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Other than that, Stanislav Petrov seems like utter scum. # Vote Stanislav Petrov | ||
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I don't have a scum and he is not with stan. If I did, he might, but I would lynch him first as I would any scum in my possession. | ||
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On November 19 2017 07:31 KelsierSC wrote: Am I pretending to post to avoid posting? No, you are actually posting, but you might be pretending to pretend to post to avoid questions about your pretending to post. Ok I'll stop Aside from Stan, who do you think is mafia? | ||
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On November 19 2017 07:57 Stanislav Petrov wrote: Lets just lynch Damdred for prodding Oats and backing off immediately  Kelsier & Ruxxar look like they're doing scummy stuff together. Though without confirming if Ruxxar's game history is true, I rather slightly liked Damdreds point on dumb-telling. But ofcourse Damdred would know if Ruxxar was town since Damdred would know all the scum through association. Z-bozon I like what you're doing, let's get along muchacho! If you can tell us your mafia buddies, I will be more than glad to just chill and get along. Ignore the other person that called you retarded, he's just that mean. Cooperating with us is in your best interests. Btw, let's not get too deep into these web of associations this early on. Who would you choose as scum out of KelsierSC/Ruxxar/Damdred? One pick. | ||
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We definitely need to hear from some other posters. I know, I know, it's only been a few hours but I'm so angsty. On November 19 2017 08:45 Stanislav Petrov wrote: I'd love to be able to oblige you but since I'm not mafia I can't. Truly saddens me. Right now the order I'd like to lynch in is Damdred->KelsierSC->One of the lurkers That's unfortunate. You will find soon enough that life is not about easy choices. | ||
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On November 19 2017 10:38 Damdred wrote: What do you think of his answer on his lynch order? His lynch order doesn't really matter, but I am concerned he was a tad bit too defensive. Kinda felt like he felt pressured to come up with scum lists. Peaced out afterwards. KelsierSC is all passive and non-committal despite being fairly active, which I don't like, so I'm really interested to see how he will progress. On November 19 2017 09:27 Conversion wrote: why is Stan scum again? is this some sort of aggressive pressure to get some info? Well, props to answering your own question. He did give a response to which you said nothing about. Do you agree with my dislike of his response? Does it ... tempt you? | ||
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On November 19 2017 11:46 Chezinu wrote: The game goes on. People trolling. People talking nonsense. Pretending their nonsense has meaning. Arguing on little, so the big is hidden in smoke. Yet here I am. Am I also a spewer if nonsense? Honesty is rare in these game if only coming by in a joking manner. Yet here I am. Hiding behind a persona. Knowing transparency would be my demise. Today is one of those days I question my ways. Prudent I have heard. Speaking plainly is not a well known option among the champions of these realms. Perhaps there is a way to play with honesty. I could always be truthful of that which I do not want to disclose. I could say my reads are confidential. My role is classified. I could play a defensive and honest game. I believe the telling of my reads will skew other town players thoughts and do not want to steer the town the wrong way unless I'm more confident. Of course, town will say no one is ever 100% confident in this game.... except for a few particular individuals who are even if they were wrong. Which begs the questions if they really were. If they had enough faith, could what they believe come to being? If it were just your faith alone, how would you explain being blindsided in life? This is where the positive thinking movements falls negative. Honesty... speaking of faith without a troll. Is speaking with troll cowardly on such subjects? To hide behind personas the same as masks? Is it the same when you let everyone know you're acting and pretending? Though some may retrospectively say they were joking when an offense was taken. This is not good. Deeper subjects is much more worthy of discussion to decide who to lynch than activity and grammar. The content and heart of the matter is more important. Let us stop looking merely at the outward appearance of paragraphs and color texts. So, we shall have a debate. The first topic is this: Shall we have a debate on a deep subject to determine who we shall lunch rather than rely on jokes and giggles? I will watch the debate and choose a winner. The response to the debate which is of a greater matter as spoken of earlier will be of surprise. Let's play mafia with deep debate. Try a new game of one of you had desires. Else you risk a game of bore. And so you've spoken. Let it be heard. Let us debate then, man of purpose. Until there are more people on the board, I favor a lynch of policy. Silence is an unwelcome demon, and should not be emphasized in this light. Though I am a bit curious. Explain please, to a simple mind, what the true meaning of the post you produced earlier. Are you expressing concern, since your reads must stay silent? On November 19 2017 10:42 Chezinu wrote: My heart. Why so downcast? The ails of hopes deferred shall in time fade by a tree of life. Knowing so, you still ache as a woman before birth and a runner mid race. Lynch today I hear First town First mafia Lynch today I hear The response. Speaks more than the pain. The reaction lasts beyond the incident, thus is of more importance. It tells of the condition. The diagnosis is that we are not well. How will we address this sickness? That is of significance. I call for help to Him whom can. | ||
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On November 19 2017 11:53 Chezinu wrote: I see your questions and I question your questions. Do you love probing questions? Has this been successful in your mafia finding strategies in the past? I do love probing questions. As to the success, I cannot testify, but I do presume it is better than sitting still. The questions do not distract anything else because there is nothing to distract from. Hopefully that answers your question and inspires newer, fresher ones. | ||
