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On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him. On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once. I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.
This, plus there's Shutter's first post:
On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.
Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.
It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me.
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On September 24 2016 08:39 Calix wrote:
I daresay that cutting short a potential avenue for conversation is counterproductive to your stated aim of getting reactions. Did you get anything from Jealous and I?
@Daneler, were you going anywhere with your entrance post? All you did was agree with Jealous and point out that Stutters' entrance is odd.
I use "odd" and "strange" for I find something that might warrant suspicion, so that's what I was going with. Admittedly, not a strong lead, but I was hoping it would go somewhere.
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On September 24 2016 08:50 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 08:47 DanelerH wrote:On September 24 2016 08:39 Calix wrote:
I daresay that cutting short a potential avenue for conversation is counterproductive to your stated aim of getting reactions. Did you get anything from Jealous and I?
@Daneler, were you going anywhere with your entrance post? All you did was agree with Jealous and point out that Stutters' entrance is odd. I use "odd" and "strange" for I find something that might warrant suspicion, so that's what I was going with. Admittedly, not a strong lead, but I was hoping it would go somewhere. The best person to make things 'go somewhere' is yourself, dear. Expecting others to do the work is never going to work out and only demonstrates a lack of initiative. Since you proposed this line of thought, why do you think scum would open a post by claiming "non-scum" over say, "town" or not claiming at all or what have you?
I see no reason for Town to claim anything. They only care about getting the Mafia lynched. Mafia, however, wants Town to think they're also Town. By saying "I'm not Mafia" or "I'm Town", they can attempt to establish it early on, which is why I find it to be something that warrants suspicion.
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On September 24 2016 09:02 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 08:56 DanelerH wrote:On September 24 2016 08:50 Calix wrote:On September 24 2016 08:47 DanelerH wrote:On September 24 2016 08:39 Calix wrote:
I daresay that cutting short a potential avenue for conversation is counterproductive to your stated aim of getting reactions. Did you get anything from Jealous and I?
@Daneler, were you going anywhere with your entrance post? All you did was agree with Jealous and point out that Stutters' entrance is odd. I use "odd" and "strange" for I find something that might warrant suspicion, so that's what I was going with. Admittedly, not a strong lead, but I was hoping it would go somewhere. The best person to make things 'go somewhere' is yourself, dear. Expecting others to do the work is never going to work out and only demonstrates a lack of initiative. Since you proposed this line of thought, why do you think scum would open a post by claiming "non-scum" over say, "town" or not claiming at all or what have you? I see no reason for Town to claim anything. They only care about getting the Mafia lynched. Mafia, however, wants Town to think they're also Town. By saying "I'm not Mafia" or "I'm Town", they can attempt to establish it early on, which is why I find it to be something that warrants suspicion. That's something you're characterising as not-town to do, not mafia. Question. Does your logic also apply to claiming a TPR? (so if a person claimed TPR, would you suspect them because you see no reason for town to claim and if not, why? Just curious because it sounds like that is what you are implying here) Otherwise I like how this answer was set out. Simple and direct.
Not always. If it's at the beginning of the game, I have no reason to trust the claim. If it's later in the game, then I'll continue looking into other people, but keep a watch on the TPR claim (especially if there's a counter-claim, in which case one of them has to be Mafia).
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On September 24 2016 22:14 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 08:26 DanelerH wrote:On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him. On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once. I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early. This, plus there's Shutter's first post: On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.
Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.
It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me. Probably the worst post in the game so far (and definitely the worst of the opening posts). It's a wishy-washy suspicion riding on already existing suspicions. Pretty much the safest possible suspicion to make as scum, and leaves you with plenty of options to proceed (vote for him if it gains steam or forget it if not). Even the tone is so passive and uninvolved..
While that would the the stance from a Mafia perspective, there's also a similar stance from a Town perspective. I agreed with the suspicion on Shutter and I was suspicious of xym for another reason, so I included that in my post.
