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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 11 2018 20:24 GMT
#1443
Pray tell why my strategy is bad noobking? What's wrong with confirming a medic or forcing mafia to narrow down their pool?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 11 2018 20:26 GMT
#1445
You can even do this so you can stop being shit.

Vivax heals Holyflare.
Noobking heals slam.
Df heals moosy.
Ff heals koshi.

That way if mafia want to eliminate a vt by stacking they eliminate one of your question marks and save your town reads. Are you saying that's bad for tonight? Are you saying you'd rather chance a shot on a random guy instead of forcing mafia to play their hand?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 11 2018 20:26 GMT
#1446
On March 12 2018 05:26 Holyflare wrote:
You can even do this so you can stop being shit.

Vivax heals Holyflare.
Noobking heals slam.
Df heals moosy.
Ff heals koshi.

That way if mafia want to eliminate a vt by stacking they eliminate one of your question marks and save your town reads. Are you saying that's bad for tonight? Are you saying you'd rather chance a shot on a random guy instead of forcing mafia to play their hand?


This is quite literally the most information giving night action list.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 11 2018 20:28 GMT
#1448
None of you are coordinated on anything right now. None of you trying to convince the other to follow the plan. Ff and vivax don't look like they want to kill me and df and noobking kind of do. You're already defeating the point of the rhetoric you laud over the thread repeatedly because you can't unanimously decide and haven't talked to each other to even bother to decide. It's a shit show.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 11 2018 20:28 GMT
#1449
On March 12 2018 05:27 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2018 05:26 Holyflare wrote:
On March 12 2018 05:26 Holyflare wrote:
You can even do this so you can stop being shit.

Vivax heals Holyflare.
Noobking heals slam.
Df heals moosy.
Ff heals koshi.

That way if mafia want to eliminate a vt by stacking they eliminate one of your question marks and save your town reads. Are you saying that's bad for tonight? Are you saying you'd rather chance a shot on a random guy instead of forcing mafia to play their hand?


This is quite literally the most information giving night action list.


I think we'd both be dead if we followed that.


Perfect.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 11 2018 20:33 GMT
#1455
On March 12 2018 05:30 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2018 05:23 Holyflare wrote:
The original plan by koshi literally states "and if it's all wrong you end up at a 50/50" so why is it different?

Because his plan doesn't rely on mafia cooperation like yours does. lol In your plan, what keeps the mafia from simply killing someone they didn't think they could get mislynched anyway, and not using the mafia medic? you've forfeited the vig shot, when following the original plan gave us 4 chances to find the VT scum. How is the original plan not better than yours?


Are you seriously suggesting this is a BAD thing for mafia to not use their extra kill???
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 11 2018 20:35 GMT
#1457
A full vt game is the most perfect game you can get you pleb. Who gives a shit if they kill rsoul and nobody else? That's just gravy.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 11 2018 20:35 GMT
#1458
If they do not narrow down a lynch pool in the people you think are mafia that's even more information!!!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 11 2018 20:38 GMT
#1461
Every medic heal a different person please. Noobking is incapable of doing anything with respect to following his own plan he keeps needlessly touting. Has he coordinated anything? Nope. Not at all. Nobody is convinced on me, nobody wants to lynch moosy. His plan right now is to get df to heal me so he can get a free kill on me and hope ff/vivax heal someone different and he nks someone else.

Let me just reiterate IN THE CURRENT PATH YOU ARE TAKING YOU COULD END UP KILLING THREE SEPARATE PEOPLE AND 2 OF THOSE WILL WITHOUT A DOUBT BE TOWN.

EITHER COME TO A CONSENSUS OR HEAL SEPARATE TARGETS.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 11 2018 20:38 GMT
#1462
On March 12 2018 05:38 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2018 05:26 Holyflare wrote:
On March 12 2018 05:26 Holyflare wrote:
You can even do this so you can stop being shit.

Vivax heals Holyflare.
Noobking heals slam.
Df heals moosy.
Ff heals koshi.