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While I did laugh at this, I would wager that you have already asked more questions than I. You also asked this pointless question after a very inspiring pep talk and multiple scoldings on the style I've brought to this game. I demand you answer my previous posts! | ||
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On November 19 2017 12:15 Chezinu wrote: I likes you. I believe I have right before reading this post. Carry on! The feeling is mutual. I also appreciate your entertaining style. Let us proceed then! I count 6 players with no mark. 3 players with small contributions followed by peace-outs. The time for questions has passed. I demand content! | ||
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On November 19 2017 12:20 Damdred wrote: Chez Boson Rux is the start of an amazing if not marginally insane town circle. Conversion, does anything give you pause or make you wonder yet? Boson I would agree that his defensiveness moves him up/down in neutral. I am more interested in seeing him really defend the position on the lynch order. Just for curiosity, why is Rux on this list? I've strong town vibes from Chezinu unless his mafia is an evil best not spoken of. Rux is... ? Is this a meta read? As to his lynch order, it would be more relevant how he pursues it I'd say. Though I do want to understand why you and KeslierSC are at the top of his list. Seems kind of arbitrary. | ||
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On November 19 2017 11:58 Conversion wrote: I've never met this z-boson guy. I don't know what you're trying to say with your first question neutral. dude might be busy, but his start is definitely one of the most consistent things, and he's not doing it this game so just taking notes Pleasure to make your acquaintance. You are neutral in the sense that he acts up in the beginning as a player of both parties? | ||
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On November 19 2017 09:19 Holyflare wrote: Shame damd is mafia for realising that pro strat though. I don't even know how many mafia there are and I don't think he usually reads ops either. Maybe. Oh look. I'm totes not mafia. If I were, I would absolutely know the numscum! | ||
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On November 19 2017 12:57 Chezinu wrote: Whew.. deep content.. here we go! Honesty.. Some years back I played a game with a player with your username... You defended me. I was mafia that game and won with oats. I think you should know these things if you didn't recall or saw the endgame. Honesty. Activity and attention seeking is not alignment indicating for me. Reflects my busyness in RL more than anything. To know me, well.. I don't know.. search "Chezinu is Chezinu" in the search bar. I'm sure you will get plenty of results. Content. Contentment in the role we have and the activity levels of others. Honesty. I partially said the above to move from town to brown, so the mafia are less likely to kill me. Smart or wrong? Note to self: Make web association of likes. Holy fuckballs. Blast from the past there, sir. Thanks for the humbling lesson. Mafia, I no longer have a town read on Chezinu. | ||
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On November 20 2017 00:14 darthfoley wrote: I still want Boson to explain why he's trying to make people choose into his determined lynch options 6 hours into the game Because I want to? Interesting why you call that fluff when there was a ton of equally if not more irrelevant shit beforehand. Btw, will travel today, expect less activity | ||
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On November 20 2017 00:06 darthfoley wrote: +1 I find this odd as well. Much less active and withiutnthe typical aggression I associate with his play over the past two games Odd as in “scum Oats would do this?” | ||
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On November 20 2017 00:13 darthfoley wrote: Ruxx and Boson are probably Town Is this “Ruxx is town” echo chamber related to his meta? O feel like Im missing something. I feel like Im missing something. Also, what are your thoughts on Tumblewood and holyflare? | ||
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I’d rather lynch someone else Holyflare seems tempting. VE/Palmar might just get replaced. Not sure what to think of Hapa going for the easy case ajd peacing out. He did mention he would be inactive... but still. I’ll post more from computer when I get home. | ||
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On November 20 2017 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote: ZBoson I find darth scummy. Of particular note there was a sequence where he called you town and then immediately was like "I still want ZBoson to explain this completely trivial matter though." in case anyone else found you scummy. WHAT SAY YOU?!?! I found it scummy as fuck, but it looks like it is TOO scummy knowwhatimsayin? Uncertain as fuck though. I’d rather lynch a more quiet fellow | ||
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Dunno man, I’m just Q&A here atm, on phone. Holyflare and tumbleweed are very tempting. Stan .... maybe. He just posted when I was randomly accusing him and was yet to be seen. | ||
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On November 20 2017 05:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Not sure of his most recent meta, but from my own personal experience, Hapa used to tryhard at first and then throttle down as his theories started to prove false. Much like my own meta. Hence, early activity has historically proven to be a decent indicator of alignment. Again, this could be outdated. Speaking of outdated, I have his 2012 meta in mind, but I don’t think it points either way. He was involved as fuck always and now he is not. That’s a non-read in terms of activity specially considering he said he was gonna be less active. It’s just that darthfoley is the easiest case possible. I feel bothered by this. | ||
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Can we lynch holyflare then? Please? | ||
