EPTWhile the argument isn't amazing against ca I think it does sort of make me lean town on never.
What do you think?
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Damdred
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While the argument isn't amazing against ca I think it does sort of make me lean town on never. What do you think? | ||
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Damdred
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On September 09 2016 07:25 Shapelog wrote: Vivax point is good (or at least points out the inconsistent in agenda) But you said the bold was NAI? I can kinda understand the rest. Yes, it's NAI in most setups. I just don't believe it can be a town slip in this particular setup. My scum-read on Calix is not a strong one yet. It's mostly a gut read. I want her to respond to my posts and convince me she's town if she is. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On September 09 2016 07:16 NeverUnlucky wrote: It's a very mild scum tell and always will be. Yes, I used it in my last line... in a different context. The "we" I used referred to you and me, not the town. Nice misrep attempt. Ugh, I know, and I apologize. I won't use meta anymore. :3 In regards to your LW point: you stated that town should use surnames/quotes to refer to X player and then mentioned that scum can manipulate LWs. So you knew that what you were going to say wasn't going to be helpful for town anyways. Why did you feel the need to mention this? What do you think of my first post? How did you think that town had PRs before they were lynched? It's a PRONOUN. Bloody Hell, if you're going to start a tunnel based on this, you're going to be useless. That wasn't a misrep because I was using it to say that your point sucked, not to discredit you. Scum can only manipulate LWs twice. The game is going to go on for more than two nights. There is going to be at least one accurate LW in there, no? Don't care to look. Where did I imply this again? I forget. On September 09 2016 07:19 Vivax wrote: But that's about your first point, not the second one. Which makes it look to me like your second one might as well not be there. Proceeding with the dissection: There's always the chance that the scum can interfere with the message being given. -> yes, but what's the point of saying this. Although they can only rewrite LWs twice, we can't rely on the LWs much -> And yet you suggest a plan that seems to deem them important. but I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented. -> Cause scum can manipulate LW, you want LW to be reliable communication? These two statements don't mesh together. Why? Cause scum can manipulate LW, no LWs are reliable. Main point being: I found your second point there to just be fluff. The point is that we can't trust the messages too much but that it's still a good idea for the dead town to try and communicate with the rest of the thread anyhow. (trying to post correct information > not trying at all) I'm not sure how saying "hey, here are some ways that the town could try to communicate info via their LWs" is a bad thing. I also didn't say "LWs are reliable" and openly said that we shouldn't trust them...which is something that you note in the rest of your post. I'm not seeing how you're concluding half the things that you are from my posts. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On September 09 2016 07:29 Damdred wrote: Damn never says I should scum read him for being confrontational. I said the opposite, zzz. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
I think you can be town I do think you are harping on something that doesn't quite make calix scum in this situation though. Now what do you think of vivax? | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On September 09 2016 07:30 NeverUnlucky wrote: Yes, it's NAI in most setups. I just don't believe it can be a town slip in this particular setup. My scum-read on Calix is not a strong one yet. It's mostly a gut read. I want her to respond to my posts and convince me she's town if she is. No, moron. I'm not going to waste my time on 'convincing' you that I'm town. Nothing you said holds any weight. Go figure that I can't get a break from people scum-reading me for the worst reasons. In any case, pretty sure you are town given your fixation on this 'scum tell' of mine. By all means continue to waste time asking 20 questions though until you wise the fuck up. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
Don't care to look. Where did I imply this again? I forget.[/quote] Stating the obvious. Ugh, you're already pissing me off. Here it is: On September 09 2016 06:45 NeverUnlucky wrote: I'm not sure how games are started here, so I will do some setup speculation. The "Death Whisperer" is a heavy counter to TPRs. + Show Spoiler + Death Whisperer Win condition: Win anytime living mafia members equals or outnumbers living town members. Ghost curse: Once per game at night, you can target one player. If that person is protected by the benevolent ghosts' protection, he will die. If that person is targeted by the spirit's KP, he will protected from it. Death tracker: Spectral (can be used even if dead). If you successfully killed someone with your ghost curse, you will have access to the Benevolent Ghost QT after your death. You won't be able to post in it. If you successfully protected someone with your ghost curse, you will have access to the Vengeful Spirit QT after your death. You won't be able to post in it.] Using a TPR ability unwisely can backfire terribly if countered by the DW. Do you think TPRs should act every night? If we ML today, the Vengeful spirit should not use his vigilante shot today as the DW will 100% target one of the three mafias. He has no reason to target townies as the Benevolent Ghost won't exist by then. Therefore, using the sole vigilante bullet N1 has the most chance of it going to waste. It is preferable to do an alignment check on any player and keep the shot for the following nights where the DW won't necessarily target a mafia. Your thoughts? You implied this in your first post. You said: "Names aren't allowed in Last Wills but if you wanted to reference a player (e.g., say you're a Sheriff-Vig who wanted to say "I checked X/ this player is innocent/ guilty")" | ||
