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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 20 2018 10:06 GMT
#381
These massive quote trains are so confusing to sort through when you're not there to witness them happen.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 20 2018 10:09 GMT
#382
Can you explain in a post that fits within my attention span if you think Exo is mafia or town and why rayn?
Computer says mafia
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
March 20 2018 10:12 GMT
#383
On March 20 2018 19:00 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2018 18:46 ExO_ wrote:
On March 20 2018 18:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2018 18:07 ExO_ wrote:
On March 20 2018 18:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2018 18:02 Holyflare wrote:
On March 20 2018 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2018 17:47 ExO_ wrote:
On March 20 2018 16:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2018 16:15 Mocsta wrote:
[quote]Last post for a bit. Need to reserve some for influx of people waking up.

In short, I find #291 to be a serious post. I think it demonstrates a lack of care to read the thread.
Does this make Ex0_ mafia or town... well, whilst both parties do this, I think town is more likely than mafia to NOT read closely early game; and mafia is more likely than town to do this as the game progresses and becomes a waiting match.

I get what you are saying here but my problem is that the FIRST and pretty much the ONLY thing Exo focused on at that point in the game was the Kelsier "read" from Holyflare. I literally gave him the answer he was looking for and Kelsier commented on THAT post.

Exo reads Kelsier's post but somehow he has managed to completely miss the post Kelsier is commenting on (aka my post) when it is pretty much the ONLY thing he has focused in the game so far. I find it quite hard to believe a townie picks up something they find interesting and then either:
1) completely forget it was interesting the next moment, or
2) completely "miss" the point made on the fact that he found interesting and even question the dude who basically points out the post again.


I’m pretty confused here. Kelsier made a comment your post was the beat in the game so far, and implied it was because you agreed mocsta was being a fucktard. You never said this.
Re-reading just now, he’s trying to claim these were two separate statements (your post was best, mocsta is a fucktard) but It didn’t read that way to me.


His "best point" was a comment to me telling Holyflare's Kelsier read is completely crap, something you were interested in earlier but somehow managed to miss this, twice.......


I also thought he was referencing your mocsta point. You apparently did too because you said "what mocsta point"

The thing is if he really cared about this he would go read my filter and maybe he missed my post on Kelsier earlier but there is no way he goes read my filter and misses it the second time around.



I did reread your filter. However I didn’t make the connection here.

That being said, Kelsier, as of right now what’s your read on HF?

Okay let's makje it very simple, if what you say is true why do you after reading this:
Normally i wouldn't bother but i don't wanna read pages of useless discussion when the game before the last one Kelsier had ~30 posts D1, managed to find 2 mafia in his 2 mafia reads, shot mafia on N1 and got shot on N1 so he is perfectly capable of trying and also playing well doing so. I don't know where you get what you're smoking since you played that game.

post this:
On March 20 2018 10:44 ExO_ wrote:
On March 20 2018 08:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2018 08:35 KelsierSC wrote:
I think rayn has the best point so far by a long way,

mocsta has posted dumb shit and is definitely failing the fucktard test

Am i missing something because i don't know what my point you are referring to is?
I don't think anything Mocsta has posted makes him anything.



@KelsierSC what point did Rayn have that was the best by a long way?

especially since you say:
On March 20 2018 10:57 ExO_ wrote:
On March 20 2018 08:44 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 20 2018 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now you got me even more confused.



point 1. Your question of holyflares "read" on me is the best thing so far.

point 2. mocsta is making bad "fucktard" posts.



Rayn never made that second point did he? You’re putting words in his mouth and then agreeing with them....what I dont understand is why. I don’t like it — Scum reading Kelsier.

Though I’ll admit I’m not a fan of HF’s posts...I think HF is either VT or scum — not sure which.



And now you said you associated Kelsier's post with the Mocsta thing? The logical conclusion for you to make is to assume his "good point" refers to the Kelsier/Holyflare thing but instead you now say you associated it it with the Mocsta thing which you said you didn't earlier.

uh oh...


I posted as I read the thread. You ask why I made my first post, and then quote the post I made after it (as I read more). Long story short, when I open up your filter I didn’t notice your comment of “not true tho” is refering to the HF thing.

The point I was making was that Keisler looked like he was trying to claim you made a read on mocsta and was agreeing with it, rather than making a read on mocsta on his own.


I am so confused

What is the order of events. You saw I had made a post saying rayn's idea was good (referring to his HF post) and that mocsta was scummy.

