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On January 07 2017 05:58 iamperfection wrote: Do not let holyflare become the first two time champion join plz The host bias is real. | ||
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On January 16 2017 04:11 Hapahauli wrote: Your attempt at diplomacy bores me. Why do you like that Vivax drew his conclusion if you thought it was weird? I liked the process of reading what you were doing and making a remark on how it affected his thought on you. It was remarkably high level compared to what I'm used to seeing recently. | ||
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On January 16 2017 04:36 Hapahauli wrote: So do you find Vivax's post weird for the reason I posted out? Ot because it is higher-level than what you're used to seeing? Or something else? Correct. | ||
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You also said that hapa/vivax felt off but then concluded it's tvt? I thought you might have been on my wavelength with the vivax thing (copied from me? Can't remember the time of it) but when hapa did his really strange unvote based on no real response from vivax I kind of got the opposite feeling that hapa just didn't care enough about his original reasoning. The ls interjecting is the main thing really because you don't even have any real conviction behind it. | ||
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Here's what I think: Vivax made a good post but ended with the wrong conclusion. Not that strange since it's vivax. Hapa picked up on the wrong conclusion, liked that he pushed it but then he pushed it a bit too far for my liking and it looked a little bit forced when he unvoted imo. I liked ls's sun and moon video link but that's a shit reason to town read someone. Damdred above. | ||
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On January 16 2017 06:52 Damdred wrote: I'm honestly tired of trying to interact and get on a good working relationship in games hf to just be ignored half of the time by you. Yes I thought the right was a bit strange but vivax responses since then haven't been bad (most have been good). I responded to hapa about my read on ls that's the long and short of it shrug. On January 16 2017 04:22 Damdred wrote: It is interesting as a side note that hapa was interested enough to ask me a question about ls reading but just disnt care enough to respond to me answering (feelings hurt). Really I did like that vivax had a sort of point he wanted to drive home. I disagree with him though. I liked hapa offensive capabilities but I sort of feel like it was misplaced it felt like. Fight seems off to me. What you're saying doesn't make the least bit of sense though. In the post above you CLEARLY liked vivax over hapa and saying the fight feels off (read mvt) and the posts after this one seem to be you disliking hapa more and more but now recently you're saying you liked vivax's posts more and it feels like tvt? The thought process doesn't make sense with what you're saying. | ||
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Vivax has good posts. Hapa aggressive feels off/misplaced. Series of posts annoyed/questioning/responding to hapa. Say fight is tvt. Explain it's because VIVAX (the person you liked) posted better. That series of thoughts does not make sense. | ||
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On January 16 2017 07:11 Damdred wrote: I didn't say I liked all of hapas posts in fact I clearly said that how he was going against vivax felt off. And it did and his follow up questions and answers posts were decent with some nice thoughts in it. So please sont out words in my mouth And this is kind of the entirety of my point because your response when questioned was: On January 16 2017 06:52 Damdred wrote: I'm honestly tired of trying to interact and get on a good working relationship in games hf to just be ignored half of the time by you. Yes I thought the right was a bit strange but vivax responses since then haven't been bad (most have been good). I responded to hapa about my read on ls that's the long and short of it shrug. Meaning that you thought it was more apt to mention vivax who you already thought looked good over hapa who you were having qualms about. | ||
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Because town people generally care about what they think and have thought 2 hours previously. Because town people don't usually forget the person they thought was weird/scummy. Because town people don't try and retroactively defend themselves with lies when their answer is I forgot. Because town don't change their entire story to stop someone scum reading them. Because town don't then realise they've been caught out lying and try to retroactively undo their lie AGAIN! Wtf hapa it's not that hard to understand??? | ||
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On January 16 2017 08:22 Hapahauli wrote: Because... ...the bolded makes sense, and is consistent with some other name typos that Damdred has made over the last 2 hours. (See: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?page=6#110) You switch out "vivax" for "hapa" there, and Damdred's thought process is entirely consistent. I believe the typo, or at the very least, I believe that the typo is equally likely to Damdred fucking up as mafia. If you can read it like this after reading the last 5 or so posts on the last page where he specifically responds to my case and acknowledges the points then you must be mafia. That's such a ridiculous defense on a person that doesn't even need defending and if it was truly an error on his part could quite easily vindicate himself later. The typos in this post you've linked are incredibly obvious phone auto corrects, for example, the name ls is extremely close to the letters M and E. I don't think the letters V I V A X are close to H A P A in the slightest and in no way, shape or form would it ever be auto corrected to switch around. Furthermore, to compound on your bull shittery, he mentions both your name and vivax as two separate paragraphs and points in his post. Two separate matters. It's not a typo at all and in fact is quite clearly talking about two people instead of "mistaking" the names. If it was a mistake it would be one paragraph. | ||
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Carry on folks, nothing to see here. | ||
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His vivax fight/unvote felt forced especially since in one of his posts his whole vivax criticism is that vivax is posting what's on his mind and it's weak accusations but then says we should be posting everything we can. His "suspicion" on me for what was blatantly troll posts but mimicry of what vivax was saying into nothing further about me (no follow up now I've posted). His drive by comments and non participation into really out of the blue defence based on clear phone auto corrects is really odd when he likes pressure being put on people. His whole push just takes the wind out of my sails and shuts down a discussion avenue. Weird post even if it's what he thinks. + Show Spoiler + but his words are nice and he could just as easily be town but shhhhh that's no fun | ||
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But then asks for vivax and ls to discuss??? | ||
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Basically you want discussion but are shutting down discussion topics and not weighing in yourself. What do we know about what you think of people currently? Absolutely nothing. | ||
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1) you are quite resolute in calling pointless 2) you haven't given your thoughts on any person so it seems like you're fobbing off that job to them. | ||
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Thus the entirety of the case (at that point) becomes irrelevant. There's nothing for ls and vivax to weigh in on in that respect because not only have you shut it down in your own mind but for the majority of the thread too. The thing that bugs me is that I'd think a town hapa would ask vivax/ls (what about the whole thread?) first and THEN post that tidbit afterwards to get more reads. I just find it came at a really weird spot when only 5? people out of 9 have spoken. | ||
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Why did you want to know if Damdred was around? | ||
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I feel like you've just copied a sentence about what I posted in regards to hapa and then didn't bother to actually make a conclusion and are making some weird statements. | ||
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On January 16 2017 23:04 Vivax wrote: Before I proceed to sum up why I think Rels could be mafia along with more questions for him that arose from his posts: You said at the beginning about me that I made a nice point about Hapa but reached the wrong conclusion. My point was that his tryhardism felt forced/cramped, and his attack on me was also pretty hefty given it was right at the beginning of the game, he explained why he played like that (just his personal style of getting discussion going). Then you make an argument that could as well have been mine, yet earlier you said my point was shit, so to say. My post about you was entirely sarcasm. I literally said you made a read and that's higher skill than I've seen in most games. Aka everyone else in this forum has been playing like shit. It apparently went over everyone's head. I did like your post about how hapa seemed ready to go and aggressive and I liked that you made it. I liked that point but thought it made him towny whereas you thought the inverse. | ||
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I don't think he was nervous and the only reason his push seemed scummy was because it was based on non-points (which he has seemingly retroactively said was fake pressure but after your fight alluded to ACTUALLY having reasons to call you out sooo which is it really?) and continued for far too long. He was also placated by a boring response which I didn't like. | ||
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I resumed after skimming and saw hapa's unvote that felt really deflated. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://media.moddb.com/images/members/4/3998/3997670/profile/d4c7ed99c07a00c53309d835d78316a8.jpg) You gonna be useless till then? | ||
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On January 16 2017 23:34 Vivax wrote: So what you meant by troll post is just that you replicated the way some people play. Okay. But the content is still what you actually thought. I was kind of confused cause now you said that it was your actual opinion and not just some random bs. I am also confused. | ||
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On January 16 2017 04:07 Holyflare wrote: I like that vivax drew his conclusion, I like that hapa called it weird because I felt the same. That is all. This is a real post. On January 16 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote: I liked the process of reading what you were doing and making a remark on how it affected his thought on you. It was remarkably high level compared to what I'm used to seeing recently. Clear troll post. | ||
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Hapa iffy Slam iffy Damdred still not vindicated but don't hate after seeing the light Rels pending but didn't actually mind his posts Vivax cool Ls mediocre but his damdred lust seems legitimate for now so dunno what to make of it Bm who? Onegu iffy content promise into nothing Shape up scrubs | ||
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On January 16 2017 05:25 Hapahauli wrote: No additional points. That's fair. ##Unvote At the exact moment I posted the meta thing, my though process was "why is Vivax using a thought process that I only really have as town to call me suspicious?" Which morphed into... "wait... is Vivax even calling me suspicious", and then followed "huh. what is even the point of that post?" I post what I think and refine my arguments over time. When I posted my followup vote, I thought the last two statements made for a better case than the first, since the first is just a very biased viewpoint of my own meta. The Vivax fight was absolutely forced. I'd 100000x force a fight while I'm around than just banter about pointless things. Hapa is the reasoning you gave to vivax in the first quote all bull shit made up reasons then? This second quote implies they are. | ||
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On January 17 2017 00:50 Alakaslam wrote: My phone hates me and hopes I never think clearly So what does this post say? Hapa is like me but not as aggressive but the you contradict yourself mid post and say he is actually aggressive? | ||
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What's different about this game and that? | ||
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On January 17 2017 01:59 Hapahauli wrote: Discrepancy between Post 1 and 2 could absolutely be scummy. Though, I think Damdred's explanation is fine. Do you think mafia simply forget what they've posted after 4 minutes and contradict themselves? | ||
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On January 17 2017 01:59 Holyflare wrote: Uh who was saying ls doesn't post links to filters as mafia? Cos he does in one of his games | ||
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He's answered you numerous times I swear. | ||
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yes it's been answered and it has been acknowledged clearly but yet nobody who made that read (damdred/rels) seem to give a shit that it even exists and haven't updated their reads accordingly no likey | ||
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then I hate that damdred/rels KEEP making these lazy meta ls reads that aren't even true and then when presented with new information that should update their reads they don't even bother looking into it or fact checking it and damdred is playing lazzyyyy then I hate onegu's "catch up" but I don't know if that's extreme bias because I despise a million times over people that do page by page catch ups instead of just a summary but regardless his catch up that he's done so far is shit then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred: which I think I hate by far the most | ||
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I know Hapa can write long flashy paragraphs and look good and I don't think it's much of a stretch for a good wall of text player to look all shiny and blend in this way. At a lot of points in this game there's little tidbits of information that Hapa glosses over to make a post (such as the damdred/ls thing) and he just seems to be existing, much like he's criticising damdred for and that bugs me a lot. | ||
