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[M][T] Host's Revenge Mafia - Page 3
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Vote Count GlowingBear (5) : beentheredonethat, Grackaroni, Chezinu (1) : Tictock disformation (1) : GlowingBear Grackaroni (1) : The day phase will end at Wednesday, Jan 11 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), <4 hours from this post. remain as you are reading this. Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in the voting thread. If you see any vote out of place, bork bork bork Currently riding the carousel: no one. | ||
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Bullshit Vote Count Koshi (2) : Koshi, Superbia Not voting (3) : darthfoley, ExO_, Time Traveler The day phase will end at Thursday, Jan 12 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). remain as you are reading this. Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in the voting thread. If you see any vote out of place, let us know! | ||
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Bullshit Vote Count Koshi (1) : Superbia (1) : Koshi Not voting (3) : darthfoley, ExO_, Time Traveler The day phase will end at Thursday, Jan 12 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). remain as you are reading this. Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in the voting thread. If you see any vote out of place, let us know! | ||
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Bullshit Vote Count Koshi (2) : Superbia (1) : Koshi Not voting (2) : ExO_, Time Traveler Currently, Koshi is set to be lynched! The day phase will end at Thursday, Jan 12 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) <10min from this post. remain as you are reading this. Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in the voting thread. If you see any vote out of place, let us know! | ||
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Vote Count Grackaroni (2) : Tictock, beentheredonethat Chezinu (1) : Grackaroni Not voting (2) : Alakaslam, Chezinu The day phase will end at Saturday, Jan 14 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), about 16 hours from this post. remain as you are reading this. Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in the voting thread. If you see any vote out of place, scream your head off or something. | ||
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On January 14 2017 09:55 Superbia wrote: Wait if chez got jailed n1. And he delivered the KP. How did I die? N1 was factional so the jailkeep doesn't impact KP. | ||
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On January 14 2017 10:00 Superbia wrote: RIGGGGEEEEDDDD!!! More like derped. | ||
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slam incorrectly thanks aliens (hosts) by walkie talkie for receiving LS paperplane for disfo because of breeze, thus inadvertently radioing it to GB dentures something along these lines was spoken in host chat at one point. EMERGENT GAMEPLAY! | ||
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On January 14 2017 10:13 Koshi wrote: imo TickTock was playing super townie this entire game. yeah TT also had the best mindset / approach re: host quackery. | ||
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Well done for fooling deadchat, btdt | ||
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On January 14 2017 10:47 LightningStrike wrote: Also what happened if I voted scum Day 2 for my quest? You get a different kind of mjolnir on D3, either IML hammer ability or secret toggle-able vote on the redcheck. Too bad you stayed on the huge wagon, could have gone hunting for check elsewhere. That is the true optimal strat for your quest -- use the check, not obsess about lynching scum nownow | ||
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On January 14 2017 10:51 Shapelog wrote: I find the exact thing later but You or TT would be made 3rd party. We changed our mind about the 3p part pretty fast though. The other part of it is that we wanted to delay activation of the ring powers, so we required the ring to change hands. And in my mind I also wanted the ring quest to serve as a test of HoB -- to reinforce that they are not confirmed to one another, and to see if they could surmount the N1 and heal the rift to regain trust in one another like their D1 circle. (Snap decision in response to df question, to allow impersonation made things too hard and caused even more trouble, in hindsight) | ||
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On January 14 2017 10:52 LightningStrike wrote: Also dis when you wake up: Why you decided to save me Day 3 by lynching Time Traveler? Funnily enough, charisma quest. "hey guys I need like 3 of you to follow me on a wagon" we loled at how brazen he was. | ||