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On November 20 2017 05:37 Oatsmaster wrote: It's almost 24 hours and you don't really have any reads?!? Why HF and TW? Over like conversion This may sound hypocritical coming from "the questioner", but Oatsmaster, are you like the fucking police or something? Your filter is filled with questions with no real followups. You sheep darth accusations yet prod me for reads in this strange manner. Are you ok there man? I'm getting strange vibes from you. | ||
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On November 20 2017 10:32 Holyflare wrote: Even if that's the case I still find your reads highly questionable. I feel like you've double justified ruxxar town for no reason. You state you believe the damdred read on him but then you try and over justify it by adding that "he's pushing like usual" which I find extremely unsatisfactory because he's not pushing things that make sense in the slightest. Then the hapa post which shows you reading a guy probably town but asking for a justification on his posts straight afterward which is questionable as hell. You'll likely defend with "but I must question things that don't make sense!" but that's not a defence in this situation. You got the posts reversed. It should be ask question into response into he's probably town. I like that you picked up your activity. Let's step back from darthfoley for a little bit. You mentioned Ruxxar was worth looking at but I've seen no further comment from you regarding him. Do you agree with the town reads he's being given in this thread? | ||
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On November 21 2017 02:37 Hapahauli wrote: ##Unvote Darthfoley ##Vote Sanislav Petrov Darthfoley was a test. Stanislav Petrov failed. Holyflare failed. Tumblewood gets a D-. Stanislav Petrov is all-over-the-place, is throwing shade, and isn't pushing anything coherent. Shortly after giving a lynch list of... ... he blind sheeps the darthfoley wagon without really ever pushing it. His next two posts are pushing the wagon without really contributing or attempting to figure out darthfoley: ...and pushing two other players while having his vote on darthfoley. So, heuristically I think that Stan would have been less all-over-the-place if he was mafia. He seems like a newer player not sure where to move next. I'd place him in the same category as TW: kinda mafia looking, kinda lynch-baity looking. Holyflare has done little but tunnel darthfoley, who was already leading in votes. I'm not sure what the townie motivation there is there. He looks a lot more scummy in his defensiveness to my eyes. I would also be down for an oatsmaster lynch. Please look at his filter and agree. | ||
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Um, I have my own reads, some of which are very in my filter. More on HF shortly. | ||
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On November 21 2017 02:59 darthfoley wrote: Basically people are defending Stan for being all over the place, yet the big accusation against me is that I was "all over the place" once with one question about my first town read 6 hours into D1. LoL Umm... Im the only one that said Stan is being all over the place. Im also not happy with lynching you... so.... | ||
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ok so he's just a black box to me then. On November 21 2017 03:05 darthfoley wrote: Conversion and a couple others have said similar things iirc I see. And do you agree with that pseudo-defense? | ||
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On November 20 2017 09:06 darthfoley wrote: Why do you include this baloni qualifier at the beginning? If you like the wagon why are you also pointing out how it's quickly growing with no defense for me? Hedge master supreme Weird-ass post. On November 20 2017 10:36 Holyflare wrote: And there's the things you pick out. You ask zboson, your town read, why he does such a weird pick mafia out of three thing but then when someone else asks what you think about lynching me/tw etc you don't give a shit about them asking that. And you dislike kelsier's jarring comment which isn't particularly hard to fathom what he means at all. If he's mafia he's lying that something was jarring or what? What's your thought process behind him making that comment as mafia? Repeating previous arguments against DF for non-understandabe reasons. Talking about Damdred. Doesnt like that someone wants to lynch damdred with that line of thought but... just a few posts before: On November 20 2017 18:06 Holyflare wrote: Fwiw I think damdred could be mafia with an increasing probability So someone accuses a person that you think is mafia with "increasing probability" for some reason, and instead of trying to dissect the other argument to support and push it, he just says "weird comment"? What the fuckshit? Aside from that strange blooper, he does some to push Damdred on a strange read: On November 20 2017 18:07 Holyflare wrote: Complete polar opposite to how he looks to me. So he is sus of Damdred for being sus of a person that he disagrees "doesn't seem to have much in the way of motives" (i.e. he also doesnt like ruxxar) He then continue to get some crappy "damdred sais ruxx is having fun, which is THE OPPOSITE of how I view him" Holyflare has just started being active after he felt some pressure. He is inconsistent in his reads and follow ups of damdred/ruxx. He has all but tunneled df mindlessly without adding much. Can we please murder him? ##Vote HF | ||
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On November 21 2017 02:56 Hapahauli wrote: Oats is behaving like oats. It's been a while since I've played with him, but all his games are pretty one-linery-ish, incoherent, spammy, etc. What specifically about him is damning? From a general sense I just don't ike how he does not seem to be actually scum hunting. Seems more like hes just trying to get that appearance off. What does a scum oats look like? Dont answer that, actually, but keep that in mind for later. | ||
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On November 21 2017 03:54 ruXxar wrote: Koshi/Stan are my 2 horses. Consolidation should be priority #1. I don’t think a HF push will be fruitful and it’s honestly just killing DF. I’d prefer to say on stan right now. I hate shenanigans. It's not a shenanigan, and Stan is fine. But why do you say it's just killing DF? | ||