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Hapa how come you think I'm mafia when my list of potential mafia are everyone you've been calling out? Ls, you've said he starts to fit damdred's meta of being lazy but never follow that up further and "at a stretch" he's not even in your list of, now 3, mafia suspects. You wanted to lynch damdred for what reason? That he's playing the same as you and that's it? Onegu? Not doing anything? Me? Not pushing stuff? This list of people is incredibly superficial and you have no actual reasons, despite there being ACTUAL reasons to scum read these people or town read them. Damdred there's a tonne to weigh up. Him being demotivated, not doing much and rolling over is normally what I consider town damdred to be. You may not know that but if you're town he's playing the exact same way you're criticising 3 (and include yourself) people for. What made him mafia over everyone else? Why ignore the LS meta read that damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia? Then there's also him just rolling with the thread/whatever I have said, ignoring his meta read on ls being wrong multiple times and the afk excuse that just pops up out of nowhere. None of the above feature in your thoughts whatsoever (maybe 1 does) but you never bother pushing it or enquiring more or conversing with other people. You're not thinking critically about the game, you're throwing out names of people for lazy/low activity/no content and hoping something sticks. | ||
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On January 17 2017 01:02 Hapahauli wrote: Damdred, update me on this. Right now, I'm seeing the bolded from LS. On January 17 2017 01:12 Hapahauli wrote: I think many people would. Is that just a standard for LS? You see that LS hasn't done anything and is being lazy, he hasn't posted more, the damdred meta of ls linking games is wrong. Why doesn't LS feature at all in your reads? | ||
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Hapa on the other hand, his read on damdred doesn't make the least bit of sense. There is no read. He's left damdred as an open read the entire game and still has in fact. Nothing hapa has stated has has made damdred mafia but he didn't even outline any reasons for staying on damdred over anyone else other than damdred is lazy and it's the best he's got. There's plenty of IN DEPTH reasons that damdred could be mafia (or town) but Hapa never mentions any of them at all. Every vote of his is superficial (me being lazy...?). The LS thing is because in Hapa's world LS is doing everything that people call LS mafia for. Hapa has no follow up on it, it's a pointless endeavour. He should be scum reading LightningStrike but has no mention of him at all. Hapa's reads are similar to mine but none of them have any other reason than "lazy, not doing much" which is a stark contrast to the reasons actually in the thread that I have/will outline. So why is he voting me again? | ||
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HF votes damdred early game cos points HF drops points cos what hapa said and afks vote Hapa scum reads damdred for being lazy (superficial as fuck) HF doesn't care and will join whatever wagon to make people do stuff and not having to write a new vote is nice HF goes to read hapa cos bored and sees questioning on ls but no follow up. Sees all crap reasoning for scum reading everyone. Hapa doesn't acknowledge any points about damdred from external sources, says he'll check damdred's meta, switches off damdred onto me for being lazy instead of content. Says I have lots of scum reads THAT HE SHOULD SHARE GOING BY WHAT HE'S POSTED BUT DOESN'T. Realise hapa has no care about any reasoning or posts in this game other than voting for activity reasons. The problem with hapa this game and it's what rels has linked is that hapa is behaving exactly the same and has no real content. Is this what you expect from a guy on the list of townies not lynched (well once ever)? I do not think so at all. There's being a bit lost for good reasons such as being lost in content that nobody gives a shit about changing and then there's being lost because all you're concerned about is voting lazy people and lynches that don't go anywhere. | ||
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On January 17 2017 21:32 Rels wrote: What happened to Slam, your second scumread read ? I'm pretty sure he re-read and said he liked some posts. | ||
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Slam's opening was bad, but I liked the subsequent posts. He makes observations that are matter-of-fact and very self-aware. There's also a huge lynchbait factor here. In his own words, Slam is not a good communicator regardless of alignment Right there dude. | ||
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On January 17 2017 23:06 Hapahauli wrote: On Holyflare: Missing the point. Me and a lot of other people this game have had problems finding suspicious people. Ergo, lynch lurkers. You apparently think everyone is mafia. Ergo... lynch lurkers? Very much not the same. I and others have reached my conclusions based on how lost we have felt with the game. You are seemingly sitting on a trove of information and leads and are not doing anything wiht them. Ergo, mafia. What the actual fuck does Damdred have to do anything with? How in the actual fuck does the bolded make any sense towards me being mafia? I had my vote on Damdred. I didn't' like it. I posted in detail at the top of 26 why. Then I voted you because I'm more suspicious of you. And how do you call me mafia for throwing out lazy/low activity names AFTER I MAKE MY CASE ON YOU?!! You are not this thick as town. Damdred is IMPORTANT because your literal vote for damdred is due to him being lazy and posting IN RESPONSE AND FOLLOWING ME. Now that's really really important because all of that was complete bs on your part. Playing lazy and reactive is not a mafia trait (it's not alignment indicative at all) but that's ALL you had. There's all that information I listed which is relevant, which you haven't formulated in any post in this game, which you haven't pushed or questioned. You didn't CARE about damdred's alignment, you were just posting to post. Nothing looks like you're reading into something and weighing it up, not one bit. | ||
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On January 17 2017 23:34 Rels wrote: This never comes back. It's a kinda weird thing to think, but I could accept town!HF taking that into account for solving the game. BUT IT NEVER COMES BACK. He votes Damdred after that. He talks about Damdred without talking about LS: It is the thing "he hates the most by far" and he's forgetting it afterwards. This comes back in my first post of the day bro? | ||
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On January 18 2017 00:49 Rels wrote: hello HF. Why so mad ? Hapa is scum anyway right ? Because you quoted something that isn't true and rolled with it and suddenly all the lurkers (solely ls) returns to completely backtrack on his original point and vote me. I'm coming home now. Expect sick nasty try harding. My passion has been invigorated. | ||
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On January 18 2017 00:55 Rels wrote: Why should Hapa take it into account when you're not taking it into account ? How have I not taken it into account? In the post I accuse hapa I outline (not clearly at all) about 4 reasons damdred is mafia and 2-3 damdred is town (one of them being his ls read). I left my vote afk on damdred because: A) coinflippy B) pressure is great C) don't actually know damdred's alignment The meta thing is absolutely not a reason to solely town read damdred but it's something to ANALYTICALLY weigh up. Hapa's reasons for voting unvoting damdred are.....? Lazy/sheeping posts and thread presence? Ok rels. | ||
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On January 18 2017 01:08 Rels wrote: Yeah. This doesn't make sense. I don't see how that makes sense. So it's a reason so important that Hapa not using it to townread Damdred is scummy; but not so important that you're not really sure about Damdred. I think you're scum. I think that's exactly the kind of thing we need to get you caught as scum. You're not thinking about the game as a whole. Just applying logical stuff to Hapa, then logical stuff to Damdred. But they don't match. that's not the point at all wtf? it's that there's MANY MANY MANY REASONS that aren't "the thread ain't saying shit" that have would a change on your stance on a person, the LS read being ONE OF THESE hapa mentions NONE NOT ONE NADA ZILCH he states multiple times that he has an issue scum reading people in this game WHILE HIGHLIGHTING REASONS TO SCUM READ PEOPLE | ||
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On January 18 2017 01:14 Rels wrote: THIS DOESNT MAKE SENSE unless Hapa used this "Damdred != LS" argument somewhere then forgets about it when he talks about Damdred. Otherwise WHY CANT HE THINK THAT ITS A BS ARGUMENT ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? He never mentions this argument once. Never discusses anything about damdred. Never talks about anything to do with damdred other than to damdred himself. His reason to vote damdred is solely that damdred is sheeping ME (another argument being that if damdred is solely sheeping me, why am I the mafia?). That's his only argumentation on voting damdred. There are many points in the thread that can make you lean one way or the other in damdred and each of them has some sort of effect on what you think of damdred. At all points in the game a good player, such as hapa, looks at these points and objectively weighs them up, makes an informed decision and a vote. What do we get from hapa? That he's struggling to find reasons that someone is mafia? That he can't see one bit of information in this thread that could make him lean one way or the other one someone? I think that's an utter crock of shit. I have so many "scum reads" because there's so much already information in this thread that people could go on that's already been made and can be used. Hapa doesn't even look at these points either he just accuses me of doing nothing with it while not even exploring to think it's right and then his return is just that I'm "omgusing" him when it's not like that at all because these are actual legit reasons to scum read hapa THAT YOU SHARED. | ||
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On January 18 2017 01:17 Vivax wrote: I can outline one point for why I think HF is scum: He used an argument that must mean he thought "Damdred is mafia and he townread LS so Damdred isn't mafia" against Hapa. And when he used it, it wasn't even very relevant to Hapa pointing out that it was simply the closest thing to a real read Damdred had. you're so full of shit post it so i can destroy you | ||
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On January 18 2017 01:19 Rels wrote: Dont need five. The thing you "hate the most" in this game doesn't make sense. Hapa can totally scumread Damdred without taking the LS thing into account. You take the LS thing into account like it's the Graal. I can totally see Hapa thinking it doesn't mean shit and not taking it into account. But you used it as the thing you hated most about him. THEN JUST AFTER THAT YOU VOTED DAMDRED. Even though scum!Damdred would never hard townread LS like that right. It doesn't make sense. It was an easy cop out vote. it's one point that I disliked in the game the most at the time (like 10 hours into the game)???? it's not the importance of the point and I don't give a shit if hapa read it, commented on it and disliked it and didn't want to use it to call someone scum he "Couldn't possibly think of anything other than damdred doing not much" he has NO reasons from anywhere in the thread to think anything, he isn't weighing up anything objectively | ||
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On January 18 2017 01:20 Vivax wrote: I already posted it one hundred times it's just that it seems to be hard to comprehend. you posted it and I rebutted it but for some reason it was too hard for you to understand so repost it so we can have a conversation because I'm actually here and will be here annoying you till the end of the cycle so cough up | ||
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On January 18 2017 01:21 Rels wrote: I think Hapa is town now. I changed my mind. That's what people do on D1 when they're looking for scum. good for you because I wholeheartedly disagree what has he done in his return? comment on a thing say dingdinding and leave again after you switched? that's called getting the mafia objective done and leaving again | ||
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outline a few key points on why hapa is town for me i'll outline a few on why he's mafia we'll meet in the middle | ||
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I don't think damdred is town because he town read LS and only does that as town. On a sliding scale of points meta about someone is pretty low down there. as I've outlined in this post: HF votes damdred early game cos points HF drops points cos what hapa said and afks vote Hapa scum reads damdred for being lazy (superficial as fuck) HF doesn't care and will join whatever wagon to make people do stuff and not having to write a new vote is nice HF goes to read hapa cos bored and sees questioning on ls but no follow up. Sees all crap reasoning for scum reading everyone. Hapa doesn't acknowledge any points about damdred from external sources, says he'll check damdred's meta, switches off damdred onto me for being lazy instead of content. Says I have lots of scum reads THAT HE SHOULD SHARE GOING BY WHAT HE'S POSTED BUT DOESN'T. Realise hapa has no care about any reasoning or posts in this game other than voting for activity reasons. I've bolded it for you, I didn't care about the damdred thing I just wanted to see damdred post more. At no point did I scum read him or really town read him. here's another bit: Damdred there's a tonne to weigh up. Him being demotivated, not doing much and rolling over is normally what I consider town damdred to be. You may not know that but if you're town he's playing the exact same way you're criticising 3 (and include yourself) people for. What made him mafia over everyone else? Why ignore the LS meta read that damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia? Then there's also him just rolling with the thread/whatever I have said, ignoring his meta read on ls being wrong multiple times and the afk excuse that just pops up out of nowhere. it looks like shit because I fired it off on my phone but it should look like: "There's a tonne of stuff on damdred which you haven't even considered: Town reasons ls read lazy meta openness to do things sheeping a good player lost (you know because if damdred is lost and hapa is also lost why doesn't he acknowledge that?) scum reasons sheeping a good player by exclusively copying their points damdred's false meta on LS that turned out to be wrong but damdred not acknowledging it afk excuse that never existed before but hapa instead has his only reason being ONE THING out of all of those reasons WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY saying that he's lost. It's bs, you can't be lost in this game when there's already 8 reasons for one afk player to read them an alignment I don't care about the meta, I don't care about damdred, I care that hapahauli, a good player of mafia, says that he's lost but never comments on any of these relevant points about the player he is scum reading the most | ||
