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On February 10 2017 08:01 LightningStrike wrote: I really depressed about the activity here :/ why? | ||
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On February 10 2017 08:10 LightningStrike wrote: Because I want to find the second scum or at least be able to figure better who I want to check. and whining about activity an hour into the game makes that happen how? | ||
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palmar and ls have made themselves binary. rels, palmar, and damdred all have a good read on me and 1 of them is guaranteed not mafia. i have a soul read on damdred that is probably at least still partially functional. i am confident i can read rels quite well so that leaves vivax and malongo. | ||
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On February 10 2017 08:18 LightningStrike wrote: I thought it would be more active now tbh. right but rather than say "wahhhhh activity". perhaps "i like rels cuz he wants to lynch palmar" or "i don't like rels cuz he was quick to judge and told me what to do" would have been a better avenue to inspire response. because then, perhaps we have some relevant material where we can have discourse. | ||
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On February 10 2017 08:21 LightningStrike wrote: Why Vivax and Malongo? Just curious. i literally just detailed why you, palmar, me, damdred, and rels are all poor choices.....like wat? | ||
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On February 10 2017 08:24 LightningStrike wrote: Well I didn't read it well I pretty tired........ so you want people to be active, but don't read beyond the first 10 words. cool. | ||
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On February 10 2017 08:26 LightningStrike wrote: I pretty sure he can do that as both alignments. I forgot you're more of a reactionary player than a proactive player. Not everyone takes stances that they don't necessarily 100% believe as a method of prodding or driving conversation. | ||
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Vacation Musings ft. Ritoky's Wife "I don't like that Palmar guy. Everything he said seemed pre-meditated, and people who tend to think of all that junk ahead of time are hiding stuff. But he also sounds smart, and smart people make sense. So I don't know, he wrote a bunch of stuff that is probably all factually correct; but can't anyone do that if they're as smart as him anyway?" "Oh wow, that Lightning guy seems genuinely excited that he did something and wants everyone to notice him....Oh wait now he's whining...I don't like whiners, can you vote on him now?" ritoky: I whine a lot "Who said I liked you? Anyways I don't know he sounds weird. Why don't you just vote both of them off the island?" ritoky: 1 of them has to be mafia and the other one town. "But you can just vote them both off anyways right? Cuz then you get 1 for sure." ritoky: From a procedural pov, you kinda can't. "Well that's dumb, you should be able to. They both sound bad, I wouldn't agonize over it; I would just pick one without thinking too hard about it and if you lose oh well, just blame the person who got voted off for not being good." ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oBfzoy0.gif) | ||
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i could be wrong in my memory since i turned a whopping 27 2 days ago. i just would rather not be sold the "outside of his range of play" line of thought and give it any real credence. + Show Spoiler + clearwater revival | ||
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On February 10 2017 09:16 Damdred wrote: Rit basically answered, earlier I said I think this is out of your play depth currently. (Basically) @rit you did say that in another game. But do you really think that ls is laying here? Is it just a feeling of something from his posts. i think there's basically nothing either way for now. i think i naturally tend to be more compelled to palmar's side since he gives reads and speaks in a manner that has more clarity for me personally; whereas with LS there's a lot of ....uh...flailing? that he naturally does that inherent makes me tend negative on him. for palmar it's in his wheelhouse as a considered play as both cop or mafia, for LS i think it's in his wheelhouse to snap make a yolo reactive play. had the shoe been on the other foot and LS had claimed and palmar had cc'd i think i probably overwhelmingly believe ls. which seems weird to me, but is mostly based on the nature of who they are and the setup. who cares i won't be around the make the call anyway, my ass will get shot n0. the whole "we can still be friends" post LS made to check to see if palmar would back down, i had the opposite reaction to, cuz that's in the range of general tactics i try to do as mafia. i did like rels "no bitch, you do this" post toward LS too. | ||
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On February 10 2017 15:17 Malongo wrote: I mean the whole idea about first day claiming from palmar is getting a medic on him and making mafia gamble. On the contrary, if he is mafia he is effectively reducing the game to a 1v1 between him and the cop assuming no saves; and essentially laying down a gauntlet saying "I will outplay you, force town to make the wrong call and lose instantly". The play he made cuts both ways. It places himself in a fulcrum position, which I think tickles what ego Palmar has in just the right spot. | ||
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I have had 2 life changing experiences since I have been away, thanks for asking in advance! | ||
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On February 10 2017 15:58 Vivax wrote: 1. You were diagnosed with a metabolic disease 2. You started drinking milk from plastic bags? I am already diabetic. Rude! Also I might be Canadian soon so maybe I should try to unlearn 27 years of habitual insulting of the polite people to the North. You said you have no inclination of who is mafia thus far. Do you have any inclination of who is not mafia? | ||