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I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it:
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in. I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^ Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night. Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him. On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once. I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early. This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata. Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. Stutters:Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test? My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play. Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?  Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in. I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^ Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night. Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him. On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once. I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early. This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata. Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. Stutters:Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test? My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play. Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people? Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in. I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^ Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night. Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
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I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early. This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata. Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. Stutters:Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test? My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play. Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people? Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ? No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet.
There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer.
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On September 25 2016 00:23 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote:I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it: On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts: On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in. I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^ Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night. Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him. On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once. I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early. This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata. Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. Stutters:Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test? My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play. Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people? Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in. I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^ Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night. Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
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I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early. This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata. Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. Stutters:Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test? My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play. Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people? Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in. I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. [quote] Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: [quote] Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. [quote] Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. [quote] What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people? Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ? No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet. There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer. The game is 4 pages long day one, take a chill pill. I dare to say I have done more than half the players in the game and in my experience you never hit mafia day one. It is much better to build a town circle. Also Stutters is in all likelyhood a blue role. And if he dies it is on you and Rels.
I'm still not seeing an answer as to why you think Stutters is Town. Dodging my question is not making me any less suspicious of you.
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On September 25 2016 01:18 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2016 00:46 DanelerH wrote:On September 25 2016 00:23 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote:I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it: On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts: On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in. I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^ Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night. Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
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I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early. This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata. Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. Stutters:Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test? My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play. Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people? Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in. I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. [quote] Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: [quote] Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. [quote] Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. [quote] What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people? Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
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Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ? No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet. There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer. The game is 4 pages long day one, take a chill pill. I dare to say I have done more than half the players in the game and in my experience you never hit mafia day one. It is much better to build a town circle. Also Stutters is in all likelyhood a blue role. And if he dies it is on you and Rels. I'm still not seeing an answer as to why you think Stutters is Town. Dodging my question is not making me any less suspicious of you. You realize what you're asking for...?
I highly doubt Lunaticman actually believes Stutters is a TPR. It sounds a lot more like Lunaticman is just trying to fake a reason not to give a reason for the Town-read.
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Sorry. I've been a bit busy. I'm going to be catching up and post my reads on everyone within about an hour (I hope).
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I've managed to catch up on the game and I've gone through everyone's filters. These are the reads I've gotten:
Town
Calix, Jealous, Rels, Xalatos - They all seem to be actively hunting for Mafia. In addition, Calix and Rels are looking for clarification on various points to assist in this.
Leaning Town
Scott - Same reason as for the above four, but there isn't as much in xyr filter to go off of.
Null
Ptmc, SoulEaterQUEEN, Skynx, DoYouHas, Superbia - I can get a good read on any of them. There doesn't seem to be much indicative of them being either Town or Mafia.
Leaning Mafia
Stutters - I don't like the reaction-testing xe was doing. Xe revealed it extremely quickly afterward (possibly as an attempt to cover up the original suggestion, though that might be stretching it a bit). Xe said the results of the reactions xe got were to-be-determined, but hasn't said anything about them since.
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##Vote Lunaticman
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On September 26 2016 04:32 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2016 04:23 DanelerH wrote:
I've managed to catch up on the game and I've gone through everyone's filters. These are the reads I've gotten:
Town
Calix, Jealous, Rels, Xalatos - They all seem to be actively hunting for Mafia. In addition, Calix and Rels are looking for clarification on various points to assist in this.
Leaning Town
Scott - Same reason as for the above four, but there isn't as much in xyr filter to go off of.
Null
Ptmc, SoulEaterQUEEN, Skynx, DoYouHas, Superbia - I can get a good read on any of them. There doesn't seem to be much indicative of them being either Town or Mafia.
Leaning Mafia
Stutters - I don't like the reaction-testing xe was doing. Xe revealed it extremely quickly afterward (possibly as an attempt to cover up the original suggestion, though that might be stretching it a bit). Xe said the results of the reactions xe got were to-be-determined, but hasn't said anything about them since.
