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On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read?
Yeah, a lot of what Eden did content wise was a rehash that made him look more active,while the answers were in thread already.
The time was more accusatory rather than inquisitive and his case felt more like throw everything I can and we what sticks people run on.
Then throws a vote down without really a ton I interaction a lot of the other reads are easily escapable from not really firm. And hasn't done much since, and doesn't really seem to care about pushing to case even right after he made it.
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On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read?
Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter.
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On March 19 2017 00:59 Calix wrote:Yeah, it was that Newbie game where we hardcore bussed Lunatic D1 and then we bumbled along, failing to kill the TPRs, before I turned into a whiny bitch and asked to concede 
Ohhh yeah, it was that game.
Haha... somehow mixed your name with someone else.
Can't really remember much of the details in that game though. Should probably recheck a bit.
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Hm yeah. Calix was quite active and (appeared) helpful as scum too. But... can't really say I'm an expect of her meta, even though we played that game together. Can't remember the details very well anymore.
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On March 19 2017 01:02 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Yeah, a lot of what Eden did content wise was a rehash that made him look more active,while the answers were in thread already. The time was more accusatory rather than inquisitive and his case felt more like throw everything I can and we what sticks people run on. Then throws a vote down without really a ton I interaction a lot of the other reads are easily escapable from not really firm. And hasn't done much since, and doesn't really seem to care about pushing to case even right after he made it.
Sure, Eden's posts didn't consider my later interactions with disformation or anything else I've done but that's not necessarily AI if he just found my early play scummy.
I don't think Eden 'not doing much since there' means anything. He clearly put a sizable amount of effort into the posts he did make (outside of the bullshit claim stuff). In fact, all these 'well people haven't done much' posts don't mean a great deal right now. It's D1. If someone was amazing on D1 and then tanked overnight then using this sort of logic would make more sense but right now? Nah.
On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter.
I have explained that already. I found disformation stuck out compared to everyone else because of his tone and voted him based on that. Given that it got shit going, I have no regrets there
I was actually AFK while all of that shit over disformation was going down yesterday but you wouldn't have known that. I said on several occasions that I would reconsider disformation if he started contributing on his own terms, which he did, so I unvoted when I got back. No point in hounding him much more at that point since it would just distract him if he is town, you know?
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Eden1892 why am i one of your top town's since so far i have made a case that is in your opinion terrible and another case on a player you don't think is mafia, and a third on on your top town?
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On March 19 2017 01:12 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 01:02 Damdred wrote:On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Yeah, a lot of what Eden did content wise was a rehash that made him look more active,while the answers were in thread already. The time was more accusatory rather than inquisitive and his case felt more like throw everything I can and we what sticks people run on. Then throws a vote down without really a ton I interaction a lot of the other reads are easily escapable from not really firm. And hasn't done much since, and doesn't really seem to care about pushing to case even right after he made it. Sure, Eden's posts didn't consider my later interactions with disformation or anything else I've done but that's not necessarily AI if he just found my early play scummy. I don't think Eden 'not doing much since there' means anything. He clearly put a sizable amount of effort into the posts he did make (outside of the bullshit claim stuff). In fact, all these 'well people haven't done much' posts don't mean a great deal right now. It's D1. If someone was amazing on D1 and then tanked overnight then using this sort of logic would make more sense but right now? Nah. Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter. I have explained that already. I found disformation stuck out compared to everyone else because of his tone and voted him based on that. Given that it got shit going, I have no regrets there I was actually AFK while all of that shit over disformation was going down yesterday but you wouldn't have known that. I said on several occasions that I would reconsider disformation if he started contributing on his own terms, which he did, so I unvoted when I got back. No point in hounding him much more at that point since it would just distract him if he is town, you know?
Hm yeah, I guess so. Still it seemed a bit fast how you dropped it even though you had added a couple of other reasons to scumread him during that and your scumread seemed to be getting stronger until it suddenly disappeared? Dunno. I'm not lunching you at this point regardless 
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On March 19 2017 00:41 Damdred wrote:
Like I have only problems with df on this wagon.
1) Comes into the thread and blasts calix early and never really retracts from that. But is voting with 2/3 of his scum reads on his other scum read without really questioning the validity of the wagon I the people on the wagon.
2) Has very little talking points on mal in his filter that would indicate a scum read. I'm fact it seems likely basis for the read is actually rayns read. (Just as an aside I kinda said the same things about mal right after he posted but df kinda ignores this and scum reads me but puts rayn super high in his town list. I know he scum reads me for cordial interactions with calix which isbadreasoning but meh).
3) In his filter calix is his biggest read but just sheep's rayn instead of trying to push his read.
Like idk just kind of a weird filter and his vote on mal seems a bit... opportunistic at this point.
I was the first person to vote on Malongo, and that was more of a placeholder vote until the game progressed. Believe me, I am well aware of who is voting on this wagon. I also had my own reasoning for voting for Malongo, not just rayn's.
