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On September 03 2016 03:05 Holyflare wrote:
Like it seems like you're picking individual lines and making an entire big deal out of minor points.
You haven't even read the game and you've changed your entire narrative AGAIN.
First I'm not pushing scott then I'm suddenly calling him oit and CONFIRMING him as mafia and then I'm suddenly possibly his partner but you didn't even want to vote him even though you admit the evidence is damning over me....?
What reason is that?
Plz stop with the baseless accusations.
I'm going to have to semi-ignore you otherwise.
I wanted to vote you kus of the reasons I've posted. I think I've been pretty clear.
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On September 03 2016 03:42 geript wrote:
If rather lynch vivax or Dane.
What makes you think either are mafia?
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Ugh this game is hard,
We've kinda got Scott, TW, and Dane playing super low volume.
I feel like there is a lot of town in Palmar, HF, Koshi, geript, and Trfel, but unless there is 2 mafia in this group then there is just a ton of town in-fighting going on. Actually the lack of co-operation between this group of players (who have played here for much longer than I have, and presumably know each other decently well) rather does point to there being multiple mafia in there.
Vivax, Trfel, and Dane are really the only people I feel confident in saying are town. So I'd kinda like to know who each of their preferred 2 lynches are, and if anyone thinks they are scum should try to explain to me why.
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Yea, I don't want to lynch Palmar.
I like a lot of his posts, his opinions are original and they have evolved in ways that make sense to me. He also posted his list post almost right after I made all my WoT posts and had quite a few of the same views on the game that I do.
I could be wrong, but I'm not seeing mafia motivation in his play today.
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Humm, you came back to the game posting up a storm basically right when you became the leading wagon again Tumble...
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Maybe this game is as easy as Tumble, Scott, +1 (if all scum are in poor position, geript?)
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On September 03 2016 05:29 Tumblewood wrote:
but awfully suspicious huh
timing is convenient yea.
On September 03 2016 05:30 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 05:28 Tictock wrote:
Maybe this game is as easy as Tumble, Scott, +1 (if all scum are in poor position, geript?) nope I am never ever moving my vote. as soon as you're saying "maybe it's as easy as" you're done
But besides me you'd consider Palmar mafia?
Who are your top 4 town?
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Well apparently Town is just giving mafia this game.
My internet went out before EoD, not that it would have mattered.
I'm kinda assuming scum are playing a semi-decent game and town has by and large just been shit this game. So scum team is probably something like Trfel/Geript/Koshi, with a side order of HF and maybe some after dinner Palmar mints. Regardless, I think we should gtfo before our bill arrives.
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On September 04 2016 04:32 DanelerH wrote:My suspicion of all three of them has increased. It's centered around the Day 1 lynch. Here is a list of the quotes from the semi-final vote count to the final vote count: + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 05:58 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Vote Count #7]
Votes: - Rels (4) -
Palmar, Vivax, scott31337, disformation, Koshi, Tictock, Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood
- Trfel (0) -
disformation
- disformation (0) -
Holyflare, Koshi, geript
- Tumblewood (2) -
Koshi, Koshi, Holyflare, scott31337, Tictock, Palmar, disformation, disformation, Trfel
- Koshi (0) -
DanelerH
- geript (1) -
Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels,
Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
- TicTock (0) -
Tumblewood
- Vivax (1) -
disformation, Race Bannon
- DanelerH (1) - geript
Not voting: -
Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched.
Remember, voting is mandatory. Please vote in the voting thread. If the vote count is not accurate or contains errors, please PM a host.
