[M][N] Generic Mini Mafia

On March 14 2017 03:05 Damdred wrote:


Xata is scum cause of reasons

On March 17 2017 07:01 Eden1892 wrote:
We're in setup A

On March 17 2017 07:01 Calix wrote:
Cheaters prosper and all that malarkey.



You town this time?

On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote:
Hello my sexy people.

I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.

As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.

As for right now xata is scum.

##vote xatalos

On March 17 2017 07:29 Damdred wrote:



I think dinformation is taking out votes seriously even though there is a voting thread.

On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote:
Was expecting something better tbh.
Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"

On March 17 2017 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mrrrrglllll!!

On March 17 2017 07:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Mrfrrrr vrrrrr <3

On March 17 2017 07:34 disformation wrote:

who? eden or xata?

dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum.
xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset.

On March 17 2017 07:03 Xatalos wrote:
Does setup A mean:

Cop, Doc vs. Goon, Roleblocker, Framer ?

On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote:
Was expecting something better tbh.
Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"

On March 17 2017 07:42 disformation wrote:

Where did I say that Xat's response is more likely scum?
I said I read his filter with a "why could he be scum" mindset, to see where damdred could be coming from. -.-

On March 17 2017 07:44 disformation wrote:

wtf that smiley thing was damdy and I already explained what i got from the filter.

On March 17 2017 07:43 Damdred wrote:
Fuck I want to townread xata for us posting same things near each otger. But it's kinda lessens because it's about him.

Decisions decisions.

On March 17 2017 07:44 Koshi wrote:

pls gooby. pls.

fyi Bad Koshi >>>> Good Xatalos

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 17 2017 07:47 disformation wrote:

which questions?

On March 17 2017 07:49 Xatalos wrote:


Mainly just that I posted "huh" and "was this the claimed setup? X". Then you went on to say that I had made some far-reaching(?) conclusions about his alignment when I hadn't really said anything.........?

On March 17 2017 07:01 Eden1892 wrote:
We're in setup A

On March 17 2017 07:02 Xatalos wrote:


Huh...

On March 17 2017 07:03 Xatalos wrote:
Does setup A mean:

Cop, Doc vs. Goon, Roleblocker, Framer ?

On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote:
Was expecting something better tbh.
Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"

On March 17 2017 07:56 Calix wrote:


Okay, I'm starting to think you're mafia from your reactions here.

Nothing to do with what you're saying, really, it's more that you sound very tense and defensive and like you have a massive stick up your arse for no real reason once people started engaging with you.

It's a different vibe from what I get from Damdred and Xatalos who seem more chill and willing to get shit done.

##vote disformation

On March 17 2017 08:05 Damdred wrote:


Ok let me take a whack at it.

You summarize things about xata saying that Eden is either a blue or bsing.

Data didn't say either of those things. Why did you say them and where did you get them from.

On March 17 2017 08:26 DeepBlueSea89 wrote:

I'm a little confused by the voting system here. Why are people voting in thread when there's a separate thread specifically for voting? Am I supposed to vote in both threads?

On March 17 2017 08:41 Calix wrote:
FWIW I feel like this entire discussion is pure so I cannot be arsed to contribute much until something new happens.

It's not really based on filter-diving or whatever. I just feel like everyone who is talking right now is posting without an agenda and is just saying what they have so far and is being reasonable and helping the town.

So imo we shouldn't lynch among Xat/ DD/ Koshi/ Blue today.

Does this sound really premature? Maybe but that's my impressions of the 'atmosphere' of the game so far so I'm pretty confident here. Don't feel like the chat is very mafia-influenced right now.

If this doesn't make sense then ask away. I feel like a hippie right now xD

On March 17 2017 08:45 Koshi wrote:
disformation hasn't made a really bad post yet. Damdred made 2.

On March 17 2017 08:48 Calix wrote:


Who needs one really bad post when you can have a generally crappy overall filter?

Kinda surprised you haven't picked up on how incredibly defensive disformation was tbqh. His opening posts were blendy, then he segued into a hard-to-follow discussion, then reacted poorly to my 'questioning' and then fucked off.

I don't see how Damdred is comparable.

On March 17 2017 09:01 Koshi wrote:

Does anybody understands the logic?



Both bolded things look bad. I don't understand what the first sentence is about.
I dislike the wording on the read on Deepblue. Too many words. It's just bad.

