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On January 08 2017 05:27 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:24 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:22 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:20 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote:
About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote:
The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote:
Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But that's not the same thing. Boston said literally that he's low activity because it's under the week. He ALSO said that he'd be playing on the weekend, ESPECIALLY since he enjoys playing the game so much. But he's not doing so. I'm calling him out on that mainly to summon him to the thread if he's lurking but apparently that's not working. Maybe he's just out because it's saturday evening with some friends and having a beer or two. KSC on the other hand is definitely the guy to simply not give a fuck about what's going on as either alignment tbh. Like, if you say "i should be there" but aren't, I think that's fair and square and NAI, but if you say "I LOVE the game and I WILL BE THERE ON THE WEEKEND AND PLAY" and then there's no word on you - that's not cool. However by now he should be there and as active and outspoken as he promised so I assume him not being there is actually legit. hmm there must be a whole in mny thinking somewhere. Boston legit said that he wouldn't be around until 2hrs before EOD iirc. Again, you are not reading the thread closely and this is on the guy you made a literal ISO on. Not denying that. Catching up is a lot of work, and limiting myself to reading is boring, so I try to pick away at things. That has the advantage that it also gets other people to think (such as you) which again provides content to the game and makes people more readable. What's an ISO? Also you're too focused on activity. See the post I did to darthfoley and think about what I said there, I still think there are valid points. ISO can either mean a filter or someone commenting on every single post that someone has made (this is bad). lol at you, the person who has spent a lot of time talking about his own activity, Boston's activity, etc calling me too focused on activity xD I don't think I have been tbh. Your wording still pings me ("pick away at things" in this incident) - it sounds opportunistic imo.
Opportunistic would mean that I do what everyone does which I clearly do not do. I pretty much hit in any direction right now. Also yes, I have talked about activity but mainly because you calling my entry shit made me explain additional stuff about it. This is again borderline close to throwing shit on each other so let's stop it here.
So would you now please go and read the posts I quoted to darthfoley instead of bantering around?
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On January 08 2017 05:25 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:25 Vivax wrote:
I'd lynch Kelsier, Boston or ME today.
I dislike that BTDT tried to give Kelsier such an easy townread and then made a case on Boston though. Could be scum who's trying to take the lynch off Kelsier cause I really don't see what makes him so townie. But it's just an unfounded theory for now. Makes it even more tempting to lynch Kelsier though. You shouldn't put too much weight on a townread that I made based on the very first post that Kelsier did in the game.
Then I wonder why you made the read
1) based on his first post of the game
2) if we shouldn't put weight on it, why make it?
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On January 08 2017 05:29 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:29 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 05:25 beentheredonethat wrote:
Is there a case on Grack somewhere? I was going to make one, but I did not feel it could compete with your case against B0. My case against B0 is shit, only the explanations I made afterwards add value to it IMHO. Are you pocketing me here or what
Surely it could be shit. But the emboldening of my own words convinced me. This quote right here: "B0stonSC on the other hand makes a big deal out of his activity, and his posts hold very little objective value."
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On January 08 2017 05:21 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote:
About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote:
The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote:
Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But okay. That's like one weakness in my case. Okay, point taken. What about the rest: Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:17 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:13 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote:
About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote:
The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote:
Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I do not think activity is AI. When it comes to low activity such as my self I try to be as substantive as possible to make up for it. B0stonSC on the other hand makes a big deal out of his activity, and his posts hold very little objective value. Thank you for presenting your views. I still hold the belief that Grack's intent to blow conversations up and to prevent people from making any progress on leads makes me feel like he is scum. I would say bad town play if he was a newbie, but he is on the veterans list. That's a major pain point. Yes, activity isn't always AI (although I think rule of thumb the more active a guy is the higher the chance of him flipping town is) but the way he's playing around his activity ("I'M HERE, I'M PLAYING, I'M JUST NOT ACTIVE BECAUSE IT'S NOT WEEKEND") is really weird. Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:15 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:11 Calix wrote:
Is it bad that reading BTDT's giant case makes me less sure that Boston is scum? BTDT doesn't point out the same things that I did, I think some of the things he said aren't scum-indicative and the only new (valid) point that BTDT brings to the table is with the last part. To be fair, I don't know the exact reasons why you scumread him. But to be even more fair, I'm not too confident in my first points myself. However, reading this filter overall gives me a feeling of dodgy, lurky scum that is overexplaining things and overjustifying reads. Also, when called out (Onegu vote), he backs off. That's basically a TL;DR of what I really think but as I simply quoted his filter, I felt like I had to quote posts and explain why they are scummy.
