On February 05 2017 15:48 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok I might be slightly stupid, but I swear this mission is going to fail. This game is way too easy right now. And the spy isn't Vivax. It's one of Silver/sharkie.

On February 07 2017 03:13 Grackaroni wrote:
my team makes sense to me. I'm pretty sure the next mission is going to fail.

Silverika is too indignant to be scum.

Vivax is actually coming up with a lot of thought out scum pairings without trying too hard to be town read. Plus he said right off the bat that Silver/I aren't scum, which is a good thing from my perspective.

Tumblewood/Artanis are both like "I think Grack could definitely be scum here. Full steam ahead guys!"
##Accept. Plus Tumblewood is super blendy while Rtanisoul seems to mainly be trying to buddy Silver.

Everyone else seems to be showing at least some level of skepticism over the team.

I think we are (were) at similar points in this game.

Another issue with grack as scum for me, is that when I look at sl's play it completely turned at mission 1. I'm thinking through if sl passes mission 1 for a town read on either sharkie/silver. If you look at all the reasons that he fails attempt 3 vs attempt 4: it's grack not on the team, leader not on the team, and not silver nominating VS silver on the team anyways, sharkie on the team, and leader still not on team. I don't see how town sl votes down my team by votes up vivax's team, so sl as scum conditions my read on grack as well.

Also given this:

On February 04 2017 01:21 Grackaroni wrote:
Right now I see the game in terms of 3 groups (listed in no particular order):

The definite town:
Grackaroni
Silverika

The townie feels
Artanisoul
Vivax
Sharkie

The people without townie feels
Emperorchampion

The one of these two is scum group
Tumblewood
Superbia

The definite scum
Sicklucker

I still think at least one of Super/Tumble will be red.

Don't see grack/sl, putting his team mate at the bottom, don't think scum usually does that. Especially since I think that grack has pretty easy out for a town read on sl earlier.

Pretty sure given the interactions silver/sl is not a team. Maybe I'm just mega tunneled but I'm also running out of places to look, I'm in an sl/sharkie world right now.

I dunno, I don't have the same issue of grack/sl not being a team. SL has played an incredibly low-effort game and pretty much everyone and their mom has scumread him. It'd be difficult for Grack to get any mission in with SL on it so there's not much harm done by bussing him. Plus, if thread sentiment changes, he can change his position too anyway.

I'm not sure where you're going with the mission 3/4 thing regarding SL. Could you explain that a bit further?

On February 07 2017 20:38 Vivax wrote:
Can't be in a sharkie world without rtanisoul in it tbh.

If this fails I'm ride or die sharkie + rtanisoul

I'm glad we got tunnelvivax back.

Yeah that's true regarding grack / sl.

I'll explain what I was thinking:

Attempt 3 (team I proposed) the issues that sl was raising were:
- the leader not on the team
- no grack on the team
- silver on the team (strong (est) scum read from super)

Some things about attempt 4 (vivax's team):
- leader not on team
- silver on team
- sharkie on team (also strong scum read from super)

His whole point for yay voting vivax's team was that he didn't want silver's team to be auto-picked since it was his strongest scum read. That + I suppose grack is on the team now, his strongest town read. But I don't see the logic (maybe sl will help here) with voting a team with your strongest scum read versus let that person pick the team. Actually the had his two strongest scum reads at that time (as I recall). Like this team for him should be auto-fail, so I can't see why he would approve it. #justslthings

Scum motivation that I see is to pass a team with at least 1 scum on it knowing he's ostracized in any case if team mate decides to fail; and in the present case he can give an easy town read to any of the members on the team (i.e., silver or sharkie who he was previously scum reading) cause they are now part of a team that succeeded in passing a mission.

you say strongest scum read. but it was also a scum read that everyone disagreed with so the gamble is worth it. also day 1 scum read

sicklucker

Canada16987 Posts

February 07 2017 22:56 GMT

#1285

sicklucker grack silver. in my mind we are all town like 90% of the time. whos my fourth?

sicklucker

Canada16987 Posts

February 07 2017 23:01 GMT

#1286

oh its probably vivax. no way hes trying this hard as scum

sicklucker

Canada16987 Posts

February 07 2017 23:01 GMT

#1287

im like 50/50 sure the team is like super ec sharkie btw

sicklucker

Canada16987 Posts

February 07 2017 23:02 GMT

#1288

even if its not if silver and grack are spys they are fucking retarded for passing mission one and i will town read them for the rest of the game

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

February 07 2017 23:32 GMT

#1289

I'm still mafia, SL?

sicklucker

Canada16987 Posts

February 07 2017 23:57 GMT

#1290

probably

sicklucker

Canada16987 Posts

February 07 2017 23:58 GMT

#1291

your timing of effort is mad scummy

sicklucker

Canada16987 Posts

February 08 2017 00:07 GMT

#1292

yep sicklucker silver grack and vivax are going on a mission.

Vivax

22405 Posts

February 08 2017 05:27 GMT

#1293

On February 08 2017 09:07 sicklucker wrote:
yep sicklucker silver grack and vivax are going on a mission.

You do realize this will never pass, and not just cause of me.

Tumblewood

United States3709 Posts

February 08 2017 05:43 GMT

#1294

the obvious conclusion to draw from this is about 55% chance grack is scum and 55% chance sharkie is scum. if vivax or silver is scum we've just gotta take the L on this one

either way I would not nominate either of them for a mission from now on, and I was already hoping we could stay clear of ec and sl, why makes the decision going forward pretty easy. and it's possible that in the future sharkie or grack is obv down but it's not quite there yet from both of them. indirectly rtani is cleared -- not 100% but like 85% -- I guess. if I had the fine fortune of nominating this team it would be pretty obvious me/rtani/vivax/silver for the first four and then a tough choice between grack/sharkie/super. if I had to guess on who I'm misreading it would be super because I am long overdue on a reevaluation
actually lemme adjust that: 65% grack 45% sharkie because I seriously doubt someone who has never played mafia before is thinking ahead and predicting that they're gonna get two sabotages out of passing up the first one. like town cred and how victory mechanics affect that is not something that is apparently obvious in the first game
still go with super though, there are easily three people more likely to be scum than super

Tumblewood

United States3709 Posts

February 08 2017 05:45 GMT

#1295

grack/sl/ec is the team that makes the most sense rn and I will approve any team that doesn't have one of them and doesn't have both both super AND sharkie

sicklucker

Canada16987 Posts

February 08 2017 07:00 GMT

#1296

well im just submitting the best team imo. I doubt it will pass but since im pretty sure its all town, town points for whoever votes yes

sicklucker

Canada16987 Posts

February 08 2017 07:01 GMT

#1297

I cant really agree with ec now. maybe you could talk me into swapping vivax out for him. but me grack and silver are always gonna be on my mission. there almost lock towns for passing mission one with sharkbait

sicklucker

Canada16987 Posts

February 08 2017 07:02 GMT

#1298

On February 08 2017 14:27 Vivax wrote:

Show nested quote +

You do realize this will never pass, and not just cause of me.

you know thats not really my problem. its try 1 of 5 . I just want to put out an all town team if it passes or not for vote logic

sicklucker

Canada16987 Posts

February 08 2017 07:03 GMT

#1299

or you know the towns could grow balls and vote yes. if you guys fucking prevote your going to be confirmed scum deal?

Vivax

22405 Posts

February 08 2017 07:11 GMT

#1300

Game would be much easier for me if Grack didnt do that super odd 180° with his read on me, topping it off with him using the same argument to reach a different conclusion. Now I have to nay vote anything with sharkie + Grack on it.