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On February 10 2017 16:00 Malongo wrote: The problem is Palmer being mafia makes LS the real DT or green wich makes 0 sense to me given his posting. What specific posts from LS make you significantly convinced? | ||
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that i am generally not well read, but this game has some of the people with more reliable reads on me in it. thus it probably diminishes the value of a cop check on me. | ||
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Regarding the second post, what's the reason behind it making him mafia? Wrong/dumb = mafia? | ||
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On February 10 2017 18:31 Vivax wrote: But only Damdred posted a read on you so far so isn't it a bit premature to exclude yourself from a check without asking the other two for a read? not talking about their specific read this game, speaking about historical accuracy. | ||
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On February 10 2017 21:00 Vivax wrote: Do you think its better to have both cop claims check same target or not? I think it is cause with a fake result the checked target instantly knows who's the fake cop Who would you have checked if you were to direct the cops to check the same person? | ||
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On February 11 2017 00:59 Palmar wrote: Nice, new page good time to post optimal play guides: @Doc: Do not claim your role until lylo (don't claim in mylo). I'm going to assume Malongo is a troll, not a retard. If he is genuinely doc and mafia believes him, he basically reduced our chance of winning from super likely to very unlikely. Also @Doc, tread carefully with wifom. TL players are retarded and like to go for homeruns. I know it's going to be tempting to not protect me (or LS, if you're bad at life) tonight, but you really, really should protect me. It's optimal play for mafia to shoot into the 4 people that might be doc (aka, not me or the 2 scummers), because they should be assuming that I'm protected, which is the reason I claimed in the first place. Yes, if you play optimally, your protection is "wasted" because mafia will shoot into town, BUT, I've seen mafia go for broke often in this setup (basically gamble the doc will try a big play, and just straight up shoot the cop). I am going to super mad if I die tonight. I think there's an argument to be made that once the cop is CC'd protecting either is not the optimal play because mafia shooting either results in a 1 for 1 trade of cop for mafia which in this setup seems fine for town. It also keeps the doctor save "live" in the event that mafia doesn't want to shoot into the cop and trade, which optimally they won't do because it is a net loss. But I suppose arguing optimal play semantics is not really for this thread. | ||
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underwhelming/inactivity or a reason? | ||
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On February 11 2017 07:18 LightningStrike wrote: ##vote: Palmar Mafia because I the real cop and he should be lynched. So convince. Considering you posted a YYH vid about how you were gonna wreck Palmar, you really have done nothing since then of any form of usefulness. | ||
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On February 11 2017 07:31 LightningStrike wrote: Does it bother anyone that the claimed medic is alive as well? So you believe his claim. Why? | ||
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On February 11 2017 07:56 Damdred wrote: I like this question. Like ls usually you like to have me confirmed at any point as you Wifom your way into he'll on me half the time.But it doesn't matter I'll be confirmed town soon anyway. @LS and Rit what do you think of the doctor claim and the way he went about it? That question for everyone who wants to answer. i don't think he's the doctor. if i had to hazard a guess i think he is vt being a bonehead trying to do some kind of convoluted play that does more harm than good. if he comes in an says "yo i am doctor, never rescinding, never back down" in his next posts, then i think he is mafia on the grounds he claims doctor and save target instantly and then turns around and calls LS scum cuz dumb/bad. at that point i just have to assume his level of hypocrisy and poor play makes him mafia. | ||
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On February 11 2017 08:23 LightningStrike wrote: Well there is a chance you are scum though. Maybe I should check Damdred if we end up not lynching anyone today. Lul. 0.0% chance I am mafia this game. I actually genuinely believe that outside of the first Cell Mafia game, this is the most town I have ever been on TL. | ||
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On February 11 2017 09:29 Palmar wrote: Hi I checked Rels he came back green Reasoning? | ||
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On February 11 2017 10:01 Malongo wrote: Theres no reason to confirm/deny at this point. Still reading the thread, I really hate that somehow both DTs checked rels. Why not? Palmar and LS are binary, rels is confirmed green, I am never mafia. If you have a way to confirm yourself as town through claim then damdred becomes confirmed mafia who we can immediately lynch. | ||
