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On September 09 2016 08:11 Calix wrote:
Can you cut the crap with referring to Eggy every game? Nobody here knows who you're talking about and it's petty.
Pointing out fallacies =/= scum-hunting. Going "oh you misrepped me and made an appeal to emotion" isn't the same thing as detailed analysis.
Vivax's post that I responded to is a MUCH better example of legit scum-hunting even if he's wrong. Maybe try emulating that instead of going "boom! Found a scum tell, gg no re"
I don't agree with Damdred that he's scum-hunting. He claims to be using POE (with town-reads) but that is not the same thing imo. Otherwise not sure what he would be referring to.
Fluff.
Fluff.
Fluff and shade-throw: My attitude in no way suggests that I am certain that I found a scum and that the game is 'geegee no re ez'. btw you said 'geegee' without the e's, get modkilled, nerd.
That's what I said.
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The calix issue for me is that she was so intent on proceeding to splitting atoms with me when I pointed it out.
I'd have felt better about the post if I just had gotten back as answer "alright it's fluffy but I wanted to talk about setup so it's obvious that it's going to be fluffy" instead of her defending the points she made so rabidly (for example in fear of looking bad if not able to defend them).
It's early enough for me to still chill and force silent people to post without having to jump into tunnels, so I'll just judge calix based on other stuff as well, but this will definitely be an argument should I decide for myself that she's mafia.
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Anyways
TickTock and fuba probs deserve a vote for fucking off right after posting, when the thread must have looked pretty busy already.
I wouldn't mind pressure voting them. Skynx can be in this pool too rn.
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On September 09 2016 08:17 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 08:11 Calix wrote:
Can you cut the crap with referring to Eggy every game? Nobody here knows who you're talking about and it's petty.
Pointing out fallacies =/= scum-hunting. Going "oh you misrepped me and made an appeal to emotion" isn't the same thing as detailed analysis.
Vivax's post that I responded to is a MUCH better example of legit scum-hunting even if he's wrong. Maybe try emulating that instead of going "boom! Found a scum tell, gg no re"
I don't agree with Damdred that he's scum-hunting. He claims to be using POE (with town-reads) but that is not the same thing imo. Otherwise not sure what he would be referring to. Fluff. Fluff. Fluff and shade-throw: My attitude in no way suggests that I am certain that I found a scum and that the game is 'geegee no re ez'. btw you said 'geegee' without the e's, get modkilled, nerd. That's what I said.
I was calling you out on making posts such as "fluff, misrep" etc because they're stupid, aren't scum-indicative and persuade NOBODY because you don't explain your thought process when you just post the name of the logical fallacy of the week or whatever...and you proceed to do exactly that instead of listening.
I'm done talking to you until you pull your head out of your arse.
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On September 09 2016 08:19 Shapelog wrote:Anyways Show nested quote +TickTock and fuba probs deserve a vote for fucking off right after posting, when the thread must have looked pretty busy already. I wouldn't mind pressure voting them. Skynx can be in this pool too rn.
Calling a vote a "pressure vote" nullifies the intent.
Also, do you think TickTock's post was him trolling about rolling mafia or him rolling mafia and WIFOMing to be trolling about rolling mafia?
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On September 09 2016 08:22 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 08:19 Shapelog wrote:Anyways TickTock and fuba probs deserve a vote for fucking off right after posting, when the thread must have looked pretty busy already. I wouldn't mind pressure voting them. Skynx can be in this pool too rn. Calling a vote a "pressure vote" nullifies the intent. Also, do you think TickTock's post was him trolling about rolling mafia or him rolling mafia and WIFOMing to be trolling about rolling mafia?
Calling a waitress at Hooters "strippers" nullifies the resultant theme.
I already talked about TT's post (aka I stated I didn't really like how he set himself up to be afk already). In regards to Mafia WIFOM, I couldn't tell you. I rolled 2 games with scum TT, and they were months/last year. I really didn't pay any attention to how much he WIFOMs people.
I am waiting till he comes back and posts (if he does) and go from there.
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Prob. getting off in a bit. 7:41 PM here..... Will reread Vivax's posts tomorrow when I am not tiredish.
On September 09 2016 08:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Early reads list:
TOWN
Vivax
NU
LEAN TOWN
Shapelog
NULL
Everyone who hasn't posted+those who trolled and left
LEAN SCUM
Damdred
Calix
Lol. Vivax is more of a town read then himself.
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Eh,
So far:
Damdred hasn't done enough really to warrant anything higher then null. Kinda weak rn.
NU included Damdred into scumville.
Made my opionon on their fight (NU and Cal) clear. Prob. reread it tomorrow.
Vivax also in there in terms of reenvu. Though I have read some of his posts again, and see my earier grievance becoming less and less.
Experienced players cannot give reads on me:
+ Show Spoiler +Maybe because of what I did to damdred in storm/all last mafia games. ![[image loading]](https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/71595329.jpg)
And thats it
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Honestly I'm good at reading you shape and I like hedging on you because you are better mafia player than you let on.
Anyway be back later
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On September 09 2016 08:17 Vivax wrote:
The calix issue for me is that she was so intent on proceeding to splitting atoms with me when I pointed it out.
I'd have felt better about the post if I just had gotten back as answer "alright it's fluffy but I wanted to talk about setup so it's obvious that it's going to be fluffy" instead of her defending the points she made so rabidly (for example in fear of looking bad if not able to defend them).
