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raynpelikoneet
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 28 2018 15:09 Mocsta wrote: Yeah, you too. I doubt I will play again any time soon though. Mafia is *such* a timesink. Im amazed that people can separate themselves from the obsesssion of the puzzle - i certainly struggle to do it. I'm only playing again now that I'm unemployed/not studying, so I hear you lol | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On March 28 2018 15:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Thats not why i am stopping; but thanks for the kind words regardless.Don't get me wrong Mocsta, i have always enjoyed playing with you because you're actually playing the game and trying regardless of your affiliation. Its simply that its a timesink. Like 2-8hrs a day reading and thinking stacks up over a week. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On March 28 2018 14:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am just gonna say it out loud, Holyflare is the best mafia player i know and in my mind pretty much noone comes even close. <3 Maybe not anymore. I once was. | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
Setup was wierd i agree but i think it works here. RB works as an offensive only jk, plus there is more chance of it backfiring than working so 5pr in that sense is not really 5pr. Mafia being 4 was compensated by a lot of kp. That being said if i wouldn't use this again. Earlygame was super important in this setup to reduce mafia kp. Town had a disastrous D1, then 4 modkills, essentially losing day and a half. It surprised me only HF and Palmar pointed out in setup vet could be of both alignments, which would also mean rb can be of both alignments. Not much to say on actual gameplay, disfo claim changed a lot and after 4 mk it was all over unless town played a flawless game and with pr's saving every night. GG | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
I don't know that I'd be as superlative, but you're still one of the best even with less time, which is very impressive  And he might be right in the sense that of the best town players you probably have the best scum game heh.I 100% agree on marv, though. Being almost 100% readable as town because either your scum game is bad or you just refuse to play as scum knocks you out of the running imo. It's a lot easier to play as 'confirmed'. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On March 28 2018 10:33 Tictock wrote: I dunno, I was gunna write a post to Slam about how he shouldn't throw his frustration about whatever was going on that prevented him from voting into the game, at Calix, all over the place really. However in some ways this is probably a better outlet then a lot of things. I can't condone shouting at the Hosts for being forced to mod-kill you. Hosting is a thankless job and Calix did a wonderful job with this game (minus some weird balancing). I hope you gave her an apologie. Didn’t know Calix was she But either way I had sent her more of an inside scoop on why I was out of the game at first. I offered to come back in and then did so. I had work go long one day. Came back, started posting as normal. People start telling me I was dead, I was like how did I get mislynched, oh wait no PM lol scum trying to mindgame me. Then I realized the deadline was 3PM anyway so I’d have had to park my vote during lunch. Then I just got fed up after (what I still assume to be correct though I haven’t read anything) I realized I had not initially been modkilled but rather it was under review. Then I was just pissed. Then I went and got drinks. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On March 28 2018 16:05 rsoultin wrote: I dunno if something changed after I left, or my memory fails me.I don't know that I'd be as superlative, but you're still one of the best even with less time, which is very impressive And he might be right in the sense that of the best town players you probably have the best scum game heh.I 100% agree on marv, though. Being almost 100% readable as town because either your scum game is bad or you just refuse to play as scum knocks you out of the running imo. It's a lot easier to play as 'confirmed'. I was of the impression people feared marv scum game?? I thought he had a high winning record as either alignment?? My recollectiion was ppl sheeping because they agreed with his logic vs being confirmed. Then again, my experience with him was say 4 to 5 years ago. meh perhaps his downfall was after I had a flawless victory against him I still remember that themed game like it was yesterday - sort of l0l | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Vivax
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
When let's say HF or even me are perfectly logical in a game that doesn't mean we are believed just because there is the emotional factor in these games as well where you go "but what if...", if you discount that factor (where someone cannot actually make those kind of posts as mafia -- aka is always town there), it is so much more easier to sheep them. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Vivax
