[M][N] Generic Mini Mafia - Page 37

On March 19 2017 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Examples of Onegu thigs:
- Replace into a game as mafia and use all the time you have to make a case on a confirmed town
- Make a video post of your reads and say "the only other time i have done this as mafia is ..."

Yeah, noone does those things as mafia. Except Onegu does.

On March 19 2017 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Actually this isn't as good as i first thought it looks. There are nothing but speculative reasons in mafia especially in D1 and i always push my reasoning as a fact regardless of alignment because i don't see why i (or anyone) should trust a read the person in themselves doesn't even look like balieving on.

On March 19 2017 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am fine withthat as for now. Although i don't know what i would do as mafia since when i started playing again (in my finished games) i haven't been mafia and i don't really care about driving conversation. I just dump down my reads and then people believe it or not and i don't care.

All in all my townplay now is very different from what it used to be let's say 2yrs ago.

On March 19 2017 03:21 Eden1892 wrote:

so wait, are you telling me that my heuristics are outdated and probably useless now due to a long break?

On March 19 2017 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you name the games so i can see it for myself.

On March 19 2017 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is nothing "weak" in my case on Malongo especially if you go and read how he approaches games as town and mafia. This is not how he does it as town.

I am kinda waffling on Xatalos and Eden. I can't understand why Xatalos jsut calls me scum without actually calling me scum or even trying to interact me. Basically he is not touching my cases at all he just calls them bad and then says i can be scum for it but isn't sure (and again -- then does nothing with it). I am very sceptical he does that as town because it doesn't make any sense, especially for a player who is really interested in pushing a lynch on me if he thinks i am mafia.

I can't understand why Eden townreads me because he shouldn't as per what he writes.

On March 19 2017 03:26 Xatalos wrote:


I've made at least a couple of posts debunking your cases.

2) On second thoughts, the Malongo part isn't that bad. Just not strong/convincing.

1) The Damdred part is very weak. First of all, it's a bit too much to say that Eden's opening was obviously 100% NAI. In addition, even if it was 100% NAI, it's not a scummy thing to ask people for opinions on a sudden "big event". Their reaction could be possibly more significant than the event itself. Especially if there isn't much else to talk about yet.

2) On second thoughts, the Malongo part isn't that bad. Just not strong/convincing.

On March 19 2017 03:01 Eden1892 wrote:
##UNVOTE

This firewall tanked my mafia time last night and this morning almost certainly going to be gone at EOD as well, wedding in ~3 hrs.

I think my case on Calix still has merit, but I can see no one was really interested, and I know I don't have time to push it through the more active players today, so I'm going to shelve it and make my vote more useful.


I disagree with your reads all the time lol. I've learned not to let that affect my read on you. My heuristics might be outdated, but when you're mafia you tend to be disproportionately forceful in tone compared to the strength of your argument. You'll push speculative reasons as though they were absolute fact and effectively bully-pulpit the thread and shove people into lining up behind you. When you're town, whether or not I agree with your direction in the thread, I at least get the sense that you're treating your arguments with the respect they deserve instead of demanding an undue amount of it from the other players.

I think your play this game has been much more in line with the town description than the mafia description. I bet you'll even agree. So even though I don't like your Malongo case or Xatalos scumread, I can still easily be comfortable calling you town.

As for Damdred, I didn't say that I don't think he's mafia, just that he didn't make an impression one way or another. I'm still not really prepared to say that he isn't, either. Just seems like he's said a lot of words and made a lot of posts, but very little has made a strong impression either way. I'll go and reread his filter and try to develop a more crystallized opinion of him for you though, since that's your wagon for today and I trust your motivations.

On March 19 2017 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP:

What you are debunking here i am not arguing is something that makes Damdred mafia so all you have said is you don't understand my case.


debunked?

On March 18 2017 03:33 Xatalos wrote:


rayn, you said that your suspicion of Malongo was based on this post and how he did these....

- There is no reason to call Darthfoley town just because he is calling Malongo mafia
- There is no reason to assume disformation and Damdred are town just because there are people voting for them

1) The way I read it, Malongo said that foley was town DESPITE calling him scum, not the other way around. How did you come to that conclusion? How does that even make sense?

2) Malongo didn't even say that they're town, just that he'd prefer to get alternative voting action?

All in all, it's just so.... weak. Almost as weak as the reads on Damdred/me. Is this really the best you got to push with apparent confidence?

On March 19 2017 03:32 Xatalos wrote:


Please explain your Damdred case better then.

I went on to be more critical of your Malongo case later on. I can find that post for you if you want....

On March 19 2017 03:33 Calix wrote:


Didn't he already explain his Damdred logic like, ten times when he was interacting with me earlier? I'd look at that.

I'd rather you explain YOUR Rayn scum-read better, actually.

On March 19 2017 03:30 Xatalos wrote:


I can kind of agree with how you're metaing rayn - but are you sure about the conclusion that he's giving his reads the "appropriate amount of force"? To me it's felt like he's pushed them with a little too much confidence compared to their strengths.