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##Vote Lunaticman Did you read the whole thread ? There is nothing here. Why are you voting for Lunatic ? Why isn't there any basis for your reads apart from: - a generic one (they appear to be scumhunting, which TBH seems more like "they posted a lot" since Jealous is in this list) - an event that happened like 40 hours ago (the stutters reaction test)
In order:
Yes, I read the thread.
We've already discussed the reasons to vote for Lunatic. I didn't feel it was necessary to repeat them.
Because those are the most indicative to me. Unfortunately, I don't know other things to look for.
As for the reaction-test, I felt this one was important. Stutters claimed xe said something controversial to get reactions. This went nowhere, was cut off extremely quickly, and, despite having said that the reactions were going to be found later, xe hasn't said anything about the results of it.
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On September 26 2016 04:51 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2016 04:45 DanelerH wrote:On September 26 2016 04:32 Rels wrote:On September 26 2016 04:23 DanelerH wrote:
I've managed to catch up on the game and I've gone through everyone's filters. These are the reads I've gotten:
Town
Calix, Jealous, Rels, Xalatos - They all seem to be actively hunting for Mafia. In addition, Calix and Rels are looking for clarification on various points to assist in this.
Leaning Town
Scott - Same reason as for the above four, but there isn't as much in xyr filter to go off of.
Null
Ptmc, SoulEaterQUEEN, Skynx, DoYouHas, Superbia - I can get a good read on any of them. There doesn't seem to be much indicative of them being either Town or Mafia.
Leaning Mafia
Stutters - I don't like the reaction-testing xe was doing. Xe revealed it extremely quickly afterward (possibly as an attempt to cover up the original suggestion, though that might be stretching it a bit). Xe said the results of the reactions xe got were to-be-determined, but hasn't said anything about them since.
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##Vote Lunaticman Did you read the whole thread ? There is nothing here. Why are you voting for Lunatic ? Why isn't there any basis for your reads apart from: - a generic one (they appear to be scumhunting, which TBH seems more like "they posted a lot" since Jealous is in this list) - an event that happened like 40 hours ago (the stutters reaction test) In order: Yes, I read the thread. We've already discussed the reasons to vote for Lunatic. I didn't feel it was necessary to repeat them. Because those are the most indicative to me. Unfortunately, I don't know other things to look for. As for the reaction-test, I felt this one was important. Stutters claimed xe said something controversial to get reactions. This went nowhere, was cut off extremely quickly, and, despite having said that the reactions were going to be found later, xe hasn't said anything about the results of it. There were plenty to discuss in all those pages though. The most recent thing for example was Calix' case on DYH ? What's your opinion on it ?
It makes sense, so I decided to look over DYH again, while keeping this case in mind. When doing so, I found a post that I want to pair with it:
On September 26 2016 04:24 DoYouHas wrote:
@Calix - My read on SEQ in the post you looked at is in no way null. I described him as jumping in with both feet and actively scumhunting. Those are town attributes.
This was in response to the following portion of Calix's case: + Show Spoiler +
349 is where his SEQ read is and he's saying 'he doesn't bother me at all' but i don't know wherever that's a town or scum read (this is a theme) and this is the most wordy post he's made the entire game and that's his bigger contribution that he bargained for and its not even that good. If it's a null read then why waste time when you could talk about scum-reads (which he has not done at all lol) and if it's a town read then it's not clear at all. His priorities don't make any sense is what I am saying here.
The strange thing about this is when looking at it along with the first part of Calix's case: + Show Spoiler +
What makes me suspicious is 342 because he was like "hai Sutters I'll talk about your scum-read SEQ if you talk about ptmc" and that's weird because he isn't scum-reading ptmc (so not sure why he asked) and he's not reallg using his initiative - if you have thoughts then why not just post them instead of doing some weird 1-1 trade thing? Ithink this shows some lacking of initiative here.
