|
On February 08 2017 03:02 Silverika wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 02:35 sharkie wrote:On February 08 2017 00:31 sharkie wrote:On February 08 2017 00:29 Silverika wrote:On February 08 2017 00:06 sharkie wrote:On February 07 2017 23:58 Silverika wrote:On February 07 2017 23:54 sharkie wrote:On February 07 2017 23:54 Silverika wrote:On February 07 2017 23:49 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 23:45 Silverika wrote:
in short (ika here):
sharkie voting no when the only person he suspects on this team is vivax makes no sense form a towns POV. a town!sharkie should of voted yes on this to confirm vivax as scum/town (becasue scum!vivax would be forced to sabbo this or next mission where as twon!viv with town!shrakie is auto win)
so basically if this mission is sabboed, sharkie is the spy who did it You people keep using this logic and it doesn't work because it presumes that people have 100% townreads on the other people in the mission AND it presumes that failing a mission to identify a spy is worth it. Even if he was 100% on both you and grack, look at it from his situation. If vivax is mafia, he learns that Vivax is mafia whilst the rest of the thread (given thread sentiment) all believe HE is the spy. He knows Vivax is mafia but it doesn't help him in the slightest because he cannot convince the rest of the game of it. A mission is failed and a townie is left out of any further consideration, a disastrous result. you start with false premises and you end with wrong conclusions. grack town read vivax and has a record of it and vice versa so FMPOV and many other IMO they would have to argue one of two cases a) both are scum b) one is fooling the other thats only in the scum!vivax world cus thats seems to be your angle What do you mean grack "has a record of it"? reading vivax right Please tell me you have more things to back you up except past games... Because that is the worst proof you can have for social deduction games... Also what is wifom? If you've been reading our posts, we don't think grack would of passed the mission as a spy because they could of blamed you for it easily. Vivax's play and behavior this game does not makes sense coming from scum which we've explained in detail and was the reason we sent him on the mission. The Vivax/Grack towread theory is very simple. Unless they are on the same team, their townread of each other is worth noting because they have a history of being able to read each other correctly. Is it the only reason we would use to townread either of them? Absolutely not. But it does play a small factor. ~SilverWolf77 Passing the first mission does not make sense for sharkie as a spy either, using that same logic of yours... I am still waiting on a counter for this one, silver... You keep saying vivax is resistance because if he were a spy he would be playing sub-optimally. But in the same breath you accuse me of being a spy but not considering that if I were one I acted sub-optimally on the first mission by not failing it. Note please that I am not using this argument to defend myself. It would be very hypocritical of me to do that. All I am saying is that you can't apply your logic on one case but refuse to do it on the other one. That is a very inconsistent line of thinking... I feel like you are misreading silvers post in question here. You can't really ask this line of question either without a indirect or direct use of it becoming a defense of yourself. She not once has said that vivax as spy is playing suboptimal. Now I might be misreading the context in witch case you can clarify to me because she is busy right now. If you want my personal take, vivax!spy not sending himself on first mission while having a mass of town cred is suboptimal. You not failing the first mission has a two way street cus of resistance theory, many argue to sabbo/not sabbo first mission as spy for diffrent reasons. It's more of a belief system of what you think is right at that point. If your point still stands I'll let her respond on the issue but I feel like you are trying to aregue a smatical thing instead of the direct point. Because both things being applied are diffrent in nature
A different example then to make it clearer for you.
You say Grack cannot be spy because if they had been they would have abused the fact that I was on the team and just failed the mission to put the blame on me. Thus, a passed mission #1 = grack resistance for you. Because them planning to fail mission #1 would be sub-optimal for you.
But then don't you think that sharkie, the spy would have come to the same conclusion and rather risked failing mission #1 instead of giving grack/silver more credibility, just to fail mission #2? That should be sub-optimal play for you too.
What I am trying to say is whoever you accuse of being a spy between us 2 (sharkie, grack) must have done sub-optimal play for you so you cannot use that argument to defend or accuse either one of us.
Again: I am neither accusing grack of being a spy (as RT said if he had been a spy he would have jumped on the sharkie/RT hate bandwagon) nor am I using this to defend myself! I just want to realise that this line of thinking is flawed.
|
The people of Grackonia stand with Sharkie.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vOMo6SE.gif)
|
So I just talked to silverwolf (still phone) but she is saying she is not scum reading vivax nor grack right now.