Same with what pinged rayn. "I know what x did is wifom, what do you think?"

On March 17 2017 09:59 Damdred wrote:
Xata started as a gut read from his first playful banter. He generally as scum is pretty tense non fluid and kinda lacks much in the way of anything. I felt he was the opposite at the start, he flowed with the game thread was involved and tried to understand players.

I thought he looked town tbh.

Calix is a dick (lovable ) as town and is more free with the town reads. As scum hedges and is more middle of the road. Here really I involved even early trying to ferret out people. I liked it early and liked thebdickishness that was displayed towards koshi trying to get him to play.

Also for the record I think disf probably going to be town. Seems legit confused atvpoints, has time to back pedal and just explain and would get pressure off him but doesn't do it and just moved straight ahead. I still would like some explanation from him but yeahbi don't think scum woulddd play to bring that much attention to himself without trying to be it of him before he leaves. (Sorts bad read by hownibfeel)

On March 17 2017 11:29 Tumblewood wrote:

ik damdred likes town circles but come on this is too early to read vets
calix and deepblue are eh but who am i to criticize that. just xata/koshi/damdy/rayn are way too early to read

On March 17 2017 18:50 Koshi wrote:

Can you focus on other things? What about our 3 visitors?

On March 17 2017 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i'll stop because i don't like put 1 hr effort into my posts that could be written in 5 minutes.

First of all there is this:

Now the red part doesn't make any sense since the green part is the correct answer here. There is absolutely no reason to ask disformation WHAT he thinks of what Eden did. You either call him mafia for making something out of something NAI (which disformation didn't) or you realize it doesn't mean anything. If you want to ask something, you ask "why are you making something out of a thing that's completely not alignment indigative?".

Basically what Damdred did is he gave disformation a question where every answer disformation can possibly give is wrong. And that's not what townies do.


Also this is very much bs right here. He is either saying:
- DBS is a suspect because he hasn't posted for 12 hrs (which is jsut bullshit), or
- it's not actually alignment indicative (which makes the "read" bullshit)

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Second order of business is this post:

I have huge problems with the red parts in this post. Last game Malongo played he went straight to scumhunting. This game (which is also closer to his last scumgame here). The red flags are:
- There is no reason to call Darthfoley town just because he is calling Malongo mafia
- There is no reason to assume disformation and Damdred are town just because there are people voting for them

The same thing appears in Malongo's scumgame. He finds some NAI narrative that makes no sense at all and makes "reads" based on it. He isn't basically trying to find mafia. He is just talking nonsense.

The third thing that sticks out to me is Xatalos. There are a couple of problems in his posting:
- He thinks i am trolling (which he should know i never am), well not really trolling, he thought i wasn't saying anything when clearly i was in every single one of my posts
- I don't see any sort of direction in his posting, basically i don't understand what he is doing
- He has somehow come to a conclusion that everyone is scum/null reading me which is not true since only Malongo is "scum"reading me and Koshi is clearly townreading me

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Other than that:
DBS is quite clearly town
Koshi is town
Calix is most likely just over-eager town
I don't have any problems with disformation
I don't have any problems with Darthfoley
I don't have any problems with Tumblewood
Onegu is his basic non-entity-self
I somehow thought Eden could possibly be town for his opener but i am not sure why anymore. So idk about him.

On March 18 2017 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't. The last part makes no sense and is not a reason to "doubt" anyone.

The Tumble read is also bad (as you pointed it out now). There is nothing weird in saying "these people are too good to be read town early on for their posting". There is nothing wrong in that. There is nothing interesting in that, it doesn't mean anything since Tumble just pointed out (in case he is town - which i am quite sure he is) what he believes to be true, and it makes sense.

On March 18 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am not sure where he made up something, could you point me out to that?
Being defensive/tense has nothing to do with alignment.

On March 18 2017 01:02 disformation wrote:
kinda confused myself now. cause i made a pretty big/nice post trying to explain all that stuff earlier.

On March 18 2017 00:51 darthfoley wrote:


go right ahead and look!

On March 18 2017 00:47 Xatalos wrote:


>.>

On March 18 2017 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Disformation is not mafia. Even if what Xatalos says is right no mafia jsut straight up makes up shit on some random person at the start of the game.

On March 18 2017 01:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So disformation, explain this very concisely.
Why did you pull something out of thin air?

