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On September 24 2016 19:41 Holyflare wrote: This will be a game where either good people roll mafia and lose or bad people roll mafia and lose. But what if you roll mafia? | ||
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All this time you were but a mere mortal. | ||
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All the cool kids were doing it. | ||
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On October 04 2016 07:15 NeverUnlucky wrote: I can be mod confirmed. Will elaborate when needed. You cannot be mod confirmed. Do not post any PM from a host. You can claim a role if you wish, but it would be pretty stupid. | ||
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On October 04 2016 07:24 batsnacks wrote: Just a scummy pop in post nothing to see here. When do we get to see the Bat traps? | ||
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On October 04 2016 07:47 Palmar wrote: ok marv is 100% scum ##vote marvellosity I can't kill Marv because I need to sheep him. | ||
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On October 05 2016 02:22 justanothertownie wrote: Seemed like the right thing to do at the time. Who do you suggest instead? The non-townie people. | ||
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On October 05 2016 02:22 batsnacks wrote: Hi forums user grackaroni Hello my good chum. You know that we cannot be scum together because we are creating distance. | ||
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That would be acceptable. | ||
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On October 05 2016 09:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Grack do you have any reads or you just decide to post when you feel like it uselessly? No I'm actually working on it right now, but it's a slow process. My first instinct was to look at JAT and I'm still a bit undecided. There's nothing in his filter for me to really fault but he seems very agreeable. | ||
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On October 05 2016 11:47 Oatsmaster wrote: So who's scum? I don't know yet Oats. I think I've said that earlier. | ||
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On October 05 2016 02:33 marvellosity wrote: Still want to know why superbia phrased his question to me like there wasn't a shadow of doubt calix is town I don't like this push by the way. | ||
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Because a town read on Calix isn't unusual. She's posted more than anyone, assuming that she is town doesn't mean that Superbia has too much information like Marv has suggested. | ||
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On October 05 2016 12:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Go and fucking find out. You have 27 pages to obtain a single scum-read. Relax Oats. When I get ideas I will share them, and if I get lynched because I haven't solved the game so be it. If you end up wanting to lynch HF over me then you should help me follow the read because I don't think HF's post on Batsnacks was bad. Batsnacks was making some weird assumptions for Superbia's play. | ||
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On October 05 2016 08:30 batsnacks wrote: This was the damdred game I read sort of recently where his line of questioning at the beginning seems slower and different http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/3255-Season-3-Final-Game-The-Koopa-Troop I'm not super current on anyone's meta here but damdred's sudden entrance, sudden conclusions without the early questions, and his conclusions being a lot different than mine could suggest an agenda. I think this is actually a good post from Batsnacks. | ||
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On October 05 2016 00:56 marvellosity wrote: With the massive assumption you're making that calix is town? I don't even understand the question. I just don't find the assumption scummy considering Calix's play so far. | ||
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On October 05 2016 12:38 Oatsmaster wrote: I don't like that he doesn't actually come to a proper conclusion but kinda leaves it open to interpretation. Also I don't like that he sells himself short at meta reading damdred but that seems to be one reason why he thinks damdred is scummy. His conclusion was that Damdred is scummy in his reads list earlier. | ||
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On October 05 2016 12:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Ah ok, I see where Marv is going here. Super proposed a throwaway question with no doubt in his mind that calix was town. I'm not sure if super is saying that mafia is latching onto to hf's push or that hf is latching on. Scum slips don't exist though so i agree with you I understand it now from reading HF's filter. Superbia believes that NU/Calix argument was the most interesting thing in the thread because he believes that the argument was TvT, and he is saying that either HF is scum or scum are latching on to HF's argument. HF is being obtuse arguing that because some people agree with him he must be making sense, and thus Superbia shouldn't think he is scummy. | ||
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On October 05 2016 04:56 Holyflare wrote: Everyone should be voting Grackaroni by the way. On October 05 2016 04:58 Holyflare wrote: What's meta about it? He's said shit all this entire game but been actively around. I made nothing but shit posts for the first half of day 1 last game as town and it pissed Calix off lol. On September 09 2016 20:26 Calix wrote: - Don't like Grackaroni. It feels like he's just hanging on the sidelines; he wasn't very involved in the discussion and most of the posts I read while catching up seemed like he was posting for the sake of looking active. Like there were a lot of places where he could have posted something substantial and he just made some joke comment instead. On September 09 2016 21:46 Calix wrote: I sure hope Grackaroni Dearest is working on some amazing post after he just proved my earlier point with 378 and 380  | ||
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Calix Oats Superbia nu Palmar (He's on the townie side of null but I want to see more) Stutters (S.s.ss.s.s.s.s.tutters) Marv Damdred Batsnacks (I'm going to err on the side of not lynching him today after writing this up (barring any major revelations) because 3 question marks are pushing him and there's no shortage of lynch options.) Koshi (busy busy busy) HF (for pushing me when after last game's experience he probably shouldn't make that read. Also he's still arguing that Calix slipped in viewing nu as town, yet he's effectively dropped the push even though Calix offered bad reasons for thinking nu would try to wifom as mafia (The wandering townie thing.) If you really strongly believe that it would never make sense for Calix to view nu's actions as scummy as town, then Calix making some better posts shouldn't alter the read because she's already slipped.) JAT (Because of general agreeability. Also he weakens his reads whenever questioned.) | ||
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On October 05 2016 14:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Why is super town lol wtf. Because I think that the cocky useless attitude and annoyance is harder to fake than it seems. Also the times that he has contributed I think he's made good points, i.e. Damdred's confidence on Marv and HF dropping his Calix push. | ||