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Except when you crunch setups | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On March 28 2018 14:50 Mocsta wrote: This is pointless. Some of us have swallowed the red pill in real life, and others haven't. Every day is about influencing people. As it works in mafia, being in the same team with people doesnt mean you get what or need by default. & if you were seeking an answer to that question, there are plenty of jobs like that. im in the professional sector: major projects and engineering & relatively senior. Sure, at the bitch level, its do what you are told. But like spiderman, with great power comes great responsibility ! P.S. i have never been lynched or mislynched in real life It is some cause for rage, being both genius and firmly stuck at the bitch level because you have powerful family who did not support you. Almost like I should advocate for the USA to be more like Sweden & stuff, free education and whatnot- but I see through that. It’s all just pointless hoops, no one is trained for the job anymore. You are just trained to be servile unwittingly. I mean, sure you are shown some nice deep stuff if you can actually understand it (not many present and passing can) but what’s the point? Unless you’re already from money, the people showing you that deep stuff work for the people who will be your detached slave lords for most of the rest of your life. But if you defy that, the corporations are so full of idiots who think the smart paper makes you smart and if you don’t have the smart paper you’re not worth talking to, that they all wail and cry that there are no good people while they turn so many down Without a chance And those people are so much better than the HR pricks think. Call it Dunning Krueger, but I am actually me. I know exactly why I have been refused. I know exactly why, after people get to know me, they always ask “what school did you go to again?” Because they are shocked to relearn I DIDN’T. Then they check themselves to make sure they didn’t just think the janitor was smart. Being a smart loser? I don’t wish it on anyone. It is not guns that kill people. If it weren’t for the support I get from God alone (I won’t go too far down that road), I wouldn’t be striking back with guns. Far greater destructive power lies in something as simple as fertilizer (be it bombs or the plague, and that’s just fertilizer) That’s how small people deal with this. You don’t need much money to really shake the government up. But big people? Big people realize that there are smarter people than themselves blessed with powerful minds but cursed to live in 평양시 and have no recourse. Big people realize that down the street, there are normal families doing just fine under the system, who aren’t bothered by it and who think lowly of you because you don’t fit in with it. But they still love you. They would hate to see you become something horrible. And they have kids, who are shocked to learn that you are, in fact, not the role model they should aspire to be. That being able to rattle off the stroke ratio source dimensions of a 1966 Ford 289 small block V8 in inches while you scrub away isn’t actually Superman. And they’re so shocked to learn it, that they refuse to do so. And that is both crushing and so uplifting at the same time. + Show Spoiler + it’s a 4 inch bore by a 2.47 inch stroke. You could have googled that. It makes the engine rev faster than a 302 but sacrifices some torque. Can get more in depth but are you actually interested? Even if you are, you could just watch Engineering Explained and watch a guy who frankly looks like me with more grey hair tell you exactly that and more collectedly and with more up-to-date detail. TL;DR: I do not need TL Mafia as an outlet for frustration. But it’s there and I use it that way. Because I am always lynched in real life. Even by my family. But I was born in a blue nation and have no right to complain, as there are scum nations. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On March 28 2018 16:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: people arent black and white and on style fits allIt is easy to agree with someone's logic when they don't show the same logic as mafia (when they know they are wrong and don't do the same assesments they would as town just because they can't). When let's say HF or even me are perfectly logical in a game that doesn't mean we are believed just because there is the emotional factor in these games as well where you go "but what if...", if you discount that factor (where someone cannot actually make those kind of posts as mafia -- aka is always town there), it is so much more easier to sheep them. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 28 2018 16:29 Vivax wrote: I'm of the opinion voice mafia makes for a much better game cause text is an awful way of conveying things and also it's much easier to catch mafia from their attitude rather than content. Also rage is basically nonexistent and it always yields some laughs. It's a lot more fun at least! No one gets weeks worth of invested lol >< | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On March 28 2018 08:25 Tictock wrote: Ok since Moosy brought this up. Tbh almost all you guys get pretty nasty in these games, and funnily enough you all tend to start shitting on each other for giving each other shit, and in turn are shitty to whoever was a bit shitty first. My point is that it is just a massive shit fest. The obv solution is to just start being polite, but that is almost never going to happen. So maybe you should just reconsider your wording when you feel that urge to call someone stupid or berate a person. If you cannot handle what you are about to say to someone were it being said to you, then you probably shouldn't say it. Idk, honestly this talk happens more often than not and this always becomes an issue so it's hard to see that attitude changing here. yeah there was an atmosphere of distrust and yelling at each other in the game that really helped scum imo. esp the distrust stuff. like i know it can be very