On March 18 2017 01:32 disformation wrote:

as I said I was trying to figure out why damdred could be scumreading xatalos.
the only thing that xatalos had was his reaction to the setup stuff from eden.
so i was like "well what could be scummy in that?"
thats what i came up with after following that line of thought.

On March 17 2017 10:18 Malongo wrote:

I think we are in the same team tbh. You quote still sucks anyways.

My general read is pretty weak at this point. I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy.

So I propose lynching Ryan. Not that I find him specially scummy but I don´t want to play with a troll for a second time.

##ryanpelikoneet

Everything else es just nonsense for me at this point.

On March 18 2017 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean this:

IS completely untrue unless he explains how i am doing wht he says i am.

On March 18 2017 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
youre twisting the obvious conclusion here.

On March 18 2017 03:49 Damdred wrote:
Idk what to do with rayn he's ignoring all of my posts but keeping the same conclusion.

For everyone else is what I'm saying making sense or am I just Looney?

On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical?

On March 19 2017 00:41 Damdred wrote:
Like I have only problems with df on this wagon.

1) Comes into the thread and blasts calix early and never really retracts from that. But is voting with 2/3 of his scum reads on his other scum read without really questioning the validity of the wagon I the people on the wagon.

2) Has very little talking points on mal in his filter that would indicate a scum read. I'm fact it seems likely basis for the read is actually rayns read. (Just as an aside I kinda said the same things about mal right after he posted but df kinda ignores this and scum reads me but puts rayn super high in his town list. I know he scum reads me for cordial interactions with calix which isbadreasoning but meh).

3) In his filter calix is his biggest read but just sheep's rayn instead of trying to push his read.

Like idk just kind of a weird filter and his vote on mal seems a bit... opportunistic at this point.

On March 19 2017 00:49 disformation wrote:
been mulling over tw vs mal, but its a bit bleh.
mal posting 0 reads looks more like scum giving up and not wanting to give town more info to me.

liked damdreds idea about looking at the ppl on the wagon. but i am pretty much cool with everyone on it. maybe should look at df's filter again.

not sure if i remember correct, but werent you on a scumteam with calix somewhat recently? i think damdred mentioned that calix doesnt look like in her last scum game. agree/disagree?

On March 19 2017 00:51 disformation wrote:

i think rayn's preferred lynch has been damdred for quite some time now?

On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:


Yeah, about that.



I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me.

And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case.

In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be.

@Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read?

On March 19 2017 00:59 Calix wrote:
Yeah, it was that Newbie game where we hardcore bussed Lunatic D1 and then we bumbled along, failing to kill the TPRs, before I turned into a whiny bitch and asked to concede

On March 19 2017 01:12 Calix wrote:


Sure, Eden's posts didn't consider my later interactions with disformation or anything else I've done but that's not necessarily AI if he just found my early play scummy.

I don't think Eden 'not doing much since there' means anything. He clearly put a sizable amount of effort into the posts he did make (outside of the bullshit claim stuff). In fact, all these 'well people haven't done much' posts don't mean a great deal right now. It's D1. If someone was amazing on D1 and then tanked overnight then using this sort of logic would make more sense but right now? Nah.



I have explained that already. I found disformation stuck out compared to everyone else because of his tone and voted him based on that. Given that it got shit going, I have no regrets there

I was actually AFK while all of that shit over disformation was going down yesterday but you wouldn't have known that. I said on several occasions that I would reconsider disformation if he started contributing on his own terms, which he did, so I unvoted when I got back. No point in hounding him much more at that point since it would just distract him if he is town, you know?

On March 19 2017 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is nothing "weak" in my case on Malongo especially if you go and read how he approaches games as town and mafia. This is not how he does it as town.

I am kinda waffling on Xatalos and Eden. I can't understand why Xatalos jsut calls me scum without actually calling me scum or even trying to interact me. Basically he is not touching my cases at all he just calls them bad and then says i can be scum for it but isn't sure (and again -- then does nothing with it). I am very sceptical he does that as town because it doesn't make any sense, especially for a player who is really interested in pushing a lynch on me if he thinks i am mafia.

I can't understand why Eden townreads me because he shouldn't as per what he writes.

On March 19 2017 03:01 Eden1892 wrote:
##UNVOTE

This firewall tanked my mafia time last night and this morning almost certainly going to be gone at EOD as well, wedding in ~3 hrs.