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On October 05 2016 15:19 Holyflare wrote: Grack you should read the thread more. I don't know what this means. | ||
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On October 05 2016 15:22 Holyflare wrote: I haven't dropped my calix push, she still could be mafia but I've dropped it to see what she does and push other scummy things. She plays incredibly defensive so pushing her will hinder amy chance of getting a better read. Like pushing me for being useless. I'm not seeing how that's more useful when I don't think it's particularly alignment indicative. As Damdred said my scum play is probably better than my town play. | ||
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On October 05 2016 15:23 Holyflare wrote: Also I don't remember you doing nothing last game I remember you arguing about ticktock with me and actually posting. Either way it's obviously pressure until I found scummier things to vote on. That was the end of day 1. At the start I was similar to the start of this game. | ||
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On October 05 2016 15:23 Holyflare wrote: And I also think you're shit for scum reading me for the third game in a row that I'm town. This is being considered! The first game you had it coming for the terrible cop play. The second game is on me. | ||
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On October 05 2016 15:27 Holyflare wrote: You think being useless is the stellar town play we need? No, pathetic. No I think it's not scum indicative. | ||
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We can argue about this for a while if you'd like, but I don't think it will get anywhere. I'd be willing to talk about anything else that you'd like. | ||
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Wait no I kind of like HF right now because he's going to push my JAT lynch for me. | ||
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On October 05 2016 15:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol you got bullied. Stand up for yourself man. How did I get bullied? | ||
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On October 05 2016 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol wait wait you really need to expand on this. Cause it's really important I don't think that scum becomes genuinely annoyed at somebody for not answering a question because they don't actually care about the answer. This is something that Superbia has to actively think of to fake. If you're going for the cocky useless scum play, then you are drawing a lot more attention to yourself. It can be harder to pull off than you would think, and it's always a riskier gambit than just contributing more than the shittiest players. Marv isn't going to roll over this game as scum because he hasn't played in months. HF point was something that I noticed as well. | ||
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On October 05 2016 15:49 Holyflare wrote: I also thought jat's earlier call out of stutters was extremely out of place on a person who posted 3 posts at the start of the game and it sidetracked from actual discussion. It's weird because: A) it's really the only person jat has called out the entire game. B) he ignored scummy things going on for it. C) he knows stutters is a lurker and doesn't post much Looked really forced read. lol I agree with this but your Ticktock read is still on my mind. He should know that Stutters lurks. Stutters is like the quintessential lurker of TL. | ||
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On October 05 2016 16:05 Oatsmaster wrote: His filter is just general meh useless fluff That's a bad sign in my opinion. | ||
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On October 05 2016 16:05 Holyflare wrote: Did someone say mafia batsnacks was more serious? That was JAT when he was arguing that batsnacks wasn't being too serious this game. | ||
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On October 05 2016 16:10 Holyflare wrote: Why do i think the complete opposite then? Batsnacks looks like a complete emotionless robot that posts reads and has no passion behind them. That's what Calix said in response. | ||
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Palmar is normal Batsnacks is normal Then whenever somebody argues otherwise he agrees with them. | ||
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On October 05 2016 17:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Man hf where you go He probably went to work. Don't worry I'm an expert on time zones. I need to know what time it is in the UK if I want to know what time is Marv's tea time. | ||
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On October 05 2016 20:34 marvellosity wrote: sounds logical, but it would be untrue. I would have been crushingly depressed not to have rolled town in my first game in 4 months and been even lazier than usual When did you become such a baddie? | ||
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On October 05 2016 20:50 justanothertownie wrote: You are dull. Also I remember you saying the exact same thing the last time I had little time to play. We all know how that ended. What about it looks bad exactly? It was an observation and I did not follow up on it since stutters did not post since then. Hardly a push. Nobody is accusing you for having little time to play, by the way. There's a reason why you are getting pushed over Koshi. | ||
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On October 05 2016 21:12 Palmar wrote: Regarding JAT, I don't know what to think about his response to me. a) he might be (or he might believe that he is) correct that pressuring him to take a stance isn't going to work. b) he also knows that I believe I can pressure him into submission as town, whether or not that is true seems irrelevant. c) despite b), it's not certain that he thought about what I believe So in general, I'm still sort of meh on JAT, he is doing the jat thing where he sort of casually comments along in the thread, and I always think he's mafia for it and sometimes I tunnel it and sometimes I leave it. I have no real idea what he actually is. On October 05 2016 21:28 Palmar wrote: I also think Grack might be mafia, he has no agenda that I can tell, he just sort of exists. I don't think Palmar is reading the thread. He doesn't seem to have any idea that JAT isn't posting in response to himself. | ||
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On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote: huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. This actually makes some sense. If Batsnacks is scum it looks like I am trying to drive a wagon away from Batsnacks without defending him. | ||
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I didn't. She said that you have been too reactive not that you are only scum because you are on a team with Batsnacks. | ||
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On October 06 2016 00:31 justanothertownie wrote: Not really. The only one who is pushing me right now is you and I easily refuted your "case". Pretty much everyone in the thread has called your play unusually boring. I can assemble a line of quotes if needed. | ||