If she is going to scum read them it would not be for the "oh they did suboptimal play"
In fact, she's town reading them for independent reasons do what you are saying is "suboptimal" and has explained it many times over.
She is driving us home but she can explain proper because I might end up butchering what she was saying to me cus I am a terrible explainer like that
|
I'm going to laugh if this mission just ends up passing and the scumteam has been trolling us.
|
On February 08 2017 03:32 RtaniSoul wrote:
I'm going to laugh if this mission just ends up passing and the scumteam has been trolling us.
I'd keep calling you spy just cause
|
On February 08 2017 03:32 RtaniSoul wrote:
I'm going to laugh if this mission just ends up passing and the scumteam has been trolling us.
Me and sw have just been discussing that actually.
Litarly I'm going "it would be hilarious to just fuck with people as spy who lost the game"
|
Also silverwolf wants Arby's does anyone have a suggestion for food?
(She's gonna be annoyed at me for this post)
|
Nvm it's Perkins now someone suggest something to order.
|
On February 08 2017 03:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 03:32 RtaniSoul wrote:
I'm going to laugh if this mission just ends up passing and the scumteam has been trolling us. I'd keep calling you spy just cause
Sometimes I wonder if you just decide to call me scum all game long before it's even started
|
On February 08 2017 02:37 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:29 emperorchampion wrote:
@ sharkie: who is scum for you right now? At the moment? You or TL/vivax/SL You got better in my standing but I still cannot shake that uneasy feeling from your team nomination... Also Super, welcome back to the game I guess?
ty
|
I am the harbinger of failure.
|
On February 08 2017 02:37 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:29 emperorchampion wrote:
@ sharkie: who is scum for you right now? At the moment? You or TL/vivax/SL You got better in my standing but I still cannot shake that uneasy feeling from your team nomination... Also Super, welcome back to the game I guess?
Why me or tumble?
|
On February 08 2017 03:43 Silverika wrote:
Also silverwolf wants Arby's does anyone have a suggestion for food?
(She's gonna be annoyed at me for this post)
Arby's has things other than curly fries??
|
On February 08 2017 05:32 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 03:43 Silverika wrote:
Also silverwolf wants Arby's does anyone have a suggestion for food?
(She's gonna be annoyed at me for this post) Arby's has things other than curly fries??
Delicious Roast Beef sandwiches. Yum................
|
On February 08 2017 05:53 Silverika wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 05:32 emperorchampion wrote:On February 08 2017 03:43 Silverika wrote:
Also silverwolf wants Arby's does anyone have a suggestion for food?
(She's gonna be annoyed at me for this post) Arby's has things other than curly fries?? Delicious Roast Beef sandwiches. Yum................
~Silverwolf77
(She forgot to sign)
|
On February 08 2017 03:14 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 03:02 Silverika wrote:On February 08 2017 02:35 sharkie wrote:On February 08 2017 00:31 sharkie wrote:On February 08 2017 00:29 Silverika wrote:On February 08 2017 00:06 sharkie wrote:On February 07 2017 23:58 Silverika wrote:On February 07 2017 23:54 sharkie wrote:On February 07 2017 23:54 Silverika wrote:On February 07 2017 23:49 RtaniSoul wrote:
[quote]
You people keep using this logic and it doesn't work because it presumes that people have 100% townreads on the other people in the mission AND it presumes that failing a mission to identify a spy is worth it.