Explain to me how being the first vote on someone i've cased (albeit a small case, because his filter is small) is opportunistic. Actually, you only having problems with me on this wagon is scummy as fuck considering the circumstances
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On March 19 2017 01:27 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 01:12 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 01:02 Damdred wrote:On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Yeah, a lot of what Eden did content wise was a rehash that made him look more active,while the answers were in thread already. The time was more accusatory rather than inquisitive and his case felt more like throw everything I can and we what sticks people run on. Then throws a vote down without really a ton I interaction a lot of the other reads are easily escapable from not really firm. And hasn't done much since, and doesn't really seem to care about pushing to case even right after he made it. Sure, Eden's posts didn't consider my later interactions with disformation or anything else I've done but that's not necessarily AI if he just found my early play scummy. I don't think Eden 'not doing much since there' means anything. He clearly put a sizable amount of effort into the posts he did make (outside of the bullshit claim stuff). In fact, all these 'well people haven't done much' posts don't mean a great deal right now. It's D1. If someone was amazing on D1 and then tanked overnight then using this sort of logic would make more sense but right now? Nah. On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter. I have explained that already. I found disformation stuck out compared to everyone else because of his tone and voted him based on that. Given that it got shit going, I have no regrets there I was actually AFK while all of that shit over disformation was going down yesterday but you wouldn't have known that. I said on several occasions that I would reconsider disformation if he started contributing on his own terms, which he did, so I unvoted when I got back. No point in hounding him much more at that point since it would just distract him if he is town, you know? Hm yeah, I guess so. Still it seemed a bit fast how you dropped it even though you had added a couple of other reasons to scumread him during that and your scumread seemed to be getting stronger until it suddenly disappeared? Dunno. I'm not lunching you at this point regardless
I maintain that it only seems that way since I didn't bother to explain my reasoning in full when I unvoted P:
And I don't particularly care if you want me lynched right now or not. I'd just rather clear up shit now - while it's still relatively quiet and chill - as opposed to repeating this conversation later in the game. So unless you have any other questions, I'll be ending this chit-chat.
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On March 19 2017 01:12 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 01:02 Damdred wrote:On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Yeah, a lot of what Eden did content wise was a rehash that made him look more active,while the answers were in thread already. The time was more accusatory rather than inquisitive and his case felt more like throw everything I can and we what sticks people run on. Then throws a vote down without really a ton I interaction a lot of the other reads are easily escapable from not really firm. And hasn't done much since, and doesn't really seem to care about pushing to case even right after he made it. Sure, Eden's posts didn't consider my later interactions with disformation or anything else I've done but that's not necessarily AI if he just found my early play scummy. I don't think Eden 'not doing much since there' means anything. He clearly put a sizable amount of effort into the posts he did make (outside of the bullshit claim stuff). In fact, all these 'well people haven't done much' posts don't mean a great deal right now. It's D1. If someone was amazing on D1 and then tanked overnight then using this sort of logic would make more sense but right now? Nah. Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter. I have explained that already. I found disformation stuck out compared to everyone else because of his tone and voted him based on that. Given that it got shit going, I have no regrets there I was actually AFK while all of that shit over disformation was going down yesterday but you wouldn't have known that. I said on several occasions that I would reconsider disformation if he started contributing on his own terms, which he did, so I unvoted when I got back. No point in hounding him much more at that point since it would just distract him if he is town, you know?
Let me rephrase, the not doing anything.
Eden isn't being proactive in how he reads the thread and just cares about how he looks like I is doing somrthing. He throws his vote down without any real interaction towards others in the thread that could away the vote towards his target.
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On March 19 2017 01:30 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 00:41 Damdred wrote:
Like I have only problems with df on this wagon.
1) Comes into the thread and blasts calix early and never really retracts from that. But is voting with 2/3 of his scum reads on his other scum read without really questioning the validity of the wagon I the people on the wagon.
2) Has very little talking points on mal in his filter that would indicate a scum read. I'm fact it seems likely basis for the read is actually rayns read. (Just as an aside I kinda said the same things about mal right after he posted but df kinda ignores this and scum reads me but puts rayn super high in his town list. I know he scum reads me for cordial interactions with calix which isbadreasoning but meh).
3) In his filter calix is his biggest read but just sheep's rayn instead of trying to push his read.
Like idk just kind of a weird filter and his vote on mal seems a bit... opportunistic at this point. I was the first person to vote on Malongo, and that was more of a placeholder vote until the game progressed. Believe me, I am well aware of who is voting on this wagon. I also had my own reasoning for voting for Malongo, not just rayn's. Explain to me how being the first vote on someone i've cased (albeit a small case, because his filter is small) is opportunistic. Actually, you only having problems with me on this wagon is scummy as fuck considering the circumstances
How I it scummy as fuck, when I have documented town reads on the people on wagon?
It's opportunistic because it follows directly after you agree with rayns point about mal, it much just v bad timing on your part sonit doesn't come across as a placeholder.