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Will be back later for any remaining questions about wtf happened etc since the QTs and docs are a veritable labyrinth. Will also help supplement existing answers -- even Shapelog is forgetting stuff here and there lol. Just so many moving parts. Will maybe give some observations about balance hits and misses, which was tough with how dynamic things were trying to adjust so many moving parts. As per disfo we had some PM conversations about that, so I'll let him say his bit first. For now.. Thanks Shape for hosting and the game format -- first time is a bit experimental but I think the format has promise, if we learn from the lessons of this game and adjust accordingly. ( If anyone will even want to subject themselves to such torture again, lol. ) Thanks Calix for coming up with lots of excellent roles and quest mechanics, basically a large portion of the mechanics heavy lifting. Meanwhile I was mostly doing clerical and org work and otherwise running around like a headless chicken lol. Thanks Artanis / rels for the assists when you guys got back in. Thanks players, hope you enjoyed! | ||
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blue But Alakaslam got to have some fun with it =Þ | ||
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On January 15 2017 02:36 disformation wrote: I assumed Chez was fake nuking himself D2 so he didnt have to play. Calix: You're almost right. They used Time Traveler's Messenger role to fake a nuke on Chezinu disfo: ExO_'s ML was like 50% me and 50% ExO_. Or 50% ExO_ and 50% me and all the ppl sheeping me. He had a very stronk D1 and I just came out of a game where he pulled similar shit. Though I really thought he was scum for the post where he did his low activity/excuse thing. I was honestly thinking he would flip red until the very end. Still was kinda like a policy lynch as I absolutely hate him claiming vt over and over again like that. Probably I am a bit of an ass here. I mean at least he didnt nuke himself, though well he kinda did with his posts. Didnt even vote. Which is another thing I really don't like. Calix: He had a quest where he wasn't allowed to talk about PRs/ abilities; claim VT thrice; end the day with no votes on him. That would have given him a vanilla-riser ability (or "vanilla virus" as people were calling it?). Needless to say, he failed the third part hard. | ||
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disfo: For some reasons I had a bunch of problems reading Grack and DF. The house of brown thing probably played a huge part in that. That was real mean. Calix: This flash of inspiration happened here: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/TV4fddk34mkq/p140.133.1Mean? That's not how you spell "genius"  After their HOB discussion, we wanted to lob those three into a chat and then we were like "wait isn't putting three of the most active townies in a chat kinda OP?" and it blossomed from there :DFeel free to complain if you want :p Some players suspected during the game that we actually made them mafia, and then undid it upon realizing that it was terrible balance... nope! fake mafia was the plan all along ;Þ disfo: Thanks to the house of brown their N1 filters were not usable to ascertain their alignments. It also greatly affected them D2 as they were super confused. So it def. made all three harder to read. And that put a lot of shade onto like the only 3 towns playing the game (besides me). Like the idea is amazing I am not going to dispute that. It just made the game way harder for town imo. calix: N1 is a legitimate concern as they all thought they were mafia when they were not. However I disagree on D2 onward as you could read into their reactions. You managed to correctly pick up on TT, for example. Maybe it was harder for you since all three of them were town and thus had similar responses. disfo: ... fair point on D2. Just was like... df was acting real strange D2 all of the sudden, but we also managed to figure him out. cakepie: Um, yeah... about that... disfo: he was on a quest? -.- Calix: I think I know why DF was doing that but you'd have to ask post-game to know for sure. We did troll the HOB a bit more after they realised they weren't a mafia team with this D2 quest but that ended up being a bit more anti-town/ a distraction than we intended it to be (since they didn't really trust each other post-D2 due to some actions they did during N1 and we hadn't accounted for that). I've talked about that in passing in #3360 in response to df, but to elaborate more fully on what happened:
tl;dr: Ring side quest got waaaaaaay out of our control. | ||
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note that I wont any of that against you, as running such a game takes a lot of work and balance is fickle. I kinda think you guys overestimated town/underestimated scum. but tbh this town was pretty crap and that stuff is super hard to predict anways, so whatever. still i am feeling like ranting about a bunch of stuff that i observed/think might be a bit borderline. Was pretty surprised when one of you said he thought chez role would fuck scum over at some point. his role is prolly the only reason he didnt get lynched super early and in a game where town has 0 trust to each other (house of brown) you just give town kp and wathc them kill each other. or themselves. so i am 0 surprised his role was good for scum. but again. this shit is super hard to predict. general observation: i think it is has very low risk to a