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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 28 2018 04:31 GMT
#3761
ill submit:

rayn kill: rsoultin
rayn jail: mocsta
palmar kill: tictock
palmar watch: mocsta

and watch the thread. think mocsta just posted some stuff on you... maybe tina changes her opinion again

Uh.. disformation. Aside from not jailing rsoultin why were we even jailing and watching the same guy?
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 28 2018 04:55 GMT
#3762
yeah thats pretty funny
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 28 2018 04:57 GMT
#3763
Vivax
03-25-2018
04:04 PM ET (US)
N00bking reminds me a bit of gumshoe

lol never,.,,
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22338 Posts
March 28 2018 05:06 GMT
#3764
On March 28 2018 13:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Vivax
03-25-2018
04:04 PM ET (US)
N00bking reminds me a bit of gumshoe

lol never,.,,


Yea idk how I got to thinking that after rereading a bunch of posts from gs. But I like the way NK posts.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 28 2018 05:08 GMT
#3765
oh god duh

that's why. you guys wanted me dead. lol >< didn't count that jking me would have ended the game but i totes get that it's like...if we block her we can't kill her

yeeeeaaahh i'm going to pretend my play through d2 wasn't shite, and that i wasn't scumreading koshi and moosy when i died and be like

\o/ played well! -snorts-

i honestly just started trying hard to play the game n2 cause i knew if i got rb'd and palmar was almost definitely mafia so i should get rb'd the game was over. but maybe i could make them rethink the blueread by being 'we have to shoot her rsoul', or at least game them by townreading palmar so that i could then jk him and stop a shot lol >< kinda expected the game to end n2 tbf though

@mocsta, good read man. if i have as many doubts on rayn as i did this game again i'm going to know not to dismiss it as paranoid in future lol ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 28 2018 05:10 GMT
#3766
plus there was no way i was trying for a save. too many medic dodge targets. and if rayn was town mafia should 100% be shooting me and rayn because i /told/ palmar who my jk target was @.@

dumb trusting rsoul lol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 28 2018 05:12 GMT
#3767
NK was actually pretty towny d2 tbf, once he stopped arguing how amazing he was lol >< palmar was nooooot at aaaaallll in his reaction to NK. that's when i went fuck mafia knows i'm jk lol ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 28 2018 05:14 GMT
#3768
Mocsta, i really felt like this game you called everyone who disagreed with you either bad or scum and refused to contribute with them until i said that on the last day (and still you didn't listen to me :p). The fact is i always had the right reasons to scumread disformation and while obviously i didn't push it to the extent (i probably wouldn't even as town since i am terrible at reading him) he never really did anything with his reads or well.. witl anything he said. If i was town i would have probably gone demotivated "fuck you" mode especially after rsoutlin died.It was not only me, it was also with other players who were actually town.

I have honestly no idea where TT got his read on me because everything he said was wrong. My moosy read for example was really easy to find, here;
On March 20 2018 17:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because ha cannot work with incomplete information which results in this.

At this point Moosy had posted all the first page of the game and then basically just trolled. Which is in line of his town play since he has no clue what to do, especially early on, when working with incomplete information. Obviously i didn't care if you think i am mafia with him at that point. The other points you also made were very wrong, like sheeping Koshi and Vivax, when i specifically had never sheeped Koshi and my whole "read" on Vivax was even after he died "super paranoid -> wrong -> can't convince anyone", i never even entertained any of the reads Vivax had so i have no idea where you got that stuff.

It was funny df scumread me for being boring and not doing what he thinks is boring at the same time...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 28 2018 05:16 GMT
#3769
On March 28 2018 14:08 rsoultin wrote:
if i have as many doubts on rayn as i did this game again i'm going to know not to dismiss it as paranoid in future lol ><

I will tell you a secret, after, or well starting from 1-day mafia i have been playing mostly against you when i am mafia aka breaking my meta because i am not sure what i can get away with and not with you the most.

I am so rude.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 28 2018 05:18 GMT
#3770
Well not really breaking my meta but trying to break it and it seems to be working.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 28 2018 05:22 GMT
#3771
On March 27 2018 07:41 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2018 07:16 darthfoley wrote:
If koshi is mafia, the game continues and My suspicion was correct

If koshi is town, the game is over. Win win
mafia is a team game for both alignments.

have correct suspicion, doesn't meet the game definition of winning.

wasnt this already debated prior when damdred got lynched d1 with correct reads.
you still need to convince people to lynch them - otherwise pointless.

Thats why I will always have respect for marvellosity.
There was this game he created a fake account years ago as fivetouch.
as a complete nobody he got the entire town onside and lynched mafia day1.

Very real crisis leadership.

i dont think any of the players in this game could do that; many are relying on reputations due to "correct suspicions".

The closest may actualy be Koshi, but for different reasons to fivetouch.
Koshi as town *CAN* be very involving from what I have seen in 2018.
Again, this is why he is scum this game.

ciao.

Also Mocsta, this post is very wrong. If i am completely honest here, while marvellosity is/was one of the best town players the only reason he is so good is because he cannot play as mafia. I have almost zero respect for people who can only play as one alignment, or well.. are only good as town because people naturally believe them as they are basically confirmed town, and for example Holyflare is on a completely different level because he can actually play as mafia and for that reason has to ACTUALLY work on convincing people as town when not confirmed.

And still manages to lead.
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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 28 2018 05:23 GMT
#3772
On March 28 2018 14:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2018 14:08 rsoultin wrote:
if i have as many doubts on rayn as i did this game again i'm going to know not to dismiss it as paranoid in future lol ><

I will tell you a secret, after, or well starting from 1-day mafia i have been playing mostly against you when i am mafia aka breaking my meta because i am not sure what i can get away with and not with you the most.