I think my case on Calix still has merit, but I can see no one was really interested, and I know I don't have time to push it through the more active players today, so I'm going to shelve it and make my vote more useful.


I disagree with your reads all the time lol. I've learned not to let that affect my read on you. My heuristics might be outdated, but when you're mafia you tend to be disproportionately forceful in tone compared to the strength of your argument. You'll push speculative reasons as though they were absolute fact and effectively bully-pulpit the thread and shove people into lining up behind you. When you're town, whether or not I agree with your direction in the thread, I at least get the sense that you're treating your arguments with the respect they deserve instead of demanding an undue amount of it from the other players.

I think your play this game has been much more in line with the town description than the mafia description. I bet you'll even agree. So even though I don't like your Malongo case or Xatalos scumread, I can still easily be comfortable calling you town.

As for Damdred, I didn't say that I don't think he's mafia, just that he didn't make an impression one way or another. I'm still not really prepared to say that he isn't, either. Just seems like he's said a lot of words and made a lot of posts, but very little has made a strong impression either way. I'll go and reread his filter and try to develop a more crystallized opinion of him for you though, since that's your wagon for today and I trust your motivations.

On March 19 2017 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP:

What you are debunking here i am not arguing is something that makes Damdred mafia so all you have said is you don't understand my case.


debunked?

On March 18 2017 03:33 Xatalos wrote:


rayn, you said that your suspicion of Malongo was based on this post and how he did these....

- There is no reason to call Darthfoley town just because he is calling Malongo mafia
- There is no reason to assume disformation and Damdred are town just because there are people voting for them

1) The way I read it, Malongo said that foley was town DESPITE calling him scum, not the other way around. How did you come to that conclusion? How does that even make sense?

2) Malongo didn't even say that they're town, just that he'd prefer to get alternative voting action?

All in all, it's just so.... weak. Almost as weak as the reads on Damdred/me. Is this really the best you got to push with apparent confidence?

On March 19 2017 03:33 Calix wrote:


Didn't he already explain his Damdred logic like, ten times when he was interacting with me earlier? I'd look at that.

I'd rather you explain YOUR Rayn scum-read better, actually.

On March 19 2017 03:37 Eden1892 wrote:

I didn't explain this well. When I say "force" I'm not referring to confidence - ray always has this in spades.
What I mean is that he tends as mafia to treat people like total morons if they dissent from him, whereas you can see here that he's not being degrading or demeaning toward people who disagree

On March 19 2017 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Damdred had an opinion of the Eden opening being NAI. Then he asked disformation something about it, when where every answer disformation can give leads to the same thing -> "scummy

Damdred already thought "Eden's opener is NAI" (which is what he said), he also though "dismormation thinks something about it" which means whatever disformation says he thinks of it SHOULD lead to same conclusion for Damdred.
- bad town ("no, it's NAI")
- scum ("no it's NAI")
- NAI ("but you already implied it means something?????")

Basically he should have a conclusion (whatever one) even before the question (and answer). The question cannot help you figure out disformation's alignment better so the only reason for the question is to be active and talk about something completely useless.

Like if i asked you "Xatalos do you prefer ice cream or ketchup better?" and implied "this is totally something that helps me figuring out your alignment" what would you think? Totes reasonable?

On March 19 2017 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If someone says this:

...they literally have to think both of the wagons are town otherwise this in itself doesn't make any fucking sense at all.

So there it is, you didn't really debunk anything.

On March 19 2017 03:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The problem is the post looks like it actually is something he finds relevant. It's not just some random throwaway question people can do at the start of the game. It's a very detailed question instead.

On March 19 2017 03:57 Calix wrote:


Dunno but this current discussion is sure unproductive. For Damdred, the best thing that he can do is to scum-hunt normally (which I think he's been doing tbh).

As for Rayn, harping on about a post where you essentially accuse someone of scum-slipping is unproductive after a certain point IMO. Since you think they slipped, they have no chance of persuading you otherwise and it just frustrates the accused player, regardless of alignment. And it won't persuade anyone new, as said.

So moving onto a different topic/ part of Damdred's posting/ whatever is a great idea for everyone involved!

On March 19 2017 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well then i don't have to say anything anymore today.

On March 19 2017 04:07 Calix wrote:
Xatalos, did you find the arguments for Tweedledumb's townieness unconvincing? Just wondering since you are still voting for him and I can't remember if you responded to those or not.