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On November 21 2017 04:06 Z-BosoN wrote: It's not a shenanigan, and Stan is fine. But why do you say it's just killing DF? nvm just saw the vote count | ||
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On November 21 2017 04:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah ok this is some bullshit read. Why would mafia tumblewood defend town DF???? Don't know but kelsier doesn't know either. Hmm. Also TW is totally playing like his last game where he did the exact same thing and he was town. Kelsier scummy While I'm definitely rethinking my town read on Kelsi, please consider the lynch votes for today. Are you really really still set on df? | ||
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I mentioned he looked like a new player, I think he just wanted to confirm. It makes a difference on what you can or cannot attribute to inexperience. | ||
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Are you wasting time asking pointless questions with one hour set to lynch? On November 21 2017 04:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Zbo, are you gonna waste your vote today? Also why the FUCK do you want me to change my vote? If you have been reading, you would know I would much prefer Stan, not the person you are voting on. | ||
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On November 21 2017 04:22 Oatsmaster wrote: I didn't want to know what you thought about the question, I wanted to know what hapa thought about the question. Holyflare is a wasted vote, and you much rather prefer Stan over darthfoley, my current lynch target? So you are voting for holyflare because you want to lynch him over Stan and DF then? Gotcha. Thanks. ##Vote HF FTFY | ||
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On November 21 2017 04:35 Palmar wrote: Unless some big gun has a case I don’t know about May I tempt you with HF? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26833445 We can switch to Stan if it doesn't take off. No way DF gets lynched. | ||
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On November 21 2017 04:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Nah dude, I totally thought DF was scummier just because Petrov voted him. A scum read votes a bigger scum read, cvausing the bigger scum to be scummier and the lesser scum to be townier. HELLS YEA | ||
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On November 21 2017 04:41 Palmar wrote: Are you a big gun? (Although I don’t hate that case...) I'm definitely not a big gun. I need to convince big guns of my scum hunting skills so. Adopt me. | ||
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On November 21 2017 04:41 Oatsmaster wrote: This conclusion is pushing it a bit. How was he inconsistent in his reads? Who has he tunneled? He tunneled DF, your lynch target, like crazy, when he was already up in votes. Used repeated arguments. He is inconsistent in his ruxx/Damdred reads. He was piling up on Damd being scum, and then someone says that "Damd", his target, should be lynched because <insert reason>. All he does is say "weird comment". Inconsistent to his supposed scum read. Damd also was against ruxx, whom he also happened to think was scummy looking. It smells man | ||
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On November 21 2017 04:51 Palmar wrote: Do you have like a concise case on Stan for me to compare to the hf case? No case for Stan, but his filter is not too long. Only came up when summoned, random 180s, sheeped someone he didn't think was scum earlier, etc. I think he has some chance of flipping red, but I'm preferring HF because of a heuristic: "I would think he would be less 180-like gratuitously in day one if he was scum" | ||
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On November 21 2017 04:51 Oatsmaster wrote: That post was literally on the 3rd page of the game. Why is it inconsistent though, inconsistent is if he calls damdred town, not calling other people who think damdred is scum scum. Can you count the number of posts HF is talking about DF and count the number of posts im talking about DF? nah. I just got this from reading the interaction between pages 13-20 or something like that. Sure you've tunneled him harder, but that's not the sole reason. Can you explain why you think HF town? | ||
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On November 21 2017 05:05 Palmar wrote: TW is like 70% mafia for that comment alone Hf is maybe 60% but has a larger wagon and well... lynching hf is always fun. I get to call him trash in the thread for the rest of the game even if he flips town and he can't say shit back Of the two leading wagons I don't think I want to kill either of them, but I've been doing this for like 15 minutes so. Just curious, on a scale from "last two pages" to "whole fucking thread", how much are you reading here? | ||
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Sure sure, but I meant no cases that I'd like to point out. His filter is small enough that we can infer what could be so scummy imo. | ||
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Listen man if you are town, lets be friends at around day 3. If I dont die or get you lynched by then, I probably wont ever. | ||
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On November 21 2017 05:19 Palmar wrote: oh you're one of those stan fellas I know right. Fuckin stanners... ugh | ||
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On November 21 2017 05:21 darthfoley wrote: WHAT IS HAPPENING I NEED TO KNOW my rear end depends on it If tumblewood switches to HF, you do too and hope someone else does. Otherwise, you fucked. | ||
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On November 21 2017 05:24 Palmar wrote: We can do it. I don't need no more than 30 minutes in a thread to herd the sheep. Thanks, big-gun-kun | ||
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On November 21 2017 05:25 Tumblewood wrote: imma hold out in case someone comes in last second but at :28 i'm switching to hf, a#uming nothing changes No. Just go HF | ||
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On November 21 2017 05:33 darthfoley wrote: All time dumb moves Not dumb, man was playing bad. It is only dumb in the sense that he may have been modkilled for not voting, but anyways. We gained interesting insight I'd say. Remember day 1 mafia lynches = lottery most of the time. | ||
