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Tumblewood
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beentheredonethat
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So let's see if darthfoley is the last scum or if it's Tumble. | ||
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Koshi
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beentheredonethat
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It's funny because each of them can claim the very same about me and the respective other one. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
On April 16 2017 21:44 Koshi wrote: Hmm don't think darthfoley has been solving this game. I just read his filter and he never tries to push to clear somebody. Or pushes a good townread into the game. Try to convince people. Well I just don't agree with your analysis of my play. Every point against Calix I made you have claimed to be TMI, then accuse me of not trying to solve the game. How the fuck am I supposed to be town if you attribute everything to TMI? Not sure what you mean with the bold. I town read you and rayn but NOT Rels when other people were fine "clearing" him. I've never been sold on btdt being town, but i'm sold on TW being town, in a final 5, in which I need two mislynches to win. Makes a lot of sense. I was the major case on Shapelog and the main reason everyone ganged up on him. In retrospect, I was wrong, but the idea that I "haven't been trying to find mafia" is equally wrong. On April 08 2017 14:04 darthfoley wrote: Looked through Calix's filter and she only really interacted with rayn, Shapelog, Koshi and btdt. I think it's pretty unlikely rayn or koshi were SvS interactions. Shapelog and btdt are much more likely to have been attempts at SvS "interactions" trying to somewhat distance/put pressure on each other but not effective enough pressure to get lynched. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2017 22:37 Shapelog wrote: Alright, here where I stand with the conversation between Calix and BTDT. For Calix side, the following makes me think they are more town then scum when I look at this part. I personally think that if Calix was scum, they would of not posted this. It would make sense for Scum!Calix to keep on BTDT as to have a excuse to post, and also because of the what apparently happen with a misunderstanding last game. I do acknowledge that Calix could be backing off here as scum due to a lack of footing on BTDT, but I expect that they would keep on for later credit of being active D1 or even for being on BTDT/Ryan later on if either got into negative light. Moreover, BTDT was more in the mood of keeping the fight going on. Which would allow scum!calix to hide in what would prob. develop into a shitfight with BTDT for getting pass d1. However, I personally do not see anything I really like in calix's points. Some I dont really understand the way calix talks (I.E. calix posts kinda feel a bit circlejerking? If that makes sense, prob doesnt). Also, I do feel as there should be more from calix if they are town and though something about BTDT is scummy. I don't get the stance of "waiting to question you" at all either. But doesn't feel like calix is at the stage of mafia discrediting that is usually happening at this stage of the game hmmm. I will say that I would rank calix a bit above null into the town lean range b/c while I do not understand calix overall stance, I think the clear out looks more town then mafia in my eyes. Flipsid3, I think BTDT also displayed similar actions regarding koshi's meta point and not voting calix. His posts dont feel like he is being pressured in my eyes, and seems more of him trying to figure out calixs point while being mad at calix logic. One could state that he is being pretty agressive in a way, but I just chop it up to him as taking a stance at figuring out the game. Don't really have a issue with him right now. More towny then Calix and working his way up to a town lean I still think the spoilered is a terrible post, especially after her scum flip. Look at my filter for a more thorough explanation as to why it's bad in multiple ways. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2017 20:35 Calix wrote: "I find you GENERALLY scummy" is what I said. Found the problem. You're misinterpreting that as me specifically finding you scummy in this game when I was trying to say that I find your playstyle scummy. I hope that clears things up. This post also seems like an abrupt/unnatural end to the fight between btdt and Calix from Calix POV. I think it is a cop out to say "well I find your play style generally scummy" because it always gives the person an out to later retract real suspicion by using the excuse (which is kinda what Calix did) I think btdt pushed her back on it, but she was also starting to feel pressure from other people (me/rayn/koshi) and he may have concluded it looked too clean