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On January 18 2017 01:26 Vivax wrote: I realize this might be directed at Rels but. I don't want this to be between you and Hapa but between you and Damdred. And in regards to Damdred you also have made very little sense the entire game. You said that he rolls over and dies as town and that's your only reason to believe he isn't mafia when to me his filter screams a lot that he is, since it's void of scumhunting. Hapa seems to realize that and you don't. Which is a further reason for me to not trust you, but find Hapa more believable. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I don't think damdred is town or mafia. I have seen him do absolutely nothing as town and critcised him for it and THAT'S WHY I LEFT MY VOTE ON HIM SO HE'D DO STUFF. And then hapa happened. | ||
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On January 18 2017 01:33 Hapahauli wrote: Have you ever read any of my scumgames? Like honestly. I cannot imagine that you are this unfamiliar with my scum meta and how fucking awful I am as mafia. I think I've played like 1-2 games with you the entirety of my mafia career and one of them being a game with me as 3p and themed (were you even in that game I don't even know). I don't imagine this is how you'd play at all as someone who has been lynched once your entire mafia career but you're welcome to show me I'm wrong. | ||
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I don't care about the meta, I don't care about damdred, I care that hapahauli, a good player of mafia, says that he's lost but never comments on any of these relevant points about the player he is scum reading the most The problem I have hapa is this: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5XtKijk.png) | ||
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On January 18 2017 01:36 Hapahauli wrote: If you're going to be too lazy to give an accurate read on me, then you're mafia and you should die. what do you mean too lazy to give an accurate read? I can't access teamliquid at work and I don't have internet in my office the only reason I can play is because I take breaks in the top floor toilet and can only use tl hearthstone as a janky work around or like now where I've got home I haven't read filters for like the past 8 games maybe you have a higher opinion of the old me than the new me but that doesn't make me mafia as many people have told you I can be lazy or I can be try hard prove to me that I'm wrong my friend | ||
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On January 18 2017 01:41 Bill Murray wrote: r u calling him boring hf? he types a lot of stuff in the thread but none of it contains thought because there's nothing happening in his head that I can see | ||
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On January 18 2017 01:39 Vivax wrote: HF I read the post where you talk from your perspective but found it to miss my point. The point I made was that you replied to Hapa that he was supposed to update his opinion based on that Damdred/LS meta. Yet the update would only be feasible if Damdred is actually mafia, which you shouldn't know and don't believe. And not only that, Hapa didn't have any beef with the read itself, just that it was the only read he could find. So you also missed the point there. And I can name a difference between Damdred and Hapa. While you seem so intent on underlining that they both seem lost, the difference is that one tried to do something about it and the other didn't. the damdred/ls point is more than just the point itself it represents the thread as a whole and hapa not updating his read based on any other point in the thread about damdred or even acknowledging them (why didn't he bring up that I said that damdred's meta of ls was wrong for instance and that damdred has done nothing about it? why hasn't he mentioned anything about damdred's meta when he randomly metad slam?) and no from your perspective where you think this that would make damdred TOWN. if I think hapa should update his read solely based on the meta point (I don't) then that would mean the meta point is legitimate and damdred is town. I honestly don't get what you're even trying to say though. And, no, two different people that have different playstyles doing things that their play styles do doesn't make each one an alignment. Hapa is known to type words and damdred is known to do nothing. It doesn't make each one doing their respective trait an alignment. | ||
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On January 18 2017 01:48 Hapahauli wrote: I definitely have a higher opinion of you. However I think even lazy-town HF would have looked much much different than what you're doign. if you care then link me your mafia games with a liquid hearthstone filter link please | ||
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Hapa spent the first half of the cycle with 0 scum reads. He wanted people to discuss as much as they could but instead of letting people discuss and possibly get more information he was more concerned about getting called out for inactivity and shutting down the damdred push only to say it's not alignment indicative. Hapa asks pointless questions that lead nowhere and don't seem to formulate into a thought process that leads from one place to another. For instance, his questions on damdred's posts in regards to hapa (that soft defences make damdred happy and then not) don't make sense because it's quite obviously not scummy to contradict yourself within four minutes. Hapa presses this point when the answers are obvious and lead absolutely nowhere (one of his two only "pushes????" in the game). Hapa doesn't use any thread point of views from any person in this thread to formulate a read on anyone. He bypasses actual thread content to then push surface level things (damdred is mafia for not doing much) and ignores when something contradicts that (for instance many people saying I'm lazy and me telling him damdred's meta can be what he called him mafia for). All hapa's points are surface level: his push on damdred/onegu(this is like wtf because onege pushed slam for obvious no reasons)/me all. ALL. for inactivity/not pushing things. Hapa's posts are interspersed with questions that are made to think like he's following up on stuff and leading somewhere but then never concluding anything from it despite the things being scummy or towny for example his ls question of "oh ls is playing to his scum meta now, what's up?" but ls never appearing ever again in his filter. Hapa's inability to find scum despite being one of the best people on the site not being able to find mafia when there's many reasons to mafia read people is ridiculous. Hapa's vote on damdred COMPLETELY disappearing after damdred has done absolutely nothing to change that. Hapa's scum team was damdred/slam and damdred afkd. Hapa's reason to get off damdred is that mafia aren't trying to change it. If mafia are slam and damdred like he thought then how is slam the afker going to change anything and how is damdred going to change that within the minimal amount of hours that hapa had already unvoted. No chance was given for damdred to do anything that warranted the unvote. Hapa just cares about pushing things to look good but not about the answers or how he gets there, see case.jpg for further info | ||
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On January 18 2017 01:59 Vivax wrote: The thought just occurred to me that mafia isn't trying to lynch Damdred. Hapa doesn't want to lynch Damdred. Rels doesn't. HF doesn't. These are the guys I'm wondering about being scum mostly for the moment. Nobody except me seems to do. I'm like an open arms invitation to a Damdred mislynch since any scummer will know I'm supporting it and will try to put as much weight as possible behind it. And that's fishy. And LS looks fishy too cause he simply isn't around. I don't care about lynching damdred. For the last time I think he's a coin flip. | ||
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Out of the fight of hapa/hf he even said it was hapa most likely mafia and hasn't commented on anything since but now it's the other way around. | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:06 Hapahauli wrote: HF, that case is entirely bullshit, because you assume this is a normal game. It's not. Up until this morning, it's been an unproductive snoozefest where no one has been able to do much of anything, let alone look townie or find mafia. What do you make of my push on you? You obviously disagree with it as either alignment. But is the push likely to come from town me or mafia me? I have no idea because I don't know what a staple town you or mafia you is. I'm going by what I imagine a player that has been lynched 0-1 times as town would play and I know you're capable of wall of flashy text. I think all your reasons for voting people are surface level and say nothing. It has minimal pages but there's a LOT of content to go on. | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:08 Bill Murray wrote: what do u mean its the other way around, now? ls is voting me over hapa | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:09 Vivax wrote: Yes but I have offered him plenty of opportunity to jump on Damdred and he didn't. He didn't eat the bait. And I don't see why you continue that line when I just said it's wifom. damdred is a coin flip I don't think hapa is. | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:10 LightningStrike wrote: On mobile I liked you plus vivax's case on HF when I caught up and I also noted how I thought hf was a little nitpicky on Damdred -.- Which I dropped when I completely saw the points hapa made??? Explain why it was nitpicky LS. | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:10 Bill Murray wrote: i took what ls said as he suspected u over hapa when he said it earlier was there a point he flip flopped on that because there was definitely a period he "wasnt sure who was the "s" in his T V S" he called between u two On January 17 2017 01:15 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + Town Damdred: Meta and actions suggest more likely town than scum. Vivax: He had good pressure on Hapa and then later pressuring Rels. Null: HF: Easily could do those stuff from both alignment. Rels: Need more posts from him to get better read on him. Slam: Need him to explain his Hapa read a bit more. Onegu: Only made 2 posts need more posts from him period. Hapa: Would be my scum in the fight between him and HF didn't like the way he had shut down HF's push on you. But is okay but still questionable | ||
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I want hapa absolutely dead because I think he's mafia. I will vote anyone not me as whatever though. I've wasted the majority of my time not looking at anyone else. | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:13 LightningStrike wrote: You were picking tiny things from during a period that wouldn't make anyone scum. you think a player that got caught in a lie is picking tiny things? when damdred even admitted himself it made him look bad? | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:14 Bill Murray wrote: do you have ANY feelings on who you think his partner could be? youve tunneled him pretty hard who is he least interacting with, HF? [on hapa] ls: On January 17 2017 01:02 Hapahauli wrote: Damdred, update me on this. Right now, I'm seeing the bolded from LS. never mentioned again | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:14 Rels wrote: I think he always said he didn't like you over Hapa. I literally linked a post where that's a lie. Please read. | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:16 Bill Murray wrote: yeah i noticed that and i thought it was a fair point to bring up if hapa and LS are a team though why would he make that point? because it's content in a filter devoid of original thought and if hapa is as bad as mafia as he says it's easy to push your partner damdred says something about wrong LS meta as LS being towny now (which I've shown is to be false) and hapa never mentions it again despite him seeing scummy LS and Damdred's ls meta being wrong | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:24 Vivax wrote: No shenannies. I didn't sign up to discuss shit for 48 hours and then throw it all away in 5 minutes too bad babycakes we need you to not no lynch | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:26 LightningStrike wrote: Lw: Lynch hapa or hf day 2 then lynch Damdred. king of meta wants to lynch damdred despite damdred never calling ls town as mafia ??? flips reads to vote whoever whenever?? | ||
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On January 17 2017 05:38 Damdred wrote: Well as long as my death is peaceful. Honestly i probably just won't be here for lynch tomorrow so if we majority on me before I leave I kind of just have to accept it now. I basically have frmo now until 9 pm eastern to do things then i might dissapear until after lynch. Sadly not to have sex with my wife for 17 hours straight :'(. I'll try to find something thats interesting to me but its just not to interesting yet in thread i guess. what happened to this damdred? | ||
