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On March 19 2017 02:46 Tumblewood wrote:
my trust of rayn has gone down to 1% since yesterday
his pushes just make me uncomfortable. especially the part where he calls malongo scum (which i am still really not seeing?) and even without him on the wagon it gets 5 votes. something is up
plus i see him winning this argument with onegu all of a sudden and ugh i need to go but it is all sorts of bad i am voting and then i am outie outie
trust me on this one. but maybe not too much
No one wins a argument with onegu...
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Tumblewood is lost in translation.. 
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1. Scum Lurk.
5. Koshi sees im Lurking
4.Im doing this and normally scum do this but im not scum.
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On March 19 2017 02:51 Onegu wrote:
1. Scum Lurk.
5. Koshi sees im Lurking
4.Im doing this and normally scum do this but im not scum.
Yeah it doesn't make him scum because noone says that as scum.
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yo. It's possible I won't be caught up for deadline. Beginning to read but there is a good chance I'll just have to sheep someone.
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On March 19 2017 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 02:51 Onegu wrote:
1. Scum Lurk.
5. Koshi sees im Lurking
4.Im doing this and normally scum do this but im not scum.
Yeah it doesn't make him scum because noone says that as scum.
Sure they do. It takes pressure off of them because you give bad answers to questions that arent asked yet so that they arent asked.
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hmmmm. i'm cool with rayn's read on tw.
tw being suspicious as hell of one of the few ppl to have a tr on him, also kinda makes him more town imo.
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wait, wat?
tw is voting rayn together with mal? da fuq? Oo
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tw can you please explain your malongo tr?
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On March 19 2017 02:55 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2017 02:51 Onegu wrote:
1. Scum Lurk.
5. Koshi sees im Lurking
4.Im doing this and normally scum do this but im not scum.
Yeah it doesn't make him scum because noone says that as scum. Sure they do. It takes pressure off of them because you give bad answers to questions that arent asked yet so that they arent asked.
I am sorry i lied a little. Yes, you do that. Noone else does.
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On March 19 2017 02:56 disformation wrote:
hmmmm. i'm cool with rayn's read on tw.
tw being suspicious as hell of one of the few ppl to have a tr on him, also kinda makes him more town imo.
Agreed on the last point especially.
Dunno what to make of Onegu right now. He's made a strong stance but I'm not convinced. I can maybe see a point for Blue being overly self-aware if I squint through a shot glass but that's not scummy by itself. An incidental tell to support a larger case at best.
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##UNVOTE
This firewall tanked my mafia time last night and this morning almost certainly going to be gone at EOD as well, wedding in ~3 hrs.
I think my case on Calix still has merit, but I can see no one was really interested, and I know I don't have time to push it through the more active players today, so I'm going to shelve it and make my vote more useful.
On March 19 2017 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 05:15 Eden1892 wrote:On March 18 2017 05:10 Calix wrote:On March 18 2017 04:57 Eden1892 wrote:On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote:
I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting. Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi. Top scum is Calix. Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame. I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well: On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote:
Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come. 1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read 2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads 3) "look how much work i already did" if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway. That's about all I got that I think matters right now. If you're already using pre-flip associations and getting tunnel vision re: me before anyone has even flipped then your reads are going to be so off it's not even funny. What do you actually think of Malongo himself? Why exactly he is null to you? Why wouldn't he be null? This is a weird concept, since people are null by default, but here goes. He's null because he hasn't done anything relevant or important yet. He said something interesting about not liking the speed at which Damdred and disformation wagons grew. I like these kinds of observations, all else equal, but he didn't do anything with it and his vote on ray had no serious motivation behind it. So the sum of his actions is... nothing. He made a potentially interesting observation and did nothing to make it actually interesting. He voted for some guy for no particular reason. It's a bunch of air. Null. Like if Eden says this he literally must think my case is crap because my case on Malongo is based on something he found slightly townie. He doesn't think Damdred (who i am voting for) is mafia. Xatalos (who was and is my third scumread) is his top townread. Why am i town in Eden's eys? That's basically everything i have done in this game, called these three people out.