Day 1 will end in (deadline being Tuesday, Aug 30 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)). On August 31 2016 05:58 Tictock wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Rels On August 31 2016 05:58 Palmar wrote:
##unvote
##vote Rels On August 31 2016 05:59 Rels wrote:
##Vote scott On August 31 2016 06:03 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Final Vote Count
Votes: - Rels (6) -
Palmar, Vivax, scott31337, disformation, Koshi, Tictock, Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood, Tictock, Palmar
- Trfel (0) -
disformation
- disformation (0) -
Holyflare, Koshi, geript
- Tumblewood (1) -
Koshi, Koshi, Holyflare, scott31337, Tictock, Palmar, disformation, disformation, Trfel
- Koshi (0) -
DanelerH
- geript (0) -
Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels,
Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
- TicTock (0) -
Tumblewood
- Vivax (1) -
disformation, Race Bannon
- DanelerH (1) - geript
Not voting: -
Rels is the lynch. Flip post is imminent. In the semi-final count, Scott was about to be lynched. The ones who turned the vote around to Rels were Palmar and Tictock. Each of them gave an explanation for their vote switches. Palmar: + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 05:59 Palmar wrote:
I awitched rather kill Rels than scott On August 31 2016 06:00 Palmar wrote:
This has like 1% chance of working but we're sticking with it because he claimed On August 31 2016 07:19 Palmar wrote:
yeah I don't have to argue this right now so I'm not going to.
I did not switch after he claimed blue, or if I did it was only because phone posting is slower. I switched, as stated, because of the two options left on the table I wanted to kill Rels over scott.
Tictock: + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 05:43 Tictock wrote:
Deadline is so close... I think I'm going back to Legion.
I want Tumble to be the lynch today, so plz no last min shenannies. Dane is a worse lynch than Tumble. On August 31 2016 05:54 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:51 Rels wrote:
I've read Scott geript and tw filter and I want a geript lynch
Tumble had some townie reactions not long ago
Scott last read list is like exactly mine with my name instead of his name. He could be town for that
Geript has done nothing after his two tryhard posts that had inconsistency in it. I think he is the more likely to flip scum
FTR I also really dislike the way tt is pushing tumble lynch, he is missing some kind of doubts townie usually have Good, now I feel like my vote on you at the start of the game was justified. On August 31 2016 05:57 Tictock wrote:
Arg I actually still don't like the shennanie... On August 31 2016 05:59 Tictock wrote:Fuck it On August 31 2016 06:41 Tictock wrote:
I hate myself for caving to pressure.
Sorry Rels. The things that coincide with these posts is that they needed to prevent Scott's lynch. Tictock, after over emphasising shennanigans, used the Blue claim as cover for the vote, then claimed giving into pressure. In Palmar's case, xyr last post states that xe doens't have to argue the vote switch, but then does so anyways. Not only is the timing suspicious, but the explanations are, too (as well as being completely unnecessary).
First off, huh? How was I over emphasizing shenannies if I was saying I was against them? What makes you think my vote had anything to do with the blue claim?
And once again we have someone scum reading myself and Palmar for voting to "save scott" D1, when we don't even know for sure if Scott is mafia.
I'm revoking my townread of you.
@HF
Dude I'm basically ignoring you kus you stopped posting in any reasonable way.
Your oversimplifying my read on you, maybe you could actually use quotes to talk about what I've said that you have issues with.
Nothing you've said about me in anyway means I'm mafia btw. Imo the only thing I've done this game that is possibly mafia indicative is if Scott is mafia, then my D1 vote looks like shit.
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And once again we have someone scum reading myself and Palmar for voting to "save scott" D1, when we don't even know for sure if Scott is mafia.
Honestly given how many people Scum read Scott, and have made associative reads with Scott their Prime reason for scumreading other people, YET his lynch still gained no traction baffles me.
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Yea if it turns out the scumteam is something like Scott/HF/Dane I'd be a little salty I think. Not a team we should lose too, but town doesn't seem to want to work together this game.
We still have a shot at pulling this game out of the hole guys, but we actually need to come together. Town is spending too much time fighting Town I think and mafia are rolling us.
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On September 04 2016 05:21 Holyflare wrote:
I see no reason to see that Scott is town. It is also heavily associative but also not too.
I kinda agree with this, but tbh I think a lot of people fall into the category of pushing Scott but not really trying to get him lynched. It's part of what is making this a hard game.