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Why did you jump right on the hapa train based on one contradiction but when ls had three pointed out in quick succession we're tools for switching? | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:36 Holyflare wrote: Vivax why was ls a bad lynch and we're all tools? Why did you jump right on the hapa train based on one contradiction but when ls had three pointed out in quick succession we're tools for switching? | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:39 Vivax wrote: I don't see why I need to justify myself to scum. You're just looking to dig up some drivel to cover up that you and Hapa together just threw town off a cliff after yelling at each other all day long. you think our supreme mafia strategy was to withhold hapa's mafia games for him to link them 20 minutes before cycle and have me change my mind on hapa while everyone is already piling up on me to change the lynch to have you magically change your mind on hapa and then magically switch to ls? that's the world you're living in? | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:41 Vivax wrote: Like if you want to get me lynched good luck after pulling that stunt, I did everything right against the sentiment. I'm the best, I'm the future heavyweight champion. the last time you did this you were exactly mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/513523-haunted-mansion-3 and it just so happened that I switched to the right target that time | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:36 Holyflare wrote: Vivax why was ls a bad lynch and we're all tools? Why did you jump right on the hapa train based on one contradiction but when ls had three pointed out in quick succession we're tools for switching? | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:36 Damdred wrote: My time take hot erased sadly by real life things. my auto correct translate isn't working | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:46 Vivax wrote: And to fish the remaining mafia out of them did you just slip is this a slip? | ||
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On January 18 2017 03:05 Vivax wrote: And of course now they tried to play tag team with me and when Damdred even suggested that LS is scum they both snatched the opportunity to lynch him immediately after making cases on each other all day long. Then Hapa tried to accuse me of being hypocritical in that regard. But I'm not, cause I did discuss Hapa and HF all day long. I didn't discuss LS at all, I only mentioned his absence being noticeable once, but I still wouldn't have lynched him off that single observation. So I see no reason why I should see a Hapa lynch as shenannie, but not a LS one. I discussed Hapa and HF for 48 hours. I wasn't going to throw that away for a few minutes of induced paranoia. Actually, no, I posted about the lightningstrike switch first after reading hapa's games because I became unsure. You say you spent 48 hours discussing hf/hapa but the entirety of the time it was you going for the lynch on me the last half of the cycle so you switching to hapa is NOT 48 hours of discussed time, it's almost 0. Please, explain why you were keen to jump on hapa for that ONE post but when I delved and delivered 2-3 posts that were contradictory from LS you called us tools for switching? | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:58 Holyflare wrote: All right vivax is blatantly not going to say anything at all. HAPA let's chat. Did you even meta damdred at all this game? I don't remember you saying. | ||
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vivax's push on me and repeated harping on the damdred point despite me telling him things otherwise for the last 4 hours before the lynch are tiresome and repetitive and wasn't concerned with figuring me out but instead burying things on top and not listening it was quite scummy and then his deadline actions just reminded me so badly of that game I linked (haunted mansion) where he wanted to be cool and complain about the new other wagon as mafia and then call me mafia afterwards (he did get me lynched tho) | ||
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you have definitely not been reading the posts because I've explained this 10000 times, damdred was a coin flip and my vote was already on him so I didn't have to go in another thread and change my vote to someone else and pressure voting someone/at least starting ANY wagon was good you/ls/insertafkerhere I only have time to focus on one or two people and arguing about you was the majority of time so yeah kind of damdred game i'll find in a bit | ||
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the thing is in this exact same hosted game (championship qualifier 1) someone made the same mistake and dumb telled himself town but he was a COMPLETE noob, I don't know if vivax took a dose of stupid fucking moron pills to think 1/3 of the game was mafia or not but yeah it's unlikely I'm hovering around vivax/you/damdred with an outside possibility of someone random and yes you and vivax seems kind of dumb but is it? I kind of like the cut of bm's jib at the moment and he seemed super up for hashing things out at deadline which I really liked. I feel that if onegu was mafia he just joins the wagon on me and gets me out of the way because that's the easiest thing in the world to do but need to talk to him slam is pretty much the same as above I NEED to know why damdred said he'd be afk but then was totally around for deadline and then left again after doing absolutely nothing | ||
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On January 18 2017 03:53 Hapahauli wrote: The DA's office has no internet? The hell? I don't work in the da's office since the uk doesn't even have a da I work in a secure unit that isn't allowed internet for confidentiality reasons | ||
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I don't put any weight (maybe a smidge) into other people's meta reads at all so it's only a modicum of weight in one direction but I at least acknowledge they are there, comment on them and dismiss them or accept them. The problem I have with you hapa is that there's a seeming disconnect between what you're posting in the game and the information presented to you. To me it really, really looks like you're basically in the thread to post things but not to listen and that's why I have such a hard time thinking that you're town. It's a hapa that is more interested with promoting himself and his posts than a hapa that is figuring out something, weighing up the chances and making an informed decision. <------- most important part of the entire thing to take away I see all of your posts but not the thinking behind them and the steps that led you to the next part or the weighing up of facts. | ||
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1. you thought damdred was scummy because he was sheeping everything I said 2. you thought damdred was scummy because he had no scum reads or posts that said anything 3. you thought damdred was a coin flip instead because he gave up 4. you thought damdred wasn't scummy because nobody was pushing anywhere else? 5. you jump to me being mafia because I posted a summary with no follow up correct? | ||
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Honestly I wouldnt lynch you or HF today. I normally stray away from trying to get a read on him early. Because when I do I am usually wrong but when we get to lylo and he is still around I can usually get a read on him either by does he have a reason to be alive and if he does have a reason does his shit make sense. I would lynch you over him at this point and it hurts me to say this. On January 17 2017 13:59 Onegu wrote: I have seen town HF have so many scum reads it was dumb. And I have seen town HF have very few scumreads day 1. I really just dont try to read him until later in the game. My thoughts is if he is town scum have to shoot him because he will figure things out eventually. And if he is scum is reads later in the game wont make as much sense and he will still be alive which under normal circumstances he wont. I have been in games where scum left him alive until mylo and he solved the game. It just takes time for me to form a read I am comfortable with on him. you've also been in games where scum have just left me alive and I'm a confused mofo who scum reads everyone though sooooo this isn't much of a read but a cop out Which makes HF null to me now and lynching him would be a 2/9 chance of getting it correct. And if we get it wrong and lynch a town HF we lose one of the best scum hunters on this site. On January 18 2017 01:14 Onegu wrote: I am here. I dont want to lynch HF. I really dont want to. Dont lynch HF. On January 18 2017 02:11 Onegu wrote: Would let you lynch me over HF. I think he is a coin flip at best and the chance that he is town and wins it for me would give him mvp and me the second most points for saving him. Im willing to risk it. this is kinda unnerving amounts of dedication tbh onegu you're back on The List™ | ||
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Vivax why was ls a bad lynch and we're all tools? Why did you jump right on the hapa train based on one contradiction but when ls had three pointed out in quick succession we're tools for switching? and please don't whine and say we're blaming you with false facts, LS had multiple inconsistencies in his filter that were pushed and ultimately got him lynched, LS wasn't talked about no but neither was hapa being mafia by anyone but me you say you don't even know the reason LS was lynched and state it was some meek damdred post which isn't true at all | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:07 Holyflare wrote: Also I absolutely hate how nobody is talking about LS. (I guess my fault) BUT he's spent the entirety of the first 24 hours of the game doing nothing but waiting for damdred and then when damdred finally answered it's "oh, okay" and then just leaves again until the wagon on me starts and he has to vote somewhere at which point he states he has no idea how to read me. Out of the fight of hapa/hf he even said it was hapa most likely mafia and hasn't commented on anything since but now it's the other way around. On January 18 2017 02:11 Holyflare wrote: Which I dropped when I completely saw the points hapa made??? Explain why it was nitpicky LS. On January 18 2017 02:14 Holyflare wrote: you think a player that got caught in a lie is picking tiny things? when damdred even admitted himself it made him look bad? On January 18 2017 02:15 Holyflare wrote: ls: never mentioned again On January 18 2017 02:16 Holyflare wrote: I literally linked a post where that's a lie. Please read. On January 18 2017 02:21 Holyflare wrote: I will switch to ls just so I can torment hapa some more. On January 18 2017 02:28 Holyflare wrote: king of meta wants to lynch damdred despite damdred never calling ls town as mafia ??? flips reads to vote whoever whenever?? On January 18 2017 02:29 Holyflare wrote: On January 18 2017 02:36 Holyflare wrote: Vivax why was ls a bad lynch and we're all tools? Why did you jump right on the hapa train based on one contradiction but when ls had three pointed out in quick succession we're tools for switching? | ||
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LS had MULTIPLE REASONS to be lynched and there were MULTIPLE actual contradictions. Yet, when you came to the end of the lynch you didn't even want to acknowledge that LS was a good lynch for those, you called us all tools. It was a feeling directly similar to haunted mansion 3 where you went against the main wagon to be a hipster mafia. So let me ask you AGAIN AND AGAIN. Why was LS a bad lynch and why were we tools? Why is hapa's one contradiction greater than multiple LS contradictions? | ||
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On January 18 2017 07:46 Vivax wrote: The reason is simple. One does not simply go from thinking he has a valid reason to suspect someone, to thinking he is a coinflip cause he stops posting. The other way around works, but not this way. It's like when people catch me as mafia. If I actually bother I can appear townie early I believe most of the time, but when I fall off even for half a day I'm fucked and maybe I can buy one more day by putting in a binge effort. But how do you actually manage to believe Damdred is suspicious for something, then make up reasons about thread direction when only HF and me were the other voters besides you in order to unvote him, THEN go on to call him a coinflip cause he stopped posting? Let's say you're 100 % sure someone is mafia for something HE POSTED, then he says he has some important appointment and disappears. Who in a townie mind would then call it a coinflip? How do you go thinking this while simultaneously calling me mafia even though I've been talking about hapa's damdred read being bs for 24 hours? | ||
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On January 18 2017 11:21 Hapahauli wrote: Vivax is town because the idea that HF and Myself are a mafia team is so absurdly paranoid that mafia would never hold that opinion. The emotions post-lynch check out very well with a confirmation-biased, tilted townie. Now that I have an explanation for post-lynch, it makes sense. I hate the play, but I think Vivax legitimately did not understand the possible consequences of switching his vote when he did. That's not outside his mafia range. I feel like every single read you make is flip flopping so incredibly much based on nothing I'm struggling to comprehend what your actual play is because it's certainly not figuring things out it's just jumping from statement to statement without even questioning if it's possible for that player to do. | ||
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On January 18 2017 12:21 Hapahauli wrote: It's possible that it's a mafia strategy. But holy shit is that unlikely. That's just like... your opinion man. | ||
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On January 18 2017 12:22 Hapahauli wrote: You seriously think Vivax decided as mafia to try to lynch us both back to back to win the game whatareyousmoking? Yes? If I was in vivax's slot and I see town hf and hapa going ham at each other I'd get one lynched and say the other one must have been right and lynch them. It's basically a free back to back lynch. People lap that shit up on this site. | ||
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On January 18 2017 12:26 Hapahauli wrote: First post was 30 minutes out from deadline. Next two posts were 15-10 or so. Anyway here are the series of posts he has at deadline. Keep in mind the first post (particularly the underlined/bolded part) as you read the rest of it. He makes a bunch of posts, he's clearly active. Does it look to you like he's trying to find mafia (as he said he would early on)? He just waffles around, posts a bunch, does nothing, and arrives at the conclusion that he'd support a Damdred lynch despite having misgivings on Damdred. That's not scumhunting. Well that's different. You only linked 2 posts before, pretty much the same as onegu but more waffle. Would lynch. | ||
