Liquidmania Qualifier #2

On January 16 2017 03:18 Hapahauli wrote:
I am tense. I took my first yoga class yesterday and my shoulders are fucking killing me.

It's like I have a knot within a knot on another knot.

On January 16 2017 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Since you can't read my shoulders from your computer screen, what gives you the impression that I'm tense?

On January 16 2017 03:31 Hapahauli wrote:


Bingo. I don't think that's tense though. It's a well-established part of my game to get people talking, even if I have to force the shit out of things.



You can think what you like, but you know the solution to reading me is pretty simple. Either I keep up with my try-harding (and I'm town), or my activity drops off like a cliff (and I'm mafia). I'm self-aware of this tell for sure, but I haven't been able to fix it.

On January 16 2017 03:41 LightningStrike wrote:
I think Vivax might be town for his questioning onto Hapa or at least trying to draw a conclusion with his posts towards Hapa.

On January 16 2017 04:01 Hapahauli wrote:
Sure. A town thought process is straightforward.

I think "x" is mafia because "reasons."
I think "post" is scummy because "reasons."

This was not the thought process here.


This isn't straightforward. You find what I was doing "sort of scummy", but immediately discredit your own observation by stating that "you're still ruminating."

This very round-about thought process is scummy.

You're missing my point.

"X post is scummy" isn't absolute reasoning. I don't care about what the reasoning is. The point is that the statement is direct. The statement is clear. It has a straightforward objective. Town have no reason to hide, and every reason to communicate clearly about their intentions.

There's very little point in announcing "this post may be suspicious". It's indirect. It is unclear. What exactly is the objective of announcing something you aren't sure about?

On January 16 2017 04:28 Hapahauli wrote:
I don't think the meta point would have led to any good conversation. I'd rather you address the part of your post I considered scummy than something I considered more non-alignment indicative.

On January 16 2017 05:32 Hapahauli wrote:
"Agree here" = I didn't like HolyFlare's entrance.

On January 16 2017 05:41 Hapahauli wrote:


Yes.

#1


#2


#2 is not a satisfying explanation of #1. It does not make much sense how HF can consider something "weird", yet "remarkably high level".

On January 16 2017 04:45 Holyflare wrote:


Correct.

On January 16 2017 20:46 Rels wrote:
yo

On January 16 2017 21:07 Rels wrote:
This seems like TMI. If Damdred is scum LS is spewed town

On January 16 2017 21:37 Rels wrote:

I think LS could be scum. I find Damdred's reasons to townread LS bad. Damdred is supposed to have a god meta read on LS. So if Damdred is scum, he's using his god meta read as an excuse to just give a townread to someone he knows is town, even though it doesn't show in the thread.

On January 16 2017 21:51 Rels wrote:

I don't believe it's likely at all that mafia!Damdred will ever use his "god meta read" to try to mislynch LS. The fact that Damdred can read LS very well is a well known fact.
I explained why I found Damdred's townread of LS bad. But I liked that he pressured LS on spitting out posts, instead of buddying him

On January 16 2017 21:07 Rels wrote:
This seems like TMI. If Damdred is scum LS is spewed town

On January 16 2017 22:04 Rels wrote:

My problem was that (1) I find LS scummy and (2) I find Damdred's reasonning pretty bad 'cause LS has proved he can do all of those things as scum. Usually Damdred's reasons to townread LS are more nebuleous feelings, especially D1.

On January 16 2017 22:09 Rels wrote:

If I found LS townie I wouldn't have found Damdred's townread on him to be TMI.

On January 16 2017 22:15 Rels wrote:

Nope I don't think it's likely for scum!Damdred to make a list of reasons for scum!LS to be town. Too much spotlight if LS flips, when Damdred is known for his LS read.

On January 16 2017 21:07 Rels wrote:
This seems like TMI. If Damdred is scum LS is spewed town

On January 16 2017 22:19 LightningStrike wrote:

Was wanting to him something that was all.

On January 16 2017 22:23 Rels wrote:
You' re beginning to annoy me.

