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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 16:08 GMT
#663
On January 18 2017 01:00 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 00:55 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:53 Holyflare wrote:
On January 17 2017 23:34 Rels wrote:
On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh and also another game where you were his scummate Rels: Season of the Witch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Damdred
Granted he tried to fake a red check on me at EoD to lynch me but failed.


the plot thickens

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).

this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

Nope.


which I think I hate by far the most

This never comes back. It's a kinda weird thing to think, but I could accept town!HF taking that into account for solving the game. BUT IT NEVER COMES BACK.
He votes Damdred after that.
He talks about Damdred without talking about LS:
On January 17 2017 20:08 Holyflare wrote:
I voted damdred for all the reasons I outlined early in the game and never moved it off him. He hadn't done much since then and so leaving my vote on him wasn't a bad thing. Nothing has changed with Damdred to be honest but in my eyes I see equal (maybe leaning scummier) points for him being both mafia or town.

It is the thing "he hates the most by far" and he's forgetting it afterwards.


This comes back in my first post of the day bro?

Why should Hapa take it into account when you're not taking it into account ?


How have I not taken it into account? In the post I accuse hapa I outline (not clearly at all) about 4 reasons damdred is mafia and 2-3 damdred is town (one of them being his ls read). I left my vote afk on damdred because:

A) coinflippy
B) pressure is great
C) don't actually know damdred's alignment

The meta thing is absolutely not a reason to solely town read damdred but it's something to ANALYTICALLY weigh up.

Hapa's reasons for voting unvoting damdred are.....? Lazy/sheeping posts and thread presence?

Ok rels.

Yeah. This doesn't make sense. I don't see how that makes sense. So it's a reason so important that Hapa not using it to townread Damdred is scummy; but not so important that you're not really sure about Damdred.
I think you're scum. I think that's exactly the kind of thing we need to get you caught as scum. You're not thinking about the game as a whole. Just applying logical stuff to Hapa, then logical stuff to Damdred. But they don't match.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 16:08 GMT
#664
On January 18 2017 01:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:05 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:59 Bill Murray wrote:
On January 16 2017 21:37 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 21:34 Vivax wrote:
Rels hold on a moment.

You go on to disagree with Damdred about these points making LS town.

Why immediately jump to the conclusion that it's TMI afterwards if you aren't sure that LS is town?

I think LS could be scum. I find Damdred's reasons to townread LS bad. Damdred is supposed to have a god meta read on LS. So if Damdred is scum, he's using his god meta read as an excuse to just give a townread to someone he knows is town, even though it doesn't show in the thread.

this is a stretch

you're claiming someone is going to break their entire integrity/pride/analytical ability on a whim in a small game? damdred may have been reaching early, but this is [oops]reach level reaching

Damdred wouldn't break anything if he's scum. Anyway catch up then we can talk
On January 18 2017 00:59 Bill Murray wrote:
On January 16 2017 21:41 Rels wrote:
That's where I'm at, town to scum:
Vivax HF
Onegu Slam Damdred BM
LS Hapa

love how you can read people who have yet to post

id like to learn how to do that

You are in the null row.

yeah but why am i towards scum in the null row ? :/

You are not.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 16:14 GMT
#675
On January 18 2017 01:12 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:08 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:00 Holyflare wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:55 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:53 Holyflare wrote:
On January 17 2017 23:34 Rels wrote:
On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:
[quote]
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).

this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

Nope.


which I think I hate by far the most

This never comes back. It's a kinda weird thing to think, but I could accept town!HF taking that into account for solving the game. BUT IT NEVER COMES BACK.
He votes Damdred after that.
He talks about Damdred without talking about LS:
On January 17 2017 20:08 Holyflare wrote:
I voted damdred for all the reasons I outlined early in the game and never moved it off him. He hadn't done much since then and so leaving my vote on him wasn't a bad thing. Nothing has changed with Damdred to be honest but in my eyes I see equal (maybe leaning scummier) points for him being both mafia or town.

It is the thing "he hates the most by far" and he's forgetting it afterwards.


This comes back in my first post of the day bro?

Why should Hapa take it into account when you're not taking it into account ?