very high reward for fakeclaiming stuff in themed games. in palmars game iamp was able to get away with convincing town of being anti town 3P. in dota 2 Hoshi nearly rode out the game off having made up a pro town ability. This game btdt was able to convince town of being a 2 shot cop. though tbh its more that he bussed tt2 super hard. in dota 2 it was somewhat easier to determine fake claims since the abilities were kinda tied to roles and a rolecop would be able to somewhat determine if someone was lying. a pity he died n1. I don't know if Chez or BTDT role names would have helped, but for like meacha-cow or the plains dragoon it would be impossible to find out what abilities they had from the name. well. dragoons usually have a horse and a carbine, so you could argue for a vig shot. so not sure how good GB's rolecop ability was. you maybe could argue that town might to try figure that out based on balance, there were some posts about too many prot/investigatives around, but this is a bastard game, so how the fuck are we supposed to know what ideas you guys had. maybe all the investigatives are insane? which is I basically ignored those posts on the grounds of not wanting mechanics at all to figure out this game. on that note I should not have trusted the red check on GB. but I would have checked GB, too. So the check made sense and the result kinda did too. Also would have had to fight Grack over not trusting the red, while trusting my blue on LS. didnt want to do that. so that might have been my bad, not sure though. tldr: i think if i am to run a themed in the future I will probably include 1 town fav. role/mechanic that makes fake claims more risky for scum. I dont want to make it stupid/impossible, as good fake claims are good, but I think in the last 3 games it was low risk very high reward. This one was tackled in depth by me, excerpts follow: I had a couple thoughts too re "balance" We have to keep in mind this format was kind of experimental But I really think it has some nice potential if executed correctly I think selling the troll factor and "bastard" nature of the game was a mistake If ever something like this is done again it should be approached in the mindset of like D&D or tabletop gaming. The hosts are like the game masters and will adjust the gameplay on the fly, to provide interesting stuff, make things more dynamic than just preset roles or preplanned power ups, and just a bit of troll for spice and fun. But the contract should be that we will try to keep balance as much as possible (disclaimer: no promises cuz it's hard to predict what weird unforeseen emergent gameplay might happen) perhaps some limitations on what quackery is allowed/disallowed and what is fair/unfair. NOT what shapelog did going all over the place making a big deal about "anything is possible *trollface* I kinda think you guys overestimated town/underestimated scum. mafia was quite hilarious too. Tragedy of errors on both sides all game longbut tbh this town was pretty crap Was pretty surprised when one of you said he thought chez role would fuck scum over at some point. I knew all along that it would be a mechanics-based deepwolf if town got obsessed with roles and mechanics. But he was also quite limited in what he could do.town has 0 trust to each other (house of brown) (already discussed above) too easy to fakeclaim stuff in themed games. valid observation. worth thinking about how to compensate for this as hosts, and conversely players should also be more cautious about what they believe.... good fake claims are good, but I think in the last 3 games it was low risk very high reward. I don't know if role names would have helped nope. once we got past the SoN1 hump and started flavoring shit properly it was completely useless. We gave scum a useless flavor name cop, lol. how good GB's rolecop ability was. GB wasn't rolecop at all. GB had a vanilla cop power that was essentially useless past N1. GB correctly switched to using nanite milke (combat medic) subsequently.GB's bungled N1 role and action claim caused a big ruckus with LS; it was so painful to watch that we eventually fed LS a clue about it. but this is a bastard game, so how the fuck are we supposed to know what ideas you guys had should not have sold it as bastard game. | ||
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disfo: I was thinking about the carousel but couldnt figure out how to use it for towns advantage. =D Problem is: I already spend 24/7 overthinking the scum hunt, where should I find time to figure that stuff out too? And tbh I am not too versed in crazy mechanics =D cakepie: carousel was contributed by Artanis. It is a way to force scum to shoot into ???. Assuming that there's somewhat decent reads in the game. So not sure how helpful it is in this game. Strategy: Towniest and scummiest players board. Compel scummy players to do so by threaten to lynch those who won't comply. Eject the ??? from carousel. Scum can't shoot into carousel for fear of hitting themselves. Town uses scum NK to flip the ??? a bit like a vig by proxy except scum won't shoot scum. | ||
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