On March 19 2017 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Normally Damdred has some good reads (or at least really townie thought processes on reads). I don't see any of it here. Like he usually feels happy(?) that he finds townreads and here it's just some random lists of some people and asking if people disagree... It's just... unsmart.

On March 19 2017 04:13 darthfoley wrote:


That was my case, I believe.

On March 19 2017 04:15 Calix wrote:


Yeah I did but then Rayn made this town case and Tweedledumb responded with some paranoia on Rayn (the only person who really town-reads him) which looked townie to me. Pretty sure disformation picked up on it too.

As for your point about the stale wagon, I would be inclined to agree but none of today's wagons have 'picked up' really. Disformation's took a while to get going while Damdred's has been sitting with 2-3 votes all day. I don't think it means a lot.

If Malongo flips town then it becomes a lot more interesting though. But I don't see any reason in his posts to think that, he's been talked about a lot and he hasn't done anything. He's the superior lynch for today by miles.

On March 19 2017 04:21 Damdred wrote:
I don't get how I'm not saying smart things when rayn isbliterallyvrepeating what I say after I did about mal and picking up things about Eden and my scum read on him.

Holy shit and xata is agreeing with him and troops me to null. Is thisnliterally real fucking life.

At least df has a legit reason to come arte me sing I wan arte him and I was on his scum list.

Which btw df my reason for voting mal was calling me and disf town voting rayn without any real explanation. Which I said first.

I'm leaving because I can't even this thread right now.

On March 19 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote:


Hasn't he played on TL mafia before though? Correct me if i'm wrong, but he doesn't seem to be some noob who doesn't know what he's doing and gets overwhelmed. I think he may just have given up and is trying to save face. Although the fact that both Calix and Damdred are voting for him (thanks for the reminder Damdred!) makes me nervous as well

On March 19 2017 04:25 Calix wrote:


Unless you have some incredibly airtight evidence for a pre-flip association between raynpelikoneet and Tweedledumb, I don't care to consider this scenario.

On March 19 2017 04:30 darthfoley wrote:


I mean I have a few theories depending on Malongo's flip but they're all useless until he flips. I think Tumblewood did some stats a while back that said that D1 lynches are like 75% mislynches, and I would be prefer, if we are gonna be wrong, to be wrong on someone who isn't really playing the game, but has made some scummy points (rather than Rels or Onegu for example), than someone who is being more active and therefore creating more opportunities for contradictions/slip ups/evidence for the town to analyze later on.

On March 19 2017 06:35 darthfoley wrote:
Part of me is starting to sip the Xata kool aid that rayn's push on damdred seems off

super not passionate and only focusing on one exchange instead of trying to use the rest of his filter. Hmph

On March 19 2017 06:42 Calix wrote:


Not gonna lie, I kicked around the idea that we were dealing with a scum!rayn who was distancing from scum!Malongo while pushing a town wagon (Damdred) which would explain why he kept pushing Damdred on this one point so much.

But I don't think it holds up.

On March 19 2017 06:51 Tumblewood wrote:

you're probably right
at deadline I think I'll just switch to malongo because shenanigans are almost as scary as regular bad lynches

On March 19 2017 06:54 Tumblewood wrote:

noooo stop it I'm trying to break out of my bussing meta

On March 19 2017 06:55 Calix wrote:
CFDs hit scum? lol what blessed games have you been playing? XD

From my experience, they lead to a domino chain of unnecessary claims and drama. And a lot of unnecessary talk on whether the claims are real or not, yadda yadda yadda.

On March 19 2017 06:57 darthfoley wrote:


Very much agree. Like why even come back if you're okay but not okay but still okay with the primary lynch wagon

On March 19 2017 06:56 disformation wrote:

they can hit scum. i also have seen cfd kill blues, cause there was no time to claim.

On March 19 2017 08:05 Damdred wrote:
You always got for your scum read no matter how useful they are as town.

Who disagrees with this statement?

On March 19 2017 07:58 Tumblewood wrote:

rayn more or less spawned a wagon on malongo that picked up a lot of steam despite rayn himself not being on it and there being no convincing case. I mean, the guy had 10 posts to work with, none of which were egregiously bad.
vote logic points to rayn and two others on the wagon (I suspect koshi/damdred but it is no sure thing).
rayn was obviously waaaay overconfident on his scumreads. more so than I believe he would be as town.
BUT
the wagon on him would inevitably be a shenanny in an afk thread, and he was by far a more active and potentially useful (if town) player than malongo. losing him as town would fuck us over way more. [in retrospect, the wagon would have had to be composed of people who I trust, so I overblew that concern.]

this is why the choice was difficult the end

On March 19 2017 20:16 Calix wrote:
inb4 I get N1'd again.

