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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 22 2016 23:16 GMT
#3221
On August 23 2016 08:16 disformation wrote:
you can add kurumi to thst list


+1
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
August 22 2016 23:16 GMT
#3222
Okay I'll try to coordinate things.

We can use this list to keep track of how many actions we have left to use. We gotta assume that the players that are about to get burned aren't going to cooperate so we need to save an extra push to counter their pull for every person we decide to kill. We also gotta assume that a couple people will be afk and forget to push/pull, though hopefully we can get more participation than the previous time.

Tumblewood push pull
Artanis[Xp] push pull
Rels push pull
Lunaticman push pull
kitaman27 push pull
Stutters695 push pull
Damdred push pull
Shapelog push pull
Fecalfeast push pull
Disformation push pull
GlowingBear push pull
iamperfection push pull
sicklucker push pull
Meapak_Ziphh push pull
Chezinu push pull
prplhz push pull
Kurumi push pull
Half the Sky push pull

Once we finalize the list, we can start deciding who to use their push/pulls to send them down into the danger zone.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 22 2016 23:17 GMT
#3223
On August 23 2016 08:14 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2016 07:35 Palmar wrote:
3. There is enough room for 2 humans to occupy the same spot on the conveyor belt. However if a 3rd human is PoPed into their spot that human is going to be PoPed into the next available spot in most cases. Clearly there are exceptions to this rule.

4. Humans can be PoPed to the edge of the conveyor belt (aka the highest or lowest slot on the queue). If they are pushed past that they will escape the hellish nightmare. However for every player that escapes, the flames will burn brighter, making more spots "red" aka "dead".


How I understand #4 is that you can push someone off the conveyor belt and that player escapes (the hellish nightmare), but for those palyers left on, more of the incinerator is deadly.

Ergo, what Kurumi did was anti-town.

good to see we're on the same page.
I agree with lots that we shouldn't be idiots and push / pull without a plan. that's how we lose this game.
good times for all
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
August 22 2016 23:17 GMT
#3224
On August 23 2016 08:10 Half the Sky wrote:
Also prplhz, there are a lot more people that want you burnt, so if you are town, I strongly suggest you start taking things a little more seriously and actually helping the town. If you are third party and need to survive to fulfill part of whatever wincon you have, same deal.

Not to mention DI (more or less) confirmed me town day 1. If you want to argue against that, then go for it. OMGUSing anyone is really not going to get you anywhere.

There are plenty of reasons to objectively call you scum, and none of it has anything to do with how you are reading me. I am also not the only one actually scumhunting. If you want to not take the game seriously, that's your perogative, but don't act all surprised when the people that want to actually play call you out for it and want to see you flip.

We did eliminate a mafia, regardless of this being a Caller game or not.

"We"

disformation.

i really don't care that you think you're scum hunting when all you say is wrong and it results in dead townies. i suggested we lynch GlowingBear and Trfel yesterday. you suggested Skynx and iamperfection. i said that Skynx was town and that there was no real case on iamperfection. you lynched them anyway.

now Skynx flipped town and iamperfection is 3rd party and Trfel flipped scum. i really don't care that you think you're scum hunting or that you feel entitled to a town read for it.

there are plenty of reasons to objectively call me scum, and none of those are any good.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 22 2016 23:17 GMT
#3225
On August 23 2016 08:15 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2016 08:11 Half the Sky wrote:
Also I read Palmar's ruleset very very carefully 3 or so times....and I think Kurumi might have tried to actually pull Chez to safety.

Pushing anyone off the conveyor belt means another row (in this case, row 6) will become red, as in the incinerator becomes larger.

"more spots on the incinerator...." etc.

could be any row if you think about it


This is true.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 22 2016 23:17 GMT
#3226
On August 23 2016 08:11 Half the Sky wrote:
Also I read Palmar's ruleset very very carefully 3 or so times....and I think Kurumi might have tried to actually pull Chez to safety.

Pushing anyone off the conveyor belt means another row (in this case, row 6) will become red, as in the incinerator becomes larger.

"more spots on the incinerator...." etc.

