level headed. I appreciate you being in this game.
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So, i got home a bit earlier than i thought.
I strongly believe 2 out of the trio of HF/kitaman/iamperfection are mafia.
I have said everything i have on iamperfection, there is not really much to say. We are talking about a dude who has only once been mislynched as town and even that was the joke of a game where all townies basically killed themselves (and Mocsta killed a couple of medics) and me and kita just yoloed iamperfection lynch just because... Fun times. But the point is the dude is actually good at playing town adn can't play as mafia even if his life depended on it. So probably mafia.
Here is why Holyflare is probably mafia.
On June 12 2018 16:26 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2018 16:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Your read on me is 100x worse than my read on Palmar.
So, am i still mafia or what? Well I've based my read on you on facts and what you did this game. You've based your read on clearly false meta that was obviously terrible. You're not in a position to criticise. Nk says you are. Gut says probably not.
This makes absolutely zero sense in any world. The only things that have changed after D1 regarding me is that Palmar flipped town (should not look better on me), and Superbia died (HF himself says this points towards me). Why does his gut say i am town? It is simply unbelieveable because his gut should never in any world say i am more likely to be town than on D1.
Second thing, "kita is scum that's all i have to say". Let's look at the D2. What has Holyflare done regarding this read of his. Yeah, absolutely nothing, except for vote and wants to now lynch the person who has been on kitaman all game long. Note that this could be a reason why his "gut could say i am town" but if that doesn't apply to Mocsta it cannot possibly apply to me aswell. Standard mafia play, do nothing with your reads you were so "confident" in.
Third thing is HF very well knows iamperfection's reputation. Funny fact is he is accusing me of "not lynching your top scumread" and then voting for fucking Mocsta (who is btw town) over a trashcan player. Fucking unbelieveable how he can work against his own standards (which also btw don't apply to me just fyi).
Very very likely to be mafia.
kitaman is scum for this.
On June 11 2018 14:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:I'll try to make a couple of these reads more understandable. Normally when you search for mafia you question things and search for answers for what you feel like you don't understand or can't make a decision on. Then you make a decision and act on it. What kitaman does is he already has found his answer (and i am not talking about if he is right or wrong because townies can be wrong ofc -- but the important part is he clearly has found an answer) but after that he is still trying to look like he is looking for answers. That's not a way townies ever operate in this game. No matter how good or bad you are it's just not a way you operate, ever. I understand what you are saying about strength of votes Mocsta, but that is something i am not talking about here. I am mostly talking about this post: Show nested quote +When you said that Palmar's post couldn't have been genuine it read more like "I haven't posted anything wrong yet so he can't possibly have caught me". Your claim that the initial Palmar post was relevant scumhunting doesn't carry much weight considering the comment was made in passing and you don't directly confront him until now after 3-4 people start pressuring you. Read this post very carefully. That is a scumread. If this is your read, and you believe it, why do you ever feel like you need to reconsider. He earlier said he wanted me to explain my stance. At that point the votes on me had already happened, so how can whatever i say change his mind??? There is simply no answer i can give that should make him think oterwise he says in this post, so why ask the question in the first place? It doesn't make any sense. Second instance is the one where he asks Palmar about his read on me. Two things to note here: 1) The thing i quoted above is already what he thinks, and there is no way i am mafia with Palmar, again a completely pointless question he cannot possibly achieve anything from 2) Let's imagine (1) is incorrect and he thinks he can actually gain something from Palmar's answer. Palmar answers with a one-liner post that doesn't show anything but ignorance towards the game. Where does this "reconsidering my reads" that kitaman so roots for ever show? Absolutely nowhere, he never even touches Palmar's answer with a long stick while that is the KEY POINT to where he stands in this game regarding reads and if he is right or wrong. I call fucking bullshit.
Same thing happens with Slendy. kitaman expects and asks him for his read on me. The answer is (like Palmar's on D1 to him) never ever pleasing in any way, yet he doesn't take that anywhere, nor does he call the person mafia. Once again i call bullshit. Same thing with Grack, he ask something about an explanation of my read on him and it never goes anywhere. The dude is fucking filled with useless crap that apparently never leads anywhere in his mind.
This is what kitaman's play looks like in this game:
kita 5yrs old: "mommyy i want a lollipoooooop!!!!"
mom: "no dear, we can't buy you a lollipop here"
kita 5yrs old: "MOOOMMMYYY YOU ARE EVILLLL I HATE YOU!!!!"
mom: "you can't have a lollipop here sweetie"
kita 5yrs old: "But why mom?"
mom: "because they don't sell lollipops in this store"
kita 5yrs old: "MOOOMMMYYY I WANT A LOLLIPOOOOOP YOU ARE EVILLLL I HATE YOU!!!!"
Maybe a five year old cannot comprehend answers, make decisions or rethink his reads based on them, or as another option asks completely useless questions that aren't even leading them anywhere because he already knows he wants a lollipop and no lollipop means war in any case, but i don't think kitaman is 5 years old anymore.
So yeah there is that.
I know i am like 90% wrong on one of those people but i simply have no time to figure it out anymore and almost everyone wants to lynch something retarded or are not playing apparently....
Koshi can still be mafia although i agree his latest post look slightly better. Too bad they still don't contribute anything to the game.