These ones, Calix. Because activity is one aspect of the things I'm saying about Boston, here are other things I say. Let's discuss the case so we can either lynch the person or dismiss the case as bad. I am still confident in that read (also because it's a very easy read tbh which makes it dangerous)
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On January 08 2017 05:32 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:27 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:24 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:22 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:20 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote:
About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote:
The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote:
Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But that's not the same thing. Boston said literally that he's low activity because it's under the week. He ALSO said that he'd be playing on the weekend, ESPECIALLY since he enjoys playing the game so much. But he's not doing so. I'm calling him out on that mainly to summon him to the thread if he's lurking but apparently that's not working. Maybe he's just out because it's saturday evening with some friends and having a beer or two. KSC on the other hand is definitely the guy to simply not give a fuck about what's going on as either alignment tbh. Like, if you say "i should be there" but aren't, I think that's fair and square and NAI, but if you say "I LOVE the game and I WILL BE THERE ON THE WEEKEND AND PLAY" and then there's no word on you - that's not cool. However by now he should be there and as active and outspoken as he promised so I assume him not being there is actually legit. hmm there must be a whole in mny thinking somewhere. Boston legit said that he wouldn't be around until 2hrs before EOD iirc. Again, you are not reading the thread closely and this is on the guy you made a literal ISO on. Not denying that. Catching up is a lot of work, and limiting myself to reading is boring, so I try to pick away at things. That has the advantage that it also gets other people to think (such as you) which again provides content to the game and makes people more readable. What's an ISO? Also you're too focused on activity. See the post I did to darthfoley and think about what I said there, I still think there are valid points. ISO can either mean a filter or someone commenting on every single post that someone has made (this is bad). lol at you, the person who has spent a lot of time talking about his own activity, Boston's activity, etc calling me too focused on activity xD I don't think I have been tbh. Your wording still pings me ("pick away at things" in this incident) - it sounds opportunistic imo. Opportunistic would mean that I do what everyone does which I clearly do not do. I pretty much hit in any direction right now. Also yes, I have talked about activity but mainly because you calling my entry shit made me explain additional stuff about it. This is again borderline close to throwing shit on each other so let's stop it here. So would you now please go and read the posts I quoted to darthfoley instead of bantering around?
Which posts are you talking about?
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On January 08 2017 05:32 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:25 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:25 Vivax wrote:
I'd lynch Kelsier, Boston or ME today.
I dislike that BTDT tried to give Kelsier such an easy townread and then made a case on Boston though. Could be scum who's trying to take the lynch off Kelsier cause I really don't see what makes him so townie. But it's just an unfounded theory for now. Makes it even more tempting to lynch Kelsier though. You shouldn't put too much weight on a townread that I made based on the very first post that Kelsier did in the game. Then I wonder why you made the read 1) based on his first post of the game 2) if we shouldn't put weight on it, why make it?
Because it was simply the first thing I thought when I read that post. I thought "Oh, KSC rolled town".
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On January 08 2017 05:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:
@Vivax-Why is Grackaroni town? I don't see anything, since he's come back to the thread to make me think he's trying to move the game forward. If anything, he's continuing to pick fights with ika and complaining about it. Reading his filter, I don't see anything that makes me want to give him a townread. No strong pushes, no strong reads, constant arguing with one of his townreads. What am I missing? It's very subjective but he's the only one who stood up for me when he didn't have any reason to if he were mafia. And I can totally understand his frustration when dealing with you and ika cause I've been through that too.
So....
Because he town reads you and defend you he is town?
As for the later, hes still not doing anything and even now im calling him out on it. I have not fought with him and are instead trying to get him to do shit but he refuses
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On January 08 2017 05:30 reps)squishy wrote:
##unvote
##vote: B0stonSC
This gives me a real uneasy feeling that you are trying to swing the lynch off Grackaroni.
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On January 08 2017 05:34 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:32 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:27 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:24 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:22 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:20 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: [quote] This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: [quote] Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: [quote] There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: [quote] Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: [quote] The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... [quote] Yeah now it's weekend where are you [quote] I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But that's not the same thing. Boston said literally that he's low activity because it's under the week. He ALSO said that he'd be playing on the weekend, ESPECIALLY since he enjoys playing the game so much. But he's not doing so. I'm calling him out on that mainly to summon him to the thread if he's lurking but apparently that's not working. Maybe he's just out because it's saturday evening with some friends and having a beer or two. KSC on the other hand is definitely the guy to simply not give a fuck about what's going on as either alignment tbh. Like, if you say "i should be there" but aren't, I think that's fair and square and NAI, but if you say "I LOVE the game and I WILL BE THERE ON THE WEEKEND AND PLAY" and then there's no word on you - that's not cool. However by now he should be there and as active and outspoken as he promised so I assume him not being there is actually legit. hmm there must be a whole in mny thinking somewhere. Boston legit said that he wouldn't be around until 2hrs before EOD iirc. Again, you are not reading the thread closely and this is on the guy you made a literal ISO on. Not denying that. Catching up is a lot of work, and limiting myself to reading is boring, so I try to pick away at things. That has the advantage that it also gets other people to think (such as you) which again provides content to the game and makes people more readable. What's an ISO? Also you're too focused on activity. See the post I did to darthfoley and think about what I said there, I still think there are valid points. ISO can either mean a filter or someone commenting on every single post that someone has made (this is bad). lol at you, the person who has spent a lot of time talking about his own activity, Boston's activity, etc calling me too focused on activity xD I don't think I have been tbh. Your wording still pings me ("pick away at things" in this incident) - it sounds opportunistic imo. Opportunistic would mean that I do what everyone does which I clearly do not do. I pretty much hit in any direction right now. Also yes, I have talked about activity but mainly because you calling my entry shit made me explain additional stuff about it. This is again borderline close to throwing shit on each other so let's stop it here. So would you now please go and read the posts I quoted to darthfoley instead of bantering around? Which posts are you talking about?