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On November 21 2017 05:36 Oatsmaster wrote: What interesting insight was gained outta that??!? You being quiet for the last 15 min then BOOP. Hi guys. TW for his shitty voting behavior. Need to think more and such | ||
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On November 21 2017 05:43 Oatsmaster wrote: I didn't want to Lynch Stan or HF and literally nothing I could've said would've made a difference anyway. Can you pinpoint me to the exact moment of space-time where Stan became town to you? Did everyone else who voted for DF become town too? | ||
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On November 21 2017 05:48 Oatsmaster wrote: The point where Im not the one getting lynched? Its funnier to see HF die than stan anyway. Also it would've not made me look good because I made that whole spiel about DF being scum and Stan being not scum. TW. Kill or no kill? Kelsier was town to me, but then he did some weird shit I have to investigate. I also thought ruxxar was townie all this game, but something about his town read on HF... dunno | ||
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Damd, why did you claim man. We all knew you were town. | ||
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On November 21 2017 05:52 darthfoley wrote: #StanStillMafia2017 Back off from Stan. He has not met with Russians, ever. Fake news. | ||
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On November 21 2017 06:18 KelsierSC wrote: i'm done for the night, don't expect any posts until D2 starts. Thanks for the amazing contributions. See ya D2 | ||
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On November 20 2017 21:54 VisceraEyes wrote: dat damdred read doe. What damdred read? | ||
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Two questions for you. On November 21 2017 03:14 Conversion wrote: I've never defended Stan, nor will I back down from it. You spent a good deal of time on Stan. It's like, he can't possibly have done that post if he was town? I find your certainty troubling. On November 21 2017 05:33 Conversion wrote: well I wanted DF alive and stan lynched, so I got one of those things sorry HF Why exactly did you think HF was town? I don't recall you ever speaking to him or about him. You had no comments to defend someone you did not want to lynch. | ||
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On November 21 2017 01:27 darthfoley wrote: It's just bad how I have 6 votes for one question and "being aggressive all over the place" which is more or less what happened in last game D1. I guess I can understand it from the POV of people who haven't played much with me, but those like Oats and Koshi voting me without much justification is bad or mafia or both Could you please link that? | ||
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On November 21 2017 07:39 Conversion wrote: If I find scum, I will focus on him. I deferred to Palmar since he's probably a better player than me. I didn't want to lynch anyone else because I wanted to lynch stan I had not a lot of good information on HF and didn't think he was a good lynch? I wasn't defending him, I was saying Stan > HF. also that quoted post came after the flip, so why are you trying to make it seem I knew HF was town? You kinda like, apologized to him. Are you two buds or something? Not trying to make it seem like anything, but that kinda dimmed my town view on you. | ||
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On November 21 2017 07:43 Conversion wrote: also, why is certainty troubling? Stan was my biggest scum read and I wanted him lynched. I deferred in the end since I thought DF being dead is worse than someone who didn't play well enough for me to outright read him as town. by your logic your certainty on HF is troubling as well, and you should be reading yourself as scum. but that's not going to happen Oh I sure as fuck wasn't certain, but I felt he was a MUCH better lynch than the other two. But I would never go ahead and say "Nothing will ever make me back down from him". That's just.... ugh Certainty is troubling because scum is certain by nature whereas town isn't. It does not matter what the alignment to which the scum is "certain" off is. | ||
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On November 21 2017 07:47 Conversion wrote: wut? I apologized in a previous mafia game when I lynched ruxxar and he flipped town. and I was town. if you're going to "dim" your town view on me, do it based on my play and not this weird "you apologized so you're more scummy now" nonsense Getting defensive are we? Am I on to something? Who are you sus of now that he has flipped? | ||
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On November 21 2017 07:51 Conversion wrote: I'm getting defensive because you're being inane and asking retarded questions I'm gonna go cool off before I start being a little whiny bitch again Way to not answer the question and retreat. | ||
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On November 21 2017 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote: HF used a read on me that Damdred used earlier in the game, trying to "confirm" me as town because I said there were only 3 mafia. Dammy used that earlier to clear someone else, not sure who. TW maybe. Plus this: On November 20 2017 21:48 VisceraEyes wrote: I can just see the scum QT now. Palmar: "Oh shit he noticed! FUCK I need an excuse!" darthfoley: "You think YOU'VE got problems?!" Holyflare: "DEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" Palmar: "Ummmm......Spain. FUCK no civil unrest." darthfoley: "What about Portugal?" Palmar "SHUT UP DF! I KNOW! PORTUGAL!" Holyflare: "HRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP" Equals this?? On November 21 2017 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Ugh you guys killed HF? What happened to my beautiful DF wagon?  | ||