On January 16 2017 21:41 Rels wrote:
That's where I'm at, town to scum:
Vivax HF
Onegu Slam Damdred BM
LS Hapa

On January 16 2017 21:45 Rels wrote:


I don't like these posts at all. The comments are bland. It's pretty different from a very similar situation where LS was town and had to post about a fight going on in the thread:

On January 16 2017 22:19 Rels wrote:
And at the time I didn't what LS scummy. I didn't think he did anything townie

On January 16 2017 22:34 LightningStrike wrote:

He has pushed me for my mislynch when he's scum with me being town. One of those games where he done it before he left was Onegu is the Best Host which you did play in.
Here was his filter from that game but if you remembered I got modkilled there and Snickers ruined the game too:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511409-onegu-is-the-best-host-mafia?user=Damdred

On January 16 2017 21:51 Rels wrote:

I don't believe it's likely at all that mafia!Damdred will ever use his "god meta read" to try to mislynch LS. The fact that Damdred can read LS very well is a well known fact.
I explained why I found Damdred's townread of LS bad. But I liked that he pressured LS on spitting out posts, instead of buddying him

On January 16 2017 22:33 Rels wrote:
I really like your way of thinking though. Your read on me changed until you got to the thing that was bothering you

On January 16 2017 22:37 Rels wrote:

The order is not odd, I made that read post after having read his passive posts about the Hapa / HF fight. Then I dug the other game to explain my feeling

On January 16 2017 22:19 Rels wrote:
And at the time I didn't what LS scummy. I didn't think he did anything townie

On January 16 2017 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh and also another game where you were his scummate Rels: Season of the Witch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Damdred
Granted he tried to fake a red check on me at EoD to lynch me but failed.

On January 16 2017 09:53 Holyflare wrote:
I think hapa can absolutely be mafia.

His vivax fight/unvote felt forced especially since in one of his posts his whole vivax criticism is that vivax is posting what's on his mind and it's weak accusations but then says we should be posting everything we can.

His "suspicion" on me for what was blatantly troll posts but mimicry of what vivax was saying into nothing further about me (no follow up now I've posted).

His drive by comments and non participation into really out of the blue defence based on clear phone auto corrects is really odd when he likes pressure being put on people. His whole push just takes the wind out of my sails and shuts down a discussion avenue. Weird post even if it's what he thinks.

+ Show Spoiler +

On January 16 2017 23:10 Holyflare wrote:


My post about you was entirely sarcasm. I literally said you made a read and that's higher skill than I've seen in most games. Aka everyone else in this forum has been playing like shit. It apparently went over everyone's head.

I did like your post about how hapa seemed ready to go and aggressive and I liked that you made it.

I liked that point but thought it made him towny whereas you thought the inverse.

On January 16 2017 23:20 Holyflare wrote:
I didn't read any part of your argument because it was boring. I just looked at your post and saw that it said nice things and looked at the conclusion and saw it didn't say the nice thing I'd like.

I don't think he was nervous and the only reason his push seemed scummy was because it was based on non-points (which he has seemingly retroactively said was fake pressure but after your fight alluded to ACTUALLY having reasons to call you out sooo which is it really?) and continued for far too long. He was also placated by a boring response which I didn't like.

On January 16 2017 23:28 Holyflare wrote:
I stopped reading the content of the posts after the one where you reached the wrong conclusion because I already made a conclusion on both you and hapa. Your other posts/hapa's posts were walls of irrelevant text to me.

I resumed after skimming and saw hapa's unvote that felt really deflated.

On January 16 2017 23:34 LightningStrike wrote:

I trying to ask Vivax his read on you while I wait for him.

On January 16 2017 23:18 Rels wrote:

not really. I want him to talk about it.

On January 16 2017 23:44 Holyflare wrote:
I'm all for policy lynching ppl who waste my time signing up to a championship game to do nothing tbh. I feel bloodlust.

On January 17 2017 01:23 Rels wrote:
Vivax you are fucking dumb. Reread everything. Then if it's not clear I'll do a post by post defense where I'll explain exactly what's my LS read. But that is so useless that I don't want to waste time doing that. The basic is that I ddin't find LS scummy when I read that Damred post, then I found LS scummy when I finished reading the thread. The end.

On January 17 2017 01:30 Rels wrote:

Well now that you know the fucking facts you can stop being a pain in the ass

On January 17 2017 01:46 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Vivax

I'm not following the Rels stuff, particularly point #2 in your summary. Can you go in more detail?

On January 17 2017 02:48 Onegu wrote:
##Vote Slam

100% based on his first 4 posts...

Yeah my first 4 posts werent any better content wise but at least I didnt tell you about my shit.