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I'm perfectly fine with a Scott lynch.
If he is town, then well G-fucking-G.
If he is mafia then we get to dig through this giant pile of associations with him!
##Vote: Scott
HF, I'm not gunna sit around in the thread waiting to chat with someone. If you wanna interact then you are perfectly capable of doing so and people will respond to you as they can.
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On September 04 2016 08:48 Trfel wrote:
Okay, so I'm going to get a lot of hate for this. But I think I'll use night kill association to say that Holyflare is likely mafia.
Night 1, why did disformation die instead of Holyflare? Both of them claimed cop. Honestly I thought that neither of them were the cop, but of the two, I would have guessed that Holyflare's claim is more likely to be true. But disformation was shot and not Holyflare. Also note that while disformation is a good player, Holyflare is widely known as being one of the best on the site.
Okay, so maybe it was just a really good read from mafia. Then why not kill Holyflare on Night 2? He's one of the only people still playing the game. And again, he's known as an amazing player and can pull town back from multiple LYLOs, and there's minimal pressure on him. Mafia should never leave him alive over a Vivax that made 3-ish posts all night phase and said he was AFKing on scott31337 or geript.
So yeah. I'm not super caught up yet, I'll read things more carefully tonight, but it looks to me like Holyflare is pretty suspicious.
So you would join me and Palmar in murdering HF today if it comes to that?
I'm actually kinda surprised Vivax was killed, though thinking back he was pretty townread and active.
Who are your top 2 lynches and your top 3 town today?
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On September 04 2016 09:04 Holyflare wrote:
Are you not the least bit concerned that absolutely nobody wanted to vote him?
You mean Scott?
Yea I mean he's been scum read by so many people, or so many people are kinda just assuming he is scum.
Though I've gone back and forth myself, and tbh I still think there is a chance he is town. Some people like Koshi still townread him as well I think? It's very possible that D1 was all town wagons kus we just had alot of lynchbaity town this game.
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On September 04 2016 16:43 scott31337 wrote:
So Vivax died instead of the three smart ones - HF, Palmar, Koshi - that's the first point I've noted.
Scott besides this what is your take on Koshi this game?
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I'm gunna just go with this for a moment, kus I wont be really looking into things till later.
##Unvote
I kinda like this push from Scott.
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On September 04 2016 17:01 scott31337 wrote:
Okay. Pretty sure Vivax is dead because he was starting to figure the game out.
It's been a crappy weekend so I'm already on a few beers, but this gives me good information.
While NK wifom is always meh, but this was kinda my tinfoil theory as well. It's a little weak but these were some solid posts from Vivax.
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Well apparently I haven't opened Trfel's filter before.
Seeing how it's LyLo I believe it's time I do that.
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Trfel:
Started with Pg4, just skimming for how he approaches lynch.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 05:18 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:On August 31 2016 02:15 Palmar wrote:
fuck it TW actually sounds kind of like town. I'm going back to geript. What about his responses make you think he's town? Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him. Yeah, I know.... Bleh, okay. ##unvote
##vote Tumblewood On August 31 2016 05:49 Trfel wrote:I think that scott31337 is a better lynch than Tumblewood. There are some reasons that Tumblewood doesn't look that great, but I don't think that parts of his play make much sense for him to be mafia. Waiting for the last second to flail around, I don't really like  I'm not sure that Tumblewood is town. I'm not super torn up if he's lynched. But there are several things that make me doubt. And scott31337 is a decent chance at being mafia. I don't think that DanelerH is a good lynch. On August 31 2016 05:57 Trfel wrote:
I'd rather not lynch Rels, I think.
Whats weird to me here is how he caved to what I said and voted TW, also the later explanation about why he preffer's Scott over TW is super long winded without saying anything.
Just to check here were his thoughts coming into that lynch:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 30 2016 16:50 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 16:44 disformation wrote:
Damn. Just missed Rels.