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On November 21 2017 08:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know what that equation is supposed to represent. I made a joke about Palmar and Holyflare simultaneously because I like both of those guys and I haven't played with either of them in around 3 years. I didn't actually think HF and Palmar were mafia, I was just saying they were mafia with DF because I thought DF was mafia and I was prodding at them. I see. Please, proceed reading. Would love to hear your take on it. | ||
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On November 21 2017 08:25 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm tempted to lynch Palmar for sheeping on D1. It's not like he was just strapped for time too, he ADVOCATED for his sheeped wagon. He COULD have participated and given god reads D1 as he's wont to do. He chose not to and chose to lynch a strong townie via sheep instead. I'm kinda bummed that it was likely he was getting modkilled for not voting. The man did not really care about the game, so meh. Not gonna question your read on him as I don't have one myself. Anyone else besides Palmar? | ||
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On November 21 2017 02:37 Hapahauli wrote: ##Unvote Darthfoley ##Vote Sanislav Petrov Darthfoley was a test. + Show Spoiler + Stanislav Petrov failed. Holyflare failed. Tumblewood gets a D-. Stanislav Petrov is all-over-the-place, is throwing shade, and isn't pushing anything coherent. Shortly after giving a lynch list of... On November 19 2017 08:45 Stanislav Petrov wrote: I'd love to be able to oblige you but since I'm not mafia I can't. Truly saddens me. Right now the order I'd like to lynch in is Damdred->KelsierSC->One of the lurkers ... he blind sheeps the darthfoley wagon without really ever pushing it. His next two posts are pushing the wagon without really contributing or attempting to figure out darthfoley: On November 20 2017 18:28 Stanislav Petrov wrote: You're trying to stop it right now. The 'nobody is trying to stop it so therefore the accused is innocent' argument sound good in theory but has rarely proved accurate in my experience. And that's without considering how disastrous it would be to let that become meta. The facts are darthfoley is the most suspicious person, so we should lynch him. ...and pushing two other players while having his vote on darthfoley. On November 21 2017 02:20 Stanislav Petrov wrote: I intended to me more active but I've been having a fever with a killer headache so I've just done some casual reading and lurking. But I'll be here aswell untill the lynch aswell but as of now I don't see a reason to switch target. Oat's have definitely been getting away with doing the bare minimum, spam, unserious accusations and asking non-important questions in a 2 page filter. On Conversation. If he hadn't voted me I'd say he's done nothing but throw questions into the air and hope somebody else picked them up and pushed them for him which is scum play. But he did vote me but looking at that because it also feels ungenuine to me. He sheeped Kelsier for the case and didn't aggressively accuse me of being scum as much as he voted me as a parking vote to pressure me to come back and explain something fairly non-important. And has no other scumreads. I don't like that it feels like he's both pushing me superhard by singling me out as his only scumread and at the same time isn't pressuring me hard at all but just says come back and explain this and until you do I'll have an alibi for voting you Can you give more insight to this test? Did you actually think DF = scum at any point? | ||
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On November 21 2017 08:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Nah hapa looks fine. Not very useful, but fine. I really wanna know why conversion assumed that palmar was town though. I'm inclined to agree but I'm genuinely curious. I'm certain that more can come of it. | ||
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Conversion I'm sus of I guess? Don't know how to interpret our little exchange. VE/Palmar might have a rotten fruit, but might not. Definitely one of those two options though. Need to reevaluate reads on DF, Kelsier, ruxxar, all of which seemed pretty townie to me. | ||
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On November 21 2017 09:01 Oatsmaster wrote: Chez really? Elimination I guess. He may have been busy irl, but today was a total no show for him. He also went through the trouble of finding a particular post I made in 2013 where I was defending him. That can be interpreted either way, either as a mafia brag or as just a random thing that any Chez would do. He mentioned he was telling me this so as to not get shot by mafia and not to look too townie, but his non-factor today would have been enough for that. Dunno. | ||
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On November 21 2017 09:36 Conversion wrote: alright before I catch up I want to apologize to Boson work was pissing me off and I should have just calmed down before posting going to catch up now Np man, happens. | ||
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Care to provide justification? I think he and Koshi are very nice lynch bait but they also kinda look like mafia too. Hapahauli, Koshi, TW are slow-activity posters that we will have a hard time with due to lack of content. They can't ALL be town... can they? -_- | ||
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Thanks for this, much feels, but what exactly was the point? It's like the second and third time you are pointing me to previous posts that I don't understand the why. It does not look like you are scumhunting. + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2017 14:19 Chezinu wrote: It's ok Boson!!!! I'm going make tonight. You have to make the mafia think you want to lynch in the morrow. I can crazy by myself!! I can make them think they can lynch me. I love you boson!!! Wounds from friends can be trusted. I see you accuse me to protects me.. I understand.. You're a great friend. I love you too man, but my heart is heavy. I really don't know where your loyalties lie. You aren't getting shot today I can tell you that. Why are you still going on about that? What is the meaning of it all? Is this how scum Chez acts? | ||