On January 17 2017 03:01 Onegu wrote:
Like where do I say he is 100% mafia. Where do I call him mafia. Stop trying to put words in my mouth vivax.

On January 17 2017 03:07 Onegu wrote:



Huh, really not sure how you think this. I am onegu and yet you thing me making a vote and saying based on his first 4 posts I am declaring him as a 100% scumread?

Like part of me wants to believe you just are omgus me because I said you looked to worse in my next post...

On January 17 2017 03:13 Onegu wrote:
Ok even if I am not onegu. How does someone scumread a person 100% on a entrance like that. Even you said so. So why would you think that if no one else does it why would onegu do it?

On January 17 2017 04:56 Hapahauli wrote:


This is what I was getting at earlier, but much more articulate.

On January 17 2017 05:08 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a bit of an impasse because I think there could actually be too many scum :D

On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
I'm really, really, really not a fan of LS since he's done shit all and then went on and on about how he NEEDED damdred's read on me/hapa to do anything and then just said fair enough and did absolutely nothing when damdred did post something relevant

then I hate that damdred/rels KEEP making these lazy meta ls reads that aren't even true and then when presented with new information that should update their reads they don't even bother looking into it or fact checking it and damdred is playing lazzyyyy

then I hate onegu's "catch up" but I don't know if that's extreme bias because I despise a million times over people that do page by page catch ups instead of just a summary but regardless his catch up that he's done so far is shit

then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:



which I think I hate by far the most

On January 17 2017 05:22 Holyflare wrote:
I'm in a deep deep deep web of association theories and I don't like it

send help

On January 17 2017 05:38 Damdred wrote:
Well as long as my death is peaceful.

Honestly i probably just won't be here for lynch tomorrow so if we majority on me before I leave I kind of just have to accept it now. I basically have frmo now until 9 pm eastern to do things then i might dissapear until after lynch.

Sadly not to have sex with my wife for 17 hours straight :'(. I'll try to find something thats interesting to me but its just not to interesting yet in thread i guess.

On January 17 2017 06:15 Damdred wrote:


The only thing that is even remotely interesting to me is Onegu read on slam honestly. I thought slam said a couple of things that I could see come from town. Which makes his read of null but voting nad not commenting on anything in the thread else bad to me.

Especially for Onegu.

Besides that I am wafly on what I think, nothing else has piqued me right now.

Damdred there's a tonne to weigh up. Him being demotivated, not doing much and rolling over is normally what I consider town damdred to be.

then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

On January 17 2017 02:02 Hapahauli wrote:


What I'm ultimately trying to get at with Damdred, is that I feel he's been a non-entity this game. The contributions he has made have not been of his own volition, but have been from his responses to people questioning him.

The only thing he's been vocal about is a read on lightning strike (which he made in response to my various lines of questioning during the game). Other than that, his read on me last night sort of morphs and changes with whatever HolyFlare was posting at the time.

The question on you was because I was looking into Vivax's case, which still doesn't make much sense to me.

Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred

On January 17 2017 22:42 Rels wrote:

If having scumreads is considered scummy, then that's how Hapa was the majority of the game. Having no scumreads means nothing. Not looking for scum is scummy. Damdred is doing it in his own way - by crossing people off a lynch list before POEing the lynch. And that's how he ususally plays D1.

On January 17 2017 22:43 Holyflare wrote:
Well it does but that post was made exclusively to call out hapa not caring about things in the thread

On January 17 2017 22:58 Rels wrote:

Town.
Your reasons are bad. Onegu reasons are bad. Stop being bad.

On January 17 2017 10:47 Hapahauli wrote:
I can already tell you what's going to happen today: town will lynch down the path of least resistance. Unless the mafia team is something completely fucking useless like some combination BM/Onegu/Damdred, it's very clear that nothing is being pushed aggressively to derail town, and that town is just hanging itself.

##Unvote while I re-read again for the whateverth time.

On January 17 2017 23:08 Rels wrote:

I don't townread HF confidelty. I think I'll never townread HF confidently 'cause he's a super good scum. He seems town for now though. The way he pressured Damdred at the beginning then stopped. The way he expressed having lots of people he wants to lynch. And he's seeing the same things I do on Hapa's filter.

Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred

The only thing he's been vocal about is a read on lightning strike (which he made in response to my various lines of questioning during the game). Other than that, his read on me last night sort of morphs and changes with whatever HolyFlare was posting at the time.