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On vacation and putting more effort in....sigh. We have a green check with like 0 posts.....100% trustworthy source of information delivering. We have palmar doing the ABSOLUTE BARE FUCKING MINIMUM even though he is supposedly the cop. Oh wait let me guess your canned bullshit rebuttal. Palmar "Ahem, well it doesn't matter talking today since it is optimal to sleep. Then the following day I will convince you why I am cop and LS is mafia; we will lynch LS and then I will die. Discussion is irrelevant for me because I will not be alive to have to lynch the final mafia, plus my next set of checks will narrow it down to where the game is simple." WOW COOL SHIT DUDE! Currently your ass is getting lynched because you should be doing way more to project the fact that you're the cop and he isn't and you know it. Not even responding to why you checked rels. Give me a fucking break, you know better and the fact that you're not acting on it is bad play if town or just plain mafia. Then we got LS over here saying he is gonna go ham on palmar and then doing nothing, but at least he seems to try....oh wait until it comes to making arguments on who is mafia and why. Then I got damdred over here who is basically my sanity thus far and probably has me so deep in his pocket if he is mafia that I am fucked beyond belief; but even he doesn't seem to be trying to do much more than the bare minimum. Then there's malongo who I have no fucking clue who he is but he derped out and claimed medic n0 with 0 upside then unclaimed it into VT and seems to have literally made up his mind in 5 seconds and fucked off until vote time. No offense, but you're all kinda mafia siding to a certain extent this game. Town's only avenue to victory in this game is discourse; silence is mafia siding. SO FUCKING TALK ABOUT SOME SHIT. The moral of the story is that American airports right now are a giant shitshow and you should not fly if you do not have to until further notice. Especially if you or anyone you are flying with is a person of color. Sorry for the rant if you were offended, bad travel plus 21 hours of laziness hurts my fucking soul. | ||
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also since LS announced his check first this phase, next phase palmar should be forced to announce his first | ||
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lynch wrong save: 6 (4:2) -> 5(3:2) -> 5(3:2) lylo lynch right no save: 6(4:2) -> 5(4:1) -> 4(3:1) -> 3(2:1) -> 2(1:1) gg lynch right save: 6(4:2) -> 5(4:1) -> 5(4:1) -> etc the only way to gain a ML is to lynch correctly today and get a save, otherwise lynching today essentially decides the game barring the save and is no different than lynching tomorrow. other than that i will be dead, we will have more cop checks, might have more discussion, and slightly more opp for saves. it's mostly better to just no lynch. | ||
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On February 13 2017 04:29 Malongo wrote: From my point of view 1 of LS vs Palmar is mafia 1 of Damred vs ritoky is the other. Rather than options, who do you believe is mafia? | ||
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thunderdome tomorrow i suppose. | ||
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On February 13 2017 06:43 Damdred wrote: Do you agree with me that I is probably just Palmar as scum in that situation? i don't know if i am exactly clear on the "situation". but to explain my pov, which clearly can't be yours cuz you'll never view yourself as possible mafia, the cops should both check you. essentially i don't think ls + malongo is a possible team for a great many reasons, some of which are malongo's initial reaction to ls, malongo's decisive tone, and the fact that if he is mafia i felt he was coached to make that medic claim and i don't think ls does that coaching in the QT. so that leaves LS's only partner as you, which if i recall correctly LS generally is more open to big plays when mafia with you since you tend to encourage him and stuff from what i remember of past games. so that team makes the most sense in my brain if LS is mafia. as for palmar, i think he is the kind of person who would coach malongo to claim medic and shit in the thread to try to bait cc's. i also think since palmar doesn't know him he is the kind of mafia partner who could inspire palmar to not try as hard. the only real reason i think palmar could be with you is a paranoia of mafia creating a false binary or dichotomy. where they try to render the game to black or white but hedge and place one on each side. the only 2 people i feel like made any effort to hedge both sides in that way are you and palmar. i think a double check on you, since in my mind you're capable of being on both sides will essentially render the game into 2 teams of 2 since i sincerely doubt whichever of them is fake cop wants to have a run at me this game if i am still alive. in terms of how i feel on the palmar/ls situation, i feel underwhelmed. palmar was clearly more prepared and knew what he was doing with his claim, but i feel he should be doing way more to project he is the cop especially when he knows who his sworn enemy is. with ls i just feel he lacks excitement. to me ls is someone who is like a kid in a candy shop when he finds something solid to hold onto, he gets super excited and has to show everything this cool thing he found. well he found mafia....like 100% confirmed mafia to him, so where is the exuberance. he posted a yyh video and then just faded away. if i had to hazard a guess atm i would say palmar/malongo. palmar probably because my expectations are higher so my disappointment is respectively higher. my 1 real hesitation with malongo is that he actually still thinks i could somehow possible be mafia at this point which is like.....lol....but also kinda townish to me in a weird way. | ||
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On February 14 2017 06:55 LightningStrike wrote: I got a check result but I wont say it until Palmar says "his" result first :D Where were you for 72 hours? | ||
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On February 14 2017 07:01 LightningStrike wrote: Busy studying for my Chemistry 2 Exam that is going to happen tomorrow plus saw that people would rather no lynch than anything and couldn't be bothered with trying to convince people while I was studying -.- Cool! | ||
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The only question is if LS would green check his partner. | ||
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"Damdred, claim doc, the other mafia will have to cc you." lulwut? | ||