This is what I was getting onto Lunatic about earlier. If you have a Town-read on someone, why not just say it and the reasons for it? Getting back to Calix's case, why offer the read in a trade? It's completely pointless.
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Rather than looking at Stutters individually, it may be best to look at the interactions xe had with Luna. In total, we have four posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 25 2016 08:03 Stutters695 wrote:
Seriously, did no one else catch what I quoted before I left besides Luna?
I'll give you a hint, go read SEQs filter (9 posts). The one I quoted shows a clear lack of reading, even incredibly early in the game.
I'm working another 2 hours, but if anyone has any questions fire away. No comment on the blue stuff, scum can try to figure it out on their own. On September 25 2016 10:56 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2016 10:11 DoYouHas wrote:
I am around Stutters. What are your thoughts on ptmc? I'll trade you for some on SEQ. I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond. Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also. On September 25 2016 11:52 Stutters695 wrote:
I'll type this up in full once we leave and I go home, but drunk me would also be all about a Luna lynch On September 26 2016 05:54 Stutters695 wrote:
Voting so I don't forget while I'm at work.
Vote: Luna
Out of all of these, the first post is the most interesting. It occured at some point after the blue "reveal." More specifically, however, it was posted directly after Luna claimed being pressured into revealing. It seems to be a slight defense of Luna, while simultaneously deflecting attention to someone else. What's even more interesting is the first sentence: "Seriously, did no one else catch what I quoted before I left besides Luna?" I looked back at Luna's filter, but I couldn't find an instance of Luna referring to Stutter's quote. This appears to have been brought up earlier by Scott: + Show Spoiler +On September 25 2016 15:45 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2016 13:43 Jealous wrote:
Anyhow, right now the vote for me us between Lunatic and Stutters. It would be great if we can hear some analysis from these players of the same nature as SEQ above. This will help me decide which to vote for and to then post-humously analyze associations. So I've read Jealous's filter and this is the most informative post in his whole filter. Still not a big fan of you though. So let me read Luna's and Stutter's filters. I've observed a lot more Stutters games than Luna's (although there have been a couple) Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 15:19 Lunaticman wrote:
Hello my name is Lunatic and I have an addiction problem. I play to much mafia.
If you have have any advice for me please call me at1-999-MAFIAADDICT or leave a message at killstomanybadguys15@gmail.com
Also good morning everyone.
Also last post ftw! Obvious townie points! Not a big fan of this opening - looks like tryhard. Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. Need to see why he thinks Stutters is such obv town. Hmm Then the bad blue role post. Show nested quote +On September 25 2016 07:50 Lunaticman wrote:
You clearly didnt read the whole thing ptmc because I got pressured into saying Stutters was a blue read by rels and Da.
They called me scum for it and I saw no positive outcome in hiding the information since he could br killed by being a townread player anyway. No matter how you spin it you can make anyone look scummy.
Im going to sleep now and Im putting my vote on Da so I dont miss it. Well I liked Rels's posts so far - so hmmm Verdict: Could lynch Stutters - Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 14:31 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night. Emphasis mine. I'd lynch for this Show nested quote +On September 25 2016 08:03 Stutters695 wrote:
Seriously, did no one else catch what I quoted before I left besides Luna?
I'll give you a hint, go read SEQs filter (9 posts). The one I quoted shows a clear lack of reading, even incredibly early in the game.
I'm working another 2 hours, but if anyone has any questions fire away. No comment on the blue stuff, scum can try to figure it out on their own. Okay - I've re-read this thought about three times - and I think I get it.
The thing I do like about it is Stutters believes in his find of lack of reading. I don't think he'd be so daring as mafia.
The thing is - I don't see where Luna quoted it though. :/Verdict: Wouldn't lynch today
Stutter's responded to this with: + Show Spoiler +On September 25 2016 16:24 Stutters695 wrote:
He didn't quote it, he said something like the post above this is good. What are your thoughts on SEQ?
