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On September 09 2016 09:44 Tumblewood wrote:
like I always feel like "look trust me I'm town" and it's true but they don't read me like the people on TL do. it felt that way last game when everyone was blind.
can I request a vet to talk to? preferably after I get out of the shower
You seemed pretty weird last game. I think most of the obs qt scum read you day 1 too.
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oh hi tictock.
this is tictock. I do not recall the last time he wifomed at the start so let's call it NAI for now.
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On September 09 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 09:31 Calix wrote:On September 09 2016 09:24 Tumblewood wrote:
there is one thing I have on Shapelog that makes me feel really smart. I think he is town because of his setup spec early game, because it shows that he is genuinely interested and not doing it for town cred because setup spec is generally something people scumread you for. not 100% but I'm sticking with it.
other people:
vivax is probably town just for tone and care-ness
calix looks town and NU looks scum to me. even though their entrances were the same from a surface-level point of view, calix feels more genuine and helpful.
Damdred interests me but I do not yet have feelings toward his alignment "Doing X gets you scum-read so anyone who does X is town because scum don't want to risk the negative attention" - Isn't this argument based around WIFOM? I don't know what this site's view towards setup spec is but I consider it NAI. It's commonplace on my home site. I don't disagree with the conclusion but I dislike the reasoning. Your NU scum-read doesn't make sense. Why would the fact that I 'feel more genuine and helpful' have an impact on what NU's alignment is? You just used someone else to give a scum-read on another player. You say our entrances are the same on the 'surface level' so how do they differ underneath that then? So Damdred's a null? Not sure why you included him - why does he interest you? see, the argument looks like wifom, because it is, but scum!shape is better at looking town than town!shape and is unlikely to do setup spec imo re: NU, I implied that NU did not feel genuine. sorry if that was unclear. and the genuineness was what differed, more or less. and ya Damdred interests me because of how he wants to form a town circle (and also his posting style - more on that eventually) already but I have not yet determined what this means about his alignment.
WIFOM and meta, two of my favourite things ever. Well I can't comment further on that read since I've only been in one game with Shapelog (which tells me nothing) and I'd rather remain ignorant so that my reads aren't tainted by subjective interpretations of how someone acted in a previous game. Also I hate being meta-read myself.
Can you point me to where you felt that NU was insincere? Or explain why him confusing you so much means he's less likely to be scum? I don't relate to your thought process so far.
Personally I think trying to force a town circle just creates friction and increases the chance of scum getting into one. I don't think he was doing that though, just said he wanted to lynch outside of his town circle...which is basically going "I will lynch a null/ scum read over a town read" so I don't think there's much to be found there.
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On September 09 2016 06:59 Shapelog wrote:
Hmm, I wanted to say vivax came into the game and only has pointed out sus, things in other people's posts (aka following mafia agenda). But he did play around a little bit with skynx and palmar post.
I'll give you a fairly lazy townlean for this post.
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On September 09 2016 09:24 Tumblewood wrote:
there is one thing I have on Shapelog that makes me feel really smart. I think he is town because of his setup spec early game, because it shows that he is genuinely interested and not doing it for town cred because setup spec is generally something people scumread you for. not 100% but I'm sticking with it.
other people:
vivax is probably town just for tone and care-ness
calix looks town and NU looks scum to me. even though their entrances were the same from a surface-level point of view, calix feels more genuine and helpful.
Damdred interests me but I do not yet have feelings toward his alignment
"Calix is more genuine than NU, thus NU is scum, Calix is town." WTF
How does he interest you? How is this relevant?
On September 09 2016 09:26 Tumblewood wrote:
fuba also seems pretty cool
Meaning?
On September 09 2016 09:42 Tumblewood wrote:
dealing with new players and players from other sites gives me mixed feelings. they're never assimilated into the site meta (except you Skynx <3) but I need to still play mafia with them. adapting is hard
Where are you going with this?
On September 09 2016 09:44 Tumblewood wrote:
like I always feel like "look trust me I'm town" and it's true but they don't read me like the people on TL do. it felt that way last game when everyone was blind.
can I request a vet to talk to? preferably after I get out of the shower
What?
Then he calls me and Calix new players, zzz.
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On September 09 2016 07:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 06:46 Vivax wrote:On September 09 2016 06:37 Calix wrote:
It doesn't look like you guys do RVS and I don't relate to the few posts being made so far, so I'l just chip in with some thoughts on the setup. Not seeing anything particularly eye-popping aside from the following:
- Names aren't allowed in Last Wills but if you wanted to reference a player (e.g., say you're a Sheriff-Vig who wanted to say "I checked X/ this player is innocent/ guilty") then you could quote some post numbers by said player, quote something they said, etc. I don't think LWs will be that useful for the protectives unless nobody died on a certain night because telling the scum who was protected last night in the event of a kill just needlessly gives the scum information on what the healing roles are thinking. If anyone knows what the Doctor roles would even need to tell the town (aside from telling us who they scum-read or something) then I'm all ears.