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On February 11 2017 06:02 ritoky wrote: I think there's an argument to be made that once the cop is CC'd protecting either is not the optimal play because mafia shooting either results in a 1 for 1 trade of cop for mafia which in this setup seems fine for town. It also keeps the doctor save "live" in the event that mafia doesn't want to shoot into the cop and trade, which optimally they won't do because it is a net loss. But I suppose arguing optimal play semantics is not really for this thread. ritoky thinking he softed too hard and is gonna die: On February 11 2017 06:57 ritoky wrote: was nice playing with you guys for a little bit again. i fully expect to die in 3 mins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lydBPm2KRaU ritoky reacting to Malongo's claim: On February 11 2017 08:16 ritoky wrote: i don't think he's the doctor. if i had to hazard a guess i think he is vt being a bonehead trying to do some kind of convoluted play that does more harm than good. if he comes in an says "yo i am doctor, never rescinding, never back down" in his next posts, then i think he is mafia on the grounds he claims doctor and save target instantly and then turns around and calls LS scum cuz dumb/bad. at that point i just have to assume his level of hypocrisy and poor play makes him mafia. ritoky pushing for Mal to hard claim so he can cc: On February 11 2017 10:10 ritoky wrote: Why not? Palmar and LS are binary, rels is confirmed green, I am never mafia. If you have a way to confirm yourself as town through claim then damdred becomes confirmed mafia who we can immediately lynch. we good here? we good. | ||
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![[image loading]](https://i.gyazo.com/4971ad8ac8d2b228a7874bf4ff3145aa.png) if damdred enters the thread and does anything other than claim doctor, he becomes instantly confirmed mafia and i become confirmed doctor. | ||
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to me he is confirmed mafia in all worlds. | ||
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To me, that line of play is a bit of a longshot, plus I have confirmed mafia regardless of which cop is real in damdred...so... | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:47 Rels wrote: And even for you Damdred if conf town, but you WILL still have to chose between Palmar and LS. I mean, you won't because you would be dead at that point, but town would have to chose anyway. So let's chose today I mean...not really. Lynching damdred who is conf scum will result in my immediate death since mafia won't risk leaving a conf medic alive cuz of save potential. So technically lynching damdred exempts me from having to choose, but I understand your general point. Some of it is under the assumption that palmar is 100% mafia though, because in the world where Palmar is town the game is literally over. | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:55 Rels wrote: Nope, the reasonning is not made under the assumption Palmar is 100% mafia. I think Palmar is 99% mafia, but the reasonning is still correct without it. Your post about LS checking between me and damd is under that assumption though. Because in the world where we lynch LS and get it right, Palmar already has his red check. | ||
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On February 14 2017 20:00 Rels wrote: I don't get that though. So you would rather be dead and not be part of the decision that make or break the game ? You have the chance to be alive and be townread and have your opinion matter there Partially because I am back from vacation so my time is pretty much going to disappear at a rapid rate in the next 48 hrs, partially so I can blame other people in the event that they make the wrong call, partially because I prefer to take 100% certainties over non certainties. There's a lot of contributing factors for me. When I wake up later I guess I will give damdred's filter a read now that I know he is 100% mafia and see if that leads me anywhere on the cop debate. | ||
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On February 15 2017 06:02 Malongo wrote: I guess because he can`t really vote LS when Palmar put him red? True, forgot that. | ||
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On February 15 2017 06:08 Rels wrote: meh dunno about that. None of his posts were townie. Every big posts he had was about mechanics or about how town was bad. Well that's the quality of the posts lacking, not the effort level. Plus I have been on the other side trying to scream people out of their LS reads before. It is a very dumb experience. To me, people just seem to arbitrarily take some tiny thing and make up their mind without ever reconsidering when it comes to him (and rsoul to a degree); even if they get burned they still do it again the following game. | ||
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On February 15 2017 06:23 LightningStrike wrote: Easy game easy life :D You sent in a check on me or damdred right? | ||
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On February 15 2017 17:59 Palmar wrote: Every mafia makes mistakes and I made some yeah. And we did get unlucky that LS was the cop because of simply how transparently he tends to play this game. We also got unlucky that the entire day 2 was on a weekend so I couldn't establish myself more during that time, but the weekend problems are something I just live with. In the end, the host wanted to make a game where town won, so he made a town favored setup and succeeded. For us to win, we needed good play on part of both mafia, and a mistake or two by town. @ritoky, i don't do blue reads and I never, ever have.  sad that you weren't on my side, was looking forward to doing some scum hunting with the boys....but most of the boys ended up being mafia.maybe i will try to get another game in or co-host something in the next 5 months before my twins are born. it got enjoyable for a bit when everyone started talking to me | ||
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