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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9852 Posts
September 30 2017 17:55 GMT
#264
I honestly don't think I'll ever be able to understand you Oats. You scum read every player at the drop of a hat.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9852 Posts
September 30 2017 18:08 GMT
#270
On October 01 2017 02:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On October 01 2017 02:54 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 01 2017 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 01 2017 02:46 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 01 2017 02:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 01 2017 02:33 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 01 2017 02:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 01 2017 02:26 Grackaroni wrote:
The only thing that makes me not want to kill VIvax right now is the fact that he's actually playing in an afk game, which he might not do as scum.

why OMGUS though

Because he's trying to push a lynch on me for bad reasons?

thats literally the definition of omgus though.

Kind of. I won't scum read somebody for pushing me if I believe their thought process. If their reasons for pushing me seem manufactured then of course I'll think they're scummy.

obviously if you are town their reasons are manufactured.

No that has nothing to do with what alignment I am. Reasons to scum read somebody are only made up by scum.

i mean, if your scum partner is bussing you then he has legit reasons.

Anyway, you are totally not getting what Im saying.

If you are town, everyone who calls you scum is wrong and has bad reasons. So why does that make Vivax mafia????
cant he be town and wrong?

Of course he could be town and wrong. But mafia has to make up reasons to scum read somebody and his narrative about my post seems downright biased towards reading me as mafia rather than a fair interpretation of what I've written.

Here's the really interesting thing about the game right now:

There are lots of afks. The lynch is still completely up in the air. Scum almost certainly has at least one player who is in danger of being wagoned. Regardless of Rels' alignment they need to push suspicion on somebody non-Rels because Rels hasn't said anything. Then Vivax makes that post. Fuck yeah I'm suspicious.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9852 Posts
September 30 2017 18:11 GMT
#272
On October 01 2017 03:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On October 01 2017 03:08 Grackaroni wrote:
Regardless of Rels' alignment they need to push suspicion on somebody non-Rels because Rels hasn't said anything.

Why?

Because otherwise they risk a wagon forming on one of them. Unless scum is just entirely afk.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9852 Posts
September 30 2017 18:12 GMT
#273
There aren't any good reasons to kill Rels.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9852 Posts
September 30 2017 18:16 GMT
#275
On October 01 2017 03:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On October 01 2017 03:11 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 01 2017 03:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 01 2017 03:08 Grackaroni wrote:
Regardless of Rels' alignment they need to push suspicion on somebody non-Rels because Rels hasn't said anything.

Why?

Because otherwise they risk a wagon forming on one of them. Unless scum is just entirely afk.

So everyone who proposed a lynch other than Rels is mafia? Because thats what you are saying.

That's not what I'm saying.

But there is more pressure for scum to come up with reasons to suspect somebody because they have an added survival instinct and I didn't like Vivax's reasons for pushing me.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9852 Posts
September 30 2017 18:20 GMT
#277
For the record I'm not entirely sold on Vivax being mafia. I'm spending a lot of time explaining the reasons why I think he could be because that's the direction this conversation has taken.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9852 Posts
September 30 2017 19:42 GMT
#284
On October 01 2017 04:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On October 01 2017 03:20 Grackaroni wrote:
For the record I'm not entirely sold on Vivax being mafia. I'm spending a lot of time explaining the reasons why I think he could be because that's the direction this conversation has taken.

You rather lynch koshi than Vivax?

I think they're both fine lynches. It's very hard to make the right lynch when there is so little happening in thread to base it off of.

The only read I'm very sure about right now is that you are town because I know you aren't able to pull off this kind of aggressive/stubborn play as scum.

I also like Rayn because he's reading the game the same way as I am but he could definitely fool me.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9852 Posts
September 30 2017 19:57 GMT
#285
Where is the Holyflare?

Also Chez what are you thinking right now?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9852 Posts
September 30 2017 20:01 GMT
#286
Meh nobodys here.

I'm killing Vivax.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9852 Posts
September 30 2017 21:22 GMT
#295
On October 01 2017 06:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well that was totally unexpected.......

Then you should have voted Vivax.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9852 Posts
October 01 2017 18:48 GMT
#328
Koshi would be a good lynch tomorrow. Lots of fear mongering about Rayn while being completely noncommittal towards Rayn's alignment. And more buddying of HF based on ????.

On October 02 2017 03:16 Koshi wrote:
HF is so very probably town.
Looks bad for rayn.


Question is. Why would mafia rayn put himself in such a shitty situation where both Koshi and HF are town and he is left with Breshke.

What even is this? Why is HF very probably town and what are you saying about Breshke?