- There's always the chance that the scum can interfere with the message being given. Although they can only rewrite LWs twice, we can't rely on the LWs much but I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented.
- We might want to be careful with policy lynching apathetic/ inactive players or being sloppy with CFDs in general. I've been told that TL is more open to policy lynches compared to where I come from, but since lynched players become Sheriff-Vigs, I think it would be suboptimal play to give lazy players a KPN in the early stages. This point might be moot, however, as I don't know how anyone here plays or if anyone would qualify as policy-lynch material. (save for NU who I wouldn't consider a policy lynch)
Anyway, hi. It's pretty late for me so if I randomly drop off, don't be surprised. Bolded seems like fluff tbh cause you don't seem to have any own ideas to contribute for this part. "we have to find out what to do" . Who would've thought. Your last point is also pretty uninformative. It's like you're suggesting not to lynch. Doesn't look as bad as your second though. But still. You get a bit of benefit of the doubt for this being your first game here, but if somebody is meh for me right now it's you. Also, she infered that town had PRs before they were lynched which shows she didn't correctly read the setup. It's NAI, but To add to your point about her fluff: she used words like "we" -- Scum tend to use those words more than town to fit in the group. Scum!Calix uses "we" a lot. She ends her post with an excuse to why she wouldn't post in the upcoming hours. It's something scum tends to do more, but it still is NAI. Scum-reading Calix. @Vivax, don't give me or her the benefit of the doubt because we're "new", we aren't. We're both familiar to mafia. Giving either of us (especially her) a chance, it could be all we need to fly under your radar.
I like this guy, this is a solid post.
Contrast to Skynx here
On September 09 2016 07:01 Skynx wrote:
Nothing good on tv/twitch and you guys are no fun, I'm offski to bed.
First to post, been around, fucks off without saying anything and right about when things start happening.
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I don't like day 1 town circles because they are often just a list of players who know how to act townie on day 1 regardless of their alignment with everyone else left out.
That should be a sufficient introduction for my super duper townie circle:
Calix
NU
(Grackaroni??)
Maybe they're just good players but tone-wise they both look good to me.
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I'm in two town-circles of people I don't even town-read, zzz.
Weird site.
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On September 09 2016 09:57 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I'm in two town-circles of people I don't even town-read, zzz.
Weird site.
If you think that's weird just wait until I get started on my mafia triangle.
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Ending pg7.
The Setup stuff kinda bores me, but I should prob read through it eventually kus it sparked a bit of discussion. Kinda getting town feels from both of NU and Calix atm though.
My thoughts on Setup, the dead should make their own calls on how to use their powers and Last Wills are not that important since the dead can be just as wrong as anyone about stuff.
Basically the only setup thing that's important to living players imo is being able to see who the dead are voting for as that gives us insight into their thoughts. In general though it is best to approach this game as a straight all vanilla game with some potential information coming from dead players.
Seems we've got a fairly active game started up here. I'm gunna have to catchup more after dinner.
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On September 09 2016 10:09 Tictock wrote:
Basically the only setup thing that's important to living players imo is being able to see who the dead are voting for as that gives us insight into their thoughts. In general though it is best to approach this game as a straight all vanilla game with some potential information coming from dead players.
Seems we've got a fairly active game started up here. I'm gunna have to catchup more after dinner.
And even then, the mafia has a role that allows them to control the ghosts' vote twice during a game. We cannot be sure if the Vengeful Ghosts are voting someone they have a red check on or if the mafia is behind the vote.
^ With this in mind, MYLO/LYLO can come much quicker than expected.
@Rels, we told you we were active. ^^
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I have prepared a demonstration to make things clearer.
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pls stop making me explain myself
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On September 09 2016 10:21 Tumblewood wrote:
pls stop making me explain myself
It's kind of the point of the game.
If you have reads but can't express them, no one's going to follow them, and you're as useless as town-Palmar.
Explain them.
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I will never in 1000 fiery years vote anyone other than ticktock today.
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On September 09 2016 10:48 Holyflare wrote:
I will never in 1000 fiery years vote anyone other than ticktock today.
A* post. I especially liked the part where you followed up on this bold declaration with some solid reasoning and a vote.
While that gets worked on, I'm finding Tumblewood ignoring the posts where NU and I pointed out some of his odd reasoning (he reads me as more genuine and helpful than NU so NU is scum and I'm town with no chance of TvT/ WvW? wut) to be increasingly conspicuous. I'll see if he responds but I am 100% expecting a followup.
I find it hard to understand where Tumblewood is coming from with his posts which makes me wonder if they're written with a different mindset to mine. What makes Ticktock worse than Tumblewood given this?
In any case, 3am over here. I'm taking my leave.
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On September 09 2016 06:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 06:46 Tictock wrote:
Aw shucks, my streak of rolling town has come to an end.
Guess I wont be posting much so I don't accidentally give you guys info. Is this some shitty attempt at getting easy townreads by replicating trfels opener from last game?
Looked REALLY forced and his newish posts are all tradh and robotic.
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You shouldn't expect a follow up from Tumblewood that guy is 100% free madia lynch bait.
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