On January 08 2017 05:33 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:21 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote:
About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote:
The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote:
Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But okay. That's like one weakness in my case. Okay, point taken. What about the rest: On January 08 2017 05:17 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:13 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote:
About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote:
The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote:
Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I do not think activity is AI. When it comes to low activity such as my self I try to be as substantive as possible to make up for it. B0stonSC on the other hand makes a big deal out of his activity, and his posts hold very little objective value. Thank you for presenting your views. I still hold the belief that Grack's intent to blow conversations up and to prevent people from making any progress on leads makes me feel like he is scum. I would say bad town play if he was a newbie, but he is on the veterans list. That's a major pain point. Yes, activity isn't always AI (although I think rule of thumb the more active a guy is the higher the chance of him flipping town is) but the way he's playing around his activity ("I'M HERE, I'M PLAYING, I'M JUST NOT ACTIVE BECAUSE IT'S NOT WEEKEND") is really weird. On January 08 2017 05:15 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:11 Calix wrote:
Is it bad that reading BTDT's giant case makes me less sure that Boston is scum? BTDT doesn't point out the same things that I did, I think some of the things he said aren't scum-indicative and the only new (valid) point that BTDT brings to the table is with the last part. To be fair, I don't know the exact reasons why you scumread him. But to be even more fair, I'm not too confident in my first points myself. However, reading this filter overall gives me a feeling of dodgy, lurky scum that is overexplaining things and overjustifying reads. Also, when called out (Onegu vote), he backs off. That's basically a TL;DR of what I really think but as I simply quoted his filter, I felt like I had to quote posts and explain why they are scummy. These ones, Calix. Because activity is one aspect of the things I'm saying about Boston, here are other things I say. Let's discuss the case so we can either lynch the person or dismiss the case as bad. I am still confident in that read (also because it's a very easy read tbh which makes it dangerous)
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On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:29 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 05:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:
@Vivax-Why is Grackaroni town? I don't see anything, since he's come back to the thread to make me think he's trying to move the game forward. If anything, he's continuing to pick fights with ika and complaining about it. Reading his filter, I don't see anything that makes me want to give him a townread. No strong pushes, no strong reads, constant arguing with one of his townreads. What am I missing? It's very subjective but he's the only one who stood up for me when he didn't have any reason to if he were mafia. And I can totally understand his frustration when dealing with you and ika cause I've been through that too. Is white-knighting not a possibility to you? Why? As someone who has played with ika/ SW before, I think that's a typical emotion to feel 
As mafia you want to white knight people who are influential or very unlikely to be lynched, so you will mostly attack townies who wrongly attack that sort of people. I don't really believe that I appeared to be that sort of person in the situation.
White knighting people who instead are easy lynches is not what you want to do as mafia cause you are happy about any mislynch you can get over one of your teammates, so there's not really a point. It's still possible then but would be a misplay by the mafia.
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Grackaroni, is Silverwolf scum?
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Wait Btdt what is the order you are reading the posts?
You said earlier that you hadn't gone to my filter just because I was the vote leader but it seems like you've been looking at the filters that way between kelsier/me/boston.