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On October 06 2016 00:30 Palmar wrote: Calix is 100% mafia Why? | ||
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On October 06 2016 00:42 justanothertownie wrote: Wrong. But irrelevant. Even if she scumread me independently I would still be mafia in her world and this still eould make no sense. Fact check: Calix has called JAT reactive. On October 05 2016 16:27 Calix wrote: Not quotes but JAT has a lot of posts where he says "XYZ is behaving normally for them" or asking a question and then not going anywhere with them. Here JAT's response is to characterise batsnacks as 'sassy and self-confident' (implying that these are accurate words to describe his filter). He also notes that batsnacks had been 'improving his scum game' - an odd thing to note on someone that you claim to have 'no problems' with so far. This doesn't make sense. He didn't have much confidence in his read to begin with (i.e., the comment about an improved mafia game) and how does one lose confidence without seeing a problem with the filter? And on the heels of losing his confidence, he makes these two posts: Soft-ball defense of batsnacks using his shit-posting, arguing that this shows batsnacks is less serious and thus is likely town. His last post says that batsnacks is "definitely" one of the types to be more serious as scum. This is an odd shift in confidence from "having retracted [his confidence]" to now being sure that batsnacks acts in a certain way as scum. On October 05 2016 16:38 Calix wrote: Also while I'm here, if anyone wants to present actual analysis for why batsnacks can be town, I'd like to hear it. Because so far, I've seen nothing convincing outside of "he's hilarious" (courtesy of NU) and "some of his later posts were okay" (which doesn't invalidate the earlier points) Both batsnacks and JAT are playing passively imo. We rate the claim true. | ||
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On October 06 2016 00:46 Palmar wrote: as an alternative I'll also accept killing Grackaroni And why would you do such a thing, grand maester Palmar, when I have been doing your job for you? On October 05 2016 02:01 Palmar wrote: I kinda want to bully someone, but I'm also lazy and I need to go soon, so I'm not gonna. excellent bully targets are jat and superbia. They're both kinda.... here, but not doing much. Which isn't really scummy for either of them, as that's what they do all the time, but we need to make them commit to shit to figure out what they actually think. | ||
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On October 06 2016 00:54 justanothertownie wrote: Why are you going out of your way to avoid the actual issue? Calix admitted herself that the association with batsnacks was a major part of her read. And knowing that what she said just makes 0 sense. Go read HFs post about it instead of trying to sidestep. It sums it up pretty well. I read the post, I just don't agree. Calix has been townie this game and I don't expect her to have 100% confidence that her scum team is right. I have to go. Let us pray for Marv's benevolence. | ||
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On October 06 2016 01:07 justanothertownie wrote: He clearly decided he would defend calix no matter what before actually reading what has been said about her. Clearly | ||
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On October 06 2016 01:20 justanothertownie wrote: Indeed. You immediately rushed to her defense without understanding the accusation against her as evidenced here: Then you try to defend her by arguing her scumread on me doesn't depend on batsnacks which it evidently does. And when all fails you just claim that you think she can forget her scumreads. You defended for 2 separate and incorrect reasons before actually understanding the argument and then kept doing it. No, no, no. I fully understand the contradiction (and have for some time) and I don't think it's noteworthy. You argued that Calix's read was 99% association with you, which wasn't true because she gave the same reasons that other people have been giving on you. She said that if Batsnacks is scum I should be looked at, and it's hard to argue with that lol. I don't expect her to be certain enough in her associative read to ignore other possibilities like me trying to push the lynch away from Batsnacks. I have at no point argued that she could have forgot. Quit spinning falsehoods. On October 06 2016 02:12 justanothertownie wrote: Are you dense? What I am saying is the following: Grackaroni is scumreadign me FOR something that is a known staple of my townmeta which makes the read completely nonsensical. The point is not "I am playing my townmeta so I am town" even though that would be entirely correct. And again I could put together a quote compilation of people commenting on your play and I haven't seen a single confident defender, which is not a great sign for somebody playing so perfectly to their town meta. | ||
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The kingdom of Palmargard of course. I have heard from a source that they have phat loots. | ||
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On October 06 2016 00:26 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think Palmar is reading the thread. He doesn't seem to have any idea that JAT isn't posting in response to himself. I've seriously given one of the best cases in thread on Palmar right here. When Palmar is town and doesn't read the thread he'll let people know and be useless. Here he is pretending like he has contributions to make, but if you look further you can see that he has absolutely no clue what has been going on in the last 10-15 pages. Scum Palmar is too lazy to read and just skims. | ||
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On October 06 2016 02:58 Koshi wrote: Ok. So let's not lynch into these names. Calix, Koshi, Oats, NU, Superbia, Grack, Damdred, Marv, batsnacks Who is left? Palmar justanothertownie Holyflare Stutters695 Pretty good stuff. I like this list. | ||
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On October 06 2016 03:05 Holyflare wrote: you keep linking the palmar post and I have no idea what you're referring to grack, palmar could quite easily be mafia yes and that's why he's in my list Because he didn't read, yet he's pretending like he has read. When town Palmar doesn't read he'll rub it in your face. I was the one that started all of the JAT stuff and he's saying I don't have any direction. He also seems to believe that JAT was spamming out posts in response to himself, which was pretty clearly not the case. | ||
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On October 06 2016 03:16 Holyflare wrote: I'll just sheep koshi on whatever I don't really care. Aha it's a trap. You think you are sheeping the Koshi, but really you are sheeping the Grackaroni just as I have planned. | ||
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On October 06 2016 03:35 marvellosity wrote: i'm on page 51 and the lynch on calix seems fine, gonna chill my vote on bats though. good chance maf maf i suppose Really? Why do you think Calix is maf? | ||