emotional and stressful esp as town and ive exploded (once literally) from that before. but try to be nice to each other more. very hard to work together when you are calling each other idiots. remind me to fetch some old anti-communism propaganda posters and On March 28 2018 08:32 Koshi wrote: Nonchalant helping thing when it isnt needed is more mafia in my mind. That pinged me. It is just after that you did nothing townie. My previous mindset was to keep blue claims alive d1 and figure them out later. But my d1 is mostly my best day. (Most times townreads and PoE, not mafia reads but they are a byproduct) But again... the townies this game were a bunch of retarded pieces of shit that made it super unpleasant to come back in the thread. Mocsta, df in particular. Why I bothered I dont understand. Never again. Only mafia was nice to me xcept palmad. will try to keep that in mind. will also steal palmad for my collection of things i call palmar. On March 28 2018 10:08 Mocsta wrote: Upon reflection this game makes me sad. Outcome aside, it shows to me that under duress I have barely changed at all in so many years. There are lots of things I could have done better this game; however, the most disappointing aspect of my play, personally, was the weakness of reads; leading to being called scummy. I do get it, and its on me to improve this, not others. I play mafia because I enjoy working with teams to solve a larger problem at hand. When half the game is not online when I am, or not giving me active feedback; my default coping mechanism is to inject more. Something I need to erradicate in both mafia and real-life. I actually thought I had got there, which is why I want to verify through a few games this year. The truth doth hurt  I dont really have feedback for anyone, given how poor my game was. I think my strongest phase was the first 30hrs, which probably aligns with town in general given disformation was a lead wagon. After that vet claim, the entire thread destabilised and never really recovered. it is actually hard to change oneself in a significant way imo. like i feel subconsciousness and reflexes to certain kinds of input are really strong and really hard to unlearn. On March 28 2018 11:18 darthfoley wrote: I think I prefer 13 player games. 20 players just felt like way too much happening all at once tbh. It's a fun change up though yeah. at some points i was like "why am i doing this to myself". maybe maso after all. =D On March 28 2018 13:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Uh.. disformation. Aside from not jailing rsoultin why were we even jailing and watching the same guy? Palmar asked me to change his action to that and I was too busy fucking up the other stuff, so i dindt think much about it. but thanks for pointing out the many mistakes i made that night. mistakes are a good teacher and i dont think ill forget that night for a long time. also thanks for the carry you played really well imo. On March 28 2018 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tina i didn't really got you were blue and i don't know why Palmar and / or disfo decided to watch you N1 but it was a really good call. Only thing i said about night actions was "if i am getting tracked or something i will blame you guys" when they were about to make me deliver a kill. nah we had palmar watching you n1 and saw her visit you. since she was tring your fairly hard and that post you quoted d3, we were pretty sure she is doc or jk. still somewhat pissed about that. like the possibility of town lying about a read does not exist in my head. another thing to learn from this game i guess. On March 28 2018 15:09 Mocsta wrote: Yeah, you too. I doubt I will play again any time soon though. Mafia is *such* a timesink. Im amazed that people can separate themselves from the obsesssion of the puzzle - i certainly struggle to do it. yeah i always tank my sleep schedule and productivity at work when playing mafia. On March 28 2018 16:37 Holyflare wrote: Sad I had a good disfo case. What's with all these "normals" and crazy roles? :p a lot of ppl had a lot of good points on me. surprised i just didnt get lunched regardless of claim. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 28 2018 18:03 disformation wrote: nah we had palmar watching you n1 and saw her visit you. since she was tring your fairly hard and that post you quoted d3, we were pretty sure she is doc or jk. I am pretty sure she was doc or jk wayyy early on D2. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On March 28 2018 18:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure she was doc or jk wayyy early on D2. mh? in qt /m131 by palmar To be fair, and I'm risking being too optimistic here... rsoultin is probably a doc or a jk. She doesn't talk much about rayn, but I think she townread him throughout the game. like right after night actions resolved /m145 by palmar rsoultin confirmed not cop or tracker or role cop. She would have taken a much more firm stance one way or the other if she knows anything about rayn: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26967442 So, it looks like we found a doc or a jk or perhaps a watcher (in which case she'll know I visited rayn). In any case, we need to kill her, she's a blue. /m148 and /m147 by you: I think #1891 is a doc/JK crumb. Also yeah rsoultin is never an investigative role. There is no way she has any sort of result in me and does not talk about me more.Edited 03-23-2018 05:18 AM so maybe you knew a bit earlier, but didnt post right away in qt, but i'd say it is a tie between you and palmar | ||
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