However you thought I was trying to say that rayn had made a point about mocsta being scum.

This was despite the conversation rayn and I had in the thread immediately after these posts where I clarified my point.
This was also after you reread rayn's filter which contains posts about hf and his conversation with me.
Furthermore you were after context about HF's read on me which is what rayn was talking about. I don't know how you missed it.

What did you think his "not true tho" comment is referring to?



Can you just break down what was going through your brain because I just want to call you scum here and be done with it.



Long Story short — your initial post made it look like you were trying to claim rayn made a point about Mocsta when he did it. Your followup post made it look like you were back pedalling on this idea. I didn’t read super closely because I was more concerned with calling you out for this than your defense of it.

Now you can believe me or you can think somehow this makes me scum — I think we’ve spent a lot of time and it’s stopped serving a good purpose.


As for my read on you now — I think you’ve seemed awfully concerned with making sure everyone is town reading you moreso than scum hunting, but it’s hard for me to scum read you based on the length of posts and amount you are putting in to understand situations. I don’t think you can be a D1 lynch.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 20 2018 10:13 GMT
#384
I see HF is going with the strategy of calling everyone mafia.

HF: why is noobking mafia?
Computer says mafia
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
March 20 2018 10:13 GMT
#385
*ebwop: when he did it, should be when he didn’t
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 20 2018 10:15 GMT
#386
I have no reservations about lynching people on day 1 who are intentionally not playing like Koshi
Computer says mafia
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 20 2018 10:17 GMT
#387
On March 20 2018 19:12 ExO_ wrote:


Long Story short — your initial post made it look like you were trying to claim rayn made a point about Mocsta when he did it. Your followup post made it look like you were back pedalling on this idea. I didn’t read super closely because I was more concerned with calling you out for this than your defense of it.

Now you can believe me or you can think somehow this makes me scum — I think we’ve spent a lot of time and it’s stopped serving a good purpose.


As for my read on you now — I think you’ve seemed awfully concerned with making sure everyone is town reading you moreso than scum hunting, but it’s hard for me to scum read you based on the length of posts and amount you are putting in to understand situations. I don’t think you can be a D1 lynch.


fantastic
Zerg for Life
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
March 20 2018 10:19 GMT
#388
On March 20 2018 19:15 Palmar wrote:
I have no reservations about lynching people on day 1 who are intentionally not playing like Koshi


I agree with this, except I swear Koshi does shit like this every game I play with him and seems more hostile when he’s town

KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 20 2018 10:19 GMT
#389
I don't get any scum read from ykl.
Zerg for Life
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 20 2018 10:24 GMT
#390
On March 20 2018 19:19 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2018 19:15 Palmar wrote:
I have no reservations about lynching people on day 1 who are intentionally not playing like Koshi


I agree with this, except I swear Koshi does shit like this every game I play with him and seems more hostile when he’s town


The only thing koshi does every game is tunnel me into oblivion because he's not great at the whole bigger picture thing.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 20 2018 10:29 GMT
#391
I kinda like Vivax
Computer says mafia
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 20 2018 10:30 GMT
#392
On March 20 2018 19:12 ExO_ wrote:


As for my read on you now — I think you’ve seemed awfully concerned with making sure everyone is town reading you moreso than scum hunting, but it’s hard for me to scum read you based on the length of posts and amount you are putting in to understand situations. I don’t think you can be a D1 lynch.


As a prenote, i'm not harping on at you this is a brand new point.

Firstly, i'm not concerned with "everyone" town reading me there is no evidence for that until you provide some. If i question someone who has a scumread on me...do you think that is scummy behavior? You had your reason to scum read me completely discredited and you yourself have admitted is just wrong. Are you basing a scum lean on HF's read of me, why is his read good?

You have added this pointless qualifier where you try and give yourself a backdoor into lynching me on some other day. I can't be asked with this pseudo suspicious bullshit. Call me scum or don't say anything.






Zerg for Life
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 20 2018 10:36 GMT
#393
df's roleplaying is some of the worst I've ever seen.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 20 2018 10:48 GMT
#394
I'm going with a rather strict "vote on a case" policy this game, especially if the pace keeps at the rate it is now. If I'm to vote on something I want a literal 1 post explanatory case that gives the reason someone is scum. The only exception is maybe day 1 voting complete shitters and afkers if we don't have a solid case by the end of the day.
Computer says mafia
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 20 2018 10:51 GMT
#395
On March 20 2018 19:36 Palmar wrote:
df's roleplaying is some of the worst I've ever seen.


yeh it's not good. I don't know what it means alignment wise. I feel that if you're town you just have fun as town whereas if you rolled mafia the second time in 3 games and you wanted to make things fun fun yourself/hide you would make a persona. I can't say it makes him town or mafia but if I had to pick I would say it is more scum sided.