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On October 06 2016 03:40 marvellosity wrote: thought HF had a compelling post, can't now remember what it said. some 3 point thing something about being around a lot but only being reactive particularly. but vote bats. It was when she said that I could be mafia if Bats is mafia even though I had pushed JAT who she had associated with Bats. I think she's given quite reasonable explanations for it. | ||
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Make a case? | ||
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Don't worry, his case was unconvincing. | ||
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Because I think JAT may be more guilty of politician posts than Batsnacks. He actually writes out reasons for why someone is playing normally and his scum reads ended up being all omgus. Batsnacks at least came up with a unique point on Damdred. | ||
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On October 06 2016 03:52 marvellosity wrote: okay but jat does that as both alignments and bat doesn't so....... I'm not all that familiar with Batsnacks' scum play. Actually isn't he usually a trollish player? | ||
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On October 06 2016 03:54 Calix wrote: We've had this point brought up by JAT ages ago, Grack. Didn't you comment on that yourself? lol Why are you questioning this now when you know the answer? I don't think I have. | ||
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On October 06 2016 03:54 marvellosity wrote: just look in the database that's what i did. that's when i voted him, directly after i did that i mean if my case isn't convincing enough on its own and you cba to do that, then meh :> The process begins! He has a hundred percent death rate as mafia. | ||
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On October 06 2016 03:58 Calix wrote: Pretty sure you did, my dear Grack. Oh yeah. I know what JAT has said in this game but I have no idea whether it's true. He also said Superbia's scum meta looks like it does this game and I haven't gotten around to looking yet. | ||
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On October 06 2016 04:00 marvellosity wrote: like if you don't think he's the best lynch after you've done that, then fair enough. not here to bully votes ^^ Well, I am. | ||
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On October 06 2016 05:11 Palmar wrote: yes, townies are lazy or afk like me and mafia don't care Go defend yourself so that I can incriminate you in the eyes of Calix. | ||
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On October 06 2016 05:16 Palmar wrote: nah I don't give a shit. I know it's bad but I just can't even get myself to care. I'm in full fuck it mode. Don't make me quote the last game where you shit on Damdred for doing this. | ||
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And don't forget the Palmar rule. The worst player always gets lynched day1. | ||
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On October 06 2016 05:24 Koshi wrote: Can we at least make Palmar the leading wagon? Bully Marv. I bet he'll cave. | ||
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On October 06 2016 05:36 Palmar wrote: superbia calling me town all day and then voting me, I like it. There's 4 people on my wagon. 2 of them are really bad at mafia so they can be forgiven. Superbia is a lazy shit so maybe he's not scum, but I don't know why Grack is voting me. lulz all kinds of people are calling me good this game for some reason. | ||
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On October 06 2016 05:36 NeverUnlucky wrote: You town read DDD and sr bats. They are different from my reads so they are bad. Because I do not want him lynched. I have no idea what is going on in this conversation. You are voting bats, are you saying you don't think he is scum? | ||
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On October 06 2016 05:52 Holyflare wrote: Why would I have to retort something so dumb? It clearly was 100% a joke?????? Nobody can recognize your jokes because you use logic like this all the time. | ||
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On October 06 2016 05:58 Holyflare wrote: NeverUnlucky doesn't even think bats is mafia? Why voting? That's just nu. | ||
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On October 06 2016 05:58 Palmar wrote: Not like any good reason has been given on me I gave one! The not reading while pretending to make some sort of useful post. | ||
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On October 06 2016 06:27 Palmar wrote: because saying he's town with perfect info is a hard thing to do you're dumb or mafia and probably the latter. Because it increases your chance of being lynched | ||
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On October 06 2016 08:39 NeverUnlucky wrote: Plamar isn't one of ours yet. When nu will recognize his holiness, maybe, just maybe, he can join our ranks. For now he is a meanie with a unibrow. Are you up to the task? (EBWOP: replace NU by nu and the post makes sense) This sounds like a very arduous task. I shall try my best. | ||
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On October 06 2016 23:27 Holyflare wrote: I mean aren't we all full of prejudices that have been broken at some point? I just haven't met any intelligent Americans yet. Peekaboo! | ||
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I think there's a chance it could be bussing. JAT isn't giving any reasons why people should scum read you. You aren't giving any reasons why people should scum read him. Yet you both want to make it clear that you are suspecting each other. | ||
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On October 07 2016 00:53 NeverUnlucky wrote: You're reading it the wrong way. It's just a dick measuring competition with some shitty past games references that have no relevance here. We don't do dick measuring competitions on TL because we already determined that Marv has the largest. | ||
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On October 07 2016 00:55 justanothertownie wrote: Jesus. The pocket attempts are real. No, it doesn't even fit in a pocket! | ||
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I legitimately can't tell because I feel like you've been spewing out a lot of shitty accusations this game. | ||
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On October 07 2016 01:13 justanothertownie wrote: Just now you said I did not post any real accusations. Now I am spewing out a lot. Ok. We can let this be an example of one. | ||
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What I meant was that I didn't get the impression that either of you were concerned with convincing anyone of anything. For the shitty accusations, I remember you accusing me for defending Calix saying that I had predetermined I would defend Calix, and aside from that I remember mostly omgus from you. I went back to check after you posted a list of things Superbia had done and this whole argument was just an extension of that omgus. He made an off the cusp remark that if Palmar is town we should look into people off the wagon. | ||
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On October 07 2016 02:08 Holyflare wrote: Jat meta is solid over time underwhelming play that is so easily fact checked and you won't do it. It looks incredibly like you're clutching at straws for a reason if "underwhelming play" is all you have. Actually the one game I remember from JAT he was a badass that shot all of the mafia while the Rayn/Koshi hydra and I spent all game locked in a tunnel war. | ||
