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On February 09 2018 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2018 06:22 Damdred wrote:
@Rayn, Ok here is how it is in my mind.
Mocsta had reasoning to swap off of Mderg and hop back onto Tina. He spent a lot of hia filter preasuring her, moving against her. If mderg and mocsta were zcum together it would be easy at that point in ths thread to move and strengthen the rsoultin lynch if she is towm and he is scum. It makes no sense for him to lynch mderg espe ialy given how he played last game.
If both are mafia, it doesnt clear him at all though. And ill readily admit that, eapecially if rsoultin is a better role in that regard. (i mean his vote)
Besides that I think mocsta reevaluating on me when it was much easier to go with thread sentiment during the night was townie and different from theblast scum game he played. In the same vein when night started he was super antagonksti. towards me and set i was scum, but softened and tried to find things.
I think his vote looks good to me, the way he approa hes the game is different. tonally he is also didderent as he seems much more confrontational in review. I think i can be biased but i honestly believe Mocsta -- based on what he wrote on rsoultin earlier in the game should have been voting for her instead of mderg. I agree i can be wrong, but that's the feeling i got fro mhis posts. Like the last game i followed D1 loosely and i was 100% certain Mocsta had voted for DF day i and during the start of D2 i cleared him in my mind in obs qt just to look at the votecount and i was like "wtf, why wasn't this guys vote on df?". I kind of see the same thing here. Another thing is that he made a slip or a "slip" that he has done before. He later on tried to pain it as a joke. What is the point of joking like that? I don't think he is telling the truth about him joking, i think he genuinely slipped like he has done before and made up a reason for it. Show nested quote +As for df I dont know exactly what the plan was. tina nor mderg really never seemed to have a lot of thread pull necessarily and it seemed no ome really got up to a momentum to go against them in the vote department.
I thought i did explaim about df, he fought woth hf and i thought the fight disnt feel like t v t. hf came out looking better. df has been misconstruing different things to make people look bad, me and my vote for reasons that arent teue, hf in the fight.
One of the things ive tried to read df as, as s um is hes a bit more hostile as scum than town I think. So it sort of fits here to.
And I just think you are town. You are pushing on little things that you think are inconsistant like the rs sk thing. and this conversation we are having now instead of teying to bury me.
I mean I could just be reading the game like im an idiot i guess? But I kinda think im just right. I think df cannot be mafia if rsoultin is. I think there is your problem rn. If df and rsoultin are the final 2 mafia then mafia D1 play was "let's all call each other scum not not even really try to do anything" and that is just fucking reatrded. I am not quite sure why you think this is possible. I understand your reasoning, i might even agree with it but never with rsoultin being scum with him. Like the reason i read df scum D1 was because he used very weird wording. He thought i am mafia because, as he said "He followed closely in the obs last game and I believe the points he made in this game about me were wrong". Now if you are town, what is this.... Would you BELIEVE i made wrong points? No, you know if i did or not. Even worse, if you think i am mafia FOR IT, i am obviously bullshitting, so there is nothing to BELIEVE, i am bullshitting, you point out where, and that's it. Case closed. But instead he "believe i might have made wrong points". What is this even?  I wont lie, thsi comment about 'believe" made me think. have you got something, because at first read it is certainly valid.
However, then I thought about how you commented on my rsoultin case by saying, all the points were right, but not indicative of mafia.
I think that logic can be applied accordingly to state "believe"..
I think you are arguing over semantics; I just am not sure if its intentional or not.
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On February 09 2018 06:59 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2018 06:55 Koshi wrote:On February 09 2018 05:42 ritoky wrote:
but guys, what happened to the SK? I got docsaved. good call dood.
lol
Saves are not notified.
Medic can't heal himself. Also can't heal same skipper consecutive nights.
I laid bomb on <b>Rayn</b>
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On February 09 2018 07:05 disformation wrote:
like to me eod / rs and mderg not voting to save themselves is super confusing so i think lynching whoever is the scummiest while ignoring that eod might be a good idea?
just not too sure who that would be rn xD Why.. EoD 1 in the last game, town Damdred (wagon leader) refused to vote his town reads, and basically threw his vote away IIRC (or perhaps put it on DF, who wasnt a town read regardless).
If town!rsoultin legitimately thought mderg was town at the time, I can make sense of those actions.
The main issue I had was the rsoultin progression, because prior she was considering mderg scum.
This is why I asked her about it; but I think its completely legit that in the heat of the DF/HF bragging argument, she tilted leading to the actions that took place.
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On February 09 2018 07:07 ritoky wrote:
like if df is mafia it is because he didn't have a good reason to read rels town, but then i made one up for him and put it in his mouth and he agreed to it. but if he was legit angle shooting, he is le town.
i have faith in humanity, so town. i still dont understand this angle shooting concept that you have mentioned a couple times.