Well... @Trfel: you are asking a lot of questions, were you able to reach some conclusions from the answers etc? I think I'm wanting to lynch scott31337. I think that Tictock has been providing a sensible approach to the game and some original thought, and that's enough to override my stupid meta read anyway, because I'm bad at meta when it's not about Palmar. My reasons to think that scott31337 were town basically came down to that I wouldn't think he would want to play the game if he was mafia. But that's pretty dumb. Looking at his play with that aside, he looks like mafia  I'll explain more in the near future. I still kind of want to lynch Tumblewood, but he's really carefree, and that's giving me a bit of doubt. I did a brief meta check on the 72 hours game, and he seemed less carefree and more intentional (he was mafia in that game). And his meta read on Tictock is actually a decent read. For the moment, I think I prefer scott31337. Still working on you and geript, but I don't really think I want to lynch either of you? On August 30 2016 17:17 Trfel wrote:
Okay, so not sure what geript's up to, but I'm going to bed. I'm not sure about geript, but I'll look at him more tomorrow.
I want to lynch scott31337. He's been decently active, present, and conversational, but his reads don't go anywhere, it doesn't seem like he's been solving the game. This has been said before, I'll try to state it in a simple and clear way.
He started by checking meta on Rels and comparing that to his opening in this game, and voted for Rels. Then he said that Race Bannon could be mafia for his post about PMs. Then he said that "maybe the others have a point" about disformation not having many reads, implying that he's getting a bit suspicious of disformation. Then he says that Palmar's townread on Race Bannon makes sense, but Race Bannon is still in his mafia pool. Then he says he's down for lynching Tumblewood as well.
Then he votes for Tumblewood, with no explanation.
And he still hasn't even said why he thinks Tumblewood is scum. Scott31337 has zero continuity to his reads at all. It doesn't look like he's actually trying to figure out the best lynch but rather saying whatever sounds towny in that instant.
##vote scott31337 There was another post that I felt was skippable. On August 31 2016 04:20 Trfel wrote:
I could maybe lynch DanelerH, though. It's just very hard to see him approaching this game from a town mindset. I cannot figure out how he's going about solving the game, the direction of his filter seems to be more just random. The biggest example of that being his latest series of posts, where after voting for geript yesterday, he talks about some random, disconnected stuff today, of no relevance to the lynch.
The only problem is that I could maybe see him being town and not posting many of his actual thoughts, to the point that the progression in what he has posted makes no sense.
That said, the point that Holyflare made on him makes a lot of sense, and his response doesn't seem very interested in figuring out people's alignments.
Kinda meh case on scott, coming from Trfel it's like he doesn't really believe it especially for swaying so easily later on. Actually pretty much all his reads feel wishy-washy.
On August 31 2016 06:31 Trfel wrote:
And that's a very, very interesting point on Tictock.
Referring ofc to HF's post about me. + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 06:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 06:03 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Final Vote Count
Votes: - Rels (6) - Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood, Tictock, Palmar
- Tumblewood (1) - scott31337
- geript (0) -
Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels,
Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
- Vivax (1) - Race Bannon
- DanelerH (1) - geript
Not voting: - Slightly coloured for my entertainment. Interesting things to note, Scott WAS around as referenced here: literally at the deadline but DIDN'T vote to save himself??? Not sure if knew was blue and didn't want to vote or just wasn't around, need to look back at cases people have been posting on him
People that voted Rels after he claimed being blue: Don't think I've seen Palmar say a word about Rels but was quite happy to stay off the Tumblewood wagon and afk until rels claims blue?? Ticktock did some weird shit: Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:43 Tictock wrote:
Deadline is so close... I think I'm going back to Legion.