On March 20 2017 02:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos is also mafia because not wanting to lynch me despite wanting to lynch me. If he was town and actually thought i was mafia he would have tried to actually lynch me. So there is that too.

Nothing new to say about Damdred.

On March 20 2017 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:

See i am not calling people mafia for "hypocrisy".
You were literally okay for switching into me or Tumble and then you said "even if Malongo is town rayn and Tumble are likely to be mafia" so in your mind you SHOULD think me and Tumble are both more likely to be mafia than Malongo is.

On March 20 2017 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So you were doing the same thing you're calling me scum for?

Yeah i was always okay with Malongo lynch.

On March 20 2017 03:28 ritoky wrote:
hmmmm i clicked xata's filter and maybe i mixed him with sum1. i just woke up. i thought he was the super agreeable dude.

On March 20 2017 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i think it's pretty easy to tell from my posts which lynches am i okay with and which not. If there are two people who are almost definitely scum in my mind i couldn't care less which one is lynched.

You on the other hand had me/tumble/malongo, and just sat on the malongo wagon while silently implying you would be okay with other things too when it was fucking impossible even 2 out of those three are mafia together in the first place.

On March 20 2017 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That's fucking bullshit. He hadd this "idea" in his head for fucking hours and he tries to do something like this in the last fucking 15 minutes?!?!!?!?

Do you wanna guess what happens if he really tries to lynch me and i get lynched?

Do you wanna guess in which "position" he puts himself if Malongo gets lynched and flips town?

Talking about scum agenda right here... I totally forgot Tumble didn't want to switch to me so Tumble is 100000% town and Xata is now pushing two townies and has for the whole game.

On March 20 2017 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If you can't understand the difference between:
- "I have 2 very sure scumreads and both of them are leading wagons"
- "I have 3 scumreads which cannot be scum together in the first place and i don't fight against the lynch of the one i actually don't really think i scum"

..then i don't know what to say.

On March 20 2017 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Don't care you're scum.

On March 20 2017 03:44 disformation wrote:

quick chime in:
I am actually pretty cool with the bolded, as I think that can very well come from a town mindset.
there might be a problem in your interactions with damdred (which is at least what damdred is on about imo), but I havent gotten the time to double check myself.

On March 20 2017 03:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because if i am mafia i never make cases like that on my scumbuddies. I just don't have to because noone will never understand me anyways so i am just hopping on some retarded things i don't actually believe make people mafia but other people will. Like ritoky's case on Eden is a super good example of this. "wow looks so good super duper fucking 100% townread on him" when actually there is nothing behind the case except for a touch on the surface.

Tumble is never scum with me. Well Tumble is never scum, because if he was he would have been totally okay with lynching me (especailly if he was scum with Malongo).

But i will stop responding now. I don't care. You're mafia.
Try to lynch me, i guarantee you are lynched next because everyone can see how you're calling 2 townies mafia and doing nothing else. After either me or Tumble flip your D1 looks ridiculous. ^^

On March 20 2017 03:51 Onegu wrote:
IRL reasons. May replace if things dont get better in the next 3 hours or so.

Rayn and DBS/Ritoky=Scum

On March 20 2017 03:54 Damdred wrote:


This is me being serious rayn tumble wanted to lynchbyouball day, and wanted to lynch you/me or his townread at eod.

Please look at it cause you aren't putting it right in your posts and drawing faulty conclusions

On March 20 2017 03:56 Damdred wrote:
To scum la me xata and you into lylo so I can bit him off in repayment for arnie for a gun.

I ty

On March 20 2017 03:57 disformation wrote:
huh?

On March 20 2017 04:00 darthfoley wrote:


Why is rayn town and Xata null and Damdred "good" when the majority of rayn's interactions today have been revolving around Xata/Damdred. If you think rayn is making good posts, and many of his posts have been about Xata AND Damdred, then surely you would seem to think Xata and/or Damdred is more likely to be scum, no? But you have Damdred and rayn as both "good posts" and Xata "null posts." How good can rayns posts be if they're all wrong, according to your reads?