I disagree with your reads all the time lol. I've learned not to let that affect my read on you. My heuristics might be outdated, but when you're mafia you tend to be disproportionately forceful in tone compared to the strength of your argument. You'll push speculative reasons as though they were absolute fact and effectively bully-pulpit the thread and shove people into lining up behind you. When you're town, whether or not I agree with your direction in the thread, I at least get the sense that you're treating your arguments with the respect they deserve instead of demanding an undue amount of it from the other players.
I think your play this game has been much more in line with the town description than the mafia description. I bet you'll even agree. So even though I don't like your Malongo case or Xatalos scumread, I can still easily be comfortable calling you town.
As for Damdred, I didn't say that I don't think he's mafia, just that he didn't make an impression one way or another. I'm still not really prepared to say that he isn't, either. Just seems like he's said a lot of words and made a lot of posts, but very little has made a strong impression either way. I'll go and reread his filter and try to develop a more crystallized opinion of him for you though, since that's your wagon for today and I trust your motivations.
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People I wouldn't lynch today:
disformation
Koshi
rayn
Xatalos
Eden
That list is way shorter than I thought. No bueno
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I am fine withthat as for now. Although i don't know what i would do as mafia since when i started playing again (in my finished games) i haven't been mafia and i don't really care about driving conversation. I just dump down my reads and then people believe it or not and i don't care.
All in all my townplay now is very different from what it used to be let's say 2yrs ago.
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On March 19 2017 03:01 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 02:56 disformation wrote:
hmmmm. i'm cool with rayn's read on tw.
tw being suspicious as hell of one of the few ppl to have a tr on him, also kinda makes him more town imo. Agreed on the last point especially. Dunno what to make of Onegu right now. He's made a strong stance but I'm not convinced. I can maybe see a point for Blue being overly self-aware if I squint through a shot glass but that's not scummy by itself. An incidental tell to support a larger case at best.
dunno. it is an interesting find and a very onegu thing to pick that up/point that out. just help me too much with figuring onegs alignment out. xD
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You'll push speculative reasons as though they were absolute fact..
Actually this isn't as good as i first thought it looks. There are nothing but speculative reasons in mafia especially in D1 and i always push my reasoning as a fact regardless of alignment because i don't see why i (or anyone) should trust a read the person in themselves doesn't even look like balieving on.
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On March 19 2017 03:08 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 03:01 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 02:56 disformation wrote:
hmmmm. i'm cool with rayn's read on tw.
tw being suspicious as hell of one of the few ppl to have a tr on him, also kinda makes him more town imo. Agreed on the last point especially. Dunno what to make of Onegu right now. He's made a strong stance but I'm not convinced. I can maybe see a point for Blue being overly self-aware if I squint through a shot glass but that's not scummy by itself. An incidental tell to support a larger case at best. dunno. it is an interesting find and a very onegu thing to pick that up/point that out. just help me too much with figuring onegs alignment out. xD
As I've only played with Onegu once before, can you explain what you mean by 'a very Onegu thing'? lol
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On March 19 2017 03:12 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 03:08 disformation wrote:On March 19 2017 03:01 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 02:56 disformation wrote:
hmmmm. i'm cool with rayn's read on tw.
tw being suspicious as hell of one of the few ppl to have a tr on him, also kinda makes him more town imo. Agreed on the last point especially. Dunno what to make of Onegu right now. He's made a strong stance but I'm not convinced. I can maybe see a point for Blue being overly self-aware if I squint through a shot glass but that's not scummy by itself. An incidental tell to support a larger case at best. dunno. it is an interesting find and a very onegu thing to pick that up/point that out. just help me too much with figuring onegs alignment out. xD As I've only played with Onegu once before, can you explain what you mean by 'a very Onegu thing'? lol
not that easy to explain. oneg loves to change up his meta and doing the "unreadable" thing on purpose.
but he loves picking up on scumslips and weird wordings like that. so it strikes me as a very onegu thing to do.
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so I guess i can with confidence say that oneg didnt give his account to someone else. xD
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EPT