How have I not taken it into account? In the post I accuse hapa I outline (not clearly at all) about 4 reasons damdred is mafia and 2-3 damdred is town (one of them being his ls read). I left my vote afk on damdred because:

A) coinflippy
B) pressure is great
C) don't actually know damdred's alignment

The meta thing is absolutely not a reason to solely town read damdred but it's something to ANALYTICALLY weigh up.

Hapa's reasons for voting unvoting damdred are.....? Lazy/sheeping posts and thread presence?

Ok rels.

Yeah. This doesn't make sense. I don't see how that makes sense. So it's a reason so important that Hapa not using it to townread Damdred is scummy; but not so important that you're not really sure about Damdred.
I think you're scum. I think that's exactly the kind of thing we need to get you caught as scum. You're not thinking about the game as a whole. Just applying logical stuff to Hapa, then logical stuff to Damdred. But they don't match.


that's not the point at all wtf?

it's that there's MANY MANY MANY REASONS that aren't "the thread ain't saying shit" that have would a change on your stance on a person, the LS read being ONE OF THESE

hapa mentions NONE

NOT ONE

NADA

ZILCH

he states multiple times that he has an issue scum reading people in this game WHILE HIGHLIGHTING REASONS TO SCUM READ PEOPLE

THIS DOESNT MAKE SENSE unless Hapa used this "Damdred != LS" argument somewhere then forgets about it when he talks about Damdred. Otherwise WHY CANT HE THINK THAT ITS A BS ARGUMENT
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 16:15 GMT
#678
On January 18 2017 01:13 Vivax wrote:
I believe we can agree that lynching Slam is off the table. Looks to me like he does care about the game.

++ agree
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 16:19 GMT
#681
On January 18 2017 01:14 Holyflare wrote:
rels just outline like five bullet points why you're voting me and don't say you've already posted why

Dont need five. The thing you "hate the most" in this game doesn't make sense. Hapa can totally scumread Damdred without taking the LS thing into account. You take the LS thing into account like it's the Graal. I can totally see Hapa thinking it doesn't mean shit and not taking it into account. But you used it as the thing you hated most about him.
THEN JUST AFTER THAT YOU VOTED DAMDRED. Even though scum!Damdred would never hard townread LS like that right. It doesn't make sense. It was an easy cop out vote.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 16:21 GMT
#686
On January 18 2017 01:19 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:14 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:12 Holyflare wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:08 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:00 Holyflare wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:55 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:53 Holyflare wrote:
On January 17 2017 23:34 Rels wrote:
On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
[quote]
Nope.


which I think I hate by far the most

This never comes back. It's a kinda weird thing to think, but I could accept town!HF taking that into account for solving the game. BUT IT NEVER COMES BACK.
He votes Damdred after that.
He talks about Damdred without talking about LS:
On January 17 2017 20:08 Holyflare wrote:
I voted damdred for all the reasons I outlined early in the game and never moved it off him. He hadn't done much since then and so leaving my vote on him wasn't a bad thing. Nothing has changed with Damdred to be honest but in my eyes I see equal (maybe leaning scummier) points for him being both mafia or town.

It is the thing "he hates the most by far" and he's forgetting it afterwards.


This comes back in my first post of the day bro?

Why should Hapa take it into account when you're not taking it into account ?


How have I not taken it into account? In the post I accuse hapa I outline (not clearly at all) about 4 reasons damdred is mafia and 2-3 damdred is town (one of them being his ls read). I left my vote afk on damdred because:

A) coinflippy
B) pressure is great
C) don't actually know damdred's alignment

The meta thing is absolutely not a reason to solely town read damdred but it's something to ANALYTICALLY weigh up.

Hapa's reasons for voting unvoting damdred are.....? Lazy/sheeping posts and thread presence?

Ok rels.