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On October 07 2016 02:44 justanothertownie wrote: More than 3 years ago though. I am sure we have played since then?! Yeah we definitely have. | ||
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On October 07 2016 02:53 justanothertownie wrote: What happened to your Palmar scumread? Weren't you one of the people pushing for him eod? I had kind of a hard time believing he would be such a shitter as scum to not change his vote. | ||
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On October 07 2016 02:56 justanothertownie wrote: That argument has been refuted countless times today. It seems you aren't reading at all. Quit doing this. I saw it and I reached a different conclusion. | ||
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But definitely we are in agreement that Palmar is a shitter. | ||
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On October 07 2016 08:57 Palmar wrote: This is false, I've given a ton of great reads. Go do something so that I don't seem like I have tmi when I defend you. | ||
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On October 07 2016 08:29 Palmar wrote: sucks marv rolled mafia.I never got a good solvygamey vibe from him and now I know why. But ok Why aren't you voting for him then? Where's the phat case? | ||
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That kind of makes me think that Marv is town and scum think he's going to have more influence than he actually will. | ||
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On October 07 2016 12:50 NeverUnlucky wrote: I already miss the clown variant of graxk. That feature is always coexistent within the many variants of Grackaroni. | ||
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There's the point that Bats made of Damdred primarily making a reads dump and very little questioning, which seems uncharacteristic. I think a case could also be made that he's only willing to scum read weaker players that won't give him too much trouble. He mentioned HF in his initial reads post and backed off that very quickly. Primarily I'm going to go with, "I have a lot of town reads and the feels are reals." Can you disprove my feels, Damdred? | ||
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On October 07 2016 18:41 justanothertownie wrote: "Comparatively" as in "compared to nu". Yes, you did that stuff and I never said the whole thing makes you mafia. I just feel the general procedure of the argument was nu berating you (never really understood why he felt the need to do it since apparently you are "obvious town" to him) while you just went along with the shitshow. I just don't think that makes you town. This is a pretty terrible assessment of that argument. | ||
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On October 07 2016 19:16 Palmar wrote: Btw, you can call me nostradamus later, but here's what's going to happen today: I'm going to rally some people to my side. Some stragglers and tunnelers are going to remain on the other side. Marv is going to rescind his scumread on me and scite my posting today, but he's going to look for another easy lynch JAT is going to be the alternative wagon, it should be marv, but it's easier to convince people to lynch JAT I'm not going to be around tomorrow to drive the wagon, so the thread will be taken over by mafia. In some fit of confusion, we're going to end up lynching some low hanging afk fruit, like stutters, damdred, grack. That person is 100% going to flip town and everyone will be mad. lol wat no way dude I've been building up my minions all game. | ||
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On October 07 2016 12:48 Grackaroni wrote: My thought going into the day was that HF would be the kill and town reads are solidifying themselves, so now you're seeing the "thinks he's super smart" variant of Grackaroni. This Grackaroni will probably disappear around the time Palmar flips scum but until then you're stuck with him. OH MY GOD IT'S GETTING WORSE. On October 07 2016 02:36 Grackaroni wrote: Anyway, I think the agenda for tomorrow should be Damdred/JAT with one other super secret individual who I shall be watching most closely. On October 07 2016 02:50 Grackaroni wrote: You can actually add Marv to my JAT/Damdred post above. Palmar is 100% town now by the way. I think he's completely incapable of this kind of play as mafia. On October 07 2016 19:24 Palmar wrote: Please fill in the form below [ ] I wish to join Palmar's Town gang [ ] I am mafia Thank you. Plus you're joining my teach, bitch. I'm pretty sure all of the non-scummers have been town reading me because they dig my charming personality. On October 06 2016 08:18 Grackaroni wrote: Are you going to be a noob Palmar? On October 06 2016 08:18 Grackaroni wrote: I'm pretty sure I need you on my team right now. I'm trying to gather my minions. | ||
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On October 07 2016 20:01 Koshi wrote: Can you tell me what changed here? 4 hours between posts but no other posts. That was just the most likely thing to cause a Grackaroni variant change. | ||
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No you just don't understand the post. | ||
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On October 07 2016 20:14 Koshi wrote: On the other hand. Grack busses superhard and supercold. I don't think I'm that heavy of a busser. The last game was just me hedging on Tumblewood and then jumping on the wagon once it looked like he was getting lynched. It only ended up looking super silly like that because when we were one vote away a string of people refused to lynch Tumblewood. | ||
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On October 07 2016 20:22 Koshi wrote: meh. Nothing in here makes me want to sheep him. Nothing stands out except maybe the Grack read. I like that one. You called me obvious town around this point yesterday for doing exactly this. Jesus Koshi. | ||
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On October 07 2016 20:33 Koshi wrote: I was probably sleep deprived back then. I also don't recall that at all. I do recall I thought you were town though. Somewhere. Yeah I just checked you're in pretty deep here Koshi. First you were arguing that I was bussing JAT. Now you're citing JAT's reasoning as a reason to scum read me without a connection to JAT when it's basically a summary of all the reasons you town read me to begin with. On October 06 2016 03:15 Koshi wrote: Ohyeah I remember why Palmar is in my scumlist. He wanted to kill both Calix and Grack in consecutive posts when they are obv town. Now that I reread his filter he is 100% mafia on Calix the entire game. The guy is not this bad. ##vote Palmar On October 06 2016 04:19 Koshi wrote: I had a +1 after his name after I did the read up. I don't know what post it exactly was. I think it was for going against the stream and pushing the Calix town read? That being said. He and rels owned my ass superhard last time so I should be still very careful. On October 06 2016 02:35 justanothertownie wrote: Grackaroni: Made a case against me immediately when 1-2 people suddenly started suspecting me when I was gone yesterday. A really lazy and factual problematic case as I have explained lately. He also just harddefended Calix without even knowing what the problem was with her posting. Otherwise he is just existing in this game without doing much. | ||
