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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 06 2016 08:30 GMT
#37
/obs
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 09 2016 06:53 GMT
#47
On September 08 2016 22:43 beentheredonethat wrote:
Okay, /out.

As long as Race Bannon is spamming up this community, I will not play nor host.

I agree with this sentiment. But I'll just report his posts to bh, then to tl staff if it continues, as opposed to stop playing because of him.
/In
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 09 2016 08:00 GMT
#48
On August 29 2016 12:09 The Shining wrote:
...

/in

Wow what a surprise to find you in the player list! Nice to see you (=
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 09 2016 15:05 GMT
#55
On September 09 2016 23:56 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Don't particularly have interest in playing with Race Banner. I don't want to have spam in my games.

Since he's banned for a minimum of 5 games, and possibly from the forum if he continues acting this way, I think you don't have to worry about that possibility for at least a while. p:
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 10 2016 14:11 GMT
#59
I'm gonna make the thread hit p4 because the thread takes 30s to load on my phone because of rb bullshit
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 10 2016 14:11 GMT
#60
1 more!
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 10 2016 14:12 GMT
#61
And ...
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 11 2016 11:08 GMT
#69
I would prefer slightly starting a 9 players game soon but I'm not against waiting for 13 if that's the consensus.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 13 2016 08:29 GMT
#79
On September 13 2016 17:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2016 17:15 disformation wrote:
/in


Come on bro I'm gonna tryhard the shit out of this game
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-13 09:02:23
September 13 2016 09:02 GMT
#82
On September 13 2016 17:38 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2016 17:29 Rels wrote:
On September 13 2016 17:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On September 13 2016 17:15 disformation wrote:
/in


Come on bro I'm gonna tryhard the shit out of this game

Is that why you are both playing and in obs?
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 29 2016 06:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Player List and Filters

Newbies
1) Calix
2) NeverUnlucky
3) Lunaticman
4) DanelerH
5) beentheredonethat
6)
7)

Veterans
1) The Shining
2) Stutters695
3) Rels
4)
5)
6)

Coaches
1) Half the Sky
2) Shapelog
3) NocturneMage
4) Eden1892
5)
6)
7)

Replacements
1) scott31337
2)

Observers
1) Trfel
2) Rels
3)

Sit outters
1)

Of course, it's much easier to play with the obs QT on the side.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 13 2016 11:37 GMT
#87
On September 13 2016 18:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2016 17:38 disformation wrote:
On September 13 2016 17:29 Rels wrote:
On September 13 2016 17:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On September 13 2016 17:15 disformation wrote:
/in


Come on bro I'm gonna tryhard the shit out of this game

Is that why you are both playing and in obs?
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 29 2016 06:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Player List and Filters

Newbies
1) Calix
2) NeverUnlucky
3) Lunaticman
4) DanelerH
5) beentheredonethat
6)
7)

Veterans
1) The Shining
2) Stutters695
3) Rels
4)
5)
6)

Coaches
1) Half the Sky
2) Shapelog
3) NocturneMage
4) Eden1892
5)
6)
7)

Replacements
1) scott31337
2)

Observers
1) Trfel
2) Rels
3)

Sit outters
1)

Fixed!

How come I'm not host ???
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 13 2016 12:37 GMT
#89
On September 13 2016 21:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2016 20:37 Rels wrote:
On September 13 2016 18:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On September 13 2016 17:38 disformation wrote:
On September 13 2016 17:29 Rels wrote:
On September 13 2016 17:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On September 13 2016 17:15 disformation wrote:
/in


Come on bro I'm gonna tryhard the shit out of this game

Is that why you are both playing and in obs?
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 29 2016 06:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Player List and Filters

Newbies
1) Calix
2) NeverUnlucky
3) Lunaticman
4) DanelerH
5) beentheredonethat
6)
7)

Veterans
1) The Shining
2) Stutters695
3) Rels
4)
5)
6)

Coaches
1) Half the Sky
2) Shapelog
3) NocturneMage
4) Eden1892
5)
6)
7)

Replacements
1) scott31337
2)

Observers
1) Trfel
2) Rels
3)

Sit outters
1)

Fixed!

How come I'm not host ???

So you're the kinda guy that complains about only getting 7 out of the 8 slices of pie huh

I just wanna win
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 14 2016 07:19 GMT
#96
On September 14 2016 15:27 Jealous wrote:
/replace

Welcome back (= why not /in ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 20 2016 13:03 GMT
#121
Come on! Two more players! We're approching the limit where people starts to /out because they didn't think it would take this long to fill
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 24 2016 10:29 GMT
#253
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:
Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.

I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.

On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/

Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^

Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.


Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.

I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.

As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)

Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.

Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:

On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/


To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.

On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.

I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.

This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.


Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.

Stutters:
Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?

My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.


Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.

It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.

On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?

Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?

Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?

If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?


Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.

Please explain
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 24 2016 10:37 GMT
#254
I don't like Jealous. And I don't like all the townreads he's getting simply for writing the most words in the thread. 80% of his content are about things that are not scumhunting and are very easy to write about: RVS, meta, PL.

The only thing he's done in terms of reads has been questionning Stutters with Calix. I don't liek that he's already justifying himself to not having to take a stance:
On September 24 2016 13:29 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 12:05 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
I get a light town read on Calix based on #204, #207.
I'd like to hear more from Jealous, in #213, it sounds like a light scum read or suspicion on Stutter - but the way they phrase it as a question because they are confused makes me think they are hesitant on the read, just maybe?

Not a scum read just yet. I don't crystallize or publicize my reads until I have a decent catalog of posts on which to base them, because I feel like weak pressure and baseless reads are harmful to town because they lack substance, have a higher probability of being wrong, and can lead to ML. I am just trying to get a feel for the players I am not familiar with and see what kind of person is behind the keyboard, why they say what they say, and thus look for inconsistencies in-game.

So, Jealous, I want you to explain your stance on Stutters' answers to your questions.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 24 2016 10:46 GMT
#255
I like Stutters. The reasons are kinda weak but I suppose it's normal for early game. Gonna wait for Lunatic to give me his reasons before disclosing mine.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 24 2016 10:48 GMT
#256
ptmc is this your first game ever of forum mafia ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 24 2016 11:27 GMT
#258
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:
Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.

I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.

On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/

Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^

Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.


Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.

I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.

As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)

Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.

Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:

On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/


To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.

On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.

I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.

This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.


Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.

Stutters:
Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?

My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.


Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.

It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.

On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?

Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?

Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?

If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?


Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.

Please explain


Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.

I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 24 2016 11:51 GMT
#260
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:
Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.

I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.

On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/

Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^

Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.


Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.

I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.

As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)

Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.

Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:

On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/


To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.

On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.

I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.

This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.


Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.

Stutters:
Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?

My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.


Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.

It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.

On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?

Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?

Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?

If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?


Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.

Please explain


Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.

I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.


That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.

Why woudln't I do such a thing ?
So apparently you think I'm scum ?
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