On January 17 2017 23:12 Hapahauli wrote:
I unvoted Damdred for 3 reasons:

1) It is extremely unlikely this is a mafia lynch with literally nothing else in the thread being pushed or considered in a stupidly inactive town.
2) The roll-over-and-die defense seems unlike town-Damdred, but I also think it's MORE mafia-Damdred. There's no self-preservation instinct there.
3) Holyflare is mafia.

On January 17 2017 23:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh god that post is an abortion.



Explain?



This town's activity is on life support. Damdred is the lynch of least resistance.



I get the impression from Damdred's filter that he is lost. Not that he isn't trying. Again, finding ANYTHING worth posting about on this early Day 1 was extremely difficult. If I were posting my unfiltered mind on Day 1, it would end up a lot like Damdred's filter.

On January 18 2017 00:21 Rels wrote:

Nothing I'm saying is against you personnaly. But I know the feeling. I'm feeling the same. This is my towniest game in a long time and I'm not top town in anyone reads. Granted, D1 has always been my worst day, but still.

On January 18 2017 00:29 Bill Murray wrote:

wut


WUT?

vote: LightningStrike

On January 18 2017 00:32 Bill Murray wrote:
To me, the back and forth between Vivax and Hapa on Pg. 5 makes it to where they aren't both scum - likely both town - I didn't like Hapa's opening and was leaning scum but his posts on Pg. 5 have me thinking more of him as town in my "it's all too early to pick out who are scum" phase

On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.

I will invite-

However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.

But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.

I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum.

On January 18 2017 01:03 Alakaslam wrote:

This is actually serious play. It's selfish to work within my own means rather than just sheep? Please tell me why; it would take far less effort to go "whoooo let's lynch HF"

Like isn't that what I'd usually do anyway? Your reaction is confusing me big time:

On January 18 2017 01:06 Alakaslam wrote:
The reason is that if Hapa is scum and he is lynching Holyflare, he will dominate. End of story.

But we would have to wait for him to survive night

I just realized this is more wifom then I had thought. Vivax is right.

Dammit I hate this situation so bad

On January 18 2017 01:19 Holyflare wrote:


you're so full of shit

post it so i can destroy you

On January 17 2017 23:15 Vivax wrote:


And I have just shown how he made an argument that only makes sense for someone believing or knowing that Damdred is mafia.

Damdred is town cause he hard townread LS and he only does that as mafia, is more or less what he said.

I repeat what I said earlier, with the most important parts onyl quoted:

What HF said:


In response to Hapa:



from HFs perspective it looks like:

Hapa is scumreading Damdred cause his only read of own volition was LS.

Hapa shouldn't cause LS said mafia Damdred never hard town reads him.

Damdred is mafia and hard townreads LS, ergo he is not mafia.

Might be TMI shining through here. But either way HFs entire Damdred read seems foul.

---

Now if you can explain that away in a credible way I will be able to believe that you are townreading HF, but until then, the line of reasoning he used doesn't make sense to me. I don't see how anyone townie can say that.

On January 18 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote:
ok i'm going to try something new

outline a few key points on why hapa is town for me
i'll outline a few on why he's mafia

we'll meet in the middle

On January 18 2017 01:56 Rels wrote:

Disagree about that. Damdred had 3 votes but it looked like it was gonna the default lynch. Especially after the post swhere Damdred goes "I'm gonna be AFK after XXX, if you wanna lynch me then go for it". From Hapa PoV I don't think that's weird to think Damdred was gonna be a default lynch that was gonna result in a ML, since he was voting him but was not super convinced about him

On January 18 2017 02:03 Hapahauli wrote:


I think everyone in the thread would "settle" for a Damdred lynch, which I dislike a lot.

I don't think mafia has been pushing much of anything, mostly because they haven't had to.

On January 18 2017 02:07 Bill Murray wrote:

hf tunneled onto hapa all game and still

On January 18 2017 02:10 Hapahauli wrote:


It's too early to say where HF will ultimately have his vote after today.

Because Damdred is an inactive coinflip. I've said this earlier. And based on how the thread direction was before the Holyflare stuff, there was nothing else being pushed except for Damdred. As if mafia was comfortable letting that happen. That's no bueno to me.

On January 17 2017 02:02 Hapahauli wrote:


What I'm ultimately trying to get at with Damdred, is that I feel he's been a non-entity this game. The contributions he has made have not been of his own volition, but have been from his responses to people questioning him.