Fuck you Rels for not playing. You're town but still fuck you. Am i surprised? No.
Slendy can easily be mafia. Based on this post:
On June 12 2018 08:34 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Gun to my head I'd say rayn's Town but I'm not feeling confident about him yet. I can actually see why Palmar would be legit convinced that rayn's start was a scum one. I also want to mention that the possibility of a kitaman-rayn Scum-duo is something my gut finds plausible.
Alas, been nursing a fairly epic hangover so it's not just rayn I "don't feel confident about" after the first readthrough.
I see a lot of interactions that SEEM like they should help PoE possible Scummiosi. OTOH, I have the recollection that over here players tend to be very aggressive bussers?
Regardless of that, many of the questions I have will have clearer answers to them after a more sober re-read and some real-time D2 discussion.
Some brief random thoughts: the way Rels talked about rayn in the in-and-out-of-the-Thread -post actually makes me suspect he's Town. rayn is the person I'd assume busyTown!Rels to "sheep" like that.
Fuba's tone during N1 makes him the person I'd Vote right now if I wasn't feeling too damn tired to open the official Vote-thread.
Couldn't remember a single post by Superbia as I saw the PC-post so that probably means the Scummiosi are Power Role -hunting.
iamperfection hasn't been posting much but the lack of the luster rings Town to me.
Holyflare I like as Town.
Grackaroni, Mocksta, Koshi and kitaman are players who trouble me moreso than the ones not mentioned.
There are a couple of things that bother me a great deal.
- First one is the " I can actually see why Palmar would be legit convinced that rayn's start was a scum one". What's the point? Who cares what he thinks about this since Palmar has already flipped? I have a really hard time seeing him making this comment as town.
- Then there is the "the possibility of a kitaman-rayn Scum-duo is something my gut finds plausible". No no no. I have a very hard time seeing him making this comment as town.
I know this guy personally, and he doesn't seem town rn.
Kelsier is a ?-mark.
Other people are town. And fuck you all for telling me i can't - or there is no reason - townread someone. Or even fucking worse when i give my reasoning tell the thread it's not a reasoning (i want to lynch kitaman for this the most). If you're town HF you can go to your own corner and learn how to read people like Superbia and fuba.
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This is always the best lynch. Holyflare should be dead already, if Holyflare does not die in the next 2 nights just straight out lynch him. There are literally very few reasons (that are bad) why a guy who is townread by 11 other players during N1 does not die and the one bad reason has been now excluded from the pool. So yeah, murder HF D4 if he is alive (unless he has lynched 2 mafia which is impossible with his current vote btw).
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I jsut want to point this out:
On June 12 2018 05:23 Holyflare wrote:
Kita is probably mafia, that's all I have to say.
On June 13 2018 15:52 Holyflare wrote:
Mocsta/fuba are probably our best lynches today. I'd edge towards fuba personally.
On June 13 2018 16:50 Holyflare wrote:
Maybe mocsta actually
On June 14 2018 03:18 Holyflare wrote:
I voted mocsta because even though iamp is probably the correct lynch, mocsta is the more deserved lynch that would make me feel better.
sure bro.
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On June 14 2018 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:I jsut want to point this out: Show nested quote +On June 12 2018 05:23 Holyflare wrote:
Kita is probably mafia, that's all I have to say. Show nested quote +On June 13 2018 15:52 Holyflare wrote:
Mocsta/fuba are probably our best lynches today. I'd edge towards fuba personally. Show nested quote +On June 14 2018 03:18 Holyflare wrote:
I voted mocsta because even though iamp is probably the correct lynch, mocsta is the more deserved lynch that would make me feel better. sure bro.
Note that this is an actual denial to follow what one says he believes earlier instead of HF's D1 bullshit crap fucking ass case on me.
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Oh yeah i forgot one thing.
The pool of kita/HF/iamp/slendy/(kelsier) never really comment on any of the other people in that group (yeah i know HF called kita scum but you can probably see why that doesn't count -- slendy also "called kita scum", i put that on quotation marks because he just gave some weird list idk where that is supposed to lead). I understand there is not much to comment on iamp/slendy/kelsier, but kita especially addressed slendy, and i would think both kita and HF would have at least fucking interacted with each other ONCE in the game lol in case they were town.
HF/kita/iamp 2 mafia
slendy (most likely)/kelsier/koshi(least likely) 1 mafia
everyone else is town.
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I will also say that Mocsta is a terrible lynch and if you are town you should not be voting there.
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Holyflare should not expect me to have killed Superbia because i would honestly kill any other person in the game over Superbia and Rels N1, 100%. If i am mafia i was making them "my allies" and i would never ever shoot Superbia. There are these people who could kill Superbia if Holyflare is not mafia.
Rest of my scumlist + Mocsta, but Mocsta is not mafia.
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Koshi only because he is afk, Kshi himself deciding a kill would not shoot Superbia.
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If you have time before deadline go read Palmar's case on kitaman in the last PYP game.
I don't remember the name but kitaman was scum, there were 2 scumteams and Palmar had a perfect case on him. I don't know if it has similarities to this game, if it does always vote for him. I can't be around before the deadline. rels you know the game you were mafia with Cake if i remember correctly.
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