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On February 09 2018 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2018 07:33 Mocsta wrote:
Damdred something something here
This is a thread summary of arguments everyone else has put up.
You know Mocsta, this post pisses me off quite a bit. It really does. Because your case on rsoultin at the start of D1 was taken off exactly from what i said. I understand you possibly don't realize it but you summarised nothing but my points on her in more words and without knowing the meta. I don't like you calling someone else's post thread summary when half of your D1 was nothing but a fucking thread summary from me and then you voted for mderg for no apparent reason other than "i like Koshi". So don't do that, regardless of your affiliation, which is btw scum. You are 1 vote of 11. you know the rest of the story.
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On February 09 2018 08:02 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2018 07:59 darthfoley wrote:
What I don't understand is why scum!Damdred votes rsoultin at 5v3. I think it would make a lot more sense in that scenario to just hammer mderg and try to gain town cred from it.
If Damdred is scum, his vote + Mderg's lack of vote on rsoultin is probably the least optimal play ever. I just don't get it yeah i dont really get damdreds eod at all. he says he was kinda looking for a 3rd wagon, but i am not seeing evidence for that in his filter. so not quite sure what he was doing as either alignment I think the last couple votes came within 2-3min of deadline.
So as scum, you can prepping for a whole bunch of possibilities. Its just possible he was caught flat-footed - in particular if he is as sick as he says he is.
His filter I believe expressed he considered mderg scum, so there is legit flow to extend a vote that way if required.
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On February 09 2018 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2018 08:07 Mocsta wrote:
If town!rsoultin legitimately thought mderg was town at the time, I can make sense of those actions.
The main issue I had was the rsoultin progression, because prior she was considering mderg scum.
This is why I asked her about it; but I think its completely legit that in the heat of the DF/HF bragging argument, she tilted leading to the actions that took place.
this smells like bullshit. Rayn, at least have the courtesy to show full context instead of trimming my post
"Why.. EoD 1 in the last game, town Damdred (wagon leader) refused to vote his town reads, and basically threw his vote away IIRC (or perhaps put it on DF, who wasnt a town read regardless)."
Its clear that your agenda this cycle is to shit the thread with me.
A - You are only doing a disservice to yourself.
B - I won't break.
Your welcome.
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On February 09 2018 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can you answer my post where i told you damdred's reads are not what you said they are?
whats there to say?
its a regurgitation of other peoples comments with no insight.
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On February 09 2018 06:58 disformation wrote:
hmm... im trying to read hf vs damdy.
i kinda want to do a rephrase just to see if my tired brain understands:
hf is saying that he trs the "pure" wagon without good reason. plus him thinking that rsoultin is scum too creates a problem, because then damdy giving trs on hf and mocsta (on mderg) makes no sense? right?
damdy now says he has proper reason to tr these ppl not only that they were on the wagon? and reasons to scumread the ppl he is scumreading?
did i read that right?
agreeing with rayn... a df/rs/mderg scumteam is just super confusing to me... like wtf were they doing in that case
Yes, that is correct.
Essentially: the "pure" wagon all town argument is not valid in Damdred world, is because he asserts both mderg & rsoultin are scum.
If anything he should be more concerned about why they swapped between the 2; as mderg was not a lynch threat.
This is in particular evident given I was a Damdred scum read all game; and jumped ship ~10hrs before deadline and also AFK.
Instead, I am pure town and a big hole in story presents itself.
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On February 09 2018 08:26 Damdred wrote:
Vote was not wasted in nsm, if rels hadnt of been stupid we could of lynched df that day. No, same situation as this game.
Need in excess of 1 vote.
On February 09 2018 08:27 Damdred wrote:
I sort of want mocsta to find where i regurigitated all my reads from.
The Disfo comments were a spit out from me without any filter diving
Either way, im your 'pure" wagon town read, so why does it matter. This is my opinion as TOWN.
On February 09 2018 08:31 Damdred wrote:
and i think he disxounta where i go more in depth later on, like i get hf/koshi hating me for how i view the game.
but i dont feel like i copied anyones reads perhaps you have come to the same conclusions as others on your own; but i still not identify any new insights.
What do you agree about Rayn thought process?
If its not clear to you, his top reads are rsoultin and mocsta.
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Rayn
LOUD != LEADERSHIP
You are embarrassing yourself.
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On February 09 2018 08:37 Damdred wrote:
Yes or no mocsta, have you read the entirity of the thread? Yes sir. What would you like to discuss?
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On February 09 2018 08:40 Damdred wrote:
I gave my first disformation townread before you reentered the thread yesterday after lynch btw.
And honestly i dont even know what to think about you right now truthfully. Fair enough. Probably true.
I bet you dont. You are probably thinking if I am lynchable.
Humour me:
Why should I be ashamed of myself? - as per your first post in the game.