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On November 21 2017 17:22 Palmar wrote: It only really makes TW scummy for his weird strategy bullshit and hesitancy around the vote. People keep forgetting that it's townies who do retarded shit and run around like headless chicken. Who do you think is more likely to jump on my terrible wagon that mafia knows is town? Suddenly an experienced player brim filled with confidence starts yelling at everyone in the thread to lynch some dude. Who is more likely to blindly follow, mafia (who knows I'm wrong) or town (who's just looking for a lynch.... any lynch). I'm inclined to believe most of the people who followed me are town. I'm kinda upgrading Oats to town too, but I'm definitely missing at least one mafia in my town reads (as I always do). But that's mostly fine because it's higher % chance of success by hunting mafia in my scumreads. At least the ones that did so immediately. Some were a little more hesitant. On November 21 2017 05:25 Tumblewood wrote: imma hold out in case someone comes in last second but at :28 i'm switching to hf, a#uming nothing changes But I agree. Scum are generally more inertial when it comes to moving votes around. People with parked votes on DF: VisceraEyes, Chezinu, Stanislav Petrov, Koshi People with parked votes on Stan: ruxxar We have to be careful though, as inactivity does not imply scum. Don't really know what the point of this post is. I need to read more. | ||
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On November 21 2017 08:34 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm pretty sure mafiaHapa doesn't "test" townies, but anyone is free to debunk my feelings there if there's hard evidence to the contrary. On November 21 2017 20:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Like....Hapa is really confusing in a really mafia sort of way. He noticed the same thing I noticed about darthfoley, which made me think DF was mafia, and seemed to make him think DF was mafia. However he then comes in and says it's some sort of test? Like, a bait and switch sort of thing? It's just way more likely that he's not reading the game at all and doesn't care. And that's mafia Hapa to me. Did you not know of this information before? Why does this come to light all of a sudden? | ||
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On November 22 2017 03:03 Damdred wrote: Maybe im giving bos to big a free pass, he said he would consolidate om stan to save df but with minutes to go hes not making much of a move even when people he thinks are scum (oats) are hard pushimg df. Its strange some parts of his filter I thought HF was the best candidate. I had a small heuristic read on Stan that made him a shittier candidate than HF. When Palmar started pushing the HF train I was like "sweet. problem solved" Though I'm currently failing to see who comes out of this more scummier than the rest. I might also die soon so fuck. | ||
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On November 22 2017 03:29 KelsierSC wrote: Just about to go to the gym so going to bash out a few thoughts before day 2 starts. Most importantly who I would want want to lynch tomorrow, TW, rux, conversion. I don't even think TW needs explanation. rux's reaction to me leaving and making a joke was super fake anger. , it just shows his weird focus and not really engaging in anything. Haven't liked conversion all game, still don't. I'm still undecided on darth I think he's likely town just from how others have interacted with him , like ruxxar said darth was bleeding town at a time where he wasn't bleeding town, just not being as bad as before. That felt like a bonus for df and a minus for rux. I'm not going to lynch oats, I was pretty irritated by his comment on "why would tw defend df "or something like that so I was in a fuck this guy frame of mind but there's more good than bad, plus he didn't vote hf and stuck on his darth read. I don't have many town, I like boson and Stan, I liked chez early on but that read was on tone mostly I like VE, VE said something this night phase which was pretty smart but I don't remember exactly what it was. Can't be asked to find the quote but i'll look it up later. Damdred is sort of weird, I was kind of suspect on him , then when he didn't read me town in a situation where he should have made me call him mafia but he claimed vig, I read PR as mafia so maybe he's real. Lastly palmar, hapa and koshi. Palmar and koshi are playing sort of weird but they are both experienced players with a good range so I don't know what to do with them. I liked hapa because he was one of the first people to vote darth and call him out I think but obviously around vote time I don't know what the fuck happened. Then again at least one town voted on hf so some people are a little special. As for me being "anti town" i'm probably the only player in the game who voted on mafia D1. This isn't the most coherent piece so I will read and answer any relevant questions when I get back from working out So I make my case against HF, on page 22. I keep pushing him, such as on page 25. Me and Oats discuss the shit out of it. You don't do anything because right before my post on page 22 you say "out till deadline". Sure. HOWEVER, before that you had this gem of a post: On November 21 2017 01:41 Koshi wrote: Opened hapa and palmar tgeir filter. Then decided to open hf filter against better judgement. Now I am very sad. I have it on good authority that there are 3 mafia. So it is ok to ml a couple times. This is all the help I will give town today. Maybe I will be mpre generous in future days. I'm by no means an English major, but that leads me to conclude you did not like what you saw in the HF filter. So you peace out with the shittiest one liner, telling us to "not screw up". Then, you shame us with this post: On November 21 2017 06:05 KelsierSC wrote: yeh pretty fucking bad don't know how TW didn't get lynched. Some comment oats made was pretty fucking special something like "why does mafia tw defend town df"... yeh buddy because mafia never defends town. Oats has played enough games to know that comment is really stupid or he has been repeatedly stomped in the head since we last played. Probably lynch between oats and TW tomorrow. I was like "huh. to each their own, but I guess he REALLY wanted TW lynched." Now you shame us again saying: Then again at least one town voted on hf so some people are a little special. Having some consistency issues there, dude? | ||