It's early enough for me to still chill and force silent people to post without having to jump into tunnels, so I'll just judge calix based on other stuff as well, but this will definitely be an argument should I decide for myself that she's mafia.
Actually a good point, may have to reexamine your argument when I get out of class.
And I've used my 2 15 minute break to at least say something about the game (regardless of how minimal it is). Not sure I fit with anyone who's trolled or called everyone boring and skipped off.
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there is one thing I have on Shapelog that makes me feel really smart. I think he is town because of his setup spec early game, because it shows that he is genuinely interested and not doing it for town cred because setup spec is generally something people scumread you for. not 100% but I'm sticking with it.
other people:
vivax is probably town just for tone and care-ness
calix looks town and NU looks scum to me. even though their entrances were the same from a surface-level point of view, calix feels more genuine and helpful.
Damdred interests me but I do not yet have feelings toward his alignment
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fuba also seems pretty cool
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On September 09 2016 07:25 Shapelog wrote:Vivax point is good (or at least points out the inconsistent in agenda) Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 07:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 09 2016 07:14 Shapelog wrote:
So....Your scum reading her, based off of (meta) pro-noun usage.
Incorrect. It's based off her fluff, her LW setup spec that didn't advantage town, and her misreading the setup.The town roles are so straightforward, no town would think that there are PRs D1. But you said the bold was NAI? Show nested quote +Also, she infered that town had PRs before they were lynched which shows she didn't correctly read the setup. It's NAI, To add to your point about her fluff: she used words like "we" -- Scum tend to use those words more than town to fit in the group. Scum!Calix uses "we" a lot. I can kinda understand the rest.
I was expecting to find some good stuff here, but Vivax's points are actually really meh.
We're talking about the set up here. There's no reason whatsoever why scum would have worse thoughts on the setup than town.
Also fair warning: If I get lynched day 1 I'm totally shooting.
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On September 09 2016 09:24 Tumblewood wrote:
there is one thing I have on Shapelog that makes me feel really smart. I think he is town because of his setup spec early game, because it shows that he is genuinely interested and not doing it for town cred because setup spec is generally something people scumread you for. not 100% but I'm sticking with it.
other people:
vivax is probably town just for tone and care-ness
calix looks town and NU looks scum to me. even though their entrances were the same from a surface-level point of view, calix feels more genuine and helpful.
Damdred interests me but I do not yet have feelings toward his alignment
"Doing X gets you scum-read so anyone who does X is town because scum don't want to risk the negative attention" - Isn't this argument based around WIFOM? I don't know what this site's view towards setup spec is but I consider it NAI. It's commonplace on my home site. I don't disagree with the conclusion but I dislike the reasoning.
Your NU scum-read doesn't make sense. Why would the fact that I 'feel more genuine and helpful' have an impact on what NU's alignment is? You just used someone else to give a scum-read on another player.
You say our entrances are the same on the 'surface level' so how do they differ underneath that then?
So Damdred's a null? Not sure why you included him - why does he interest you?
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on second thought NU confuses me too much to call him scum
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On September 09 2016 09:31 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 09:24 Tumblewood wrote:
there is one thing I have on Shapelog that makes me feel really smart. I think he is town because of his setup spec early game, because it shows that he is genuinely interested and not doing it for town cred because setup spec is generally something people scumread you for. not 100% but I'm sticking with it.
other people:
vivax is probably town just for tone and care-ness
calix looks town and NU looks scum to me. even though their entrances were the same from a surface-level point of view, calix feels more genuine and helpful.
Damdred interests me but I do not yet have feelings toward his alignment "Doing X gets you scum-read so anyone who does X is town because scum don't want to risk the negative attention" - Isn't this argument based around WIFOM? I don't know what this site's view towards setup spec is but I consider it NAI. It's commonplace on my home site. I don't disagree with the conclusion but I dislike the reasoning. Your NU scum-read doesn't make sense. Why would the fact that I 'feel more genuine and helpful' have an impact on what NU's alignment is? You just used someone else to give a scum-read on another player. You say our entrances are the same on the 'surface level' so how do they differ underneath that then? So Damdred's a null? Not sure why you included him - why does he interest you?
see, the argument looks like wifom, because it is, but scum!shape is better at looking town than town!shape and is unlikely to do setup spec imo
re: NU, I implied that NU did not feel genuine. sorry if that was unclear. and the genuineness was what differed, more or less.
and ya Damdred interests me because of how he wants to form a town circle (and also his posting style - more on that eventually) already but I have not yet determined what this means about his alignment.
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dealing with new players and players from other sites gives me mixed feelings. they're never assimilated into the site meta (except you Skynx <3) but I need to still play mafia with them. adapting is hard
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On September 09 2016 06:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 06:46 Tictock wrote:
Aw shucks, my streak of rolling town has come to an end.
Guess I wont be posting much so I don't accidentally give you guys info. Is this some shitty attempt at getting easy townreads by replicating trfels opener from last game???????
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like I always feel like "look trust me I'm town" and it's true but they don't read me like the people on TL do. it felt that way last game when everyone was blind.
can I request a vet to talk to? preferably after I get out of the shower
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On September 09 2016 09:31 Tumblewood wrote:
on second thought NU confuses me too much to call him scum
What the fuck? If players confuse you you call them scum? If they confuse you too much you don't?
I'm the one who's confused here.
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