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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
February 08 2017 07:15 GMT
#1301
how is grack ever mafia man. he was the top town read in the first mission why not sabotage it?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22251 Posts
February 08 2017 07:23 GMT
#1302
On February 08 2017 16:15 sicklucker wrote:
how is grack ever mafia man. he was the top town read in the first mission why not sabotage it?


It's what I thought at first but apparently it's just wifom and he wants me to believe swika are the spy
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18619 Posts
February 08 2017 07:26 GMT
#1303
On February 08 2017 16:11 Vivax wrote:
Game would be much easier for me if Grack didnt do that super odd 180° with his read on me, topping it off with him using the same argument to reach a different conclusion. Now I have to nay vote anything with sharkie + Grack on it.


First it was RT+sharkie, now it is Grack+sharkie? You keep pulling out these combos out of nowhere even though they make completely no sense? Next if silver were to defend me and accuse you, would you create a silver+sharkie combo?

On February 08 2017 16:15 sicklucker wrote:
how is grack ever mafia man. he was the top town read in the first mission why not sabotage it?


Because he is running out of people he can put blame on. Have you even read what he has said yesterday?
Also I already discussed this scenario yesterday several times. This line of thinking is not sound. You cannot assume spies play the way you want.
Grack is resistance for me for all his posts and how he is playing this game not because the first mission passed.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
February 08 2017 07:36 GMT
#1304
On February 08 2017 07:03 RtaniSoul wrote:
Guys
I believe at least one of silverika, grackaroni, sharkie and vivax is a spy.

Can't figure out who it is though
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22251 Posts
February 08 2017 07:40 GMT
#1305
And his read switch happened right when I was in a fight with rtanisoul and sharkie so it looked like he changed his read along with sentiment.

That's not a slam dunk argument for him being spy, but enough for me to vote exclude on missions with him + sharkie.

+ Show Spoiler +
I'm honestly salty and I would approve a mission (no I wouldn't but I wish I could) with him + rtanisoul (unable to TR but might give it a shot) + swika (town) + TW (town) even if I'm sure it fails just to prove my point.

sharkie + rtanisoul (unable to TR) + swika (town) + TW (town) is another option but if that fails it means that Gracks read switch on me was borderline gamethrowing and awful.

Using a mission to prove that somebody is spy is now a luxury anyways, we got 2 more for each. So I've spoilered this cuz it's hypothtetical and not what I'm planning but if I had a mission cop check it would look like this, maybe subbing someone else in for rtanisoul as I see myself unable to trust them.


I'd give a mission with you on it a shot SL but I think that you won't get enough approval and it's mostly cause I'm crazy and cause nobody ever raised his voice for you which would be odd if you were spy. I'll be the first.

And now I'm back to square one with sharkie and won't approve anything with Grack on it either.

Moral of the story: Rest of town has to figure out you, super, emc, TW.

Gut wise I think you and TW are most town, followed by EMC, and of those superbia is most likely spy cause his vote analysis leads to nowhere and I believe only aims at proving himself town, not forming a team. Also his banter with rtanisoul annoys me. He never steps on anyones toes with his posts.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22251 Posts
February 08 2017 07:42 GMT
#1306

First it was RT+sharkie, now it is Grack+sharkie? You keep pulling out these combos out of nowhere even though they make completely no sense? Next if silver were to defend me and accuse you, would you create a silver+sharkie combo?


Do you know the difference between OR and AND? I have my doubts.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18619 Posts
February 08 2017 07:44 GMT
#1307
So the mission failed after all.
Now before we even knew if the mission was going to fail we had our two prominent nayvoters EC and super appear back into the game and post as if it were day one.

For me that is way too big a coincidence to happen for both players. Sure I know I am the prime suspect of a spy for pretty much everyone in this game but neither of them posted that much after the first mission was approved and sent out (with me in the team). They only started talking so much when the 4man team was approved. Now of course they will cry vote analysis for this reason but my counter to that is they nayvoted the previous 3 man team too and yet they did not bother to cause such an uproar at that time.

So EC, super: tell us why the 4 man team bothered you so much but the 3 man team you let pass quite easily without much rejections?