In terms of actual bad stuff. He liked a post that exo had made which wasn't that good.

On March 20 2018 08:27 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2018 08:09 ExO_ wrote:
Moosy I’m going to try my best to assess you fairly,
but damn you’re like a hyperactive kid in a Candy store.

But you come into the thread saying you need someone to explain the setup because you can’t be arsed to read it....after you /out earlier because of number of players.

Scum leaning on you for this reason.


Looks like this chap 'ere as a 'ead on his shoulders


I can understand exo's defence of this post but I don't like the post in general.

he also leaves exo off his list of town afterwards

On March 20 2018 12:45 darthfoley wrote:
Chester Campbell believes he dun found some good folk to confide in as he rids the streets of petty 'n big boss crime.

The likes of Vivax, Alakaslam Mocsta and Conversion seem like good blokes, eager to help the coppers

Chester is keeping a wary eye out for any bad hombres


gives the impression that he doesn't really care who his town circle is and just wants to throw some names out.
I'd lynch him and not just to stop the terrible RP.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 20 2018 10:52 GMT
#396
* "fun for yourself/hide"
Zerg for Life
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 20 2018 11:05 GMT
#397
On March 20 2018 19:48 Palmar wrote:
I'm going with a rather strict "vote on a case" policy this game, especially if the pace keeps at the rate it is now. If I'm to vote on something I want a literal 1 post explanatory case that gives the reason someone is scum. The only exception is maybe day 1 voting complete shitters and afkers if we don't have a solid case by the end of the day.


Last game where noobking was mafia he just focused on "scum reading" me in an attempt to shit up the thread and cause confusion instead of calling people town or mafia and giving reasons. His play style as mafia (from a one game meta) was to ONLY point out logical fallacies and never actually scum hunt or see why people would make those mistakes.

Much the same here, noobking is far more concerned with arguing semantics and trivial details and when he has put a vote down on someone it is unexplained and sheeping a bad koshi post potentially (who knows if he doesn't ever explain?).

He was called out on this and instead of giving his view, explaining where he was coming from and trying to determine people's alignments he was content to shit on really minor wording about the word vote.

When I said that someone is scummy for calling me not blue and explaining the thought process he was more concerned defending why that person is town using, again, semantics rather than trying to look at a bigger picture.

Tl;dr

Concerned with logical fallacies and arguing rather than scum hunting. Like his last mafia game.

Trying to prove someone town by arguing semantics rather than scum hunting.

Sheeping koshi's read and not explaining anything other than arguing semantics.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 20 2018 11:07 GMT
#398
I didn't even really read his posts beyond the Chester Campbell stuff. It means nothing alignment-wise. It's just a decision from df to make himself intentionally difficult to read. That doesn't necessarily make him mafia, just makes him a bit of a dick.

Like the posts you just quoted could be posted as either alignment, and his motivation to post may both be that he wants to get something on the record (mafia) or that he just wants to establish his roleplay (no alignment information). Given that he has chosen to go with a roleplay, he may act like scum in the sense that he's posting just to post, because he's trying to show off his persona.

So yeah, I don't know what he is and I don't particularly care. If all the non-posters wake up and partake he's an excellent vigilante shot, but I have no real interest in trying to build a case on someone who's deliberately being difficult to read.
Computer says mafia
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
March 20 2018 11:12 GMT
#399
On March 20 2018 17:39 KelsierSC wrote:

For exo himself, I do have a scum lean I guess I would want to know if his read on me has changed. Some of exo's posts seem plausible like his defence of his moosy read was possibly ok..im rambling on this.



This is the main quote I'm referring to. This post reads to me like you want to know my opinion of you so you can then either scum read me if I still scum read you, or town read me if I town read you.

And I'm not leaving myself a backdoor to come after you later. But I'm not committing to you be a firm town or firm scum at this point. I'm leaning town on you now based on your more recent posts -- however it's hard for me to shake my early impressions of you. I have a really bad history of tunneling based on early reads though and I'm aware of it, so I'm trying to improve my own play.

ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
March 20 2018 11:15 GMT
#400
As a heads up, I do leave for work in about an hour and a half, and my activity will drop off massively after that point until tonight.
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