I treat that as indicative of a town read on rsoultin (i.e. TvS in tina favour); and towards EoD1 you advocate that Tina is acting increasingly townish.
Following mderg: you issue a town read on me for a combination of:
A - "Pure" wagon voter
B1 - Different meta to previous scum game. I think "more confrontational" was your word choice.
B2 - During Night 1 I was willing to relax my scum read on you (which is a subset of B1 really)
So right now, I am exerting even more of item C, and you dont know how to perceive me; should I not become an even stronger town read now?
Why am I missing?
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On February 09 2018 08:50 rsoultin wrote:
Also, gg truffle Yes, GG !
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On February 09 2018 08:55 rsoultin wrote:
Lol I know that rain said he wouldn't talk about me today but I don't really get why has actually falling that? Is this slip theory really that compelling? What do you think?
+ Show Spoiler [my theory] +Is that Rayn is treating D2 like I did in the last game on D2 with HF (i.e. I wanted to intentionally shit the thread).
I dont understand how anyone could find that contextually the most relevant post of 70+ pages to justify a lynch on.
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to clarify, what is awful
the <slip> or finding it the most relevant post?
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On February 09 2018 09:05 rsoultin wrote:
I would also like to know why you think Ian is summarizing the thread mocsta. I agree with Joni that they're at least different than the conclusions most people are making.
OK, I shall dive for you.
Overall a summary post. New insight are superficial comments with no basis behind it.
This is a more "wall-of-text" version of mderg summary post that says a lot about nothing.
As a reminder:
On February 07 2018 22:14 mderg wrote:
A good old summary post you all know and love.
Damdred: Nothing
ritoky: doesn't give a fuck, tone says town. Read on me kind of makes sense except I haven't been active or present enough to do anything. I've been really disconnected from the game, though
Mocsta: Feels different from last game, almost his whole game revolved around roultin at the start. Started being a bit more jumpy now. Not sure how that makes me feel.
darthfoley: Not liking his early scumread on Mocsta, for what I consider dumb reasons. Some omgus on Trfel, Rayn and Mocsta. Sounds very annoyed at some points. Could maybe see scum.
Rels: Nothing
Conversion: Didn't like him questioning me about this "bullshit" thing with rsoultin at first. his reasoning actually makes sense for a townie, though. his posts mostly don't seem very memorable but his points on rsoultin resonate really well with me. Gets a pass for now.
rsoultin: Her posts give of a much different feel from the last game. She's not this nice lady trying to get everyone involved and figure out their motives. She's much more aggressive in her questioning of people. Would lynch.
raynpelikoneet: don't know, honestly. His reads seem fine for the most part.
Koshi: Doesn't feel like the great multiple awards winning town hero Koshi. Seems like he wants to lynch 99% based on post count. Not to my liking.
Holyflare:
Trfel: Heavy focus on Conversion early on but then switched off him, not quite sure why. Like his pressure on koshi.
prplhz: No idea how to read him at this point:
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On February 09 2018 09:25 Damdred wrote:
Im going to break this down then.
You are being a hypocrit mocsta, you say that i regurgitate all of my reads but you copy and paste hf argument that i explain and ignore when you are called out on it. Did you call me out about it? If so, I would have replied. You dont have to live vicariously through Raynpelikoneet. Anyways, I commented on your summary reads just prior. There is no relevant to agreeing with HF, this from you is truly facetious.
And honestly no, you slipped back into the thread sentiment like you did last game and i just dont know what it makes you. Overreaction, there is only 2 votes your way. Thread sentiment is meaningless without votes.
And honestly i dont know what it makes you, idc about voting or not because unlike what most of the thread thinks about me im not stupid and can read the wall. I never thought you were stupid - its why I expect more from you.
Again, according to your logic, I should be an even stronger town read.
And I truly want to know why you think I should be ashamed of myself from your first post.
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On February 09 2018 09:47 Damdred wrote:
Firstly mocsta, the ashamed part was tongue in cheek ribbing because i like you. And really I thought it was humerous you were usimg activity as a way to scum read me while you checked out all these past games of people XD.
But really it wasnt supposed to be a dig at you and i reallu do apologize if you took it that way. it was interpreted as I should be ashamed to have made a case on rsoultin
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On February 09 2018 09:49 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2018 09:47 rsoultin wrote:On February 09 2018 09:42 Damdred wrote:On February 09 2018 09:32 rsoultin wrote:
Please answer my questions. I thought you were town!Damdred but now I'm getting doubts. I don't see why questioning you dismissing everyone as town on one wagon while you think it was a svs vote an insult to your intelligence? Idk i feel like there is some kind of disconnect between what I am saying and pieces are being put against me in a way idk I'm not sure that I understand what you're trying to say here? i dont know what im doimg wrong and why people cant understand me.... Well, I would like a position on Rayn dropping all happenings in the game, to call me scum for writing <b>bomb</b>. Try to factor out your position on me please.
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