That way if mafia want to eliminate a vt by stacking they eliminate one of your question marks and save your town reads. Are you saying that's bad for tonight? Are you saying you'd rather chance a shot on a random guy instead of forcing mafia to play their hand?


This is quite literally the most information giving night action list.


But you're effectively giving mafia two kills without any chance of killing a mafia. Why would we do that?



Information.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 11 2018 20:41 GMT
#1466
On March 12 2018 05:39 darthfoley wrote:
Like idgaf about "information." I want to find and kill mafia. And allowing the mafia to have a NK on one of the medics, plus choosing a VT of their choosing is not giving us any chance of killing a mafia


You haven't given any reads, your current plan is to shoot me. I am vt and have maintained I am vt from the start of the day. If you have any qualms about me being mafia then ask me questions because I will flip town. If you want to follow koshi's plan then I don't give a shit but so far all of noobking suggestions are town me and moosy who I think is also town so it's a bad plan.

If you want to come to a consensus kill do it on a shitter that is giving us no info like slam. Slam is the ideal get out of jail consensus kill because he could be mafia and he doesn't really do anything and he's not particularly my town reads.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 11 2018 20:42 GMT
#1467
On March 12 2018 05:40 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2018 05:35 Holyflare wrote:
A full vt game is the most perfect game you can get you pleb. Who gives a shit if they kill rsoul and nobody else? That's just gravy.

And what is "most perfect" supposed to mean?


The game I want to play and should have been hosted instead of this travesty.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 11 2018 20:43 GMT
#1472
Noobking stop shitting up the thread arguing with me about semantics. If you want to follow your plan fucking do it and convince your three medic buddies to heal a unanimous target. Do you not care that three people can die tonight?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 11 2018 20:44 GMT
#1474
On March 12 2018 05:42 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2018 05:38 Holyflare wrote:
Every medic heal a different person please. Noobking is incapable of doing anything with respect to following his own plan he keeps needlessly touting. Has he coordinated anything? Nope. Not at all. Nobody is convinced on me, nobody wants to lynch moosy. His plan right now is to get df to heal me so he can get a free kill on me and hope ff/vivax heal someone different and he nks someone else.

Let me just reiterate IN THE CURRENT PATH YOU ARE TAKING YOU COULD END UP KILLING THREE SEPARATE PEOPLE AND 2 OF THOSE WILL WITHOUT A DOUBT BE TOWN.

EITHER COME TO A CONSENSUS OR HEAL SEPARATE TARGETS.


Dw mate, you think Koshi is mafia, and FF/Vivax are town medics who are gonna kill scum!Koshi. Doesn't matter when Noobking does or does not do!

Y so serious?


I don't think koshi is guaranteed mafia. In fact I think his last post was kind of sincere but he's not me and that's the best we can achieve for winning the game.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 11 2018 20:46 GMT
#1478
I want to nk koshi because he invented scenarios about df and myself while saying he hadn't read but then tried to throw mafia intentions my way saying "hf could have been getting people onto df at night" when I was literally the first person to coordinate medics onto prplhz.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 11 2018 20:49 GMT
#1482
On March 12 2018 05:46 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2018 05:38 Holyflare wrote:
Every medic heal a different person please. Noobking is incapable of doing anything with respect to following his own plan he keeps needlessly touting. Has he coordinated anything? Nope. Not at all. Nobody is convinced on me, nobody wants to lynch moosy. His plan right now is to get df to heal me so he can get a free kill on me and hope ff/vivax heal someone different and he nks someone else.

Let me just reiterate IN THE CURRENT PATH YOU ARE TAKING YOU COULD END UP KILLING THREE SEPARATE PEOPLE AND 2 OF THOSE WILL WITHOUT A DOUBT BE TOWN.

EITHER COME TO A CONSENSUS OR HEAL SEPARATE TARGETS.

EVERYTHING I'm doing is to try and generate that consensus, including shouting down each of your asinine "let's help the mafia, guys!" suggestions. Didn't I just ask Vivax about how anything you're doing could be perceived as helpful? That's so I can try to get him to join me in killing you. I'm coordinating with Fecalfeast all I can at the moment, he's NOT HERE. DF asked who I wanted to die, I told him. What more could I be doing to coordinate the medics?