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On January 08 2017 05:33 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:21 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote:
About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote:
The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote:
Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But okay. That's like one weakness in my case. Okay, point taken. What about the rest: On January 08 2017 05:17 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:13 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote:
About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote:
The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote:
Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I do not think activity is AI. When it comes to low activity such as my self I try to be as substantive as possible to make up for it. B0stonSC on the other hand makes a big deal out of his activity, and his posts hold very little objective value. Thank you for presenting your views. I still hold the belief that Grack's intent to blow conversations up and to prevent people from making any progress on leads makes me feel like he is scum. I would say bad town play if he was a newbie, but he is on the veterans list. That's a major pain point. Yes, activity isn't always AI (although I think rule of thumb the more active a guy is the higher the chance of him flipping town is) but the way he's playing around his activity ("I'M HERE, I'M PLAYING, I'M JUST NOT ACTIVE BECAUSE IT'S NOT WEEKEND") is really weird. On January 08 2017 05:15 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:11 Calix wrote:
Is it bad that reading BTDT's giant case makes me less sure that Boston is scum? BTDT doesn't point out the same things that I did, I think some of the things he said aren't scum-indicative and the only new (valid) point that BTDT brings to the table is with the last part. To be fair, I don't know the exact reasons why you scumread him. But to be even more fair, I'm not too confident in my first points myself. However, reading this filter overall gives me a feeling of dodgy, lurky scum that is overexplaining things and overjustifying reads. Also, when called out (Onegu vote), he backs off. That's basically a TL;DR of what I really think but as I simply quoted his filter, I felt like I had to quote posts and explain why they are scummy. These ones, Calix. Because activity is one aspect of the things I'm saying about Boston, here are other things I say. Let's discuss the case so we can either lynch the person or dismiss the case as bad. I am still confident in that read (also because it's a very easy read tbh which makes it dangerous)
Ninja'd.
Yes, his apologies for his activity are scummy as hell. He did that in his very first post which is suspicious because his first instinct is to try and make a NAI thing seem less suspicious.
I thought Onegu summed it up decently when he explained the discrepancy between Boston's vote and his later justification for it.
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On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote:
reps, has your read on Grack changed at all? If not, what makes Boston scummier?
My scum leans are B0, Grack, and Vivax.
B0- No objective posts.
Grack- Deliberate intent to derail conversations which could lead to town reads. Believes we should only argue who is mafia and values not finding town reads.
Vivax- Veteran player which defends people when a person should defend themselves.
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On January 08 2017 05:36 beentheredonethat wrote:
Grackaroni, is Silverwolf scum?
No
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On January 08 2017 05:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Wait Btdt what is the order you are reading the posts?
You said earlier that you hadn't gone to my filter just because I was the vote leader but it seems like you've been looking at the filters that way between kelsier/me/boston.
Right now, there isn't any order. I'm reading a bit every now and then, checking filters, then I find a post, read it in context...then I discuss a bit here - there's not really an ordered way of reading that I follow.
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On January 08 2017 05:36 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:36 beentheredonethat wrote:
Grackaroni, is Silverwolf scum? No
On January 07 2017 11:26 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 11:25 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote:
Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. i asked first so burden of proof is on you. Also the question you are asking is not the same as what i am asking. You are asking em to prove I am town not somebody else. My question is asking you to prove your read on someone else not yourself. Again, show me posts that show the efforts and angles you are talking about. Otherwise i will say your fabricating the read on him. Then I will alter the task. Prove to me that Silverwolf is town.
okay
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On January 08 2017 05:35 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:29 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 05:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:
@Vivax-Why is Grackaroni town? I don't see anything, since he's come back to the thread to make me think he's trying to move the game forward. If anything, he's continuing to pick fights with ika and complaining about it. Reading his filter, I don't see anything that makes me want to give him a townread. No strong pushes, no strong reads, constant arguing with one of his townreads. What am I missing? It's very subjective but he's the only one who stood up for me when he didn't have any reason to if he were mafia. And I can totally understand his frustration when dealing with you and ika cause I've been through that too. Is white-knighting not a possibility to you? Why? As someone who has played with ika/ SW before, I think that's a typical emotion to feel As mafia you want to white knight people who are influential or very unlikely to be lynched, so you will mostly attack townies who wrongly attack that sort of people. I don't really believe that I appeared to be that sort of person in the situation. White knighting people who instead are easy lynches is not what you want to do as mafia cause you are happy about any mislynch you can get over one of your teammates, so there's not really a point. It's still possible then but would be a misplay by the mafia.
Disagree on the first part as scum tend to defend townies who are at risk (because of TMI and scum guilt. Yeah it's poor play but they do it for psychological reasons more than strategic ones) and you were under a fair amount of pressure from SW/ ika. It's also a good way of looking like you're contributing. I agree that it's not optimal play but that doesn't change the fact that it happens a lot.
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On January 08 2017 05:39 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:36 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 05:36 beentheredonethat wrote:
Grackaroni, is Silverwolf scum? No Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 11:26 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:25 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote:
Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. i asked first so burden of proof is on you. Also the question you are asking is not the same as what i am asking. You are asking em to prove I am town not somebody else. My question is asking you to prove your read on someone else not yourself. Again, show me posts that show the efforts and angles you are talking about. Otherwise i will say your fabricating the read on him. Then I will alter the task. Prove to me that Silverwolf is town. okay
You missed the point of the whole exercise.
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tbh I think if we're just all honest to each other and answer questions open minded we're all good to establish ourselves us townie. then, we lynch anyone who's not answering questions directly and deliberately.
soooo
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