a break off to leave it there if it's SvS so he had to commit to some extra pressure I was the only person trying to interact with Shapelog and change the trajectory of the day when everyone else voted for him and fucked off. While basically everyone was content to just sit on their asses and vote off Shapelog (who became increasingly town as D2 went along), I was actively trying to figure shit out and move the game. I voted for btdt and all of a sudden he ran into the thread with these huge wall of texts that made no sense to write, just to say nothing. On April 10 2017 02:28 darthfoley wrote: Why do you need to write an essay just to not change who you're voting for? Why does that feel "weird?" What does "weird" even mean in this context? I've repeated over and over why btdt's play around Calix's lynch doesn't sit right with me. You can also look through Shapelog's filter at his case on btdt because he agreed with me. + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2017 05:25 Shapelog wrote: 1) Yes but its the timing of it and the way your doing it that is worrying me. And your doing it with easy targets if your mafia. That is my biggest issue with it. Mafia now has to plan out how the living hell to get 3 ML's and one Lylo (unless they are dumb and it gets blocked by SL again.) With who is alive rn, and who I currently suspect. I don't think any of the people with enough credibility (minus Darth maybe but see 3) ) to pull that off. So they cannot purely live based off that, so they must now start considering ways to make the rest of the sus. townies worse then them, while digging themselves out of "Shape is last mafia" read. 2) Your discrediting your own reasoning to see them as town tho. It be like saying "Ryan is town for what he did with calix etc." then saying "You shouldn't be putting that much stock into Ryan's interactions with calix." It doesn't make sense you posting to the thread the latter when your reads are first ""'s. 3) That came after the night result and SL claimed doc basically. You can check the post if you want to, but basically. I believe tumble is town based off calix. Koshi is town as well. SL I believe his claim, and prob. healed Ryan which confirms ryan. Even if he didn't, I still think ryan is town. I think darth is town, but not as much as everyone else just bc I lack enough to confirm him in my mind. Therefore, I am left with Rels or you being scum after the night flip. So I Highly believe scum is either between you two, with the off chance of it being darth (or maybe tumble if he doesn't do anything my day 3). 4) But then you posted what you did discrediting it imo. Which doesn't progress or help what you posted in the night at all with your reads. Touchee with the second paragraph 5) Bc i dont really believe your as ok with your vote as you made it out seem in your reply which strike me as odd. 6) Well i didn't know about you not fully rereading him. But still, I don't see you posting what you did if I am the only real sus person for you rn, even if you think you are wrong. If you have doubts, I would also suspect you if you thought that to start looking at other people again (which should of happen now in my mind since you were unsure earlier about me) Maybe this is just a POV and preference on the matter. I don't think we are going to get anywhere with this point in the long run. Tbh I think I have posted more content to shitpost ratio filled post this game then in like the last 3 games I have played. You have no idea how hard it is not to troll rn and claim scum as town. I was also the first person to point out the opportunistic voting situation of Rels and why that was scum motivated. On April 10 2017 02:37 darthfoley wrote: This read also makes no sense. 1) Rels piling on Calix, making it 4v2, clears him. 2) Rels voting on Tumble to make it 3-3 would've been scummy as fuck 3) So Rels is cleared because he didn't do the clearly "scummy as fuck" option 4) What would Rels gain by doing the clearly "scummy as fuck" option, if he were scum? 5) Even if you believe Rels would try to pull off the "too scummy to be scum" mind game, why would him voting Calix "clear him?" If you want to talk about TMI  Yes i've been wrong so far since D1 but so has everyone else. While others have sat around and been content with lynching Shapelog --> Rels, I was actively trying to find mafia. This line of reasoning that I "haven't done anything" is just so lazy and so false that it boggles the mind. I'm really disappointed that Koshi is drinking the Kool-Aid | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