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On November 22 2017 03:43 Damdred wrote: but your stan heuristic of being a new player fumbling was proven wromg and you never reevlusted that read. So you had what seems to be a tr on df near the end but you made very little in the way of waves to try to aave him exactly? and it relied on us moving within like 3 minutes to do so? Um, read my filter man. I was fighting for the HF (you typed DF but I think this is what you meant) lynch. I was Chief Strategist for Shepherd Palmar. Also, I didn't rely on anything. I wanted the HF lynch to happen, and pushed for it. The heuristic is pretty shit, I will agree, but it's day one. Not much to go on. It also looked to me like Stan was trying and stuff. Palmar and some other person feel the same way, so I find strength in my claims. Btw, I might get shot. Are you here? You're town, and I'm town. One of us might get shot today. Let's chat as townsfolk today and tomorrow you can continue your investigation on me. Sound good? That being said, I'm confused as fuck about Kelsier. I had a fairly strong town read on him but he's doing weird shit. | ||
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On November 22 2017 04:16 Damdred wrote: Im not arguing that you werent consistant in wanting to lymch hf, your first two pages are trying to see if anyone is interested in that. I did mean to type df as you said he would not be the lynch today, but if we hadnt of switched he would of been. And you made very little effort to consolidate is my point. I disagree that stan was really trying hard, its more like pulling teeth from him tbh (no offense stan). But yes we will continue our talk Ah yea, read your post wrong. I had no way to know whose wagon people would jump from. Pushing HF was more important than saving DF so it made the decision really simple. Also, back to Hapa, this post really stood out to me: On November 21 2017 02:38 Hapahauli wrote: Holyflare failed because he's doing the thing where he's being overly antagonistic to his scumreads without trying to be productive. I have generally disliked the way he has pushed DF. Tumblewood looks bad, but also seems super-lynchbaity. Someone tell me about him so I don't have to tunnel him for the next billion hours. Wait. He said he wasn't going to be active this game. Why is he trying to make it sound like he would tunnel Tumblewood? That's a blooper. This also stood out as a "look at me I care about this game" post: On November 21 2017 04:45 Hapahauli wrote: Please don't turn this game into a dick wagging contest. Yep, definitely reconsidering my townread on Hapa. Funny that I just called out VE on the same thing, but I would like to see his reasoning. | ||
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LOL. That's a blooper. Fucking K's Yea scratch that. I though I was looking at Kelsiers filter | ||
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This post and this post, if you would be so kind. 1) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/528650-mafia-mafia-mafia-mafia?page=35#690 2) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/528650-mafia-mafia-mafia-mafia?page=40#794 | ||
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What is hardly anything btw? This exchange confuses me. | ||
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Chronology on Hapa On November 21 2017 08:34 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm pretty sure mafiaHapa doesn't "test" townies, but anyone is free to debunk my feelings there if there's hard evidence to the contrary. ** Whole bunch of no-hapa posts happen ** On November 21 2017 20:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Like....Hapa is really confusing in a really mafia sort of way. He noticed the same thing I noticed about darthfoley, which made me think DF was mafia, and seemed to make him think DF was mafia. However he then comes in and says it's some sort of test? Like, a bait and switch sort of thing? It's just way more likely that he's not reading the game at all and doesn't care. And that's mafia Hapa to me. Chronology on DF From regular scumread On November 21 2017 18:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't have a massive scumread on anyone, the strongest read I have is on df, and it's just a normal kind of scum read. To townread On November 21 2017 20:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm ready to just say fuck it, DF was town all along, Hapa took advantage of the quick wagon on DF to inject confusion into the thread and peace out. That pretty much explains the clusterfuck that Palmar was able to cobble together too, because everyone was pointing fingers at everyone else at the time. On a semi-related note, I think the breakdown in communication is that DF called what Stan did a 180, where he just voted for DF for no reason. There wasn't any flip in opinion, it was just verbiage that was misused and caused a bunch of confusion. To back to scumread for some association reason. On November 21 2017 20:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Ugh, or DF is mafia and Hapa didn't think the bus vote he cast super early would lead to a potentially lethal deathwagon. :/ I don't know I wish more people were here or cared. To both Hapa and DF being nice lynches. There's the "I'm a confused townie that is really trying to understand this game" And then there's the "I'm a scumhead trying to feign confusion oh look I'm so confused." I'm starting to think, given your filter, you are going for the latter. Why, man? | ||
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Ruxxar was pretty solid too, at least in the first day. Gg and thank hosts for hosting this | ||
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I'm a bit salty about going balls to the wall too soon this game. Normally I'm more chill, but in the past that's caused people to want to lynch me, and I wanted none of that shit I guess. Should have kept my cool and waited a bit. Bleh. | ||
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On November 30 2017 05:54 Fecalfeast wrote: Also yeah i didn't realize it was american thanksgiving guys sorry I mean, that's the primary reason I chose to join this game in particular. It's not like Thanksgiving creeped up out of fucking nowhere catching us with our pants down. | ||
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