The only thing he's been vocal about is a read on lightning strike (which he made in response to my various lines of questioning during the game). Other than that, his read on me last night sort of morphs and changes with whatever HolyFlare was posting at the time.

The question on you was because I was looking into Vivax's case, which still doesn't make much sense to me.

On January 18 2017 02:17 Bill Murray wrote:
a thought that just made me laugh... what if hapa and hf are both maf ... hahahaa that would be nuts

On January 18 2017 02:19 Rels wrote:
Hapa is a bad lynch. If he is scum he tryharded when he didn't need to. And apparently he's a bad scum

On January 18 2017 02:14 Vivax wrote:




So what you said earlier as if it had any meaning suddenly is all made up cause the guy you had an opinion on became an inactive coinflip cause reasons?

On January 18 2017 02:22 Hapahauli wrote:


Damdred posted quite a bit between those two posts you quoted. My read progressed from seeing him as a non-entity, to seeing him as an inactive coinflip after his responses to pressure and his subsequent inactivity until now.

On January 18 2017 02:25 Hapahauli wrote:


You voted me 10 minutes before the deadline, and now you want non shenanies?

On January 18 2017 02:33 Hapahauli wrote:



Explain this Vivax.

On January 18 2017 02:35 Rels wrote:
shouldn't have stayed at work for this shit. See you later

On January 18 2017 02:35 Hapahauli wrote:
Fuck you. You threw away that day and you're trying to blame other people for it.

On January 18 2017 02:36 Vivax wrote:
Suddenly HF and Hapa best buds

On January 17 2017 22:59 Vivax wrote:
Damdred gets a golden noose with candy hearts.

HF gets thrown into the brimstone pits as the unholy creature that he is.

And Rels I sentence to death by snu snu

On January 18 2017 02:41 Holyflare wrote:


you think our supreme mafia strategy was to withhold hapa's mafia games for him to link them 20 minutes before cycle and have me change my mind on hapa while everyone is already piling up on me to change the lynch to have you magically change your mind on hapa and then magically switch to ls?

that's the world you're living in?

On January 18 2017 02:33 Vivax wrote:
You got totally played by Hapa and HF.

And Damdred too methinks.

And Rels.

One of them is a fool anyways. Let's figure out which one.

On January 18 2017 06:07 Onegu wrote:
Creed is on Amazon Prime now and I havent seen it yet. Thats where I will be.

On January 18 2017 06:25 Bill Murray wrote:
ive never had my townread on someone flip so fast ... 3 mafia? the no lynch thing? him avoiding questions? maybe Rels was right

On January 18 2017 07:17 Hapahauli wrote:
Not trying to tilt you. Trying to get an answer for a very reasonable question. Yes I was worked up post lynch. Not anymore.

IF you think HF and I are mafia, why would you risk a no lynch to try to lynch me, if the alternative is HF (your other mafia read)?

The progression from voting HF because you're convinced he is mafia, to voting me because you're convinced I'm mafia and risking a no lynch makes no sense. Why not just sit on HF? You could have not done anything the last 15 minutes of the cycle and lynched someone you are calling confirmed mafia.

On January 18 2017 07:28 Hapahauli wrote:
A follow up:

Why not just sit tight on HF? HF would have died had you not moved to try to lynch me with 15 minutes to go.

On January 18 2017 07:49 Hapahauli wrote:


Because I am capable of stepping back from the thread, re-reading, and reaching new conclusions from the same information. It is silly to make up your mind about what something means right away, and literally never reconsider it.

You should have been very happy with how the game was going with HF on the block, and for some reason you decided to change it. I do not understand that reason and I'm trying to figure it out.

On January 18 2017 02:19 Vivax wrote:


Not unlikely.

What this game currently lacks is leverage. We don't really have a club of votes to swing at new content cause Slam and 1gu aren't here.

On January 18 2017 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
let me ask you this again vivax




and please don't whine and say we're blaming you with false facts, LS had multiple inconsistencies in his filter that were pushed and ultimately got him lynched, LS wasn't talked about no but neither was hapa being mafia by anyone but me

you say you don't even know the reason LS was lynched and state it was some meek damdred post which isn't true at all

On January 18 2017 02:21 Damdred wrote:
Scrum ls detected

On January 18 2017 02:21 Holyflare wrote:
I will switch to ls just so I can torment hapa some more.