Yeah you're right. But ive initially thought chez would die if pushed back so kurumi could have thought that too
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
August 22 2016 23:18 GMT
#3227
On August 23 2016 08:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2016 08:14 Half the Sky wrote:
On August 23 2016 07:35 Palmar wrote:
3. There is enough room for 2 humans to occupy the same spot on the conveyor belt. However if a 3rd human is PoPed into their spot that human is going to be PoPed into the next available spot in most cases. Clearly there are exceptions to this rule.

4. Humans can be PoPed to the edge of the conveyor belt (aka the highest or lowest slot on the queue). If they are pushed past that they will escape the hellish nightmare. However for every player that escapes, the flames will burn brighter, making more spots "red" aka "dead".


How I understand #4 is that you can push someone off the conveyor belt and that player escapes (the hellish nightmare), but for those palyers left on, more of the incinerator is deadly.

Ergo, what Kurumi did was anti-town.



Or rather a rephrasing.

4. Humans can be PoPed to the edge of the conveyor belt (aka the highest or lowest slot on the queue). If they are pushed past that they will escape the hellish nightmare. However for every player that escapes, the flames will burn brighter, making more spots (on the conveyor belt) "red" aka "dead".

Kita, can you confirm this?


In the previous factory games, if you pulled a player off the conveyor then they would instantly die. In this game, it looks like the mechanics have been changed so that they live and we create more fire.

I think the ideal strat here is just to avoid pulling people off completely.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
August 22 2016 23:18 GMT
#3228
On August 23 2016 08:17 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2016 08:11 Half the Sky wrote:
Also I read Palmar's ruleset very very carefully 3 or so times....and I think Kurumi might have tried to actually pull Chez to safety.

Pushing anyone off the conveyor belt means another row (in this case, row 6) will become red, as in the incinerator becomes larger.

"more spots on the incinerator...." etc.

Yeah you're right. But ive initially thought chez would die if pushed back so kurumi could have thought that too


Yeah before I was corrected, I thought the same exact thing since that was how it worked in every other game.

Kurumi, were you trying to save or kill chez there?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
August 22 2016 23:20 GMT
#3229
Kurumi is trying to save Chezinu. He's been calling him town all game.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9640 Posts
August 22 2016 23:20 GMT
#3230
as long as i dont get killed i dont care. Come up with a majority and i will make that my action.

ill do it tomorrow.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
August 22 2016 23:21 GMT
#3231
you should start pushing me or i'm gonna pull myself to make this even harder on you
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6785 Posts
August 22 2016 23:23 GMT
#3232
On August 23 2016 08:20 iamperfection wrote:
as long as i dont get killed i dont care. Come up with a majority and i will make that my action.

ill do it tomorrow.

lmao its shit like this....
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 22 2016 23:23 GMT
#3233
ideally:
- we as town get the item
- GB, chezinu, iamp, prplhz, and maybe kurumi die
- no one falls off the edge (too unpredictable for my taste)
good times for all
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9640 Posts
August 22 2016 23:23 GMT
#3234
and for the record this game is far to well organized and run to be considered a caller game
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 22 2016 23:24 GMT
#3235
On August 23 2016 08:21 prplhz wrote:
you should start pushing me or i'm gonna pull myself to make this even harder on you

you can't pull yourself.
unless you actually can and you should tell us
good times for all
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
August 22 2016 23:24 GMT
#3236
you should consider pulling disformation to safety so some scum doesn't push him into the red in the last moment
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
August 22 2016 23:25 GMT
#3237
brb 60 minutes, food time.

I'll try to count how many actions we need for each player.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 22 2016 23:29 GMT
#3238
On August 23 2016 08:17 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2016 08:10 Half the Sky wrote:
Also prplhz, there are a lot more people that want you burnt, so if you are town, I strongly suggest you start taking things a little more seriously and actually helping the town. If you are third party and need to survive to fulfill part of whatever wincon you have, same deal.

Not to mention DI (more or less) confirmed me town day 1. If you want to argue against that, then go for it. OMGUSing anyone is really not going to get you anywhere.

There are plenty of reasons to objectively call you scum, and none of it has anything to do with how you are reading me. I am also not the only one actually scumhunting. If you want to not take the game seriously, that's your perogative, but don't act all surprised when the people that want to actually play call you out for it and want to see you flip.

We did eliminate a mafia, regardless of this being a Caller game or not.