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On January 18 2017 05:24 Holyflare wrote: hapa if mafia is damdred + x and damdred legitimately had to go then why is it suspicious that other people were talking about damdred? there's pretty much only one other person that could have done that at the time (slam was your other scum read) and can you see slam changing anyone's mind about anything? Full circle | ||
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I get that you called us all tools for lynching LS. But why were we tools when we lynched the person with more glaring contradictions? Why haven't you re-evaluated now that you've actually seen like 20 posts by me on LS instead of the one from myself and damdred that you linked? | ||
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If you think hapa is looking more town and I'm still mafia then why did I effectively save him and divert the lynch onto shitty LS? | ||
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maybe it's badly written but you called me and hapa mafia, if you read THE WHOLE OF THAT POST it says: "Was our mafia strategy to vote each other and then magically coerce you into voting hapa but somehow divert it to ls" not "Lul u voted hapa and then ls" | ||
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perhaps that's better for you to actually comprehend: green texts are me/hapa as subjects bold is you EITHER WAY WHY WOULD I BE ASKING YOU WHY YOU CALLED US TOOLS FOR SWITCHING TO LS IF YOU WERE VOTING WITH US | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:36 Holyflare wrote: Vivax why was ls a bad lynch and we're all tools? Why did you jump right on the hapa train based on one contradiction but when ls had three pointed out in quick succession we're tools for switching? THIS IS THE FIRST THING I SAID AT NIGHT. Why would I ask you this if you switched to LS????????????????? | ||
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On January 19 2017 00:08 Vivax wrote: Yea sure now you say it means something entirely different. It's almost as if you couldn't express yourself in your first language. This reads to me EXACTLY how you meant it. if you're capable of thinking 1/3 of the game is mafia in a 9 player game then I'm sure as hell capable of missing a comma and making a sentence look different | ||
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On January 19 2017 00:13 Vivax wrote: Do you actually still read OPs after hundreds of games? I see how many people are in it when I sign up yeh not the mechanics though | ||
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On January 19 2017 00:17 Vivax wrote: No cause I still have the D1 argument where you think along the lines of "If Damdred is mafia he's reading LS town, ergo he's not mafia". That will stick with me all game long cause it's so good. and that, again, is a reading error which I've pointed out about 8 times now | ||
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On January 19 2017 00:21 Vivax wrote: Yes, anything that could make you scum is a reading error and you simply reupdate your posts with what you should have said instead when somebody points it out. no it really is a reading error perhaps you should question your top scum read over something that they state is a reading error and actually maybe update that read instead of sitting in a pit of despair whining about how you're so right and mighty you stated: HF I read the post where you talk from your perspective but found it to miss my point. The point I made was that you replied to Hapa that he was supposed to update his opinion based on that Damdred/LS meta. Yet the update would only be feasible if Damdred is actually mafia, which you shouldn't know and don't believe. Yet, again, I will state nothing about Hapa was to do solely with the Damdred/LS meta. It was the overarching point that I've made about 100 times now that Hapa was not paying attention to goings on in the thread AT ALL at the time and then complaining there wasn't enough information to call people scum, when there was. Now, you for some reason think that I should only call hapa out on this because damdred is mafia in this world? When it actually has nothing to do with damdred's alignment at all. I still can't even fathom how it does. Hapa not paying attention to other people's statements in the thread about his top scum read has no relevance on the alignment of that top scum read. | ||
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On January 19 2017 00:29 Holyflare wrote: I think the onegu thing is the best thing at the moment by the way. The amount of people calling me out as town based on little is at abnormal levels. and onegu didn't even want to call me town lol he just wants the "credit" when i'm nkd | ||
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On January 19 2017 00:31 Vivax wrote: Nothing you mention shows that it was a reading error or that you didn't think which is completely made up and nonsensical when you were just looking for more stuff to throw at Hapa, buddies or not. I have no idea what you're saying in this post. I didn't read damdred as any alignment, just a coin flip. And still do. Please explain to me how damdred's alignment is relevant to my read of hapa not looking at information on his top scum read? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ MOST IMPORTANT PLZ EXPLAIN | ||
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On January 19 2017 00:44 Rels wrote: Why do you not understand ? Vivax is clear on why he's suspecting you. On one argument (Vivax voted LS) you claim he read a sentence wrong. On the other (the Damdred TMI stuff) you claim it doesn't make sense. I get the sentence thing because I badly worded it. I don't get the damdred thing at all. That's what I want you to explain to me. | ||
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but reading his posts it's clear he hasn't read the eod posts from anyone and instead is just lazily pushing that ls got lynched for no reason mafia? maybe not lazy/erroneous? yes | ||
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On January 19 2017 00:50 Vivax wrote: I just have a really hard time picturing my vote being such a big factor in the switch to LS as I didn't see anyone switch to LS cause of the unvote, but cause Damdred and HF called for it. But if you say it's what it must have looked like for Hapa, I'll take this into consideration at face value. your vote created a wave, it turned the tide to hapa being the lynch instead of me but people were town reading both me and hapa and more so hapa at the time and didn't want him lynched and you didn't push your points hard enough I read hapa's past scum games that he linked and saw there was quite a big difference between his over defensive posts there and his actual attempts to question things here so decided on the spur of the moment that I wanted to give him more time to talk. Someone asked me who I wanted to lynch instead of hapa and I remembered LS's bad vote on me because he said he disliked hapa more over me but voted me because of no reason. I delved deeper and highlighted about 8 posts of LS's that were contradictory to what he was saying and organised the switch based on good reasons. now we're here | ||
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On January 19 2017 00:53 Rels wrote: It's been explained a lot. That's still why I'm not confident calling you town TBF. LS says scum!Damdred never hard townread him. Hapa ignores that fact 'cause it is not a good thing to take into account for him. You attacked him saying he should have take it into account. That's weird. But what's even weirder is that you don't take it into account yourself. Or if you do like you later said you did, it's not strong at all. So it's weird that it makes Hapa scum in your mind. Hapa ignored that fact and didn't say he was ignoring it. Hapa SCUM read LS or at least pointed out posts that indicated that too I was speaking about damdred games where he afks as town too. Hapa doesn't take any of that into account. Hapa's points were simply that damdred was afk/sheeping me. Hapa was ignoring thread relevant information that directly contradicted his scum read of damdred and didn't care. There was also more information in the thread to go on that he didn't care about in his read. And then complained that there wasn't enough info to go on. Vivax's point is that I should have thought damdred is mafia. I thought damdred was a coin flip. I don't care about if the meta read was right or not I was caring that hapa has not acknowledged anything in the game about damdred. Since then he's filled me in on his thought process and he said he did acknowledge it but didn't say anything. Which is completely different and he never said previously and is what I took issue with. | ||
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On January 19 2017 00:58 Vivax wrote: So Rels what do you say about HF calling Slam scum? To me Onegu scum looks like the road of least resistance for a mafia but then again, it could be cuz I'm scumreading HF. rels called slam scum after me like 3 pages ago | ||
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On January 19 2017 01:00 Holyflare wrote: Hapa ignored that fact and didn't say he was ignoring it. Hapa SCUM read LS or at least pointed out posts that indicated that too I was speaking about damdred games where he afks as town too. Hapa doesn't take any of that into account. Hapa's points were simply that damdred was afk/sheeping me. Hapa was ignoring thread relevant information that directly contradicted his scum read of damdred and didn't care. There was also more information in the thread to go on that he didn't care about in his read. And then complained that there wasn't enough info to go on. Vivax's point is that I should have thought damdred is mafia. I thought damdred was a coin flip. I don't care about if the meta read was right or not I was caring that hapa has not acknowledged anything in the game about damdred. Since then he's filled me in on his thought process and he said he did acknowledge it but didn't say anything. Which is completely different and he never said previously and is what I took issue with. bear in mind this was 10 hours into d1 and was basically the only thing to go on at the time | ||
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On January 19 2017 01:02 Rels wrote: HF why Slam over damdred ? because damdred voted ls with me and I liked that he did (pretty sure he saw the contradiction at the same time as me) whereas slam promised to do some scum hunting and has followed the same sentiment as onegu about "leaving the good people alive" but not actually taking stances on their alignment. Slam also said not to lynch any of us but immediately was fine jumping onto me when I'm pretty sure I already had majority and he was complaining about it whilst doing nothing. It heavily hints to him knowing I'm town and complaining pre-flip about something that he doesn't want to change to get a mislynch. | ||
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On January 19 2017 01:04 Vivax wrote: You still missed the two points I made: 1) For Hapa, it wasn't even about HOW Damdred read LS. It was THAT Damdred only read LS. Yet HF argued about the HOW, not the THAT. 2) For HF to think what he thought, he must have reasoned like this: Cause he said: Which implies that Damdred should be read one way or another for it. Which HF can only think when he thinks: this sentence you have quoted here: Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred does not equal what you say here: "If Damdred is mafia he's reading LS town, ergo he's not mafia". because damdred hard town read LS (which is something he never did as mafia, therefore damdred is likely to be town (if you put weight in meta reads, which hapa does)) | ||
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On January 19 2017 01:09 Rels wrote: And it doesn't bother you that Damdred had 3 posts before deadline, voting LS who he supposedly read very well, then goes "I was wrong" and GTFO ? yeh but if it's a choice between those three people I'd pick the people who did nothing and called me town without actually calling me town | ||
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On January 19 2017 01:07 Holyflare wrote: this sentence you have quoted here: does not equal what you say here: because damdred hard town read LS (which is something he never did as mafia, therefore damdred is likely to be town (if you put weight in meta reads, which hapa does)) see that's the bit that isn't right vivax because you've read the sentence wrong Damdred has NEVER hard town read LS as mafia damdred. I say that. I don't say mafia damdred has never town read LS as mafia damdred. Which is what you're implying I do. | ||
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On January 19 2017 01:10 Vivax wrote: Damdred hard town read LS. He doesn't do it as mafia. Therefore Damdred is town. Is always wrong when Damdred is town. And only right when Damdred is mafia. So you must have believed that Damdred was mafia for you to think that. what.....................................................? like what your english has really let you down here | ||
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It doesn't matter what alignment I think Damdred is but if you must know at the time it was still, like I said, a coin flip Meta points from me and LS pointing to him being town, the misunderstanding thing he was quite open. The no real reads, hard defending LS despite talking about wrong meta and never correcting himself made me think the opposite. A weighed up decision. | ||
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He's that guy that always points out when people go after low hanging fruit but then those low hanging fruit turn out to be mafia and it was a pointless endeavour because sometimes/a lot of times low hanging fruit are mafia. He's also a lunatic. Don't be a sicklucker. | ||
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On January 17 2017 01:05 Alakaslam wrote: K I gotta go but here is what I say: Hapa and HF agree? Stay the course, lynch target with fire and no shenanigans Hapa and HF disagree? Go with Hapa without ignoring HF. One could be scum, but one could just be proud or even both right. Truth be told, they're likely the best players here and deserve our attention and consideration. If I am their target, well lol damned myself early Finally basically no one else matters for now so discuss so they can work. One of them probably will die N1 so take advantage of them while you have em this is the only thing I liked really | ||
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On January 19 2017 02:09 Bill Murray wrote: Damdred was calling LS scum 20 minutes before the day ended that's LITERALLY why a lot of people voted LS this is to do with the first half of day 1 though | ||