In this, Stutters once again deflects the questioning back to SoulEaaterQUEEN, but let's ignore that for a moment and focus the first part: "He didn't quote it, he said something like the post above this is good." The thing is, Luna didn't say that, either. That makes two instances of defending Luna, while deflecting the question at someone else, specifically SEQ.
Now let's look at the third quote: "drunk me would also be all about a Luna lynch." Prior to this, there was nothing about wanting to lynch Luna. Around that time, xe was still after SEQ. Before you say that xe was feeling better about SEQ, that's impossible at this time, as SEQ was still catching up. Take a look at the timestamps: + Show Spoiler +On September 25 2016 11:52 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 15:51 Jealous wrote:On September 24 2016 14:02 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
I liked that last bit you wrote in the post. I feel the same way but I tend to be impulsive and pressurize my way into getting reads as a natural reaction when I begin playing through RVS which has lead to some results in getting activity in the game which is nice. I still have yet to see the point in the RVS in general but noticed the lack of presence of it so far here. Would like to hear the views of how you perceive RVS/what kinds of points given. This may not lead to alignment indicative posts, but gives me an understanding of where people's heads are at this point in the game.
That being said, I like how confident tone in that post, it could be from a very well seasoned player, but normally see caution amongst scum at the beginning, so I am definitely light town reading Jealous based on the #233, I also like how there is consistency on the behaviour reasoning for the post I questioned which again feels like they are not frabricating a reasoning.
Please note, my reads tend to have a dynamic flow as the game state changes so take it with a grain of salt. I don't believe in RVS for much the same reasons that I listed for reads. I will rarely if ever trust a player that votes and un-votes and re-votes multiple times per lynch cycle. Decisions like that need to be done with a firm hand, and not frivolously. Too many people playing silly pressure games can result in a ML. Mafia is a game of psychology, and voting creates social pressure on parties that may otherwise be more objective and thus could contribute to the discussion/analysis and not simply sheep or jump on a train. Not sure what you mean by the bolded above. I'm in this as a newbie so I'm definitely not a well-seasoned player ^^ Thank you, but don't suck up to me just yet, I tend to be wrong a lot, unfortunately. On September 24 2016 14:31 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night. Emphasis mine. I'd lynch for this I would appreciate some elaboration on this. Alright playing the catch up game~ my activity in this game has been shitty. What exactly do you mean by a "silly pressure game"? You are agreement that we need to put pressure with votes to gain info though right? otherwise I am not understanding your thought process... Not suck up, but rather don't want to underestimate your abilities. Bolded refers to what kinds of conclusions can you arrive with at this - yet to know the answer to this. On September 25 2016 11:52 Stutters695 wrote:
I'll type this up in full once we leave and I go home, but drunk me would also be all about a Luna lynch
At this time, SEQ hadn't made any posts to make Stutters feel better, so the sudden change in votes is very odd. Afterwards, there was no mention of Luna until the vote (quote 4). Overall, I believe these point towards Stutters being aligned with Luna and we should make Stutters our Day 2 lynch.
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DYH, what's your reasoning for Town-reading Stutters? I'm looking through your filter, but I can't find anything to explain it.
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I agree that DYH is probably one of the Mafia (the vote on Lunatic and the lack of any Mafia-reads being the biggest reasons to me). I also still think Stutters is the remaining one. As such, I have a question for each of them:
I asked DYH one earlier, but didn't get an answer:
On September 28 2016 03:07 DanelerH wrote:
DYH, what's your reasoning for Town-reading Stutters? I'm looking through your filter, but I can't find anything to explain it.
Stutters, where's the EoN (which I'm assuming means "End of Night") post you promised us? + Show Spoiler +On September 27 2016 00:01 Stutters695 wrote:
Here's what's going to happen. I'm going to type some stuff up. Usually I would wait until EoD, but I work before then so I'll just throw it out. You guys will be like "wow, he does things and they make some sense, this dude is probably town." Just know you're cutting into my Overwatch time and that makes me sad.