Yeah. This doesn't make sense. I don't see how that makes sense. So it's a reason so important that Hapa not using it to townread Damdred is scummy; but not so important that you're not really sure about Damdred.
I think you're scum. I think that's exactly the kind of thing we need to get you caught as scum. You're not thinking about the game as a whole. Just applying logical stuff to Hapa, then logical stuff to Damdred. But they don't match.


that's not the point at all wtf?

it's that there's MANY MANY MANY REASONS that aren't "the thread ain't saying shit" that have would a change on your stance on a person, the LS read being ONE OF THESE

hapa mentions NONE

NOT ONE

NADA

ZILCH

he states multiple times that he has an issue scum reading people in this game WHILE HIGHLIGHTING REASONS TO SCUM READ PEOPLE

THIS DOESNT MAKE SENSE unless Hapa used this "Damdred != LS" argument somewhere then forgets about it when he talks about Damdred. Otherwise WHY CANT HE THINK THAT ITS A BS ARGUMENT


??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

He never mentions this argument once. Never discusses anything about damdred. Never talks about anything to do with damdred other than to damdred himself. His reason to vote damdred is solely that damdred is sheeping ME (another argument being that if damdred is solely sheeping me, why am I the mafia?). That's his only argumentation on voting damdred. There are many points in the thread that can make you lean one way or the other in damdred and each of them has some sort of effect on what you think of damdred. At all points in the game a good player, such as hapa, looks at these points and objectively weighs them up, makes an informed decision and a vote.

What do we get from hapa? That he's struggling to find reasons that someone is mafia? That he can't see one bit of information in this thread that could make him lean one way or the other one someone?

I think that's an utter crock of shit. I have so many "scum reads" because there's so much already information in this thread that people could go on that's already been made and can be used. Hapa doesn't even look at these points either he just accuses me of doing nothing with it while not even exploring to think it's right and then his return is just that I'm "omgusing" him when it's not like that at all because these are actual legit reasons to scum read hapa THAT YOU SHARED.

I think Hapa is town now. I changed my mind. That's what people do on D1 when they're looking for scum.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 16:26 GMT
#694
On January 18 2017 01:22 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:21 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:19 Holyflare wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:14 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:12 Holyflare wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:08 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:00 Holyflare wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:55 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:53 Holyflare wrote:
On January 17 2017 23:34 Rels wrote:
[quote]
This never comes back. It's a kinda weird thing to think, but I could accept town!HF taking that into account for solving the game. BUT IT NEVER COMES BACK.
He votes Damdred after that.
He talks about Damdred without talking about LS:
[quote]
It is the thing "he hates the most by far" and he's forgetting it afterwards.


This comes back in my first post of the day bro?

Why should Hapa take it into account when you're not taking it into account ?


How have I not taken it into account? In the post I accuse hapa I outline (not clearly at all) about 4 reasons damdred is mafia and 2-3 damdred is town (one of them being his ls read). I left my vote afk on damdred because:

A) coinflippy
B) pressure is great
C) don't actually know damdred's alignment

The meta thing is absolutely not a reason to solely town read damdred but it's something to ANALYTICALLY weigh up.

Hapa's reasons for voting unvoting damdred are.....? Lazy/sheeping posts and thread presence?

Ok rels.

Yeah. This doesn't make sense. I don't see how that makes sense. So it's a reason so important that Hapa not using it to townread Damdred is scummy; but not so important that you're not really sure about Damdred.
I think you're scum. I think that's exactly the kind of thing we need to get you caught as scum. You're not thinking about the game as a whole. Just applying logical stuff to Hapa, then logical stuff to Damdred. But they don't match.


that's not the point at all wtf?

it's that there's MANY MANY MANY REASONS that aren't "the thread ain't saying shit" that have would a change on your stance on a person, the LS read being ONE OF THESE

hapa mentions NONE

NOT ONE

NADA

ZILCH

he states multiple times that he has an issue scum reading people in this game WHILE HIGHLIGHTING REASONS TO SCUM READ PEOPLE

THIS DOESNT MAKE SENSE unless Hapa used this "Damdred != LS" argument somewhere then forgets about it when he talks about Damdred. Otherwise WHY CANT HE THINK THAT ITS A BS ARGUMENT


??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

He never mentions this argument once. Never discusses anything about damdred. Never talks about anything to do with damdred other than to damdred himself. His reason to vote damdred is solely that damdred is sheeping ME (another argument being that if damdred is solely sheeping me, why am I the mafia?). That's his only argumentation on voting damdred. There are many points in the thread that can make you lean one way or the other in damdred and each of them has some sort of effect on what you think of damdred. At all points in the game a good player, such as hapa, looks at these points and objectively weighs them up, makes an informed decision and a vote.