Also I think SL and TW are still owing us explanations for yayvoting the 4man team although the team had people they accuse of being a spy.

sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18619 Posts
February 08 2017 07:46 GMT
#1308
On February 08 2017 16:42 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +

First it was RT+sharkie, now it is Grack+sharkie? You keep pulling out these combos out of nowhere even though they make completely no sense? Next if silver were to defend me and accuse you, would you create a silver+sharkie combo?


Do you know the difference between OR and AND? I have my doubts.


Are you using '+' as OR? If so, apologies then...

I use '+' as AND...
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22251 Posts
February 08 2017 07:49 GMT
#1309
On February 08 2017 16:46 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2017 16:42 Vivax wrote:

First it was RT+sharkie, now it is Grack+sharkie? You keep pulling out these combos out of nowhere even though they make completely no sense? Next if silver were to defend me and accuse you, would you create a silver+sharkie combo?


Do you know the difference between OR and AND? I have my doubts.


Are you using '+' as OR? If so, apologies then...

I use '+' as AND...


Well to make it clear I didn't mean to say that you are both spies. I just can't discern it now.

But while I was sure at first that a failure would mean you are spy, Grack posting scumster/godawful posts like accusing me of wifom which he previously liked and saying I'm on a team with rtaniSoul made me indecisive between the two of you.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
February 08 2017 07:54 GMT
#1310
Trying to do some VCA right now. The colours aren't related to alignment but based on patterns of voting. Most people vote fairly similarly, just EC, sharkie and superbia have stuck out.
Votes:
On January 29 2017 07:05 Rels wrote:
The team consisting of RtaniSoul, Silverika, Superbia has been rejected.

Votes for: sharkie, Silverika.
Votes against: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sicklucker, Superbia, Tumblewood, Vivax.
Calix did not vote (counted as reject).


Calix has been warned for not voting.


Team Leader
Tumblewood will now make Attempt #2 to nominate a team for Mission #1. The nomination will be locked Sunday, Jan 29 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), in .



On January 31 2017 07:00 Rels wrote:
The team consisting of Grackaroni, Tumblewood, Vivax has been rejected.

Votes for: Tumblewood.
Votes against: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sharkie, sicklucker, Silverika, Superbia, Vivax.
Calix did not vote (counted as reject).


Calix has been replaced be emperorchampion.


Team Leader
emperorchampion will now make Attempt #3 to nominate a team for Mission #1. The nomination will be locked Tuesday, Jan 31 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), in .



On February 02 2017 07:00 Rels wrote:
The team consisting of Silverika, Superbia, Tumblewood has been rejected.

Votes for: emperorchampion, Silverika.
Votes against: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sharkie, sicklucker, Superbia, Vivax.
Tumblewood did not vote (counted as reject).


Tumblewood has been warned for not voting.


Team Leader
Vivax will now make Attempt #4 to nominate a team for Mission #1. The nomination will be locked Thursday, Feb 02 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), in .


On February 04 2017 07:00 disformation wrote:
The team consisting of Grackaroni, sharkie, Silverika has been approved.

Votes for: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sharkie, sicklucker, Silverika, Tumblewood, Vivax.
Votes against: emperorchampion, Superbia.

The team will now embark on the mission. If there are any spies on the mission team, they may sabotage the mission by PM to all hosts with ##sabotage.


Deadline/Mission results on Saturday, Feb 04 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .


On February 07 2017 07:00 Rels wrote:
The team consisting of Grackaroni, sharkie, Silverika, Vivax has been approved.

Votes for: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sicklucker, Silverika, Tumblewood, Vivax.
Votes against: emperorchampion, sharkie, Superbia.

The team will now embark on the mission. If there are any spies on the mission team, they may sabotage the mission by PM to all hosts with ##sabotage.


Deadline/Mission results on Tuesday, Feb 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .


Superbia, why have you voted against every single team so far?
EC, can you take us through your vote process?
Tumble, what would you have voted on attempt 3 of mission 1 if you were there?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22251 Posts
February 08 2017 07:57 GMT
#1311
On February 08 2017 16:54 RtaniSoul wrote:
Trying to do some VCA right now. The colours aren't related to alignment but based on patterns of voting. Most people vote fairly similarly, just EC, sharkie and superbia have stuck out.
Votes:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2017 07:05 Rels wrote:
The team consisting of RtaniSoul, Silverika, Superbia has been rejected.

Votes for: sharkie, Silverika.
Votes against: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sicklucker, Superbia, Tumblewood, Vivax.
Calix did not vote (counted as reject).


Calix has been warned for not voting.


Team Leader
Tumblewood will now make Attempt #2 to nominate a team for Mission #1. The nomination will be locked Sunday, Jan 29 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), in .



Show nested quote +
On January 31 2017 07:00 Rels wrote:
The team consisting of Grackaroni, Tumblewood, Vivax has been rejected.

Votes for: Tumblewood.
Votes against: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sharkie, sicklucker, Silverika, Superbia, Vivax.
Calix did not vote (counted as reject).


Calix has been replaced be emperorchampion.


Team Leader
emperorchampion will now make Attempt #3 to nominate a team for Mission #1. The nomination will be locked Tuesday, Jan 31 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), in .



Show nested quote +
On February 02 2017 07:00 Rels wrote:
The team consisting of Silverika, Superbia, Tumblewood has been rejected.

Votes for: emperorchampion, Silverika.
Votes against: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sharkie, sicklucker, Superbia, Vivax.
Tumblewood did not vote (counted as reject).


Tumblewood has been warned for not voting.


Team Leader
Vivax will now make Attempt #4 to nominate a team for Mission #1. The nomination will be locked Thursday, Feb 02 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), in .


Show nested quote +
On February 04 2017 07:00 disformation wrote:
The team consisting of Grackaroni, sharkie, Silverika has been approved.

Votes for: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sharkie, sicklucker, Silverika, Tumblewood, Vivax.
Votes against: emperorchampion, Superbia.

The team will now embark on the mission. If there are any spies on the mission team, they may sabotage the mission by PM to all hosts with ##sabotage.


Deadline/Mission results on Saturday, Feb 04 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .


Show nested quote +
On February 07 2017 07:00 Rels wrote:
The team consisting of Grackaroni, sharkie, Silverika, Vivax has been approved.

Votes for: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sicklucker, Silverika, Tumblewood, Vivax.
Votes against: emperorchampion, sharkie, Superbia.

The team will now embark on the mission. If there are any spies on the mission team, they may sabotage the mission by PM to all hosts with ##sabotage.


Deadline/Mission results on Tuesday, Feb 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .


Superbia, why have you voted against every single team so far?
EC, can you take us through your vote process?
Tumble, what would you have voted on attempt 3 of mission 1 if you were there?


None of the guys you marked red was even on the failing team

...

You forgetting something or are those the red guys only based on vca
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22251 Posts
February 08 2017 07:58 GMT
#1312
Oh sorry I just read what the colours meant
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
February 08 2017 08:06 GMT
#1313
On February 08 2017 16:23 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2017 16:15 sicklucker wrote:
how is grack ever mafia man. he was the top town read in the first mission why not sabotage it?


It's what I thought at first but apparently it's just wifom and he wants me to believe swika are the spy

I think he wants you to believe you are the spy.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
February 08 2017 08:36 GMT
#1314
On February 08 2017 16:23 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2017 16:15 sicklucker wrote:
how is grack ever mafia man. he was the top town read in the first mission why not sabotage it?


It's what I thought at first but apparently it's just wifom and he wants me to believe swika are the spy


are you sure your not just doing your standard conspiracy theory garbage
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
February 08 2017 08:38 GMT
#1315
On February 08 2017 16:44 sharkie wrote:
So the mission failed after all.
Now before we even knew if the mission was going to fail we had our two prominent nayvoters EC and super appear back into the game and post as if it were day one.

For me that is way too big a coincidence to happen for both players. Sure I know I am the prime suspect of a spy for pretty much everyone in this game but neither of them posted that much after the first mission was approved and sent out (with me in the team). They only started talking so much when the 4man team was approved. Now of course they will cry vote analysis for this reason but my counter to that is they nayvoted the previous 3 man team too and yet they did not bother to cause such an uproar at that time.