I have 100% confidence I won't be lynched. On September 27 2016 00:18 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2016 00:07 ptmc wrote:On September 27 2016 00:01 Stutters695 wrote:
Here's what's going to happen. I'm going to type some stuff up. Usually I would wait until EoD, but I work before then so I'll just throw it out. You guys will be like "wow, he does things and they make some sense, this dude is probably town." Just know you're cutting into my Overwatch time and that makes me sad.
I have 100% confidence I won't be lynched. So you're not really worried about a night kill taking all your valuable insight to the grave? All the people i know seem sadder while playing overwatch, but maybe you are an exception  That's a negative Ghost Rider. I meant EoN, not EoD.
I very much doubt it's either of these: + Show Spoiler +On September 27 2016 03:37 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2016 03:11 Skynx wrote:
Both Scott and Jeal look alright to me why ppl wanna lynch them?
One of the bussers is prolly one of the highly townread pace controllers aka Xata/Rels/Calix.
I might have some time in evening. I'm almost positive Calix isn't scum. After the early responses and just solid logic/play, I can't see it. Easily my strongest town read. Unless the plan was to bus from the start, it's also very unlikely Rels is scum since he could have just ignored Luna's read on me. Xata I'm not as confident on but I've got a town feeling about him. Admittedly, I haven't finished my reread (stopped at pg 20) but even what I remember from after that point seemed pretty solid. Jealous is about the same as Xata for me right now. Scott DYH DanelerH ptmc likely has a scum among them, which I need to look into more. Early inclination is Scott/Dan especially. On September 28 2016 08:02 Stutters695 wrote:
So I managed to sleep at 13 hours. I'm at work now, can try to field some questions if anyone would like but I'll be back in full after I get off (6-7hrs from now)
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On September 28 2016 15:12 scott31337 wrote:So these quiet Europeans are some bullshit. + Show Spoiler [notes] +
1) Calix - Who are your two scum reads - you were never quiet your last game here, wtf?
3) DanelerH - Actually been here today a bit, but answer as well - who are your two scum reads?
4) ptmc - Who are your two scum reads? - you seem to be pushing Stutters or want more information on him, what do you think?
5) Jealous - announced
6) SoulEaterQUEEN Tictock -announced
Veterans
1) Stutters695 - Two scum reads -asked already, "I'll be back"
2) Rels - two scum reads
3) Skynx - announced
4) Xatalos - announced
5) DoYouHas - flailing
6) Superbia - dead
7) scott31337 - town
Calix - Who are your two scum reads - you were never quiet until you were dead last game, what has changed? DanelerH - Actually been here today a bit, but answer as well - What do you think of Stutters? Who are your two scum reads? ptmc - Who are your two scum reads? Stutters695 - Two scum reads -asked already, "I'll be back" - waiting for response. Rels - Who are your two scum reads?
Stutters and DYH. I've already explained Stutters on my case against xym. For DYH, it's mainly the vote on Lunatic and the lack of Mafia-reads to me, though the cases others have made also make good points.
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On September 29 2016 06:34 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2016 06:24 Calix wrote:
Actually I have one question. DYH, who are you going to vote for and why? Don't spend ages on answering this, lol. ##Vote: ScottI've been thinking about Superbia's kill. There are 4 reasons I can think of for it. 1. Medic dodge. 2. Town is off track, didn't want a fresh vet voice changing things 3. Superbia is on right track 4. WIFOM salad #1 is obviously the case. With their RB gone they aren't going to target Calix (most townread person N1). #2 is iffy. Obviously taking out a fresh voice in Superbia accomplishes this, but he isn't heavily townread and he has stated repeatedly that he was going to be lazy this game. #3 is the most likely case. After losing your RB the first night you can't risk someone with correct suspicions putting you down 0-2. Most common reason to kill someone, also makes the most sense from the mafia perspective this game. #4 is very unlikely. There are too many people who have established themselves decently as town, too many people more productive than Superbia.