What do we get from hapa? That he's struggling to find reasons that someone is mafia? That he can't see one bit of information in this thread that could make him lean one way or the other one someone?

I think that's an utter crock of shit. I have so many "scum reads" because there's so much already information in this thread that people could go on that's already been made and can be used. Hapa doesn't even look at these points either he just accuses me of doing nothing with it while not even exploring to think it's right and then his return is just that I'm "omgusing" him when it's not like that at all because these are actual legit reasons to scum read hapa THAT YOU SHARED.

I think Hapa is town now. I changed my mind. That's what people do on D1 when they're looking for scum.



good for you because I wholeheartedly disagree

what has he done in his return? comment on a thing say dingdinding and leave again after you switched? that's called getting the mafia objective done and leaving again

He had a few posts that felt really townie. When he was tilted. Then the joy when I finally got your weird read.
He didn't attack me when I was the easy target. In fact, he didn't attack the easy targets. He attacked you. Probably the hardest target of all if you're town.
His post where he went "IDK what to do I kinda think everyone is town" was townie.
He looked into Slam meta even though Slam was never the main lynch.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 16:50 GMT
#717
On January 18 2017 01:36 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 01:20 Rels wrote:
Slam, your reason to call Hapa conf town is horrible. It doesn't make sense. Even in the weird way you post. Actually, especially with the weird way you post. Someone using logic doesn't mean they're town. That's actually the opposite

can you ellaborate on this? thanks

Wanted to exprim the idea that scum are more likely to hide behind logical fallacies to push their scumread, so their read make sense. Even if they don't make people scum.
On January 18 2017 01:37 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 01:30 Rels wrote:
On January 17 2017 01:28 Vivax wrote:
On January 17 2017 01:23 Rels wrote:
Vivax you are fucking dumb. Reread everything. Then if it's not clear I'll do a post by post defense where I'll explain exactly what's my LS read. But that is so useless that I don't want to waste time doing that. The basic is that I ddin't find LS scummy when I read that Damred post, then I found LS scummy when I finished reading the thread. The end.


Give me a break dude. If you post stuff as you catch on while having a conversation then one never has an idea if you're changing opinion cause you're being confronted with accusations or cause you're absorbing new content. But then it's your fault for posting too early not mine for finding it scummy.

I also reserve the right to lynch you without being called fucking dumb. I don't have any beef with you I just think you're not being townie.

Well now that you know the fucking facts you can stop being a pain in the ass

wow ... calm down... nobody likes this or needs this in this thread

No worries I'm calm now.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 16:51 GMT
#719
On January 18 2017 01:26 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:22 Holyflare wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:21 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:19 Holyflare wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:14 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:12 Holyflare wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:08 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:00 Holyflare wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:55 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:53 Holyflare wrote:
[quote]

This comes back in my first post of the day bro?

Why should Hapa take it into account when you're not taking it into account ?


How have I not taken it into account? In the post I accuse hapa I outline (not clearly at all) about 4 reasons damdred is mafia and 2-3 damdred is town (one of them being his ls read). I left my vote afk on damdred because:

A) coinflippy
B) pressure is great
C) don't actually know damdred's alignment

The meta thing is absolutely not a reason to solely town read damdred but it's something to ANALYTICALLY weigh up.

Hapa's reasons for voting unvoting damdred are.....? Lazy/sheeping posts and thread presence?

Ok rels.

Yeah. This doesn't make sense. I don't see how that makes sense. So it's a reason so important that Hapa not using it to townread Damdred is scummy; but not so important that you're not really sure about Damdred.
I think you're scum. I think that's exactly the kind of thing we need to get you caught as scum. You're not thinking about the game as a whole. Just applying logical stuff to Hapa, then logical stuff to Damdred. But they don't match.


that's not the point at all wtf?

it's that there's MANY MANY MANY REASONS that aren't "the thread ain't saying shit" that have would a change on your stance on a person, the LS read being ONE OF THESE

hapa mentions NONE

NOT ONE

NADA

ZILCH

he states multiple times that he has an issue scum reading people in this game WHILE HIGHLIGHTING REASONS TO SCUM READ PEOPLE