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On October 07 2016 21:01 Koshi wrote: Those are 2 completely different instances. The reason I called you town in the first quote was because you went against some people pushing your reads. Now I am saying that JAT reason to scumread you is the most sheepable of all his reads. You put those together and call it deep shit? lol Yes when you read JAT's "sheepable reasons" the complete opposite way only the day before. You were one of the people who targeted JAT while he wasn't there. You town read me for defending Calix. | ||
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On October 07 2016 20:14 Koshi wrote: That was Grack. Doubt they are mafia together. On October 07 2016 20:14 Koshi wrote: On the other hand. Grack busses superhard and supercold. Lol yeah you never suggested that. Must be lies. | ||
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On October 07 2016 20:58 Palmar wrote: I don't even care about koshi. We're lynching JAT, and that's what we're doing,. You should. This could be number 2. | ||
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It seems pretty self explanatory to me. Now that Palmar is off the lynch block you're looking for a backup and you're using some reasoning you couldn't possibly agree with to try to support killing me. | ||
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On October 07 2016 21:11 Koshi wrote: The fact that I doubt you are mafia with JAT is my read this game. The fact that you buss is my experience with you in past games. How is the second one more important than the first one? Here's what you are saying: "He's not mafia with JAT" "Actually he's a massive busser" Am I supposed to interpret this as, "hey i just had a thought! He could be bussing Oatsmaster!" | ||
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On October 07 2016 21:19 Koshi wrote: I am not doing that at all. Not at fucking all. marv/JAT/Palmar and if a back up is needed I am thinking Damdred/Scott. Never did I want to go to you. I don't see how I am supposed to interpret this other you calling me scum. On October 07 2016 20:22 Koshi wrote: meh. Nothing in here makes me want to sheep him. Nothing stands out except maybe the Grack read. I like that one. | ||
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On October 07 2016 21:23 NeverUnlucky wrote: Calix, is it safe to assume you dropped your sr on me? You did not follow-up your tunnel with what I have left you when you left, and your two arguments have been disproved. Her arguments were actually pretty good. You just have a lot of other things going for you. | ||
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On October 08 2016 00:06 Palmar wrote: I don't have to, I'm playing supertown, so everything else I do, and any questioning of me is completely irrelevant. That's the spirit. | ||
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On October 08 2016 04:37 marvellosity wrote: go check the voting thread. marv votes. oh look then everyone follows. christ. I think there's a pretty big disconnect between how important you were and how important you think you were in yesterday's votes. | ||
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On October 09 2016 03:56 justanothertownie wrote: There is this awesome new wagon who is not Palmar. I'm not really blown away by your case but it might be the right vote. | ||
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On October 09 2016 04:27 Koshi wrote: Why did I say superbia was mafia? Goddamn... let's just lynch Palmar please. I'd be interested in hearing the answer to the question. | ||
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On October 09 2016 05:14 NeverUnlucky wrote: Wowzers, ya told me you were not going to have any flatmate when I asked. Where do you fit in? If you had to put a name on the mafia, who would they be? o.o Marv/Super/Damdred/Scott. Koshi might also be mafia. | ||
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On October 09 2016 05:22 Superbia wrote: Still town tbh. Still no real time to defend myself. Here's a better reason to sheep. On October 09 2016 03:38 Superbia wrote: Rly? Welp. I played dnd all day and am going to play divinity now. That time is a bitch. | ||
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On October 09 2016 05:27 Superbia wrote: anyway b2play. won't be around for EoD. Don't kill. I'm town. Should be a bit obv too. idk how marv vs palmar played out. idk why NU is voting for me. I actually think Calix is pretty likely mafia at this point in time. Or she's just terrible. Why should it be obvious? | ||
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On October 09 2016 05:53 NeverUnlucky wrote: I am back. I am willing to switch to Damdred and Palmar only. Palmar survived too long already. I actually really like Palmar though. Damdred would be 3 votes with me/you/Palmar and that's not enough. | ||
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On October 09 2016 05:57 NeverUnlucky wrote: The less time we have for a CFD, the better it is. Good point. | ||
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On October 09 2016 05:59 Calix wrote: Why the fuck would you want to sheep Grack? lol The real question is why wouldn't you want to sheep Grack. | ||
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On September 14 2016 05:56 beentheredonethat wrote: Player list:
Oh my god. They're killing all of our scrubs. Watch your back Oatsmaster! You may be next in the que. | ||
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On October 06 2016 08:44 Grackaroni wrote: This sounds like a very arduous task. I shall try my best. | ||
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On October 09 2016 23:45 Calix wrote: Question. How involved have Palmar/ Grack/ Oats been in the mislynches? Stutters/ Scott has either been AFK or jumped on the bandwagon and the only person even remotely involved in the Superbia mislynch was Grack. I think it'll be useful to note down what each of them did. We could even divvy it up between us or some shit, lol. This is incredibly rich. You have hard pushed all 3 flipped town so far. Mafia don't even need to be involved in anything because you are doing everything for them. At least 2 are mafia from the Marv/JAT/Koshi group because they are reading the game incredibly wrong. One of them is being clueless. The other mafia is between Damdred/Scott. | ||
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On October 10 2016 02:07 justanothertownie wrote: Why? Why do you "have to conclude that"? Because now you're pushing Oatsmaster as well as Palmar and I'm pretty sure they are both town. | ||
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On October 10 2016 02:09 justanothertownie wrote: Where am I reading the game incredibly wrong? How can you possibly be town reading Marv? Where even is Marv? He didn't show up for the last lynch. I don't think he cares about the game, and he's been known for giving up as mafia nowadays. | ||