On January 18 2017 02:23 Damdred wrote:
Ls vote on hf is so bad and is scrum indicative of him I think, lure she do for no reason

On January 18 2017 02:24 Holyflare wrote:
##unvote
##vote ls

maybe a bit late but I read hapa's scum games :D

On January 18 2017 02:26 Rels wrote:

WAIT I THOUGHT DAMDRED WAS CONF SCUM IF HE DIDNT CALL YOU TOWN

On January 18 2017 02:27 Rels wrote:
OK Thats cool I think we're hitting scum. Dunno why LS wouldn't want to lynch Damdred D2

On January 18 2017 20:37 Holyflare wrote:
also vivax I want to work with you so please just work with me for a bit?

On January 18 2017 20:39 Holyflare wrote:
I get that you wanted to lynch hapa for his contradiction.
I get that you called us all tools for lynching LS.
But why were we tools when we lynched the person with more glaring contradictions?
Why haven't you re-evaluated now that you've actually seen like 20 posts by me on LS instead of the one from myself and damdred that you linked?

On January 18 2017 23:13 Rels wrote:

yeah 'cause LS sheeping and not doing much is so scum indicative right. Especially to you, who's supposed to know him super well. I hate this post of yours. I hate the fact that you came back just in time to vote. And I'm seeing in your filter that you left just afterwards.

Same dumbtell as last game ... I think this comes more often from town than scum. Last game was more clear and cut 'cause the dude was a newbie. But even then fake dumbtells don't come from scum very often.

Disagree that it's unlikely. It's possible that it's fake but not very likely IMO


Agree

Disagree. I can see Onegu as scum doing exactly as he did - kinda nothing, but posts to say "I don't wanna lynch HF" when HF is the main lynch.

The thought was that Damdred should have been the first to be lynched in LS mind there.

On January 18 2017 23:23 Rels wrote:

I think you're town

On January 18 2017 23:39 Rels wrote:

Yes the reason makes sense and both HF and Hapa could be town thinking it.

On January 18 2017 23:48 Rels wrote:

What do you mean ? You switched your Hapa read minutes before the deadline. You would have expected to say that you're scum this very moment, and not a little bit later ?

On January 19 2017 00:02 Holyflare wrote:
when did I EVER say you voted for LS? EVER?

while everyone is already piling up on me to change the lynch to have you magically change your mind on hapa and then magically switch to ls?

to have you magically change your mind on hapa and then magically switch to ls?

On January 19 2017 00:12 Holyflare wrote:


if you're capable of thinking 1/3 of the game is mafia in a 9 player game then I'm sure as hell capable of missing a comma and making a sentence look different

On January 19 2017 00:13 Rels wrote:
Rereading Hapa's reaction, he's mad at you when he's forced to vote LS over HF to not have a mislynch. And he's saying you're the one responsible for it

On January 19 2017 00:16 Holyflare wrote:
pretty funny the reason you think i'm mafia is a complete error though ^^

On January 19 2017 00:17 Rels wrote:

It makes 100% sense. If your vote was kept on HF it was super likely the lynch

On January 19 2017 00:20 Holyflare wrote:


and that, again, is a reading error which I've pointed out about 8 times now

On January 19 2017 00:23 Rels wrote:

We're talking about Hapa's POV here. And yeah, I was way more open to switching after you voted Hapa.

On January 19 2017 00:28 Holyflare wrote:
now that is nicely cleared up I await your apology and your rescinding of your baseless scum read, good day

If Damdred is mafia he's reading LS town, ergo he's not mafia

On January 19 2017 00:31 Rels wrote:

well obviously since I didn't switch to Hapa when you did, that's not as clear cut as what you're saying

On January 19 2017 00:38 Holyflare wrote:
it also extends my time in this game because you're stopping me getting shot.

arse

On January 19 2017 00:41 Rels wrote:

From Hapa POV, it makes total sense. And it's kinda true too. I think if you stay on HF HF gets lynched yesterday. On the grand scheme of things, OK your switch shouldn't have been the reason a player is not lynched. But in this game I don't think HF escapes lynch if you don't switch.
On that post Hapa says he's staying on HF even if you're voting him:

Then he's forced tro switch to LS. That's where his madness comes from. It's understandable. After talking to you he again changed his mind. It's not hard to understand. His mindset makes sense.