Even if he was 100% on both you and grack, look at it from his situation. If vivax is mafia, he learns that Vivax is mafia whilst the rest of the thread (given thread sentiment) all believe HE is the spy. He knows Vivax is mafia but it doesn't help him in the slightest because he cannot convince the rest of the game of it. A mission is failed and a townie is left out of any further consideration, a disastrous result. you start with false premises and you end with wrong conclusions. grack town read vivax and has a record of it and vice versa so FMPOV and many other IMO they would have to argue one of two cases a) both are scum b) one is fooling the other thats only in the scum!vivax world cus thats seems to be your angle What do you mean grack "has a record of it"? reading vivax right Please tell me you have more things to back you up except past games... Because that is the worst proof you can have for social deduction games... Also what is wifom? If you've been reading our posts, we don't think grack would of passed the mission as a spy because they could of blamed you for it easily. Vivax's play and behavior this game does not makes sense coming from scum which we've explained in detail and was the reason we sent him on the mission. The Vivax/Grack towread theory is very simple. Unless they are on the same team, their townread of each other is worth noting because they have a history of being able to read each other correctly. Is it the only reason we would use to townread either of them? Absolutely not. But it does play a small factor. ~SilverWolf77 Passing the first mission does not make sense for sharkie as a spy either, using that same logic of yours... I am still waiting on a counter for this one, silver... You keep saying vivax is resistance because if he were a spy he would be playing sub-optimally. But in the same breath you accuse me of being a spy but not considering that if I were one I acted sub-optimally on the first mission by not failing it. Note please that I am not using this argument to defend myself. It would be very hypocritical of me to do that. All I am saying is that you can't apply your logic on one case but refuse to do it on the other one. That is a very inconsistent line of thinking... I feel like you are misreading silvers post in question here. You can't really ask this line of question either without a indirect or direct use of it becoming a defense of yourself. She not once has said that vivax as spy is playing suboptimal. Now I might be misreading the context in witch case you can clarify to me because she is busy right now. If you want my personal take, vivax!spy not sending himself on first mission while having a mass of town cred is suboptimal. You not failing the first mission has a two way street cus of resistance theory, many argue to sabbo/not sabbo first mission as spy for diffrent reasons. It's more of a belief system of what you think is right at that point. If your point still stands I'll let her respond on the issue but I feel like you are trying to aregue a smatical thing instead of the direct point. Because both things being applied are diffrent in nature A different example then to make it clearer for you. You say Grack cannot be spy because if they had been they would have abused the fact that I was on the team and just failed the mission to put the blame on me. Thus, a passed mission #1 = grack resistance for you. Because them planning to fail mission #1 would be sub-optimal for you. But then don't you think that sharkie, the spy would have come to the same conclusion and rather risked failing mission #1 instead of giving grack/silver more credibility, just to fail mission #2? That should be sub-optimal play for you too. What I am trying to say is whoever you accuse of being a spy between us 2 (sharkie, grack) must have done sub-optimal play for you so you cannot use that argument to defend or accuse either one of us. Again: I am neither accusing grack of being a spy (as RT said if he had been a spy he would have jumped on the sharkie/RT hate bandwagon) nor am I using this to defend myself! I just want to realise that this line of thinking is flawed.
No, actually a spy passing the first mission is something I've actually seen before because there are only 3 people on it and it's too easy to draw attention to yourself. Failing it with 4 people is better play so you passing the mission doesn't seem like suboptmal play at all no matter your alignment.
Grack if spy, would be making a terrible move to not sabotage the mission with you and us on it because it would be very easy to blame you. Grack has also been putting forward some pretty townie posts recently and trying to figure out teams so I'm inclinded to townread him right now.
What I was saying in regards to Vivax is, he kept himself off a mission he could easily sabotage and blame you for, he put forward a mission that passed, he wanted to put Rtani Soul instead of you on this next one to cop check him. The only way he's scum there, is if Grack or Rtani Soul is on the same team and that absolutely makes no sense based on the interactions in this game. If they are engaging in brilliant scum theatre, good for them I guess. He kept up a hard townread of us and Grack, he called you an IC earlier in the game. This gives him very little wiggle room if he's scum here yet he still approved the mission.
I look for motivation. I don't see spy motivation in Vivax's actions. Now, if the mission fails, I'll re-evaluate because there are some posts here that make you look pretty town as well. Your no vote here and saying you wanted to just start the no vote trend again for info or whatever threw me for a loop when this is a perfect opportunity for town you to figure out Vivax. And when you and Rtani Soul starting defending each other, it gave me the heebie geebies.
But until we get an absolute pass or fail, I don't really see the point in speculating too hard.
Also, I'm a lazy fucker and don't want to do all the work of re-evaluating everyone if I don't have to.
~SilverWolf77
|
On February 07 2017 20:38 Vivax wrote:
Can't be in a sharkie world without rtanisoul in it tbh.
If this fails I'm ride or die sharkie + rtanisoul
how does a sharkie rstanisoul world make anysense? they can never be a team artanis wanted to be on the mission too badly. if there partners it makes no sense for him to want ti as now they both look bad instead of one
|
boyoboy 
|
Mission Sabotaged![[image loading]](https://s24.postimg.org/49nyovhj9/z_mission_3_raid_fail.png)
Grackaroni, sharkie, Silverika and Vivax set out before daybreak in order to cross the Cher-Loire Canal with the morning rush. There was some congestion at the Barriere de l'Ecluse checkpoint, governing the crossing at the northern end of the canal where it connected to the old riverport through a set of locks. The canal basin, heavily damaged by artillery and bombs during the invasion, stood in ruins, having not been repaired since. People and carts waiting to enter Tours formed a line along the embankment; on the opposite side, a few German sentries stood guard upon the rubble of the former slipway.