I want Tumble to be the lynch today, so plz no last min shenannies. Dane is a worse lynch than Tumble. Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:54 Tictock wrote:On August 31 2016 05:51 Rels wrote:
I've read Scott geript and tw filter and I want a geript lynch
Tumble had some townie reactions not long ago
Scott last read list is like exactly mine with my name instead of his name. He could be town for that
Geript has done nothing after his two tryhard posts that had inconsistency in it. I think he is the more likely to flip scum
FTR I also really dislike the way tt is pushing tumble lynch, he is missing some kind of doubts townie usually have Good, now I feel like my vote on you at the start of the game was justified. Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:57 Tictock wrote:
Arg I actually still don't like the shennanie... but then voted rels as soon as he claimed blue
On August 31 2016 07:15 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 07:10 Holyflare wrote:
I'm just really confused by Scott tbh, who posted the better than vivax case on him? The short case on scott31337 was written by me. I'm here-ish, and I'll analyze stuff tonight, but I kinda feel like I need a bit of a break. I'm in agreement with most of the stuff you're saying now though, even though the Tictock point annoys me because I was really starting to think that he was town.
The bolded feels off to me, something about being intrigued and annoyed at the same thing.
Maybe it's more because of the followup in This post is kinda just focused on that one point without really looking at anything else. I liked this read earlier because Trfel seems to be looking at if there is town modivation in what I did. Now I'm noticing the same pattern as before in that read and This other one he made at the same time about Race. It's kinda like Trfel is just having a hard time really calling anyone mafia.
Going back to skimming again, for any pushes or votes.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 01 2016 17:06 Trfel wrote:
Well, I have to wake up in three hours, so that's it for me. I tried to do some lazy POE stuff but it didn't end up with anything eye-opening.
In short, I really like DanelerH because in addition to his play feeling honest and open (example that he said he didn't think we could play at night), it doesn't feel like he's playing for survival or for townreads, but rather actually thinking about the game. One example of this is his early scumread on Koshi, another is not caving in to Holyflare's pressure and looking at disformation.
I'm actually not as sure on scott31337 being mafia, his latest series of posts felt more towny due to the emotions. And geript's play has started to feel more and more like I'd expect from him as town; not so much the immediately solving the game part, but the thought process.
On the other hand, Tumblewood and Tictock feel worse and worse to me. Tumblewood still hasn't done anything really other than that Tictock read, and he hasn't felt very involved at all, or motivated to play the game other than that one burst of activity to survive the lynch. For Tictock, his End of Day seemed really bad, and there was some other stuff which I'm forgetting because I'm too tired, but I dunno. I guess I kind of forgot why I thought he was mafia, I'll have to look at him again later.
Still haven't looked at Palmar at all.... And a bit paranoid of Vivax and maybe maaaaaybe Koshi.
Voting for Tumblewood.
Good night. Notice the bolded? nothing new about Palmar then... On September 02 2016 12:58 Trfel wrote:
Palmar feels especially uncaring today. Even worse than before.
If Palmar is town and being mislynched by a Holyflare that he thinks is mafia, I'd expect him to do something about it.
##unvote
##vote Palmar
Koshi, why did you change your read on Vivax to town? On September 03 2016 01:19 Trfel wrote:Caught up with the thread. I really don't know what to do Part of me wants to lynch Holyflare because I'm being bad and can't find mafia, part of me wants to say that my townread on scott31337 was bad believe in the spreadsheet thing.... Or maybe just stick with Palmar. I guess just stick with Palmar. Because of that one Holyflare post where Palmar can be town and afk, but he can't be town with a scumread on Holyflare and afk. Need to head out now but I'll be back later. This post is actually terrible. He randomly wants to lynch HF, but he decide's he will stay with Palmar because of something HF said? And where does Trfel end up? On September 03 2016 05:02 Trfel wrote:
Don't have time but am sheeping.
Now Trfel did mention that he started back at College so I'll give him some beifit of the doubt that he has less time, but still... where has the passion or care gone?
D1 and into N1 Trfel was at least making cases and reads even if most of them read's like they are afraid to call people mafia.
Yea I don't mind a Trfel lynch at all.
##Vote: Trfel
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