THIS DOESNT MAKE SENSE unless Hapa used this "Damdred != LS" argument somewhere then forgets about it when he talks about Damdred. Otherwise WHY CANT HE THINK THAT ITS A BS ARGUMENT


??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

He never mentions this argument once. Never discusses anything about damdred. Never talks about anything to do with damdred other than to damdred himself. His reason to vote damdred is solely that damdred is sheeping ME (another argument being that if damdred is solely sheeping me, why am I the mafia?). That's his only argumentation on voting damdred. There are many points in the thread that can make you lean one way or the other in damdred and each of them has some sort of effect on what you think of damdred. At all points in the game a good player, such as hapa, looks at these points and objectively weighs them up, makes an informed decision and a vote.

What do we get from hapa? That he's struggling to find reasons that someone is mafia? That he can't see one bit of information in this thread that could make him lean one way or the other one someone?

I think that's an utter crock of shit. I have so many "scum reads" because there's so much already information in this thread that people could go on that's already been made and can be used. Hapa doesn't even look at these points either he just accuses me of doing nothing with it while not even exploring to think it's right and then his return is just that I'm "omgusing" him when it's not like that at all because these are actual legit reasons to scum read hapa THAT YOU SHARED.

I think Hapa is town now. I changed my mind. That's what people do on D1 when they're looking for scum.



good for you because I wholeheartedly disagree

what has he done in his return? comment on a thing say dingdinding and leave again after you switched? that's called getting the mafia objective done and leaving again

He had a few posts that felt really townie. When he was tilted. Then the joy when I finally got your weird read.
He didn't attack me when I was the easy target. In fact, he didn't attack the easy targets. He attacked you. Probably the hardest target of all if you're town.
His post where he went "IDK what to do I kinda think everyone is town" was townie.
He looked into Slam meta even though Slam was never the main lynch.

On January 18 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote:
ok i'm going to try something new

outline a few key points on why hapa is town for me
i'll outline a few on why he's mafia

we'll meet in the middle

Why is hapa scum ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 16:56 GMT
#724
On January 18 2017 01:52 Vivax wrote:
Addendum: It was one of the reasons he unvoted Damdred for.

And it's a pretty bad reason in my opinion given that the wagon had at most three people, one of them with a meaningless vote. So speaking of thread direction is a stretch.

Disagree about that. Damdred had 3 votes but it looked like it was gonna the default lynch. Especially after the post swhere Damdred goes "I'm gonna be AFK after XXX, if you wanna lynch me then go for it". From Hapa PoV I don't think that's weird to think Damdred was gonna be a default lynch that was gonna result in a ML, since he was voting him but was not super convinced about him
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 17:04 GMT
#736
On January 18 2017 02:00 Vivax wrote:
Make it one vote as one of the two besides me was Hapa himself.

That makes the argument absolutely ridiculous actually.

Its not about the number of votes. I also thought Damdred was at risk of being lynched at some point. And I reread his filter to make up my mind about him
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 17:05 GMT
#737
The only other lynch I could do is Onegu. But I prefer HF
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 17:12 GMT
#759
Doesn't convinced me.
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 18 2017 02:02 Holyflare wrote:

Hapa spent the first half of the cycle with 0 scum reads.

Doesn't make him scum.

On January 18 2017 02:02 Holyflare wrote:
He wanted people to discuss as much as they could but instead of letting people discuss and possibly get more information he was more concerned about getting called out for inactivity and shutting down the damdred push only to say it's not alignment indicative.

Hapa asks pointless questions that lead nowhere and don't seem to formulate into a thought process that leads from one place to another. For instance, his questions on damdred's posts in regards to hapa (that soft defences make damdred happy and then not) don't make sense because it's quite obviously not scummy to contradict yourself within four minutes. Hapa presses this point when the answers are obvious and lead absolutely nowhere (one of his two only "pushes????" in the game).

Only things I agree with.