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Vivax switches to hapa and hapa becomes leading wagon. Myself and damdred exclaim how ls is a good lynch because of his contradictions and stances on me/hapa and how ls was voting me. I don't think it's opportune to vote LS at this point UNLESS hapa is mafia with damdred, which I'm not currently in the world of. I think it was just a good (obviously bad with hindsight) call out of inconsistent points. Thing I haven't checked is whether damdred jumped onto the ls wagon sheeping my points or whether he called them out at the same time. | ||
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On January 19 2017 02:22 Holyflare wrote: This is how I see it: Vivax switches to hapa and hapa becomes leading wagon. Myself and damdred exclaim how ls is a good lynch because of his contradictions and stances on me/hapa and how ls was voting me. I don't think it's opportune to vote LS at this point UNLESS hapa is mafia with damdred, which I'm not currently in the world of. I think it was just a good (obviously bad with hindsight) call out of inconsistent points. Thing I haven't checked is whether damdred jumped onto the ls wagon sheeping my points or whether he called them out at the same time. Ah okay it was wayyyyyyyyyy after I already pointed out LS so yeah in retrospect not as great as I thought. Damdred returns, votes hapa when vivax switches. I call out some points on ls and damdred switches before I've got enough consensus to switch. At no point were myself or hapa a majority wagon though and there were 8 minutes to go. A hapa lynch seemed likely with consensus so it's plausible he switches to save but I'm not so sure when the LS points were pretty good. | ||
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On January 19 2017 04:20 Hapahauli wrote: Great. I guess I'll have to read that 55-60 after all. I can summarise it. He thought I was piling on him after eod for lynching LS which I wasn't, I was asking him why he was calling us all tools for voting LS (it was a badly worded post on my part he quoted). After that was sorted out he decided to go back to his previous argument about my stance on damdred somehow affecting my stance on you. Again, this was misread on his part because he thought I thought damdred must be mafia but never called him that or something? I don't quite get it but he was wrong again. Now it's for wanting to kill slam and onegu supposedly despite a lot of people in the game wanting the same thing. Go figure. | ||
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I was stubborn yeh but in my world someone literally just did that 3 mafia slip in the last game (like 1 week ago!!) so I didn't check to see if vivax had posted in there/said something about it until this morning (he didn't) and his wanting to be on not ls and berating us felt very very similar to haunted mansion. The difference being I didn't call him out on his bluff this game. | ||
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On January 19 2017 16:15 Alakaslam wrote: Arrival in LAX! :D I <3 California Hapa as far as I remember I was basically like 1. I have no time and 2. Anyone but HF/Hapa. I expected one of you to get shot and as that didn't happen, one of you is very likely scum as only one of you would be willing to risk the other in the game afaik. Then as I went to vote Damdred or HF the choice didn't matter as once the truck got rolling I lost reception entirely for the rest of the day. The whole time I was in Nebraska, reading or loading a page was so taxing on my phone's battery and my patience both, that I was posting much and reading little. But now California :D This is what I joined for Couple of things really. 1. Why does the nk implicate that one of us is mafia when there's the possibility of a medic? 2. What do you mean "only one of you is willing to risk the other in the game"? 3. Why do you say you don't want to vote me or hapa but then vote me at deadline? 4. Why do you say you are going to find your own scum read but then disappear and haven't even read. | ||
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On January 20 2017 00:59 Onegu wrote: Im not but I think hapa looks worse than HF at this point. And I would lynch hapa over HF here. I also doubt they are a scum team together. There was enough lynch bait in this game they didnt need to do so... But that's what I don't get that both you and slam keep perpetuating, why does there have to be a choice between me/hapa? | ||
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On January 20 2017 02:22 Hapahauli wrote: HF because he has a lot of activity but isn't pushing the game anywhere. The only thing I remember him really "leading" this game is his vote on Damdred early day 1. Other than that, he followed Vivax on his Damdred pressure, followed me on my pressure of Vivax, followed me again on my pressure on Slam with this: He's also being really, really thick about certain things, and I don't think OMGUS explains all of that away. Lastly, I think Rels really hit the nail on the head here: Each is probably individually excusable. All together points to mafia HF IMO. U fooking wut m8? Could that be gross misrepresentation I see over thar? | ||
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On January 20 2017 03:45 Alakaslam wrote: I felt he was the most likely alternative to HF. He was a non-HF candidate that could be lynched. I don't see a definitions difference: And, I believe others are better readers than I. Let me just lay your own words before you; that sometimes town needs to be willing to sheep so that experienced players can pull their lynches off. Sure, you have the most experience here and you wanted to kill HF, but I wasn't ready for that and I think we will see that pay off. Because that would not be optimal. To get in my head a little, you have to remember that I recognize my own relative inability to read until I get a really good one. If I don't have the epic read yet, I will look and act passively scummy. Who the fuck says this? | ||
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On January 20 2017 04:13 Hapahauli wrote: Yes, only when you were forced in a position where you *had* to do something. My point is that you have no initiative. Is this a joke? Push damdred, go to bed, wake up push hapa. At what point did I have to be forced to do something? There was no break between your bs posts and me pushing them. You call it omgus yet the entirety of my push on you had legitimate reasons. And, now, what's the most hilarious of them all is that AT NIGHT you have now completely 180d on damdred!!!! So, what I called you out for that you now agree was correct or at least a better point of view by virtue of you changing your damdred read has somehow been diminished to just omgus! Answer me hapa. What's different between slam afking and not defending himself in the space of time from night to this morning that was different about damdred? You only gave damdred 4 hours at best. | ||
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On January 18 2017 23:32 Rels wrote: This is the scummiest sequence of posts in the thread: + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2017 01:14 Onegu wrote: I am here. I dont want to lynch HF. I really dont want to. Dont lynch HF. On January 18 2017 01:48 Onegu wrote: Sigh who are we lynching? I dont want to lynch HF. But I will hammer if I have to but really really dont want to. On January 18 2017 02:11 Onegu wrote: Would let you lynch me over HF. I think he is a coin flip at best and the chance that he is town and wins it for me would give him mvp and me the second most points for saving him. Im willing to risk it. On January 18 2017 02:25 Onegu wrote: Ok I can do this ##Unvote ##Vote: LightningStrike On January 18 2017 02:25 Onegu wrote: Yeah hammer plz On January 18 2017 02:27 Onegu wrote: Yeah not lynching vivax... Onegu was there. Non contributing. Posting stuff that doesn't make sense on HF since he doesn't townread him, based on "IF HF IS TOWN ITS A BAD LYNCH". Not having a read on anyone else save me. The "Lynch me over HF" is bad too. It comes at a timing where it's very unlikely he's lynched. Seems forced. His explanation is BS too: So his main scumread (me) posts that he wants to switch to him, and he's OK with him ? + the martyr post comes after that: And this: + HF pushing Hapa. So it makes it even mor eunlikely that Onegu is the lynch. Almost 24 hours after me to be exact. | ||
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Calls me mafia, doesn't try and interact with me and then accuses me of doing the same with onegu. The parallel hypocrisy is actually unreal. | ||
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On January 18 2017 02:20 Rels wrote: LS would be an alright switch on the other hand. The HF find seem bad Hey looks rels sheepinf me literally on the same fucking page you linked! | ||
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##unvote ##vote Hapahauli You keep throwing ridiculous false accusations my way and finding out their false and then adapting your argument again to fit falsehoods. All this while not even voting me or presenting a case. Just trying to bury me under slanderous comments. | ||
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Join me in this glorious revolution of lynching all liars. | ||
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On January 19 2017 02:28 Holyflare wrote: Ah okay it was wayyyyyyyyyy after I already pointed out LS so yeah in retrospect not as great as I thought. Damdred returns, votes hapa when vivax switches. I call out some points on ls and damdred switches before I've got enough consensus to switch. At no point were myself or hapa a majority wagon though and there were 8 minutes to go. A hapa lynch seemed likely with consensus so it's plausible he switches to save but I'm not so sure when the LS points were pretty good. Also please refer to this post that indicates damdred sheeped my points on ls. Good day. Here is that shovel for the giant hole you just dug. ![[image loading]](http://www.pngmart.com/files/1/Gardening-Hand-Shovel-PNG.png) | ||
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On January 20 2017 04:56 Vivax wrote: Even if this could be an act, it's fun to read  While I think it has already been beaten to death, the LS lynch happened cause of Damdred and HF I don't see how that is debatable. And I don't see how not thinking that could make anybody scum. HF is Hapa scum or is he in your lynch category? Not thinking that doesn't make someone scum. It makes them a person that wasn't interested in reading back into day 1 eod to see what happened and how. Strange for hapa who seems so keen at solving it, no? Furthermore, the real reason it makes him mafia is because of the amount of twisting he's trying to do to make events fit into making me mafia when there's quite literally identifiable parts in the game that contradict everything he's saying. Then, to compound this, he adaptats his reasoning AFTER it has been proved false to still try and call me mafia! And he's even guilty of a lot of things he's calling me mafia for lol! | ||
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"rels wants to switch" LS would be an alright switch on the other hand. The HF find seem bad | ||
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There's literally no dispute when rels even says "hf's points good"!!!!! | ||
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It's my scum hunting that noticed ls inconsistencies and pushed them at a time that I didn't even need to!!!!!!!! It was my points that then garnered attention from damd and rels! It wasn't until I switched that the lynch beam majoritt and people followed me. Nobody gave a single shit that afk damdred and rels went on ls did they? I switch, i call for switch and people followed. | ||
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On January 20 2017 05:30 Hapahauli wrote: I'll make this easy on you all. a) You lynch me. b) I flip confirmed town. c) You lynch Onegu and Holyflare back to back. hapaout ##Vote Hapahauli Please read this people. Hapa doesn't even care about slam, the person he voted for today. He just went straight to omgus when he knew it was over. Hapa is inconsistent as fuck under pressure. And then he martyrs because it was correct that I was the driving force of the ls lynch? Why? What does he stand to lose as town hapa in this conversation? Nothing. He would gain insight into my alignment that I saved him. It's in mafia hapa's direct interest to prove otherwise and this is why he's pushing it so hard. Vote him. | ||
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You can read hapa's case on damdred being town for a good insight into mafia making a town case on someone they shouldn't though. | ||
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On January 20 2017 07:13 Vivax wrote: Cause he gives a shit. He even describes its colors :D | ||
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No. He quit because the thing that basically confirms myself as town to him is true and he just proved it with his posts and got put in a corner. | ||
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Vote him. This it the majority we need. | ||
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No, hapa gave damdred like 4 hours before he cased me instead. Then when you see his vote on slam today and everyone joining slam he doesn't care when slam can't defend himself. The difference in pushes and reasoning is pretty good indicator for them being a team (damd/hapa). | ||
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Full steam ahead, choo choo. | ||
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For real | ||
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we can't even get enough votes to fucking vote off a mafia guy why bother playing? | ||
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I guess this means he was town lol :D | ||
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hapa could have saved the game easily by unvoting | ||
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 have you been lying to me? | ||
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a) slam is already dead b) you also didn't vote slam later? You also said here: On January 21 2017 03:58 Bill Murray wrote: Vivax why did you vote Holyflare yesterday instead of slam... why did you vote damdred onegu ???? but here your mafia are damdred and onegu: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?page=71#1414 mafia: onegu, damdred so why was that a problem and why didn't you try and consolidate with town? | ||
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maybe you saw vivax wifoming off of me being mafia and killed him maybe bm is afk help plz | ||
