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rep is partner trying to save grak.
calling it now
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On January 08 2017 06:15 Grackaroni wrote:
This blame for this one is not falling on me lol.
Your scum buddies told you to claim doc?
I mean if your town we have confirmed scum in the ohter.
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On January 08 2017 06:16 Calix wrote:
Extremely poor play for scum to CC like that re: BTDT. D1 scum lynch, here we come :D
how long has it been scicne you had a d1 scum lynch calix?
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On January 08 2017 06:17 Vivax wrote:
I refuse to believe Grack is mafia. But I didn't have high expectations in a newbie game. You are free to lynch the wrong guys how you please.
so you think BTDT is scum?
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On January 08 2017 06:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:21 darthfoley wrote:
I don't see the scum motivation for Grack to fake claim because the votes were tied at like 3
But I don't see the scum motivation for BTDT to cc as scum
But one has to be scum No there are plenty of instances where VTs claim some PR for whatever reason
Anyone who claims PR as VT like this i would argue is not only greifing but borderline gamethrowing. Im not commenting further on this matter until post game regarding that specific point
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On January 08 2017 06:25 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:22 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:21 darthfoley wrote:
I don't see the scum motivation for Grack to fake claim because the votes were tied at like 3
But I don't see the scum motivation for BTDT to cc as scum
But one has to be scum No there are plenty of instances where VTs claim some PR for whatever reason Why the hell would this ever happen. Also Grack saying to lynch BTDT after him doesn't make sense from VT POV because as VT he wouldn't know BTDT was lying
I want to see a game where it has happened here on this site
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On January 08 2017 06:27 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:26 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 06:25 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 06:23 Calix wrote:
Why the fuck would a VT counter-claim Medic? That's extremely anti-town given that the Medic would likely die at night. It happens very frequently. Are you thinking this is the case here then? I'm super confused as to how people's first reactions to a cc situation is "both of them are town" I believe so, yes.
Are their mutiple games where this has happeend? has it happened with you and anohter player? what about BTDT?
One game does not make it sufficent to be invaild
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On January 08 2017 06:29 Vivax wrote:
Ika why don't you take at face value that it simply happened? I've seen fake cop claims, fake vigilante claims from VTs. Do you really need us to take you by the hand and lead you to where it happened? Are we all mafia lying to you?
Becasue the face vaule of both are town who are either VT/VT or Doc/VT is so bad that i would be more willing to accept it if it was 2 newbies doing it.
Both players are considered veterans so if they are doing what you think is happening (town/town) i question their skills as players becasue the single idea of doing so is so anti-town and so time wasting and annoying and pissoffy that i would bar them from playing any games of mine and most likely policy lynch them in any game i play with them.
Its not a protown move and is litarly greifing at best.
now im droping this subject untill one flips/post game becasue its going to get into the line of this
Ban discussions:
Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.
and im not going there. so if you would be kind to drop it for now we can save it for post game
now i got stuff to do and im not going to be here for EOD
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On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote:
I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.
Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site.
Your right, its more about those "scum slips" 
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On January 08 2017 06:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:33 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 06:29 Vivax wrote:
Ika why don't you take at face value that it simply happened? I've seen fake cop claims, fake vigilante claims from VTs. Do you really need us to take you by the hand and lead you to where it happened? Are we all mafia lying to you? Becasue the face vaule of both are town who are either VT/VT or Doc/VT is so bad that i would be more willing to accept it if it was 2 newbies doing it. Both players are considered veterans so if they are doing what you think is happening (town/town) i question their skills as players becasue the single idea of doing so is so anti-town and so time wasting and annoying and pissoffy that i would bar them from playing any games of mine and most likely policy lynch them in any game i play with them. Its not a protown move and is litarly greifing at best. now im droping this subject untill one flips/post game becasue its going to get into the line of this Ban discussions:
Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game. and im not going there. so if you would be kind to drop it for now we can save it for post game now i got stuff to do and im not going to be here for EOD I think you are overrating the veteran thingy. Calix has played not even a year here and is considered veteran. What I want to say is that veteran in this game only means that someone has played mroe than three newbie games, not necessarily that he's a mafia professional.
maybe so. but doesnt change what i will say/how i feel about it
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On January 08 2017 06:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:38 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 06:34 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote:
I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.
Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site. I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something. I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor. As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town. No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM. Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah. I'd rather clear shit up right now. Yes and spend the next two days on autopilot, and worst case they both flip town and town accomplished nothing besides mislynching the doctor while mafia can focus on picking off targets for their play and not their role. In all bluntess: Your plan sucks
And in all bluntness: leaving them is jsut a battle of WIFOM that will clog the entire thread day 2 onward untill they do get resloved
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On January 08 2017 06:43 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:40 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:38 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 06:34 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote:
I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.
Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site. I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something. I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor. As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town. No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM. Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah. I'd rather clear shit up right now. Yes and spend the next two days on autopilot, and worst case they both flip town and town accomplished nothing besides mislynching the doctor while mafia can focus on picking off targets for their play and not their role. In all bluntess: Your plan sucks Obviously we wouldn't just focus on those two for two days, that's burning time. But there is no way that both of them can be allowed to live and disrupt discussion. Optimal play is to lynch the guy who got cc'd. That much is clear to me. If he's the real medic then we'll go from there and I'll try to keep the weird "woo VTs cc all the time" argument that you guys seem to be using in mind but as it stands, I cannot fathom how fucking bad a play that is for VT to do.
Oh trust me, if both are VTs (or even one of them and other is doc) there will be an uproar coming from me post game.
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On January 08 2017 06:46 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:45 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 06:43 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 06:40 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:38 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 06:34 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote:
I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.
Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site. I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something. I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor. As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town. No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM. Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah. I'd rather clear shit up right now. Yes and spend the next two days on autopilot, and worst case they both flip town and town accomplished nothing besides mislynching the doctor while mafia can focus on picking off targets for their play and not their role. In all bluntess: Your plan sucks Obviously we wouldn't just focus on those two for two days, that's burning time. But there is no way that both of them can be allowed to live and disrupt discussion. Optimal play is to lynch the guy who got cc'd. That much is clear to me. If he's the real medic then we'll go from there and I'll try to keep the weird "woo VTs cc all the time" argument that you guys seem to be using in mind but as it stands, I cannot fathom how fucking bad a play that is for VT to do. Oh trust me, if both are VTs (or even one of them and other is doc) there will be an uproar coming from me post game. You know it's bad when I actually agree with you, lol.
bad is the understatemnt. Silverwolf would be wanting somoens head on a platter if its the case
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On January 08 2017 09:42 Kmatt wrote:
Yeah we have an active PR in either a cop or vet, if you have something to say might as well get it out there.
its cop or vig....
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On January 08 2017 09:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 09:35 B0stonSC wrote:
Why not post your tinfoil theory now? We witnessed some animosity at the beginning of the game between Calix and BTDT but I don't know what it was all about. Either way it could be they're scum together and btdt thought he could trade himself for a townie, thereby throwing the game but with some drawbacks for town as well, as a means of payback for whatever his issue with Calix is. Either way it is what it is, a tinfoil theory and if I decide to lock in Calix as mafia, it's not going to be for this reason. I'm just using my imagination.
i would peg her more as scum due to the fact she has been passive for most of the game. Last game she was a doctor and was super agressive.
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On January 08 2017 08:59 Grackaroni wrote:
For my first and final act as confirmed town:
I demand a comprehensive town case on Silverwolf from ika.
IMG
The BURDEN OF PROOF has passed to you, my friend. No more excuses! Will you heed the call?
lol.
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anyway, beentheredonethat is scum at this point.
ill go read the thread again in a bit.
viax do you still think BTDT is town?
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On January 08 2017 09:15 darthfoley wrote:
Also town points to Kmatt and Vivax for actually giving a fuck about this flip
i dont give town points for reaction to a flip
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On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote:
Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him.
I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again"
I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read
/end rant
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On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 12:33 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote:
Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him. I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again" I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read /end rant You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, 1) for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies. 2)But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them. 3) Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer. 4)But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported.
1) how do i know you are town? i dont
2) it makes little sense FMPOV to have someone as null but question the person who is slight scum reading them. Your post give implications that you had a town read on me so no misrepresntation
3) what question? if you quote it i will gladly answer it.
4) plz read my post before you even try to take that high ground cus i said and quote
I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read
I accepted i was wrong already but grack is equal blame.
On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote:
I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:
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Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask.
Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that.
Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely.[/QUOTE]
He called both of us town.
there is no friendship bias. if you want a reason why i town read her i can make a post about it.
whats your read on em and silverwolf right now though?
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