On January 19 2017 00:47 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think you're really that likely to be mafia vivax. I just want to END the fight by trying to get you to talk it out with you. I'm literally sitting here trying to avoid a fight while you want it instead.

... To me Onegu + Slam scum ...

On January 19 2017 00:53 Rels wrote:

It's been explained a lot. That's still why I'm not confident calling you town TBF.
LS says scum!Damdred never hard townread him.
Hapa ignores that fact 'cause it is not a good thing to take into account for him.
You attacked him saying he should have take it into account.
That's weird. But what's even weirder is that you don't take it into account yourself. Or if you do like you later said you did, it's not strong at all. So it's weird that it makes Hapa scum in your mind.

"If Damdred is mafia he's reading LS town, ergo he's not mafia".

Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred

"If Damdred is mafia he's reading LS town, ergo he's not mafia".

On January 19 2017 01:01 Holyflare wrote:


rels called slam scum after me like 3 pages ago

On January 19 2017 01:03 Rels wrote:

Nothing. Depends on why he thinks Slam is scum.

because damdred hard town read LS (which is something he never did as mafia, therefore damdred is likely to be town (if you put weight in meta reads, which hapa does))

On January 19 2017 01:12 Holyflare wrote:
Damdred hard town read LS.
He doesn't do it as mafia.
Therefore Damdred is town.

^ this is all right

Is always wrong when Damdred is town.
And only right when Damdred is mafia.

^ this doesn't make sense after that

Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred

On January 19 2017 01:28 Holyflare wrote:
do you think hapa is town vivax?

On January 19 2017 01:32 Holyflare wrote:
so why are onegu and slam town then? I don't see anything good anywhere in their filters

On January 19 2017 01:36 Holyflare wrote:
no and I don't care

we're gonna be lynching one of those two tomorrow

On January 19 2017 04:34 Hapahauli wrote:


It took you way too long to reach that conclusion. There's this je ne sais quoi about your play this game, where you're being very obstinate about things you shouldn't be.

On January 19 2017 04:35 Hapahauli wrote:
Like when you kept bringing up Haunted Mansion 3 to call Vivax scum. It takes all of a 10 second look at that game to realize just how differently Vivax was as mafia compared to this game.

On January 19 2017 00:45 Vivax wrote:
I'll be honest today is a day where I'm irritated for no reason irl. Could be the full moon or what the hell do I know.
And I'm having fun bashing heads and am looking for a fight and don't use flowery words to express myself.

BUT.

I really believe you are mafia, and that the reasons are right.

Most of the time I have no problem getting along with you when you're town.
But that's cause then, you don't just play your argumentative mafia game, but actually have a clear mind about who you want to lynch and don't waste time baiting shitshows. And you know that I'm prone to shitshows. And as town you know that and if you want to lynch me, you don't spend time being angry at me for scumreading you and setting it right, you simply explain to everyone why I'm mafia and whatever I say doesn't matter or doesn't affect you.

A very subjective coloured additional reason for why I believe you're mafia.

On January 19 2017 04:27 Holyflare wrote:


I can summarise it. He thought I was piling on him after eod for lynching LS which I wasn't, I was asking him why he was calling us all tools for voting LS (it was a badly worded post on my part he quoted). After that was sorted out he decided to go back to his previous argument about my stance on damdred somehow affecting my stance on you. Again, this was misread on his part because he thought I thought damdred must be mafia but never called him that or something? I don't quite get it but he was wrong again.

Now it's for wanting to kill slam and onegu supposedly despite a lot of people in the game wanting the same thing. Go figure.

On January 19 2017 00:21 Vivax wrote:


Yes, anything that could make you scum is a reading error and you simply reupdate your posts with what you should have said instead when somebody points it out.

I, Vivax, hereby apologise to the scum mother fucker cool dude but I'm going to lynch him Holyflare for being a colossal pain in the butt.

Signed

Vivax

On January 20 2017 00:59 Onegu wrote:



Im not but I think hapa looks worse than HF at this point. And I would lynch hapa over HF here. I also doubt they are a scum team together. There was enough lynch bait in this game they didnt need to do so...

On January 20 2017 01:09 Onegu wrote:




Wouldnt need to bus each other with the ammount of lynchbait.

And Feels.

On January 20 2017 01:33 Onegu wrote:



Yet it is true.