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just like 5-10 bullet points? | ||
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don't particularly understand it | ||
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On January 21 2017 22:28 Holyflare wrote: BM why are you telling people off for voting not slam when: a) slam is already dead b) you also didn't vote slam later? You also said here: but here your mafia are damdred and onegu: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?page=71#1414 so why was that a problem and why didn't you try and consolidate with town? bm plz respond | ||
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or because you're mafia? many choices | ||
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LOTS OF people have thought u were scum and I white knighted u all game now ur gonna turn around and try to act like I didn't suspect alakaslam? but you didn't end up voting him? nor did you consolidate on a wagon in a majority game speaking of white knighting me, why exactly did you do that? If your answer is you town read me for my play then why exactly has that so suddenly changed because I've asked you one question about your vote? | ||
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I have seen onegu do things that I've thought hey that's exactly what I thought please link me those specific instances because I'm very curious | ||
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please explain above bm it's important thing with onegu is he's been voting with me which is good and always admirable but he's also hard defended me a lot day 1/2 while not actually town reading me which is insanely questionable... then there's the medic claim a couple of hours before deadline which he expected to get shot for???? like wtf who would do that? and now he's suddenly snap voting me instead of actually looking into what i've been doing, I feel like it's a bit of a low tier play especially when his whole stuff is he'd play harder as mafia with hapa in the game i've definitely heard that somewhere but I can't remember where | ||
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On January 22 2017 13:29 Bill Murray wrote: ugh u have some good points as to why onegu is mafia the thing is for me its not time to answer questions its time to talk about X is my read, no real need to say why, unless youre the one being read as scum for me, hes claiming a role, and youre not answering my asking you for your roleclaim you say im not answering you, well it's a 2 way street and 1 of us looks to be about to be lynched ... not me Vt obviously? I just said I was fake claiming to onegu. | ||
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On January 22 2017 13:30 Bill Murray wrote: basically whoever is town needs me to vote with them onegu is voting you im gonna vote him because i can see him being a doctor/medic You realise he said he was fake claiming and claimed vt at the start of the game right lol? Are you trying to dumb tell yourself as confirmed? :D | ||
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1. I did actual scum hunting the entire game looking for inconsistencies and evaluated them at each point. 2. I was super into lynching damdred for his mistake but was extremely quick to back off it when I saw that it could have been just a mistake. 3. I went after hapa, one of the best town players on this site, day 1 and when it came to lynch time I commandeered my own lynch to lynch something that made perfect sense to me (ls being mafia) instead of just lynching the good player who was mafia reading me. 4. I spent the entirety of the night trying to figure out the game and have a conversation with vivax and hapa while pointing out things I didn't like from everyone. 5. The thread was dead and I've spent all game trying to resurrect it and get you guys active and talk insted of making it stale. 6. I went after hapa again day 2 instead of easy lynches like damdred, onegu and slam (well yeh he was mafia but whatever). 7. I put in more activity at n1 than the last 3 of my scum games combined. | ||
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1. Shooting rels over hapa/vivax both of who were sfum reading me. 2. Switching off the better town player in the game because I wanted to lynch ls on inconsistencies. 3. Being this active even though my partner would have to have been slam and inactive? 4. Backing down on things and thinking it through and pushing logical things instead of hounding on crap points. | ||
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On January 22 2017 19:05 Onegu wrote: I claim VT at the start of every game that doesnt mean shit... Are you claiming a role? If you're not then that doesn't mean anything to bm. Does he know you claim vt at the start of the game? Is he reading to know you haven't claimed? Many questions. | ||
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Then you come in at lylo and say instead of agreeing with me you'll be voting me. That's super opportune. Is your sole reason to go against yourself to have an excuse to vote me? | ||
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On December 13 2016 03:44 Holyflare wrote: Honestly dude, I'm well up for looking into Mahr just for the slip thing, the fact that he's pretty much gone for me all game, the fact that he's doing all this crap at lylo about "Hiding" all his cards??? It's end game what would be the point of hiding. I'm willing to reconsider, sure, but I've only really just got home so I'll have a look. What makes you think it would be Mahrgell? Also assuming I'm town, would you be ruling out Onegu because of what I said or sticking to your narrative? I'm getting these crazy vibes from you bm. Why do you not want to talk to me and respond to my questions? I need to figure you and onegu out and none of you are making this easier. | ||
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On January 22 2017 19:29 Onegu wrote: I am talking to you. But like I said I want mvp and the only way I get mvp is to lynch scum HF... I'll respond to some of your points. I've also got some bad bad news for you because I'm crazy town. It should be relatively obvious to the majority of the game I'm town. Even fucking vivax thought I was town before he died. This also doesn't help me read you one bit. You've spent the entirety of the game fobbing off from reading me, promising to read me later into the game and when push comes to shove you do some cop out "oh yeh fuck reading hf let's auto vote in lylo". You've effectively lied about reading me to escape pressure from people and you are not behaving like a town onegu at all. Town onegu would most definitely town read me here. | ||
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Hard defended me from dying all of day 1 but didnt town read me. Said he'd make a read on me later in the game but didn't. Shot rels because rels scum read him and wasn't under suspicion. Junped on my hapa wagon because it was a non-slam wagon that was started but also didn't town read me still. Not town reading me in lylo. Makes an excuse not to give an actual read on me because then he'd have to actually force fake content. Kept your options on me open forever. ##vote onegu | ||
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If you're mafia lynching me will give you mvp, well slam being afk almost guarantees that anyway but still lynching me is swag. If you're town you automatically lose the game abd can't be mvp and get default points. So the only way you give up trying to figure me out is if you're mafia and that's why I'm staying on you. | ||
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So, yes, the only way your vote makes sense is if you're mafia trying to lynch me to secure mvp. | ||
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I don't believe a town onegu would ever think he has a chance to get mvp by not taking a stance on me all game and not playing mafia and then voting me because he thinks he gets points. I simply do not believe in that world. | ||
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It's a loss loss for me regardless. Cya end game. | ||
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And hapa would definitely get mvp over you and he even voted himself lol! | ||
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Honestly I'm tired of fighting and I'm just going to afk my vote on you because I simply don't believe town onegu doesn't town read me after the lynches and how they went down and my super suboptimal play of keeping everyone that scum reads me alive forever to just scum read them back. A+ mafia strategy. | ||
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On January 22 2017 02:29 Onegu wrote: Posting this right before deadline in case fucking scum are dumb and still believed me. HF if you are the actual medic you are a fucking dumbass for claiming when you did and not right before deadline. You didnt think things through. If I am scum it doesnt matter you claim right before incase you arent shot. And if I am vt (which I am) I get killed and you are alive for mylo as I am guessing I get killed as can scum really chance that I am not saving you? Now you condemned yourself if you are the medic. No reason to not let it play out. I was going to unclaim right before deadline. You just let it play out. No reason to not let it play out. Fuck me HF, you gave us the loss not me. You can bitch that I fake claimed as town all you want but there was a 50% chance this was all VT and scum have to believe the claim, and there was no reason for you to cc when you did. It wasnt needed. And now you give us the loss 75% your fault 25% my fault. Really thought you were better than this... I'm pretty sure this is you slipping I'm town in fact. You even put things like "if you are the medic" because you know I fake claim a lot. Then you realise that you fucked up and tried to backtrack to me being mafia. You then say the loss is on me. All of this after saying you didn't have a read on me. | ||
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please link me a game where someone claims a couple of hours before deadline at lylo when there is no need to and is ever shot because I have never in my life seen that happen, it's the most obvious fake claim in existence the last time somebody fake claimed hours before deadline was sicklucker because he was mafia let's look at it from this perspective, before you fake cc'd who did you think was mafia? | ||
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On January 23 2017 04:44 Onegu wrote: @ BM really all you have to think about is this. Does VT HF make a fake CC as town to get shot and not put himself in lylo? Occams razor is he is scum. Made a CC to go head to head with me and thought he could get me lynched with claim vs claim. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? "go head to head" "onegu rescinds claim" that's a free fucking win right there if I just keep claiming I'm the medic | ||
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On January 23 2017 04:51 Holyflare wrote: bm town read me, you voted with me and have been sheeping me all game and town reading me, vivax town read me what's my plan ccing there? not even true actually you've nothing read me and somehow you saying that you want to win the mvp and have no idea what alignment I am has turned into you throwing suspicions and scum reads in my direction non-stop. so really, what you are doing is making a decision on my alignment and THEN attributing my posts as a narrative to fit that alignment instead of genuinely thinking things through and summing things up that's what mafia does | ||
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Fake ccing and fake claiming is my staple town play and you know it onegu. Literally the last lylo we played together we had this EXACTTTTTTTT same conversation and it was so blatantly obviously attributed to my town play. | ||
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My reason is that I fucking hate this game and the perpetually afk people. What's yours? | ||
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On January 23 2017 05:03 Onegu wrote: you didnt fake claim or fake cc in GIF. What game are you talking about? We had the entire conversation as how my mafia play is entirely conservative (with a lot of yelling, yes) but I don't ever stick my neck out, I don't make suboptimal plays like shooting LS at night in that game and I don't fake claim or fake cc ever. Mahrgell was pushing that me fake claiming blue night 1 was a mafia strategy and I point out that I've NEVER fake claimed as mafia and he got wrecked. Now suddenly I make suboptimal plays as mafia by lynching LS instead of hapa, fake ccing, being tunneled as fuck but easily dropping stuff for no reasons. yet you have no recollection of that game conversation? | ||
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On January 23 2017 05:06 Onegu wrote: I will say something its really fucking weird that BM is just letting me and you go back and forth and not saying anything here... Not weird enough for me to unvote you but weird. and you keep mentioning little things about bm are you keeping options open for if he returns with a vote on you? | ||
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I can't believe it. We've played far too many games together and it's incredibly obvious. | ||
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He's said he's keeping his vote on me for points but then during points he tries to appeal to you multiple times as if it's a scum read. It doesn't make sense. There's a lot of things I've done this game that incredibly make me town and onegu knows this (i mentioned it in the last page) but he's insistent on not even going over it. The rels kill n1 was increasingly likely a combination of medic dodge and because rels started to scum read onegu. Onegu has fought for my life multiple times in this game but never actually town read me. His reason was simply that he's better at reading me later. Now that excuse has finally ended it has become no real read and he's doing it for points. His fake claim leaving lots of time before deadline looks increasingly like a medic bait into him carrying as "confirmed" if nobody ccd. He was forced to drop it because i fake ccd but no doubt in my mind he continues it if i didn't. | ||
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You reference multiple times that you have a reason to scum read me. Link them and I'll demolish them. If they're purely about the cc it's a totally good play to stop you fake claiming your way to victory as mafia too. | ||