I am so rude.


fucking hell ><

and here i was...god he has played to how i read him before...but it's a 20 player game i don't think he bothers with just me here...

you ass lol ><

also, apparently if i hadn't been a dumbass and thought I'd outed myself to palmar i wouldn't have know that y'all knew, and wouldn't have tried to game you -snickers- that's kinda...hilarious

i would never have known i had to play fake out the scum if i hadn't been an idiot in the first place \o/
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 28 2018 05:24 GMT
#3773
I am just gonna say it out loud, Holyflare is the best mafia player i know and in my mind pretty much noone comes even close.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 28 2018 05:27 GMT
#3774
Tina i didn't really got you were blue and i don't know why Palmar and / or disfo decided to watch you N1 but it was a really good call. Only thing i said about night actions was "if i am getting tracked or something i will blame you guys" when they were about to make me deliver a kill.
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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 28 2018 05:28 GMT
#3775
also ftr if i'd blocked the kp on me rather than tt, i would have retracted the koshi 100% scumread and just gone ham on palmar >> mostly cause not shiny could equal blue and rb is such a dumb claim

buuuut

shoulda woulda coulda that's easy to claim. the ham on palmar bit definitely woulda happened though i'm clearly shite at crumbs. koshi got it i think <3 everyone else didn't?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 28 2018 05:29 GMT
#3776
On March 28 2018 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tina i didn't really got you were blue and i don't know why Palmar and / or disfo decided to watch you N1 but it was a really good call. Only thing i said about night actions was "if i am getting tracked or something i will blame you guys" when they were about to make me deliver a kill.


eh i was playing shite and mafia knew i was town. not shocked honestly
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 28 2018 05:29 GMT
#3777
Crumb on Palmar? Idk at least i didn't really care at that point tbh.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 28 2018 05:31 GMT
#3778
On March 28 2018 14:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, i really felt like this game you called everyone who disagreed with you either bad or scum and refused to contribute with them until i said that on the last day (and still you didn't listen to me :p).
I hope as a fact thats not true; so its a shame you felt that way.

I think day3 is a different story as its LYLO, and so many qusetion marks in general.

Im always willing to listen to what people say; but, my interpretation of what they are saying is heavily influenced by what I perceive their intention.

This is a messy way of saying I don't treat all facts the same way!
Its very hard to emulate this, and its certainly something I don't do as scum because it does put so much heat on you.

Like you + palmar ebbed in/out of being scummy to me all game; so kudos for changing post strat to suit.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 28 2018 05:36 GMT
#3779
On March 28 2018 14:31 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2018 14:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, i really felt like this game you called everyone who disagreed with you either bad or scum and refused to contribute with them until i said that on the last day (and still you didn't listen to me :p).
I hope as a fact thats not true; so its a shame you felt that way.

I think day3 is a different story as its LYLO, and so many qusetion marks in general.

Im always willing to listen to what people say; but, my interpretation of what they are saying is heavily influenced by what I perceive their intention.

This is a messy way of saying I don't treat all facts the same way!
Its very hard to emulate this, and its certainly something I don't do as scum because it does put so much heat on you.

Like you + palmar ebbed in/out of being scummy to me all game; so kudos for changing post strat to suit.


-flops on- I really, really like the n2 town circle we had going though. You, tt, and df helped me tons by being such easy townreads. And leading me to disfo. You guys had every right to want to quit but hung in there. I'm the only one who knew we had a chance but couldn't really say it lol ><

Sorry for steering people wrong on the raynman >>
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 28 2018 05:36 GMT
#3780
On March 28 2018 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2018 07:41 Mocsta wrote:
On March 27 2018 07:16 darthfoley wrote:
If koshi is mafia, the game continues and My suspicion was correct

If koshi is town, the game is over. Win win
mafia is a team game for both alignments.

have correct suspicion, doesn't meet the game definition of winning.

wasnt this already debated prior when damdred got lynched d1 with correct reads.
you still need to convince people to lynch them - otherwise pointless.

Thats why I will always have respect for marvellosity.
There was this game he created a fake account years ago as fivetouch.
as a complete nobody he got the entire town onside and lynched mafia day1.

Very real crisis leadership.

i dont think any of the players in this game could do that; many are relying on reputations due to "correct suspicions".

The closest may actualy be Koshi, but for different reasons to fivetouch.
Koshi as town *CAN* be very involving from what I have seen in 2018.
Again, this is why he is scum this game.

ciao.

Also Mocsta, this post is very wrong. If i am completely honest here, while marvellosity is/was one of the best town players the only reason he is so good is because he cannot play as mafia. I have almost zero respect for people who can only play as one alignment, or well.. are only good as town because people naturally believe them as they are basically confirmed town, and for example Holyflare is on a completely different level because he can actually play as mafia and for that reason has to ACTUALLY work on convincing people as town when not confirmed.

And still manages to lead.
Its a subjective & I dont think we are talking about the same scenario whatsoever.
People might be predisposed to be cautious of HF; but there is still brand reputation which is what i was commenting about.

Leading a large game town without brand reputation is a different skill set then being generally proficient at mafia - one that is more applicable to working with people in real life.

HF is no doubt a great mafia player; both effective and influential. However, if his real job was to influence people; the tactics in mafia I dont believe are effective. At least not in my professional experience.

At least the aspect of peoples motives is similar between reality and mafia
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