On April 08 2017 18:36 beentheredonethat wrote: I think Rels piling on Calix, making it 4v2, clears him. Rels voting Tumble, making it 3-3 with others voting outside of it, would've been scummy as fuck. The reasoning behind this read is still absolute butt cheeks btw and makes no sense On April 08 2017 02:11 darthfoley wrote: I really don't understand your line of thinking. Stop being so woe is me dude. You aren't even the top vote getter ATM yet oh make it sound like you have 7 votes for you. I do think the wagons need to be more solidified though cuz 2-1-1-1-1 is fuckey Also still don't like how btdt played the pity card. Felt unnatural as shit and still does | ||
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darthfoley
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darthfoley
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darthfoley
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On April 17 2017 01:41 beentheredonethat wrote: df/Tumble. I don't care too much who it is right now as town wins as long as we lynch both. I'm fine with voting with Koshi however. So let's see if darthfoley is the last scum or if it's Tumble. So who are you voting for, and why? | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On April 17 2017 02:04 beentheredonethat wrote: Kill them both off and win. It's funny because each of them can claim the very same about me and the respective other one. then probably do more then just be happy withh a poe | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
On April 17 2017 02:58 sicklucker wrote: then probably do more then just be happy withh a poe this is what he's done all game. don't know why you're surprised | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
On April 16 2017 04:46 Tumblewood wrote: I guess it's df? I think? it still could be btdt I suppose but it doesn't make a whole lotta sense. one thing I've gotta ask: sl, Koshi, how did you know what the other was doing without a qt to coordinate it? like why did Koshi not yell about a fakeclaim? wait why does it make more sense for me to be mafia? | ||
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sicklucker
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sicklucker
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On April 17 2017 03:04 darthfoley wrote: wait why does it make more sense for me to be mafia? it does not from his reads thats what i was getting at | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On April 08 2017 14:08 darthfoley wrote: I also remember from playing with Calix in that one newbie game when we were scum together that she talked a lot post game about how she would have to do a better job interacting with her partner if she played in a "veteran" game like this. Which also points more towards Shapelog or btdt maybe thats what happened here. | ||
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sicklucker
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sicklucker
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darthfoley
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On April 17 2017 03:06 sicklucker wrote: i might go for beenthere. i just reread the saposed calix conversation that made him confirmed town via ryan and it just looks like spam. he never even votes him Outside of that I legit don't know what he's done or what he's pushed. On April 08 2017 03:04 beentheredonethat wrote: Switching to Calix feels like the easy choice though. Mainly because she isn't around I'm not a big fan. Policy lynch on Rels doesn't feel good, either. Or, we could consolidate on Tumblewood. On April 07 2017 20:26 beentheredonethat wrote: I have to admit that while I'm okay with a sicklucker lynch, I am fully aware it's more of a "I don't like this guy right now because what he's doing upsets me" thing and not based on a solid scum read. On April 09 2017 18:07 beentheredonethat wrote: Hi. voting shape seems to be the obvious thing. Worth a try but I am paranoid over Shape being town. There are some things in his filter that feel a lot like it and people might be tunneled. We're down to one scum, so we have 7 town votes and 1 scum votes. That means that the scum vote isn't that relevant anymore. I think Tumble might get too easy town credit. Yes I know that I give him town credit for the Calix/Tumble is unlikely stuff but it's not a full clear. Same goes for Rels, someone said that it would've been a big risk for scum!Rels to make the wagon 3-3 with a AFK Calix. but then again, a Rels/Calix scumteam feels weird given the level of afk'ness that both have/had. My main pain points on Shape are hedging and committing to the wrong wagon. But: he could've voted with Tumbe/Sicklucker as there was (imho) no way more people would pile on TW. I wasn't in thread and thread wasn't interested in Tumble. Maybe it's just town paranoia. My top townreads do vote for shape. So while I'm still paranoid, it's okay I guess. ##vote Shapelog These are just a few of the scummy posts in his filter. He seems okay with saying he doesn't agree with stuff (surprisingly they turn out to be town!) but does the stuff anyways | ||
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sicklucker
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