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On October 10 2016 02:11 justanothertownie wrote: Did you read the bullshit oats posted today? Palmar is doing exactly what koshi said - staying above being lynched and not doing anything else. Why do you think they are town? If I am mafia for supposedly misreading them you can surely explain to us lowely people why this should be so obvious, A lot of people are doing that. Scott is doing that. Marv is doing that. Fucking Koshi is doing that, right now. Palmar looks a lot better than all of them from some of the things he has said. | ||
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On October 10 2016 02:14 justanothertownie wrote: But unlike palmar those people weren't the counterwagon to 2 (!) fucking mislynches. Why does that matter? | ||
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On October 10 2016 02:15 justanothertownie wrote: And I can lynch scott easily for what calix brought up earlier combined with his extremely shallow reads. Sounds good to me. But you've been pushing Oatsmaster recently for making verbal salad when Oatsmaster is known for doing this. | ||
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On October 10 2016 02:17 justanothertownie wrote: It matters because palmar had more reason to do shit. He is complaining now but did he do anything about either lynch? No. And he WAS around. He said the superbia lynch is alright and now everyone suddenly is a retard. And he could have just not shown up at all rather than show up at the last minute to dispute the lynch and he would have attracted far less attention. | ||
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On October 08 2016 05:14 Palmar wrote: it isn't dull, it's correct. You lack confidence, that points to you being mafia, but fuck it let's pretend you're not for a little bit for the sake of moving the game forward. By lack of confidence, I mean your ridiculous emphasis on getting me to answer some completely tangential questions you have no need for to determine my alignment. But if you must, the explanation is very simple. I wasn't very much around, I didn't think bats was scum and I'm not mafia. I tried to push for a Calix lynch, which I've now decided was retarded. At the deadline I was mad and only barely paying attention to the thread. I did explain my reasoning for voting HF, but in hindsight I was just being a moron and failed to catch what is a fairly obvious joke. I got mad and voted him. Essentially, I got trolled. Of course he started posting like a townie and making sense again, so I came around, also realizing that I was just being stupid. Someone said during that time that HF was scummy for pulling the "it was just a joke" defense, but whatever. I think this was a very townie response from Palmar right here. | ||
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On October 10 2016 02:19 justanothertownie wrote: It wasn't verbal salad. It was straight up making up shit. Read it again if you didn't understood it. He couldn't even name the smallest reason for me to be mafia. It was pathetic. If you call me mafia for scumreading him then explain to me how he can be town. He's saying that you are mafia because he thinks that there needs to be an active mafia player pushing people away from Scott/Damdred. It's not likely to be Calix, so that pretty much leaves you. | ||
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On October 10 2016 02:21 justanothertownie wrote: Sure, but he still was the counterwagon so not showing up would be pretty dangerous, don't you agree? If he appears at the last minute as mafia people will not believe him. I didn't really consider Palmar the counterwagon, but sure, let's go there. Mafia! Palmar sees the lynch train headed to town! Superbia guided by JAT and Calix. "Oh my god, I'm so nervous about being lynched!" Proclaims mafia! Palmar. He decides to show up before the lynch to proclaim, "Superbia is town! Let's lynch somebody else!" After he said that he disappeared because now he was clearly safe from the lynch. Do you really believe this shit? Showing up and telling people not to lynch somebody is dangerous for him. This is the second time he has endangered himself by doing this. | ||
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On October 10 2016 02:24 justanothertownie wrote: Like, I am perfectly ok with palmar and marv fighting it out and lynching the loser but I won't let you tell me that I am mafia for not townreading palmar or mafiareading oatsmaster. That is pure bullshit. I'm probably going to write a case on Koshi later for calling me mafia and then backing off really badly. I'm suspicious of you because you are reading the game completely opposite of me and you are the one who is putting in the effort to make sure that my townreads/myself get killed. I actually liked that you followed through with your meta read on Superbia earlier, but the disparity in our reads is going to have to change at some point if my read is going to change. | ||
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On October 10 2016 02:31 justanothertownie wrote: Or maybe you are just wrong and I am right? Yes, I was wrong on superbia. Shit happens. But you can't tell me I didn't have really good reasons to suspect him or that he was obvious town. No I don't think he was obvious town. I was undecided and chose to trust your read at first, and then I changed my mind because I was trusting Palmar to be right. Basically, I'm a massive sheep. | ||
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On October 09 2016 19:24 justanothertownie wrote: Oats is probably mafia. Can anyone tell me how the green and the red can go together in the mindset of a townie? If you thought he could have easily flipped mafia then how on earth is it scummy for me to push his lynch? Or why would the lynch not happen without scum intervention? It doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. If you don't even think damdred is mafia then why would scum need to intervene to get the lynch off of him and onto someone else? These 2 posts alone are full with contradictions. The Palmar point is alright though. He had no business being right on superbia there after calling himself an acceptable lynch just before. And he also never moved his vote away from me or tried to convince anyone to lynch who he wants to be lynched. You cannot complain afterwards if you didn't do anything about the lynch while you were clearly around at times. This is the point that Oats is making in his post: He feels that without scum intervention Damdred or Scott would have been the lynch, and you were the only one (besides Koshi actually, Oats missed that) who bothered to put in the groundwork for a lynch that wasn't Damdred/Scott. | ||
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Plus you being mafia would make me an amazing seer. On October 09 2016 06:20 Grackaroni wrote: Oh my god. They're killing all of our scrubs. Watch your back Oatsmaster! You may be next in the que. | ||
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On October 09 2016 21:00 Oatsmaster wrote: hes idependantly scummy, also what a retarded vote on damdred then the super sheep onto super. Ok really going nowhere jat. Like you really think that I cant find shit in other peoples filters? Honestly. The worst thing I see from the Oats argument is that he's calling out Scott's votes while agreeing that Damdred and Super were scummy. He should explain that. Other than that, I don't mind the reasoning. | ||