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On January 23 2017 05:07 Holyflare wrote: We had the entire conversation as how my mafia play is entirely conservative (with a lot of yelling, yes) but I don't ever stick my neck out, I don't make suboptimal plays like shooting LS at night in that game and I don't fake claim or fake cc ever. Mahrgell was pushing that me fake claiming blue night 1 was a mafia strategy and I point out that I've NEVER fake claimed as mafia and he got wrecked. Now suddenly I make suboptimal plays as mafia by lynching LS instead of hapa, fake ccing, being tunneled as fuck but easily dropping stuff for no reasons. yet you have no recollection of that game conversation? | ||
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On January 23 2017 08:08 Onegu wrote: If you are town and do it and I am the medic what then? You get shot and I get lynched right after? And its a throw. If you made that play as town I will say it is the worst play you have ever made. I get shot and you say it was a mafia shot bait and uncc?? Not hard onegu. | ||
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On January 23 2017 08:20 Onegu wrote: I got it. I just fucking figured it out. If HF is town makes the CC to get shot. Why doesnt he leave his reads before deadline. He kept saying last night he was going to make some big post with his reads and why he played the game like he did. Then fake CC and doesnt give his reads? So town HF makes a play to get shot and then doesnt give his reads? NEVER NEVER NEVER I've never left a read post in any of my games in existence. I was also planning on fake claiming cop, as I said. That's why I kept saying "the game is over, don't worry, I'll make a post". But then you fake claimed and I couldn't be bothered so I fake ccd instead because I'm lazy. | ||
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On December 11 2016 07:09 Holyflare wrote: Also, just for the record, onegu would absolutely policy vote me and afk as both alignments and sl's "throwaway" style is bull shit for survival because like I said he does what he wants as any alignment and doesn't care about his team but rather himself. Maybe read other games before making random sweeping comments next time. I was so wise in gif mafia. | ||
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On December 12 2016 21:40 Holyflare wrote: I also find it in onegu's favour that I have basically given up the game/playing and he's trying to figure it out rather than auto vote me Also last lylo we played in (gif mafia). No figuring out im this game at all from onegu, just auto vote because of policy and then try and make up reasons now bm is back. | ||
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On January 23 2017 08:44 Onegu wrote: Ok you dont make list posts I just went and looked but you do make reads during the night which you didnt do last night. I couldn't be bothered. I was going to make the game easy by getting out of it and fake claiming cop. Deal with it sucker. Any more reasons you wanna magic out of thin air? | ||
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My day 1 was incredibly towny. I made good posts of actual scum hunting and narrowed down the game to a pool of 3 or 4 and had town reads all while being semi tilted at getting scum read. The thing that onegu knows confirms me as town and has even agreed makes me town is that I left hapa alive and lynched ls instead even though hapa scum read me and is an amazing town player and ls is an easy lynch later in the game. Onegu even posts this as a reason to town read me day 2 (but he refuses to town read me!! He hasn't taken a stance on me all game but has blindly martyrd for me and sheeped me). The night kills are all wrong for me. I left hapa and vivax alive, 2 amazing townies that both scum read me. Then last night when vivax finally starts town reading me I kill him and leave the guy that said he'd vote me no matter what and afk? No, that's not how I work. Day 2 I was pushing slam but then I did drop the ball and go after hapa because I thought I had something legitimate. But let it be known that I did question slam! I was also hesitant to lynch damdred all game despite him also being basically a free mislynch if I needed it. I saw towny things in him and wanted to give him more time. I have never in my life fake claimed as mafia or fake ccd amd onegu knows this. We had a discussion in our last mafia game on this exact same subject about how i only make sensible mafia kills and never fake claim. I even quoted it in this game and he dodged around that subject and made up a reason to scum read me (that i didn't make a list post). This was also found to be a lie. Onegu's day 1 interaction with slam reeks of forced interaction. After it's over they never interact the entire game again. It doesn't make sense and was most likely a distancing ploy. Onegu then did catch up posts that were empty and unlike his town game because they said nothing. Hapa constantly called out onegu to give a read on me but he refused and said he wouldn't until late game. In that same cycle when the deadline came onegu was HARD defending me but didn't actually have a town read on me. At one point he even went so far as to martyr. I called him out on the above and so did rels and rels got shot (you ask why not me? I was scum read by two now confirmed town and possibly an easy mislynch. Also medic dodging). Rels was not a likely kill with me, hapa and vivax alive. The fact one of us three didn't die n1 screams of mafia trying to get us to perpetute our fight since we were at each other's throats. On the next day after onegu had made alll those weird martyr posts for me he still says he doesn't actually have a read on me despite: Sheeping me off slam onto hapa Saying I'm not mafia because I'm not pushing easy mislynches. This is ridiculous because even though he says all these things that definitely make me town he STILL does not read me an alignment but sheeps me too! It was a perfect opportunity for him to not vote slam and keep his options open for me later. His fake claim is mafia because either the real person ccs him and he kills them and unclaims for no harm or he gets away with a free claim in lylo and wins. Me fake claiming put a dampener in his plans completely. You can see by his reaction when I fake claimed that he legitimately called me town about three times. Then when I unclaimed he called me mafia because he realised he could use it to push my mislynch. Onegu ignores real evidence that I never do any of these things as mafia in 20 games of playing as mafia but still pushes that he doesn't care what alignment I am. It's quite clear that I'm town to a town onegu but he refuses to acknowledge it. Onegu has 0 game based reasons to call me mafia and knows I'm town. He made up this points thing as a last resort and has appealed to your emotions repeatedly. He is using his populism approach to Trump this game to victory rather than working in the real world of facts where he'd just lose instantly. His alternative facts are lies used to throw shit at me and make me look bad to you when in fact they are provably not true. I hope this rant was enough to change your mind but if not then i totally understand. 20 mafia games is a good sample size to get to know how I play as mafia. Hopefully you can read some and tell the difference. The fact I've done things I haven't ever done as mafia should be quite conclusive but if it's not then the myriad of evidence should be. | ||
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A) I would never let my team mate note vote and get themselves modkilled. B) slam would never be on a team with me and not vote because he admires me far too much (you can literally see him confirm that in his filter). C) i didn't even get credit for slam flipping mafia which is something I'd absolutely take if I knew he was mafia! Slam being afk and not caring enough to vote twice indicates his team mate was afk and didn't care about the game | ||
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On January 20 2017 03:34 Alakaslam wrote: 1. I was not considering a medic so that point is moot. 2.I was not considering a medic so now that point is also moot. 3. To prevent a no-lynch, and what makes you think I wasn't going to vote Damdred? TBH if I had had reception I probably would have voted LS. 4. Because Nebraska has enough woodland and winter storms that this time of year, a phone call has a tough time getting through. I <3 California Slam also acknowledged that their nk didn't take into account medics at all! (well from what he's said). I don't see any reason for him to lie about that though, seems hard for mafia to setup a mistake like that. So with that being said with me/hapa/vivax shitting up the thread and rels scum reading onegu hard, it makes sense for them to nk him. | ||
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Read page 20 onwards in my filter it's obvious I'm trying to figure out the game | ||
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Also you said something about killing vivax because he scum read me but he town read me and apologised for wasting my time. Even said I wouldn't be mafia with slam. And then he died. | ||
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I'll be waiting post game to tell you I told you so though Was nice playing with you even if the ending is dumb. | ||
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On January 19 2017 04:59 Holyflare wrote: Also I think the nk is highly suboptimal but I have a theory and I'll see where it goes. + Show Spoiler + sookrtfoottlpawputaawi Quoting this for endgame points. Slam or onegu killed rels to frame one of the top town looking people and will push (i forgot the rest ). 2/2 counts for something right? ^^ | ||
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I'm town and there's a million reasons I'm town. | ||
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On January 23 2017 21:16 Onegu wrote: I leave my computer on all the time. It stays on. The last time you used this read on me what alignment were you HF? SCUM And, no, you were in a game. So that's bs. And now you've just come back at the time when bm is wavering. Convenient. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + I'm town as fuck. | ||
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If he's town I wholly suggest you give him -50 points. And if he's mafia then whatever, got out wifomed by irrelevant information. Gg | ||
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You KNOW there's a bunch of reasons I'm town. You know it. You even fucking say it in that post : @HF if you are town sorry but I still cant unvote you. | ||
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And you're criticising this all while having no actual read on anyone yourself. | ||
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You even know that. You've accepted it. | ||
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That's literally alignment confirming. Basically a town seal. | ||
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On January 23 2017 22:14 Holyflare wrote: There's no recourse here for you. I truly believe I never fake claimed or fake ccd and that's provable by a game I'm confirmed town in. That's literally alignment confirming. Basically a town seal. | ||
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On January 23 2017 22:15 Onegu wrote: God damnit now I have to go look a gif Im always on pain meds, my memory is shitty HF. I've quoted the gif mafia post like 8 times today. | ||
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On December 05 2016 16:53 Holyflare wrote: I'm more inclined to kill rels (purely because he didn't instantly rescinded his claim and is still perpetuating it). I had the same idea to fake jk but carrying on is bad. Also one of emo/df/Margaret is mafia, guaranteed. Gif mafia. Literally proof I'm inclined to fake cc. I was going to fake cc sl's jk claim but rels did it. | ||
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Rekt so god damn fucking hard it hurts. Im so incredibly obvious town it actually hurts. | ||
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Lynched ls over hapa, confirmed town number 2. Left hapa and vivax alive to spend forever arguing instead of my massive inclination to be lazy? Confirmed 3. Still pushed hapa? Confirmed 4. Fake claimed despite never having fake claimed that I knee of, super duper confirmed 5. Destroying onegu in lylo every time he posts fake meta? Confirmed 6. Slam dying to not voting? Confirmed 7!!! So rekt. | ||
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On January 23 2017 04:54 Holyflare wrote: and you're talking to bm all throughout like he's confirmed town without looking at his posts or doing any digging or reading, despite following me all game and appealing to his emotions to continue voting me because you're mafia and have no actual points | ||
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g fucking g, outplayed by scrub tier onegu plays | ||
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On January 24 2017 02:38 Calix wrote: At least HF actually played the game, lol. I don't know why I fucking bother. | ||
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On January 24 2017 05:21 Onegu wrote: HF come on man you never try to take yourself out of lylo as town of course I do 100x over, why the fuck would I ever want to play a lylo against you and bm? I hate ever surviving past day 2 | ||
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I have reservations with onegu being mvp because he literally just did it regardless of my alignment. He even said so in a pm that he would lynch me if he was 99% sure bm was madia. I think it's a very cheap play and not playing mafia at all to play for irrelevant points. I don't even care about the points. I just like winning. If there is an mvp this game it should be BM who played well enough to not really get scum read and made the lynch between two other people, myself included. He was making a decision and had to read and weigh up points whereas onegu did jack shit. Vivax dumb telled his way to being town read and shut down discussion evaluating hapa and me for a wild scenario that never made any sense. He was a hinderence to town hapa and any kind of information. He should get some points for being nkd possibly. LightningStrike got lynched day 1 and should necer receive more points or the same points as a guy nkd n1 and universally town read. | ||
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Holyflare- 80 Bill Murray- 25 Vivax - 10 Rels- 10 LightningStrike - 10 Hapahauli- 0 Damdred - 0 Alakaslam- 0 Hf - 50 (20?whatever don't care, 40 to steal slam's points) Bm - mvp Onegu - 30? 40? Rels - 20 Vivax - 15 Everyone else 10 apart from damd /hapa/slam | ||
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