You can add yourself to the "bad posts" section because your categories are ass. Good posts and bad posts have nothing to do with alignment, especially when you're playing with veteran mafia players who are good at both alignments. I find this post scummy

On March 20 2017 04:00 Damdred wrote:


I just want to vote you off in lylo in repayment xata is that so bad ^-^

On March 20 2017 04:05 Calix wrote:
To answer your earlier question, DF, I think both of the Finnish people are town. Rayn looks like he's dropped his flashlight while stuck in a tunnel and Xatalos held his ground better than I'd figure he would as scum. Want to reread it later just to be sure though.

On March 20 2017 04:14 ritoky wrote:


? I mean we must play a different game. Just because someone orients the game as black vs white, doesn't mean the game is actually black vs white. You're implying that because someone is tunneling, the tunneler and the tunneled must be opposite alignments. More often than not they aren't. Further, being right is also not a requirement for being town, there exists this thing and it is called a donkey, please ask Koshi about it he is abundantly familiar.

Once you get away from the realm of right vs wrong and black vs white, and stop trying to render the game into a state of binary decision making, you arrive at a place where you can judge peoples' process. Process and intent are vastly more important than people's actual conclusions much of the time, and that is what matters. I see the town process in rayn when he rails on 1 point for hours and tries to drive discussion back to his point that he views as unimpeachably scummy, I see his process when he tries to scum check me to get a reaction. These are town processes for him, which make his posts good. You look at damdred and, he unprompted, makes a poignant observation and asks an extremely pointed question at tumble and then pushes when the answer is unsatisfactory. Once again I see the process, the desire for more information and to drive the game forward in the direction he thinks is right.

You have to remember that you've been playing this game for 36 hours and have 50 pages, I have been playing for like 10 and have 5 pages, so my opinions have not had the cultivating of others' opinions. However, my categories are fine. Because people making bad posts are a good place to begin looking for me. I used to be quite skilled at reading people who post bad shit, so I likely still am. Some of the terrible posters will likely become my top town reads who I will never vote on soon.

On March 20 2017 04:24 Calix wrote:


It doesn't matters how many townies someone pushes. Townies can be very wrong. Townies can scum-read three townies for days on end. It's more how they do it, really.

The part where he totally ignores facts that don't fit his narrative is more concerning but I don't think that means he's really 'trying to ML you as scum' because he would have to know that people would pick up on him doing that and thus think he's less credible and persuasive.

On March 20 2017 05:16 Koshi wrote:
K finally home. Somebody catch me up / talk to me.

On March 20 2017 05:20 disformation wrote:
hmmmm. I know I had that problem as scum before. like fear of being on the "wrong" wagon.
but yeah if rayn are town and mal are town I as scum!tw probably wouldnt give a flying fuck?
like if the wagons where close and he had to decide it would make more sense to be nervous then...

still dont fully understand why he posted that though... xD

On March 20 2017 05:21 Calix wrote:
Xatalos, just focus on actually getting ONE mafia lynched first pls. Your pre-flips make me relate to baby killers.

On March 20 2017 05:22 Koshi wrote:

Can somebody explain to me what this meant?

On March 20 2017 05:25 Calix wrote:
And yes, I don't understand how the concept of "townies under pressure are usually not logical" is just clicking with you two now

Anyway, have I made myself clear? I feel dirty from defending someone for so long, ugh.

On March 20 2017 05:28 Damdred wrote:

I would like to point out you guys aretalking about giving someone a free pass tommorow for being jumpy from one wagon to the next.

Even though he didn't start doing that until he got called out for the shot he was doing with his townread.

LikeI he was doing it before I called him out we would be cool. But he didnt.

On March 20 2017 05:37 Koshi wrote:

They are not calling you scum for that alone. It's because you don't care who out of Damdred/Malango got lynched and just said: "fuck it, they are both 100% mafia". And you are the only one in the game that feels that.

On March 20 2017 05:46 Koshi wrote:

This is probably a misrepresentation.

On March 20 2017 06:17 Koshi wrote:

This is a good indicator why rayn is mafia. When he is town and he really found mafia. He keeps repeating his list of why that person is mafia. And when that person shows face aganin, he adds it to the list. But in this game, his list doesn't grow, it just stays the same while his mafia target keeps doing things.