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Vivax
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On September 09 2016 07:35 Calix wrote: No, moron. I'm not going to waste my time on 'convincing' you that I'm town. Nothing you said holds any weight. Go figure that I can't get a break from people scum-reading me for the worst reasons. In any case, pretty sure you are town given your fixation on this 'scum tell' of mine. By all means continue to waste time asking 20 questions though until you wise the fuck up. You'll fit right in here! | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
God this game might end up being easy | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On September 09 2016 07:35 Damdred wrote: It was a joke never. I think you can be town I do think you are harping on something that doesn't quite make calix scum in this situation though. Now what do you think of vivax? "It's a joke guise" Maybe I'm off, maybe I'm biased because she's the only player I know. She hasn't done anything I can see worthy of being town-read, so I'm satisfied with my read so far. What are your thoughts on her? I agree with the post he made about Calix's fluff, and I like that he is trying to scum-hunt unlike most players here. However, he did twist some of the things Calix said. Was it in an attempt to throw shade? Was it just a misrep? I don't know yet. I will say that I do not like your slot. You've been sitting back, trying to read solely me and Calix, the new players, the low hanging fruits. You haven't tried to scum-hunt yet either, prefering to ask players some non-confrontational questions instead. Lean-scum. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5188 Posts
On September 09 2016 07:28 Damdred wrote: Shapey I think never is interesting, I kind of like to think a new person to the site would be more timid rolling scum but he's so aggro and wanting to talk. While the argument isn't amazing against ca I think it does sort of make me lean town on never. What do you think? Well he knows Calix. He and Cal played on the same site that I met them on. Aka, NU has meta on Calix. Also, like NU has said, they aren't new people at all. They also knew roughly what TL was like, due to me talking about it in the game we were in. If it was someone on this site, I would perhaps feel maybe it would be slightly townie. As he doesn't have anything to compare to right now in this case. + Show Spoiler + From personal experience of rolling mafia offsite, I never felt like i was more timid. I felt like i played horrible (bad fake scum hunting), I didn't feel like I couldn't post. Eh, thinking further, The only thing I could support a town lean on him is his endurance on calling Cal scum rn. And that's not much. Maybe also adding his own points, but those two out of three he stated to be NAI. Also, are you drunk? You seem Drunk. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5188 Posts
On September 09 2016 07:21 Damdred wrote: Hi, Who wants to be my friend? I will nee protecting this game from scum as I find myself deactivated already. Maybe vivax will be my defender And your are our champion. What makes you think he was throwing shade on other players (as opposed to say, trying to start discussion or scum-hunt)? I have my own thoughts below but would like your taken on this. While I feel like he was misrepresenting what I said (with saying that I was 'suggesting we should No Lynch' when that's not possible and 'you haven't given any ideas on how to communicate with the dead') I can see someone trying to be provocative to get a reaction or move the conversation in a more productive direction so I'm not confident in my read of him. I'm also biased by default so I'm not sure wherever my scum lean on him is due to the "he's pushing me so he must be trying to mislynch me" bias or because he legitimately strawed my points. Leaning towards the latter given the examples above though. It is just the way his posts come off to me originally. On September 09 2016 06:46 Vivax wrote: Bolded seems like fluff tbh cause you don't seem to have any own ideas to contribute for this part. "we have to find out what to do" . Who would've thought. Your last point is also pretty uninformative. It's like you're suggesting not to lynch. Doesn't look as bad as your second though. But still. You get a bit of benefit of the doubt for this being your first game here, but if somebody is meh for me right now it's you. On September 09 2016 06:50 Vivax wrote: Is this some shitty attempt at getting easy townreads by replicating trfels opener from last game? Looking back at the bold, I kinda see differently in the first (sense i feel mafia Vixax might of just not give you a break to make the point more against you.) But basically, it boils to how vivax phased it (and I associated it with how scum would phase something) Especially the second one. I made a remark about it too, but the way Vivax made it sound it to me was like he thought TT was mafia for trying to act like Trofl's opening, since it got him (trofl) Town reads. If all his posts so far was like that, I would be sus. But it wasn't the case, so I posted it and colluded NAI, so I could still debate it with people (aka get others views) like how you and me are. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On September 09 2016 07:36 NeverUnlucky wrote: [quote=Calix]Scum can only manipulate LWs twice. The game is going to go on for more than two nights. There is going to be at least one accurate LW in there, no? Don't care to look. Where did I imply this again? I forget. Stating the obvious. Ugh, you're already pissing me off. Here it is: On September 09 2016 06:45 NeverUnlucky wrote: I'm not sure how games are started here, so I will do some setup speculation. The "Death Whisperer" is a heavy counter to TPRs. + Show Spoiler + Death Whisperer Win condition: Win anytime living mafia members equals or outnumbers living town members. Ghost curse: Once per game at night, you can target one player. If that person is protected by the benevolent ghosts' protection, he will die. If that person is targeted by the spirit's KP, he will protected from it. Death tracker: Spectral (can be used even if dead). If you successfully killed someone with your ghost curse, you will have access to the Benevolent Ghost QT after your death. You won't be able to post in it. If you successfully protected someone with your ghost curse, you will have access to the Vengeful Spirit QT after your death. You won't be able to post in it.] Using a TPR ability unwisely can backfire terribly if countered by the DW. Do you think TPRs should act every night? If we ML today, the Vengeful spirit should not use his vigilante shot today as the DW will 100% target one of the three mafias. He has no reason to target townies as the Benevolent Ghost won't exist by then. Therefore, using the sole vigilante bullet N1 has the most chance of it going to waste. It is preferable to do an alignment check on any player and keep the shot for the following nights where the DW won't necessarily target a mafia. Your thoughts? You implied this in your first post. You said: "Names aren't allowed in Last Wills but if you wanted to reference a player (e.g., say you're a Sheriff-Vig who wanted to say "I checked X/ this player is innocent/ guilty")" [/QUOTE] Ah yes, because the person who tries to meta-read me right off the bat is the person who deserves to be pissed off between the two of us. Yeah no. I still think TPRs should use their actions every night. Agreed that Vig shouldn't shoot N1 - it's a mid-game thing given that Vig cannot shoot if the game hits five players. Pretty sure someone already said that TPR-directing = bad so won't harp on about that. You get a Sheriff-Vig when someone is lynched, yes? They can use their LW to say "I checked X". On N2, the next person to get lynched can say "X is inno/ guilty" (in retrospect, telling people who the Sheriff checked N1 is kind of dumb but that's what I was saying at the time, not implying that town had TPRs before N1) What are you suggesting here? I don't know wherever that's an insult, a compliment or some comment on my alignment. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On September 09 2016 07:35 Calix wrote: No, moron. I'm not going to waste my time on 'convincing' you that I'm town. Nothing you said holds any weight. Go figure that I can't get a break from people scum-reading me for the worst reasons. In any case, pretty sure you are town given your fixation on this 'scum tell' of mine. By all means continue to waste time asking 20 questions though until you wise the fuck up. Why did this arouse me? | ||
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fuba
United States663 Posts
I'm feeling a lot of indignation from calix, which I usually consider to be more of a town tell. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5188 Posts
On September 09 2016 07:30 NeverUnlucky wrote: Yes, it's NAI in most setups. I just don't believe it can be a town slip in this particular setup. My scum-read on Calix is not a strong one yet. It's mostly a gut read. I want her to respond to my posts and convince me she's town if she is. But.... Also, she infered that town had PRs before they were lynched which shows she didn't correctly read the setup. It's NAI, You state the set up of this game. The fact she didn't read it. And concluded NAI. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
Calix: You get a Sheriff-Vig when someone is lynched, yes? They can use their LW to say "I checked X". On N2, the next person to get lynched can say "X is inno/ guilty" You do, but they cannot interact with the town anymore. They share a QT, yo. Their LW will be ones they had as Vanilla Townies. Sorry for pissing you off :3 | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On September 09 2016 07:46 Shapelog wrote: But.... You state the set up of this game. The fact she didn't read it. And concluded NAI. I've already responded to this. Interpret my contradiction the way you like if my answer doesn't satisfy you. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5188 Posts
You secretly have a fetish for demanding women who uses the word "fixation". I still think TPRs should use their actions every night. Agreed that Vig shouldn't shoot N1 - it's a mid-game thing given that Vig cannot shoot if the game hits five players. Pretty sure someone already said that TPR-directing = bad so won't harp on about that. You get a Sheriff-Vig when someone is lynched, yes? They can use their LW to say "I checked X". On N2, the next person to get lynched can say "X is inno/ guilty" (in retrospect, telling people who the Sheriff checked N1 is kind of dumb but that's what I was saying at the time, not implying that town had TPRs before N1) Vig cannot shoot n1. Vig is person(s) who are NK. They can check too. One who is lynched are doctors. Already talked about how hard it is to tell difference in altered LW. [quote]I will say that I do not like your slot. You've been sitting back, trying to read solely me and Calix, the new players, the low hanging fruits. You haven't tried to scum-hunt yet either, prefering to ask players some non-confrontational questions instead. Lean-scum.[/quote He should read me. Period. | ||
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