"We"

disformation.

i really don't care that you think you're scum hunting when all you say is wrong and it results in dead townies. i suggested we lynch GlowingBear and Trfel yesterday. you suggested Skynx and iamperfection. i said that Skynx was town and that there was no real case on iamperfection. you lynched them anyway.

now Skynx flipped town and iamperfection is 3rd party and Trfel flipped scum. i really don't care that you think you're scum hunting or that you feel entitled to a town read for it.

there are plenty of reasons to objectively call me scum, and none of those are any good.


I think you completely missed the part where scum shot me day/night 1 (or whenever it was). I had scumread Trfel day 1. Whether that directly led to disformation doing what he did to Trfel I don't know. But I know what I did.

I've read your filter several times and tried to picture a world where you could be playing a suboptimal game, that's the other problem. At best you're disrupting town, there was one post where you used a lot of wifom to paint suspicion on Koshi/Kita/myself. If you're going to do something like that, at least get something from our filter and show why we are objectively scummy.

You also hard scum read Chez at least a few times and inferred you either wanted to nuke him or see him eliminated because he wasn't transparent in his powers (paraphrasing), and the evolution of both your reads on Chezinu and Lunaticman are both very disconnected for you to have done what you've done now.

Furthermore Chezinu has done nothing to advance the game, so where you get the townread on him (seeing as you inferred Kita's list was a bunch of townies) makes no sense.

As for IAMP he's continued acting very anti-town and openly displayed a willingness to end the game, so we (town) have to fight that as well.

You saying Skynx was town doesn't make you town either, you very well could have had TMI.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
August 22 2016 23:31 GMT
#3239
On August 23 2016 08:29 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2016 08:17 prplhz wrote:
On August 23 2016 08:10 Half the Sky wrote:
Also prplhz, there are a lot more people that want you burnt, so if you are town, I strongly suggest you start taking things a little more seriously and actually helping the town. If you are third party and need to survive to fulfill part of whatever wincon you have, same deal.

Not to mention DI (more or less) confirmed me town day 1. If you want to argue against that, then go for it. OMGUSing anyone is really not going to get you anywhere.

There are plenty of reasons to objectively call you scum, and none of it has anything to do with how you are reading me. I am also not the only one actually scumhunting. If you want to not take the game seriously, that's your perogative, but don't act all surprised when the people that want to actually play call you out for it and want to see you flip.

We did eliminate a mafia, regardless of this being a Caller game or not.

"We"

disformation.

i really don't care that you think you're scum hunting when all you say is wrong and it results in dead townies. i suggested we lynch GlowingBear and Trfel yesterday. you suggested Skynx and iamperfection. i said that Skynx was town and that there was no real case on iamperfection. you lynched them anyway.

now Skynx flipped town and iamperfection is 3rd party and Trfel flipped scum. i really don't care that you think you're scum hunting or that you feel entitled to a town read for it.

there are plenty of reasons to objectively call me scum, and none of those are any good.


I think you completely missed the part where scum shot me day/night 1 (or whenever it was). I had scumread Trfel day 1. Whether that directly led to disformation doing what he did to Trfel I don't know. But I know what I did.

I've read your filter several times and tried to picture a world where you could be playing a suboptimal game, that's the other problem. At best you're disrupting town, there was one post where you used a lot of wifom to paint suspicion on Koshi/Kita/myself. If you're going to do something like that, at least get something from our filter and show why we are objectively scummy.

You also hard scum read Chez at least a few times and inferred you either wanted to nuke him or see him eliminated because he wasn't transparent in his powers (paraphrasing), and the evolution of both your reads on Chezinu and Lunaticman are both very disconnected for you to have done what you've done now.

Furthermore Chezinu has done nothing to advance the game, so where you get the townread on him (seeing as you inferred Kita's list was a bunch of townies) makes no sense.

As for IAMP he's continued acting very anti-town and openly displayed a willingness to end the game, so we (town) have to fight that as well.

You saying Skynx was town doesn't make you town either, you very well could have had TMI.

Oh, maybe I did. How do we know scum shot you d1?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 22 2016 23:32 GMT
#3240
we can have 3 people use their pushes and pulls on disfo or 5 their pushes. one more is needed to make sure scum can't kill him.
GB could use another push
I want to say we should make sure Damdred doesn't die, but is he even town? I've just been blindly trusting in him all game.
chez needs about 4 pushes. do him before iamp to save on pushes.
good times for all
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