With the recent increase in Résistance activity — by us as well as other cells in the area — security had been noticeably tightened. The guards screened each person passing through the checkpoint carefully, scrutinizing their papers and searching their possessions thoroughly. Thanks to excellent planning, our equipment had been smuggled ahead into the city, so our résistants were not carrying concealed weapons. Our team was thus able to make it into the city — with slightly frayed nerves, but otherwise none the worse for wear.
Once across the canal, our résistants ducked out of sight, away from the busy main roads. Down along Rue du Rempart they went, zigzagging along where the town walls had stood in the 16th century, and onward to a safehouse on the corner of Place Loiseau d'Entraigues, where they’d pick up the equipment that had been sent on ahead.
But as the team approached, they noted an unfavourable sign: among various articles of clothing hanging upon the railings of a second floor window, a red scarf — a signal for danger. Once outside the building itself, the reason became apparent: across the other side of the plaza, and all along the main artery of Boulevard Heurteloup, large numbers of German soldiers could be seen out and about. With a coded knock on the door, the team hastily gained entry into the safehouse so as not to arouse suspicion by waiting around in public.
Inside, a résistant from Tours briefed the team to bring them up to date on the situation in the city: Germans were out in force everywhere, with unusually heavy patrols all over the city. Scouts had reported that major plazas and main streets were well guarded — including the market district where the diversionary attack was to take place, as well as Place Velpeau, in front of our target warehouse.
It was pretty clear that the Germans had got wind of our plan somehow and mobilized in response. Against an alert and prepared enemy, outnumbered and under-equipped; it was simply not feasible to proceed. The operation had to be called off. Crossing the Cher railway bridge by force was also out of the question, so an alternate exfiltration route was hastily put together, avoiding known concentrations of German troops.
If the enemy knew we’d come from the east, then heading back across the Cher-Loire Canal would be risky. The Pont du Cher road bridge was also too well guarded and too close to the railway bridge from the original plan. So a route to the south and west was plotted. A nerve-wracking escape followed: out the back door and through back yards and alleyways our team headed, scurrying like rats through the city on a wide detour. They eventually crossed the Cher at Saint Sauveur before backtracking east again to reach the rendezvous outside Saint-Avertin.
That was last week. We’ve since received word out of Tours that the safehouse we used was compromised only a couple of days later. Something’s definitely not quite right.
Mission 3
En Dehors des Rails![[image loading]](https://s24.postimg.org/s9uiq92np/z_mission_3_drl_brief.png)
The collapse of our plan to steal explosives from the Germans is a setback, but we have other means of obtaining what we need. Thanks to our radio link in Tours to the SOE in Britain, La Résistance has been able to arrange for a large shipment of supplies to be airdropped into nearby Indre. Some of which have been allocated to us, in return for our role in helping to establish that vital connection.
Besides weapons and ammunition, we’ve also received some explosives. The general directive we’ve received is to use them to disrupt rail transport in the vicinity and thus cripple an important node in the German logistics network. Although the rail yards and other infrastructure in Tours and St-Pierre-des-Corps are tempting targets, the situation in and around Tours is far too dangerous at the moment to attempt to smuggle weapons and explosives in, let alone carry out a bold attack. So we’ll be turning our attention elsewhere for now.
Furthermore, we’ll need to gain some experience in handling and using explosives on a smaller scale before contemplating a more complex operation. Among the explosives we’ve received are some shaped charges designed specifically for train derailment, so let’s start with those. The pictorial instructions that came with them look simple enough, at least.
So, we shall target the regular troop train from Nevers and Bourges, which passes just south of us on its way to Tours and other points west. This is a smaller train running on a less important, low-traffic line, so it would be a nice, soft target for our initial foray with explosives. We’ll set up the charges at an ambush position west of Saint-Martin-le-Beau. Detonate them as the train approaches, then assault and finish off any survivors using our newly acquired firearms.
4 team members are required for this mission.
Team Leader sicklucker will now make Attempt #1 to nominate a team for Mission #3. The nomination will be locked Wednesday, Feb 08 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), in .
|
Guys
I believe at least one of silverika, grackaroni, sharkie and vivax is a spy.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