You talk about how the current path could result in 3 deaths, 2 sure to be town. I'm not advocating the current path though, am I? I've already agreed that splitting the kills is bad. And YOUR first suggestion for how to handle the night phase would likely also have ended in 3 deaths, ALL of them town. NO ONE has had an idea worse than yours.


You are not night killing me. I am not mafia. Your consensus is failing and nobody agrees with your case. Your case is piggy backed off of rsoul's case that she doesn't even believe anymore. She has given you meta from ONE GAME AGO and so has Koshi that disproves your entire case. Rsoul said I push anti town stuff as town non-stop. Koshi said he's angry and I'm being shit and pushing anti town stuff and that's my town meta but you're absolutely adamant about incorrect facts that it's just bad.

You can't kill me right now. You're not convincing. You have no pull. Pick another target that everyone is happy with and reach a consensus. Don't be blind and yell at a brick wall. Your day 1 on tubesock you abandoned because nobody was following you and it was dead but now here you are again.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 11 2018 20:50 GMT
#1483
On March 12 2018 05:49 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2018 05:42 Holyflare wrote:
On March 12 2018 05:40 n00bKing wrote:
On March 12 2018 05:35 Holyflare wrote:
A full vt game is the most perfect game you can get you pleb. Who gives a shit if they kill rsoul and nobody else? That's just gravy.

And what is "most perfect" supposed to mean?

The game I want to play and should have been hosted instead of this travesty.

Long as you admit it doesn't mean "most town-favored." Lots of setups are more town-favored than a full vanilla game. Like THIS one. ESPECIALLY if we follow the plan from the mass claim. So stop trying to turn THIS game into a full vanilla game, instead of one that favors the town. I'm NOT stupid.


Semantics
Semantics
Semantics

Come to a unanimous decision.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 11 2018 20:55 GMT
#1492
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/490503-newbie-student-mafia-xiii?user=n00bKing&view=all

for reference
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 11 2018 20:59 GMT
#1496
On March 12 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2018 05:50 Holyflare wrote:
On March 12 2018 05:49 n00bKing wrote:
On March 12 2018 05:42 Holyflare wrote:
On March 12 2018 05:40 n00bKing wrote:
On March 12 2018 05:35 Holyflare wrote:
A full vt game is the most perfect game you can get you pleb. Who gives a shit if they kill rsoul and nobody else? That's just gravy.

And what is "most perfect" supposed to mean?

The game I want to play and should have been hosted instead of this travesty.

Long as you admit it doesn't mean "most town-favored." Lots of setups are more town-favored than a full vanilla game. Like THIS one. ESPECIALLY if we follow the plan from the mass claim. So stop trying to turn THIS game into a full vanilla game, instead of one that favors the town. I'm NOT stupid.


Semantics
Semantics
Semantics

Come to a unanimous decision.

Pointing out the FACT that you are actively trying to reduce the town's win % is NOT semantics.


You have a chip on your shoulder and you're arguing with your mafia read. If I am mafia it is my exact goal to find the most favorable setup for mafia to win. I think not getting people killed and maximising that ability should be my ultimate goal. None of this factors into anything you say. You literally just spent three pages quoting my posts and contradicting what they say just to say "oh that's not the MOST town favoured it's what favours you the most!" Not once did you call me mafia for pushing this mafia strategy or anything. It is in fact semantics you are arguing. The minutiae about a plan and correcting it instead of using it as ammo to further your case is what makes me think you're very much mafia.

At the end of the day I say we should nk slam and df agrees and you just go "Fine, let's nk slam. It's not optimal but I'll do it." THIS IS A KILL THAT I JUST PROPOSED AND YOU ARE FINE JUMPING ON IT.

I don't believe this is a town noobking that doesn't think these things through fully. I think this is a mafia noobking feeling dejected and trying to just argue for the sake of arguing and then hopping on what he can.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 11 2018 21:05 GMT
#1501
Wait why moosy?
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