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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 22 2016 22:54 GMT
#3180
Okay, first we need to come up with the kill list.

1) chezinu
2) GlowingBear
3) prplhz

Does anyone strongly oppose to these three for starters?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 22 2016 22:55 GMT
#3183
Also, I miss you koshi. Come back

+ Show Spoiler +
lol jk, enjoy the probing
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 22 2016 22:57 GMT
#3188
On August 23 2016 07:55 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2016 07:52 kitaman27 wrote:
Heh you actually cost us 2 moves by moving chez to safety, but it's okay as long as nobody else wastes their vote


Well Kurumi pulled him back for whatever reason, I'm not sure where the two comes from but I'm guessing pulling others back would have moved him further up?

But yeah.


Kurumi pulled him so we can kill him. It's much easier to kill chez by pulling them off the edge than pushing him into the fire.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 22 2016 22:57 GMT
#3190
On August 23 2016 07:56 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2016 07:54 prplhz wrote:
THERE'S AN ITEM ON THE CONVEYOR BELT

MAYBE IT'S KOSHI???

this makes prplhz 100% town imo. interesting thought but improbable. I should check if we can push the item.


If I remember correctly, there were items in the previous factory mafia games. They let you influence the queue in different ways.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 22 2016 22:58 GMT
#3192
On August 23 2016 07:57 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2016 07:57 kitaman27 wrote:
On August 23 2016 07:55 Half the Sky wrote:
On August 23 2016 07:52 kitaman27 wrote:
Heh you actually cost us 2 moves by moving chez to safety, but it's okay as long as nobody else wastes their vote


Well Kurumi pulled him back for whatever reason, I'm not sure where the two comes from but I'm guessing pulling others back would have moved him further up?

But yeah.


Kurumi pulled him so we can kill him. It's much easier to kill chez by pulling them off the edge than pushing him into the fire.

no. if we push him off the edge he escapes the conveyor belt altogether.


They escape...and then die.

"However for every player that escapes, the flames will burn brighter, making more spots "red" aka "dead"."
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 22 2016 22:59 GMT
#3194
On August 23 2016 07:58 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2016 07:57 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 23 2016 07:57 kitaman27 wrote:
On August 23 2016 07:55 Half the Sky wrote:
On August 23 2016 07:52 kitaman27 wrote:
Heh you actually cost us 2 moves by moving chez to safety, but it's okay as long as nobody else wastes their vote


Well Kurumi pulled him back for whatever reason, I'm not sure where the two comes from but I'm guessing pulling others back would have moved him further up?

But yeah.


Kurumi pulled him so we can kill him. It's much easier to kill chez by pulling them off the edge than pushing him into the fire.

no. if we push him off the edge he escapes the conveyor belt altogether.


They escape...and then die.

"However for every player that escapes, the flames will burn brighter, making more spots "red" aka "dead"."


oh I'm wrong. I misinterpreted this part.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 22 2016 23:16 GMT
#3222
Okay I'll try to coordinate things.

We can use this list to keep track of how many actions we have left to use. We gotta assume that the players that are about to get burned aren't going to cooperate so we need to save an extra push to counter their pull for every person we decide to kill. We also gotta assume that a couple people will be afk and forget to push/pull, though hopefully we can get more participation than the previous time.

Tumblewood push pull
Artanis[Xp] push pull
Rels push pull
Lunaticman push pull
kitaman27 push pull
Stutters695 push pull
Damdred push pull
Shapelog push pull
Fecalfeast push pull
Disformation push pull
GlowingBear push pull
iamperfection push pull
sicklucker push pull
Meapak_Ziphh push pull
Chezinu push pull
prplhz push pull
Kurumi push pull
Half the Sky push pull

Once we finalize the list, we can start deciding who to use their push/pulls to send them down into the danger zone.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 22 2016 23:18 GMT
#3227
On August 23 2016 08:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2016 08:14 Half the Sky wrote:
On August 23 2016 07:35 Palmar wrote:
3. There is enough room for 2 humans to occupy the same spot on the conveyor belt. However if a 3rd human is PoPed into their spot that human is going to be PoPed into the next available spot in most cases. Clearly there are exceptions to this rule.

4. Humans can be PoPed to the edge of the conveyor belt (aka the highest or lowest slot on the queue). If they are pushed past that they will escape the hellish nightmare. However for every player that escapes, the flames will burn brighter, making more spots "red" aka "dead".


How I understand #4 is that you can push someone off the conveyor belt and that player escapes (the hellish nightmare), but for those palyers left on, more of the incinerator is deadly.

Ergo, what Kurumi did was anti-town.



Or rather a rephrasing.

4. Humans can be PoPed to the edge of the conveyor belt (aka the highest or lowest slot on the queue). If they are pushed past that they will escape the hellish nightmare. However for every player that escapes, the flames will burn brighter, making more spots (on the conveyor belt) "red" aka "dead".

Kita, can you confirm this?


In the previous factory games, if you pulled a player off the conveyor then they would instantly die. In this game, it looks like the mechanics have been changed so that they live and we create more fire.