Feels very scummy.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9852 Posts
October 01 2017 22:11 GMT
#341
I'm still not sure what you were saying about Rayn being left with Breshke earlier.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9852 Posts
October 01 2017 22:12 GMT
#342
Not sure if you are in a more communicative mood or still stubborn.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9852 Posts
October 01 2017 22:45 GMT
#359
On October 02 2017 07:17 Koshi wrote:
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On October 02 2017 07:11 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm still not sure what you were saying about Rayn being left with Breshke earlier.

Well rayn calls only vivax/hf/koshi and breshke mafia.
Koshi calls vivax, hf town.

rayn is left with only Breshke if the townvets step up and find each other. Which was not a bad read to be left with apparently but still.

So basically your thought process is that Rayn will base his play entirely on how you are reading people. That actually seems very believable from TL mafia's #1 player.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9852 Posts
October 01 2017 22:49 GMT
#364
I was really expecting a Rayn kill or maybe possibly a Grack kill lol. I agree that Breshke's read on Damerion doesn't seem like a push on a partner.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9852 Posts
October 01 2017 22:50 GMT
#367
On October 02 2017 07:48 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2017 07:45 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 02 2017 07:17 Koshi wrote:
On October 02 2017 07:11 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm still not sure what you were saying about Rayn being left with Breshke earlier.

Well rayn calls only vivax/hf/koshi and breshke mafia.
Koshi calls vivax, hf town.

rayn is left with only Breshke if the townvets step up and find each other. Which was not a bad read to be left with apparently but still.

So basically your thought process is that Rayn will base his play entirely on how you are reading people. That actually seems very believable from TL mafia's #1 player.

No. My point is I don't see mafia rayn putting himself in a situation on D2 in which he can only lynch Breshke because the town vets are obvious townies.

Cuz Vivax and HF are obvious townies.


And now that Breshke flipped that seems an extra bad play from him.




Unless he was going balls to the walls with his Vivax/HF/Koshi scumteam though.

Vivax can be an obvious townie but HF is almost never an obvious townie since his scum play is so good. You're like in the middle of those two.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9852 Posts
October 01 2017 23:12 GMT
#376
On October 02 2017 08:00 Damerion wrote:
I am unsure why my points get ignored about Grackanori, but I think he should be the lynch today if only for discussion and forcing people to take stances.

A Breshke/Grackanori team makes some semblance of sense with the way Breshke interacted with my early reads and attempted to discredit them.

Also I was thinking earlier about the early post by Grackanori and trying to forge an alliance with FecalFeast. It almost seems like a post you would make towards a partner setting them up for an entrance and a reason to townread them.

I am not so sure about that but I am torn between the third scum being Raypelikeet, FecalFeast or Vivax (The way he ended on his vote after Grackanori read felt distancing a bit).

But I still believe Grackanori is the best lynch, and you shoukd sheep confirmed town.

Quick comment on HF's post.

On October 02 2017 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
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On October 01 2017 00:17 Breshke wrote:
I really dislike damerions read on grack about the alliance and peoples read on vivax when he said lynch two people and hopefully one is town else boring game. In both cases i feel posts are being misinterpreted (purposfully or not) so people can make weak reads. The vivax read was dropped so im going to assume it was more pressure than a genuine read. However i think it is scummy that damerion has written so much but said so little. I dont agree with the plan because i think telling the mafia who is going to be shot gives them information they shouldnt have. I dont think the plan makes him scum though i think he is scummy because all he has talked about is the plan and a grack read which is based off pump


Why did we ever shoot this guy. He just gives us free town reads.

Mafia is onegu/rayn.

The real question is why did rayn make his vivax case talking about breshke but never mentioned onegu once? Who knows

He seems like he may be another one of my scum buddies.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9852 Posts
October 02 2017 00:33 GMT
#382
On October 02 2017 08:27 Koshi wrote:
I'll agree that Grack is mafia or is bamboozled by mafia and is helping them push their agenda though.

Either Rayn is a really good townie or a pretty shitty mafia.

I reread Rayn's filter and to me his play makes sense. For one thing he pointed out that Breshke was likely scum before he wrote about it in his Vivax case. But also his read is not nearly as TMI as it seems. His observation about Breshke claiming to be excited and then not playing was actually good rather than him just magically singling out a mafia lurker as being scummy.

Vivax being mafia makes a lot more sense. The way that he backed off of his read on me saying that I may just be a butthurt townie rather than mafia is not at all consistent with his town play. It seemed like appeasement rather than him actually being interested in my alignment. And his points against me were never good to begin with so that's not an argument he wants to have as scum after he almost got lynched yesterday.

Actually I'm very interested in what you see in Vivax because I can usually see when Vivax is very townie and he just isn't this game.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9852 Posts
October 02 2017 00:33 GMT
#383
##Vote: Vivax
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9852 Posts
October 02 2017 00:39 GMT
#384
Also there are other reasons to think that Rayn is town that I don't really wish to share.
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