And saying you cases someone and that's most of why you votes them doesn't jive with the placeholder theory.
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On March 19 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 01:30 darthfoley wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Damdred wrote:
Like I have only problems with df on this wagon.
1) Comes into the thread and blasts calix early and never really retracts from that. But is voting with 2/3 of his scum reads on his other scum read without really questioning the validity of the wagon I the people on the wagon.
2) Has very little talking points on mal in his filter that would indicate a scum read. I'm fact it seems likely basis for the read is actually rayns read. (Just as an aside I kinda said the same things about mal right after he posted but df kinda ignores this and scum reads me but puts rayn super high in his town list. I know he scum reads me for cordial interactions with calix which isbadreasoning but meh).
3) In his filter calix is his biggest read but just sheep's rayn instead of trying to push his read.
Like idk just kind of a weird filter and his vote on mal seems a bit... opportunistic at this point. I was the first person to vote on Malongo, and that was more of a placeholder vote until the game progressed. Believe me, I am well aware of who is voting on this wagon. I also had my own reasoning for voting for Malongo, not just rayn's. Explain to me how being the first vote on someone i've cased (albeit a small case, because his filter is small) is opportunistic. Actually, you only having problems with me on this wagon is scummy as fuck considering the circumstances How I it scummy as fuck, when I have documented town reads on the people on wagon? It's opportunistic because it follows directly after you agree with rayns point about mal, it much just v bad timing on your part sonit doesn't come across as a placeholder. And saying you cases someone and that's most of why you votes them doesn't jive with the placeholder theory.
Placeholder in the sense that I was more comfortable voting for him than my other scum reads at the time, plus my case and rayn's case. You can continue to push this point if you want, but it won't get you anywhere.
Using your logic, i've been town reading Koshi and disformation, who voted for Malongo before you and Calix did. So if we want to talk about opportunistic
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btw Damdred, do you have a good reason for ninja voting Malongo and not putting it in here? Also not sure why you're having a sudden change of heart regarding Mal when you've *apparently* scum read him for a while and are town reading the rest of the wagon besides me?
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That doesn't make him scum though df.
What makes him scum is him trying pushing an agenda on disformation (aka. baiting him into saying something scummy instead of just scumreading him when every answer disformation can give is scummy in his eyes). Later on he lays it out as "misunderstanding" which is completely not what i am arguing about, as if it was a misunderstanding or not - at that time, it has nothing to do with why i am calling him mafia. + he is being unsmart. He really has no smart reads which is something Damdred is usually very easy to read for.
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There is nothing "weak" in my case on Malongo especially if you go and read how he approaches games as town and mafia. This is not how he does it as town.
I am kinda waffling on Xatalos and Eden. I can't understand why Xatalos jsut calls me scum without actually calling me scum or even trying to interact me. Basically he is not touching my cases at all he just calls them bad and then says i can be scum for it but isn't sure (and again -- then does nothing with it). I am very sceptical he does that as town because it doesn't make any sense, especially for a player who is really interested in pushing a lynch on me if he thinks i am mafia.
I can't understand why Eden townreads me because he shouldn't as per what he writes.
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nah, i like df's tone way too much to lynch him over mal/tw.
On March 19 2017 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Eden1892 why am i one of your top town's since so far i have made a case that is in your opinion terrible and another case on a player you don't think is mafia, and a third on on your top town?
nice find, would like to hear a post about that as well.
@rayn what do you currently think about tw?
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wait. about that rayn on eden quote just now:
just to make sure: eden had mal as null, implying not really liking rayn's case.
while the one saying that he didnt like rayn's case was xata.
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On March 18 2017 05:15 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 05:10 Calix wrote:On March 18 2017 04:57 Eden1892 wrote:On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote:
I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting. Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi. Top scum is Calix. Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame. I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well: On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote:
Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come. 1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read 2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads 3) "look how much work i already did" if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway. That's about all I got that I think matters right now. If you're already using pre-flip associations and getting tunnel vision re: me before anyone has even flipped then your reads are going to be so off it's not even funny. What do you actually think of Malongo himself? Why exactly he is null to you? Why wouldn't he be null? This is a weird concept, since people are null by default, but here goes. He's null because he hasn't done anything relevant or important yet. He said something interesting about not liking the speed at which Damdred and disformation wagons grew. I like these kinds of observations, all else equal, but he didn't do anything with it and his vote on ray had no serious motivation behind it. So the sum of his actions is... nothing. He made a potentially interesting observation and did nothing to make it actually interesting. He voted for some guy for no particular reason. It's a bunch of air. Null.
Like if Eden says this he literally must think my case is crap because my case on Malongo is based on something he found slightly townie.
He doesn't think Damdred (who i am voting for) is mafia.
Xatalos (who was and is my third scumread) is his top townread.
Why am i town in Eden's eys? That's basically everything i have done in this game, called these three people out.
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