I think the ideal strat here is just to avoid pulling people off completely.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 22 2016 23:18 GMT
#3228
On August 23 2016 08:17 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2016 08:11 Half the Sky wrote:
Also I read Palmar's ruleset very very carefully 3 or so times....and I think Kurumi might have tried to actually pull Chez to safety.

Pushing anyone off the conveyor belt means another row (in this case, row 6) will become red, as in the incinerator becomes larger.

"more spots on the incinerator...." etc.

Yeah you're right. But ive initially thought chez would die if pushed back so kurumi could have thought that too


Yeah before I was corrected, I thought the same exact thing since that was how it worked in every other game.

Kurumi, were you trying to save or kill chez there?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 22 2016 23:25 GMT
#3237
brb 60 minutes, food time.

I'll try to count how many actions we need for each player.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 23 2016 02:05 GMT
#3276
On August 23 2016 07:13 disformation wrote:
@kita
@luna

can anyone of you do stuff?


Like role wise?

Not really. I can relocate people with one power. The other power of mine gets activated under certain conditions, which haven't been met yet. To be honest, I don't think it will ever get met, but I could be wrong.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 23 2016 02:06 GMT
#3277
On August 23 2016 10:45 sicklucker wrote:
dont worry about the stupid item just kill people


If we push mafia into the item slot, they could gain the power to save themselves or swap positions with a player or whatever. Seems best to keep it in town's hands.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 23 2016 02:42 GMT
#3279
So by tumble's count we can kill 5 people and even leave a bit of wiggle room in 8 pushes. By my count we have 15 pushes to work with so we might want to consider added a few more people to the kill list. Even if certain players like shape or rels are slated to die by other means, we've seen time and time again that players are avoiding the traditional kps so we might as well throw them into the furnace just in case they survive. At the same time, we don't want to roast so many players that we put ourselves in a situation where mafia can straight up wipe us out if too many townies are burned.

Here are the priority tier lists at the moment.

Definitly kill
Chezinu
GlowingBear
prplhz

Clearing out the trash because we have kp to spare
iamperfection
Rels
Kurumi
Shapelog

Possibly remaining mafia, but we should probably hold of until we see today's flips
Artanis[Xp]
Lunaticman

99% not killing unless there is a really compelling case I haven't seen
Stutters695
Fecalfeast

Don't consider killing
kitaman27
Koshi
Tumblewood
Damdred
Disformation
sicklucker
Meapak_Ziphh
Half the Sky

Do you guys think it makes sense to settle of the top seven? Or more/less?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 23 2016 02:51 GMT
#3281
On August 23 2016 11:49 iamperfection wrote:
I will follow whoever has plan that involves me not dying in this cycle. They can even have my support going forward.


lol you already said you'd work with mafia to survive. Why wouldn't we kill you if we have the ability to do so at no cost to town?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 23 2016 02:55 GMT
#3284
On August 23 2016 11:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Btw kita is 100% msfia


No u.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 23 2016 03:02 GMT
#3286
Bedtime for me.

We can start assigning push/pull actions to people tomorrow.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 23 2016 13:19 GMT
#3353
On August 23 2016 22:12 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2016 22:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Also accounting for some people not showing up as Kitaman said before I think priority one should be:

(1) Get GB/Chezinu/prplhz in the red/push them up as stated in the main plan
(2) Get disformation out


yup. would love to get like 6kp out of this, but depending on how powerful the item is and/or who shows up when, we might need to play it a bit safer.


I seem to remember a themed game where town essentially could choose as many lynches as they want, but in return mafia received that many kp. I wonder if we might be dealing with something similar here. Anyone remember if this was a Palmar game? I can't find it so far.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 23 2016 14:23 GMT
#3374
I'll take a look disfo.

Give me like 30 minutes.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 23 2016 14:27 GMT
#3375
Wait a minute. Are we interpreting pushes and pulls correctly? I don't think so.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 23 2016 14:30 GMT
#3382
On August 23 2016 08:10 Palmar wrote:
1.[__________][___________]
2.[___________][__________]
3.[__Item__][__________]
4.[__________][__________]
5.[_GlowingBear_][_Lunaticman_]

6.[_Damdred_][_Disformation_]
7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_]
8.[___________][_Shapelog_]
9.[_Half the Sky_][_iamperfection_]
10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___]
11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][___________]
12.[__prplhz__][_Meapak_Ziphh_]
13.[_Chezinu_][__Kurumi__]
14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_]
15.[__________][__________]


If there is a free spot horizontally to the right, will a player take that position before moving vertically up?

For instance, now that we pushed disfo twice, is it possible that he is sitting in 4b, like below:

1.[__________][___________]
2.[___________][__________]
3.[__Item__][__________]
4.[__________][_Disformation_]
5.[_GlowingBear_][_Lunaticman_]

6.[_Damdred_][_]_]
7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_]
8.[___________][_Shapelog_]
9.[_Half the Sky_][_iamperfection_]
10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___]
11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][___________]
12.[__prplhz__][_Meapak_Ziphh_]
13.[_Chezinu_][__Kurumi__]
14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_]
15.[__________][__________]

We would need to expand an extra push to get him to the item slot if it works this way.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
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