On January 18 2017 02:02 Holyflare wrote:
Hapa doesn't use any thread point of views from any person in this thread to formulate a read on anyone. He bypasses actual thread content to then push surface level things (damdred is mafia for not doing much) and ignores when something contradicts that (for instance many people saying I'm lazy and me telling him damdred's meta can be what he called him mafia for).

All hapa's points are surface level: his push on damdred/onegu(this is like wtf because onege pushed slam for obvious no reasons)/me all. ALL. for inactivity/not pushing things.

Before, but not anymore. He had good points in his push against you. He had good points on Damdred being maybe town.

On January 18 2017 02:02 Holyflare wrote:
Hapa's posts are interspersed with questions that are made to think like he's following up on stuff and leading somewhere but then never concluding anything from it despite the things being scummy or towny for example his ls question of "oh ls is playing to his scum meta now, what's up?" but ls never appearing ever again in his filter.

So ?

On January 18 2017 02:02 Holyflare wrote:
Hapa's inability to find scum despite being one of the best people on the site not being able to find mafia when there's many reasons to mafia read people is ridiculous.

Well, if he's town, you're using these many reasons to mafia read people to push him.

On January 18 2017 02:02 Holyflare wrote:
Hapa's vote on damdred COMPLETELY disappearing after damdred has done absolutely nothing to change that. Hapa's scum team was damdred/slam and damdred afkd. Hapa's reason to get off damdred is that mafia aren't trying to change it. If mafia are slam and damdred like he thought then how is slam the afker going to change anything and how is damdred going to change that within the minimal amount of hours that hapa had already unvoted. No chance was given for damdred to do anything that warranted the unvote.

People changing their mind when nothing is happening is probably more town indicative than scum indicative.

On January 18 2017 02:02 Holyflare wrote:
Hapa just cares about pushing things to look good but not about the answers or how he gets there, see case.jpg for further info

If that was true he wuld still be sitting on Damdred.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 17:14 GMT
#766
On January 18 2017 02:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also I absolutely hate how nobody is talking about LS. (I guess my fault) BUT he's spent the entirety of the first 24 hours of the game doing nothing but waiting for damdred and then when damdred finally answered it's "oh, okay" and then just leaves again until the wagon on me starts and he has to vote somewhere at which point he states he has no idea how to read me.

Out of the fight of hapa/hf he even said it was hapa most likely mafia and hasn't commented on anything since but now it's the other way around.

I think he always said he didn't like you over Hapa.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 17:17 GMT
#778
On January 18 2017 02:16 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:14 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2017 02:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also I absolutely hate how nobody is talking about LS. (I guess my fault) BUT he's spent the entirety of the first 24 hours of the game doing nothing but waiting for damdred and then when damdred finally answered it's "oh, okay" and then just leaves again until the wagon on me starts and he has to vote somewhere at which point he states he has no idea how to read me.

Out of the fight of hapa/hf he even said it was hapa most likely mafia and hasn't commented on anything since but now it's the other way around.

I think he always said he didn't like you over Hapa.


I literally linked a post where that's a lie. Please read.

Yeah I read it after.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 17:19 GMT
#787
Hapa is a bad lynch. If he is scum he tryharded when he didn't need to. And apparently he's a bad scum
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 17:20 GMT
#790
LS would be an alright switch on the other hand. The HF find seem bad
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 17:20 GMT
#793
On January 18 2017 02:20 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:19 Rels wrote:
Hapa is a bad lynch. If he is scum he tryharded when he didn't need to. And apparently he's a bad scum


You're doing it for the third time I can count. You're ignoring new evidence.

what new evidence on Hapa ? Only new thing is that LS weird change of opinion
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 17:22 GMT
#804
On January 18 2017 02:20 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:19 Rels wrote:
Hapa is a bad lynch. If he is scum he tryharded when he didn't need to. And apparently he's a bad scum

agreed but then again

look at this game? it's for "who is the best on teamliquid" in a sense

So of any game to tryhard in, it's this

That's coupled with other reasons. His emotional posts were genuine. Or very well faked maybe. Especially compared to what HF produced right now. His dig on Slam meta was unneeded. And why would he attack Hf out of nowhere ? This is what is bothering me the most if he's scum. So I don't think he's scum
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 17 2017 17:24 GMT
#809
OK let's go on LS.
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