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On October 10 2016 02:57 justanothertownie wrote: lol, what? You don't mind the reasoning? There IS no fucking reasoning. Because you were the only non-Koshi person that put effort into getting a lynch yesterday. If the mafia are truly just the people on the bottom and the team is like Scott/Damdred/Palmar then scum probably has an active player misdirecting people. None of them were safe from being consolidated on. Again, I'm probably going to push Koshi tomorrow, or I'll push Marv if he doesn't show up tomorrow with some sort of insight into the game. I realize that it sucks to be pushed for putting in some effort, but when we have a bunch of strong town reads and mafia are still avoiding the lynch that starts to look like a bad thing. | ||
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On October 10 2016 01:55 Palmar wrote: Like marv townread me, or at least pretended to turn it around, and just left his vote on me and did nothing the rest of the day I physically can't lead this, I just happen to have very little time to play, I can be here occasionally and give opinions. I have 8 pages of filter, but I cannot spend the time to whip this bunch of morons into shape. And I have no idea why no one else is trying to do it. It's frustrating as fuck. Bye for now. This is also something that happened. | ||
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On October 10 2016 03:31 justanothertownie wrote: But to be honest if I remember correctly marv just wasn't around at all since then. He said he would be around, and then he made one post the next day and disappeared. | ||
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On October 10 2016 04:03 Koshi wrote: Damdred being scum is based on nothing actually. I am ok with his filter. So Palmar/Scott/Oats remain. What do you dislike from Scott's filter? | ||
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On October 10 2016 04:06 Koshi wrote: Did you make your case on me already? Or did you realize you misread my post? Not yet. I haven't misread anything. I'm just not sure whether trying to get people to lynch you tomorrow is a good idea when Palmar is so sure that Marv is mafia. | ||
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On October 10 2016 04:10 Koshi wrote: Maybe you are. But Palmar/Grack mafia is not something I believe in. Me neither. | ||
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On October 08 2016 22:56 Koshi wrote: ↓ shitty post that explains nothing. Why did you push Calix over the entire day? Saying she is obvious town now doesn't explain why you thought she was mafia back then. Reading your filter there is not 1 single reason. This is all wifom. Being able to convince a couple people you are town isn't hard. It's called buddying which you did while jumping on the Grack train running at JAT. Which was extremely opportunistic and lucky because it excused you from going after marv which you were waffling towards back then. Even in Koshi's case his idea is that Marv is Palmar's scumbuddy. Also on day1 he pushes Palmar because "he can't be this bad" while not holding Marv to the same standard. On October 06 2016 03:15 Koshi wrote: Ohyeah I remember why Palmar is in my scumlist. He wanted to kill both Calix and Grack in consecutive posts when they are obv town. Now that I reread his filter he is 100% mafia on Calix the entire game. The guy is not this bad. ##vote Palmar On October 06 2016 03:42 Koshi wrote: Really? You think there is a chance that Calix is mafia? What about Palmar? | ||
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On October 10 2016 04:30 justanothertownie wrote: Grack, do you realize that marv was mislynched by palmar (and myself to be honest) in his last game? No. Which game was this? | ||
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On October 10 2016 04:36 Koshi wrote: Maybe you should stop repeating that shit and proof it. On October 10 2016 04:32 Grackaroni wrote: Actually there seems to be quite a few Koshi contradictions right now. There's also the flailing from when I pushed him that I will go into later. | ||
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On October 10 2016 04:34 justanothertownie wrote: The same game where the superbia stuff came from. Holyflare mafia. If that didn't happen I would have probably lynched him already but it makes me very hesitant to call him mafia when his tone and content was alright while he was around. Has Marv ever been caught as mafia for having a strange tone? Content has also been completely absent this game. | ||
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On October 10 2016 04:43 Koshi wrote: Dnu why you people have to be so difficult. Just lynch Palmar. There is no way in hell he flips town. I'll let you figure this one out for yourself. | ||
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On October 10 2016 04:46 Calix wrote: Jesus Christ, I'm going to die in just over an hour and some garbage accusations on Marv and Koshi are what come up? Grack and Palmar can join Team Go Fuck Yourselves for whining that we're scum-reading them when they have done jack shit the entire game. The only valid point I saw in that was Grack defending Palmar with the "calling Superbia a bad lynch just draws attention to him" argument. Otherwise no. Waaaaah you haven't done anything. Waaaaaah now you are accusing Marv and Koshi and I dislike that. Make your choice. You're one of the biggest whiners here. | ||
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On October 10 2016 04:53 Calix wrote: You haven't done anything yet you have the audacity to talk shit about the people who have? Why is it that you've only sprung to life after people start accusing you? lol I'm trying to point out why we should be pushing Marv. You rudely accuse me of not doing anything while I am doing something. I believe you stated that defensiveness wasn't a scum trait earlier? Nice one, Calix. | ||
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On October 10 2016 05:01 Calix wrote: Just to repeat it again, Grack. Go fuck yourself. Rude. | ||
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On October 10 2016 05:30 Calix wrote: HF also believed that Palmar was mafia for meta reasons. Using meta arguments is fucking stupid. Come up with something original plz. If they say the same thing how am I fear mongering? | ||
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On October 10 2016 05:35 Calix wrote: They are town. You are scum, etc etc. You know this song and dance. You're using Marv's inactivity as the primary factor for why he's scum which is obvious bullshit and not a case because activity is NAI. I'd rather see this 'amazing' case against Koshi just so you can incriminate yourself and save me the effort. Lol. | ||
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On October 10 2016 05:42 Calix wrote: I'm mostly pissed off from how Palmar/ Grack were acting in the chat earlier. I'm pissed off too. | ||
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I don't think the Palmar lynch should have happened, and I'm not quite sure why Marv went through with it. After the day 3 lynch I think town was already finished with Damdred/Scott still left as question marks for the majority of town. Also as much as I'd like to take credit for getting the correct guess in obs, Btdt told us half the scum team lol. | ||
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