So EC, super: tell us why the 4 man team bothered you so much but the 3 man team you let pass quite easily without much rejections?

Also I think SL and TW are still owing us explanations for yayvoting the 4man team although the team had people they accuse of being a spy.



I had just voted the same team minus artanis and it passed...
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
February 08 2017 08:40 GMT
#1316
most importantly why did you not have the same obvious conclusion as me sharkie since you voted the same team minus artanis. who would you have had over artanis? was artanis really that big of a difference that you voted no on a team you just voted yes?
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18619 Posts
February 08 2017 08:45 GMT
#1317
On February 08 2017 17:38 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2017 16:44 sharkie wrote:
So the mission failed after all.
Now before we even knew if the mission was going to fail we had our two prominent nayvoters EC and super appear back into the game and post as if it were day one.

For me that is way too big a coincidence to happen for both players. Sure I know I am the prime suspect of a spy for pretty much everyone in this game but neither of them posted that much after the first mission was approved and sent out (with me in the team). They only started talking so much when the 4man team was approved. Now of course they will cry vote analysis for this reason but my counter to that is they nayvoted the previous 3 man team too and yet they did not bother to cause such an uproar at that time.

So EC, super: tell us why the 4 man team bothered you so much but the 3 man team you let pass quite easily without much rejections?

Also I think SL and TW are still owing us explanations for yayvoting the 4man team although the team had people they accuse of being a spy.



I had just voted the same team minus artanis and it passed...


On February 08 2017 17:40 sicklucker wrote:
most importantly why did you not have the same obvious conclusion as me sharkie since you voted the same team minus artanis. who would you have had over artanis? was artanis really that big of a difference that you voted no on a team you just voted yes?


Vivax was on the team, not artanis...
Also I explained my vote yesterday.

Sicklucker if you don't even know who was on the previous team no one will even consider voting yay for your team... You are so out of the game it's not even funny anymore..
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22251 Posts
February 08 2017 09:33 GMT
#1318
On February 08 2017 17:36 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2017 16:23 Vivax wrote:
On February 08 2017 16:15 sicklucker wrote:
how is grack ever mafia man. he was the top town read in the first mission why not sabotage it?


It's what I thought at first but apparently it's just wifom and he wants me to believe swika are the spy


are you sure your not just doing your standard conspiracy theory garbage


Conspiracy theory garbage would be:

I put sharkie as my spy man into the team. I don't make an all resistance team cause that's against wincon. I also advertise not putting the leader in as policy (until there's good reason to assume they're town) which is against spy wincon.
He passes so I can get onto the next team.
I ask to sub rtanisoul in to frame them when the mission fails.
I spend all day arguing why sharkie my spy bud is spy.

Grack comes in and I'm not only spy, I'm also spy with rtanisoul, I also nomed a team that was all resistance, and for some reason bussed a guy to death who was being covered heavily by a resistance rtaniSoul.

Is this, gracks version, a version that makes any sense to you? You're free to disregard the self nom thingy as I can see why you would think I did it for cred. But the rest seems pretty convincingly like BS to me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22251 Posts
February 08 2017 09:37 GMT
#1319
Anyway Gracks version is that team #1 I nomed was all resistance.

Feel free to put anyone townie you want instead of me then, watch it fail and let me enjoy confirmed town lyfe, cuz both sharkie and grack are opposing me and I can't be spy unless swika is spy.

And I'm salty enough to take the risk to approve it.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
February 08 2017 10:05 GMT
#1320
I'm actually starting to think grack is the spy. Bleh.

^ cause i explained it to him though to be fair, he's still very convinced sharkie is town (resistance whatevs) based on feels. but mainly it comes down to grack being so adamant that it must be vivax...as town i'd expect him to be more leery of the other two on the first mission with him, but instead he goes straight to it's the new guy!

there's more spy motive to that than town...namely, if you say it's the new guy loud enough maybe no one looks to the original three
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