##Vote DHY
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Scott, I have a couple of questions for you:
On September 27 2016 07:00 scott31337 wrote:
That's an interesting kill - could be a dodge though.
Welp DYH Shall we chat?
This was in response to the Superbia kill. What do you think the Mafia was dodging?
On September 28 2016 10:02 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2016 09:25 DoYouHas wrote:Hey guys, I have been slammed at work this week. I will probably have at most 1-2 hours to look at this game between now and deadline. Many of you want to lynch me, I get it. It might even be for the best as my time really won't free up until this weekend. I apologize for not being on top of my time management to play this game the way it should be played. That being said, I'm really not going to get into defending myself but I will try to get out a few reads before you all send me packing to try and not leave the town with nothing. If I am unable to get anything out before the deadline tomorrow GL town, ya still got this  . There's one positive, two negatives, and one note with this post I'm going to keep to myself.The one thing I like is in the third paragraph is how he describes "before you all send me packing to try and not leave the town with nothing." Feels like a honest (or trying to be) townie on a legit sympathy for the rest of the town. The two things I do not like are "Many of you want to lynch me, I get it." - now if I'm town, I'd phrase this as "Many of you want to mislynch me, I get it." - something worth noting to me. The other is I will probably have at most 1-2 hours to look at this game between now and deadline. So since your last post - we have had two pages of posting - but you wrote this out instead? Like I asked Stutters, who do you think are the last two scum, and a sentence of your reasoning. The note I'm keeping for later in the day and will post if necessary. So many other people being silent gives me tinfoil tinglies as well.
What was the note you were keeping to yourself?
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On September 30 2016 09:14 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 08:58 DanelerH wrote:Scott, I have a couple of questions for you: On September 27 2016 07:00 scott31337 wrote:
That's an interesting kill - could be a dodge though.
Welp DYH Shall we chat? This was in response to the Superbia kill. What do you think the Mafia was dodging? On September 28 2016 10:02 scott31337 wrote:On September 28 2016 09:25 DoYouHas wrote:Hey guys, I have been slammed at work this week. I will probably have at most 1-2 hours to look at this game between now and deadline. Many of you want to lynch me, I get it. It might even be for the best as my time really won't free up until this weekend. I apologize for not being on top of my time management to play this game the way it should be played. That being said, I'm really not going to get into defending myself but I will try to get out a few reads before you all send me packing to try and not leave the town with nothing. If I am unable to get anything out before the deadline tomorrow GL town, ya still got this . There's one positive, two negatives, and one note with this post I'm going to keep to myself.The one thing I like is in the third paragraph is how he describes "before you all send me packing to try and not leave the town with nothing." Feels like a honest (or trying to be) townie on a legit sympathy for the rest of the town. The two things I do not like are "Many of you want to lynch me, I get it." - now if I'm town, I'd phrase this as "Many of you want to mislynch me, I get it." - something worth noting to me. The other is I will probably have at most 1-2 hours to look at this game between now and deadline. So since your last post - we have had two pages of posting - but you wrote this out instead? Like I asked Stutters, who do you think are the last two scum, and a sentence of your reasoning. The note I'm keeping for later in the day and will post if necessary. So many other people being silent gives me tinfoil tinglies as well. What was the note you were keeping to yourself? The medic. They were dodging the medic (if one exists). A vigi would've shot by now. The note was that this the last post DYH could make a blue claim and I would believe it. If he would have made it afterwards, it was past the point of no return and I wouldn't buy the claim. He had enough pressure and was early enough. That obviously didn't turn out though.
Relating to the first question, do you think there was any other reason why the Mafia would want to kill Superbia?
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