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##vote: Race Bannon | ||
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On July 31 2016 22:48 MoosyDoosy wrote: Hey guys, totally reasonable Moosy chipping in here. My totally logical thoughts say that Race Bannon is spamming for the sake of spamming. As a man who employs this technique myself I say it's safe to ignore every post he makes and address him on a later date since he's basically guaranteed to act like a sack of potatoes all of D1. Slight issue is that's totally unreasonable. He was completely capable of producing readable content as both alignments in previous games. This is probably an attempt to shift his meta, although it's almost inconsequential because it is incredibly anti-town. | ||
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On August 01 2016 00:38 Grackaroni wrote: You should read Race Bannon's blog. Page 2 is where it starts to really get good. Can I get a tldr? Gonna lynch him? | ||
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On August 01 2016 00:55 Grackaroni wrote: It is just the LONGEST stream of gibberish that I have ever seen. Celestial is right it looks like Race just got banned for 2 weeks, so a replacement should be on the way. Based on his play so far I think he was more likely to be town. Explain | ||
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On August 01 2016 01:01 Grackaroni wrote: Mafia tends to play a bit more subdued. I think there's a bit more fear of being lynched as mafia than town, and sometimes you feel more obligation to your team as mafia than town. I'm not really convinced Race cares too much either way though, so definitely not a certain read. You've played more than enough games to know that isn't true. You scum dawg? | ||
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On August 02 2016 02:27 Grackaroni wrote: I don't have any. Right now I'm just trying to narrow down who I want to vote between you/Skynx/J Roc/BtDt. Everyone else I don't want to lynch today. So not a single one of us sticks out above another to you? | ||
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On August 02 2016 03:13 Grackaroni wrote: Care to explain? And I am making effort but the game is impossible when nobody posts. You have two pages of filter, but not a single lynch candidate. What are you making an effort towards, because it doesn't seem to be finding scum. | ||
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On August 02 2016 03:32 beentheredonethat wrote: Skimming grecks filter: he makes lots of questions but does not craw conclusions. He has voted now on Lunatic which I tend to like but given he asked so many questions thus far he should have strong stances on the guys he asked. This guy gets it | ||
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On August 02 2016 03:44 Grackaroni wrote: There's nothing here I can respond to. Stutters, you have only given one read so far this game and it's on me for not having found scum in this 19 page game. I don't think this is reasonable, especially considering I've been one of the only people here in thread actually trying. I'd like you to go back into the thread from before where I posted my list of lynch targets and come up with detailed scum reads. OMGUS lol. Anyway, let's start small. Would you rather lynch a lurker or someone active? | ||
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I'm not sold on lunatic. He's had a hard time establishing reads, but that's more expected from a new player. | ||
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He might be scum but your points are a stretch, it'll become more apparent in time and I'm not convinced enough to lynch him over someone who is barely posting when that's half the game. | ||
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On August 02 2016 04:39 -Celestial- wrote: Honestly...sod it. I don't like silent's posts in the thread so far and he's nowhere to be seen. I don't want to get in trouble for not voting at all so for now (and in case I don't get time to come back on later) I'm parking my vote there. If nothing else it dials up the pressure on him to actually post something more. ##Vote: silentwarrior This guy gets it ##vote: silent | ||
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On August 02 2016 04:50 Grackaroni wrote: We have two players with long filters for this game skynx/Luna voting for somebody afk. We have a bunch of other people who have posted close to nothing worth commenting on. With this in mind, how exactly is your push on me not completely horrible? Now add in the fact that you are unwilling to contribute anything else besides this. Why shouldn't I vote you? I was going to write something on Lunatic but I'm going to go reread the start of his filter from the last game first. I'm done with pushing you until after the lynch. Downside to missing most of d1 and not having the time to throw up a large post from mobile. | ||
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On August 02 2016 05:26 Skynx wrote: Anyway I think this is my preferred priority algorythm for now: Rels>Stutters>btdt>Grack>silent So imo i liked gracks posts more than other two. Can't really quote out specific ones but his interactions felt more like natural towny to me. Rels is plynch, same with silent. We can also throw a curveball and go Luna if we don't want to deal with similar behavior cuz he didnt changed much but pretty sure he's town. So one policy lynch (who just came back to the game) is a better lynch than any of your scum reads who are all better than the other policy lynch? | ||
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On August 02 2016 05:37 Skynx wrote: Hmm actually thats quite bad. Bunch of other stuff not really saying much. He also likes my comment saying RB is a lazy scumread. Like as inconsistent as it gets. Holy misrepresentation batman. Basically every post between the two you quoted talked about why he felt Scott was scummy. | ||
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On August 02 2016 01:51 mderg wrote: The scumread itself is not my issue with scott. I'll try to explain it again. btdt's post basically had a big sign with "That's bad for town" attached to it. Scott scumread him for that,nothing wrong with that, though a bit superficial. Then he also townread J Roc for voicing the same concerns about the post with the big sign. Calling out such a post is really not a reason for townreading somebody. He also liked silentwarrior's post about Kelsier. Kelsier carrying a huge sign saying "anti town". That's just way too superficial for me. There's no effort to really figure people out in there, just focusing on single posts with imo very little value. It's like he's following a simple line of seeing a obviouslybad post -> seeing people calling those posts out -> townreading those people. I'd expect a townie to put a bit more thought into it than that. This post makes me much more in favor of a silent lynch over mderg now that I've read his filter | ||
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On August 02 2016 06:36 -Celestial- wrote: EBWOP: I don't like silent as much as I did but I still think he's pretty scummy. For clarification there, before someone decides to misrepresent me. Out of curiosity, what did you see in his post that makes you less sure? Before he was a plynch essentially, now he's someone I actively want to lynch. | ||
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On August 02 2016 06:51 Grackaroni wrote: If you missed most of day1 why would you push me like this? If I missed most of day 1 I'd at least show some caution with my reads rather than barge in with a 75% certain scum read like you did. Neither of us are getting lynched today, so let's focus on determining who is the best lynch. We have one hour until the lynch. I don't doubt my read, but I don't have the thread presence to make this happen. What did you think about silent's return post and voting for me? | ||
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On August 02 2016 04:39 -Celestial- wrote: Honestly...sod it. I don't like silent's posts in the thread so far and he's nowhere to be seen. I don't want to get in trouble for not voting at all so for now (and in case I don't get time to come back on later) I'm parking my vote there. If nothing else it dials up the pressure on him to actually post something more. ##Vote: silentwarrior Pretty straightforward that it's a plynch. | ||
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On August 02 2016 07:01 Grackaroni wrote: I'm already voted for Mderg. Silent's post looks fine to me, what's your issue with it? It shows either a general lack of disinterest(not following along) or an inability to make actual reads. 1) blatant misunderstanding/misrepresentation in his case on me. 2) his point on Scott again shows how little attention he is actually paying. He didn't immediately accuse 4 people of being scum, he said he'd expect to find scum on the wagon and would thus look into them. 3) his scum reads don't show a lot of thought in them while his town reads do. When I first rolled mafia it was incredibly hard to give scum reads with any sort of genuine belief when you know they're town. Bussing and town reads are much easier to give. I'm getting those vibes hard from his comeback post and his lynch gives much more info than a lynch on mderg. | ||
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On August 02 2016 07:13 silentwarrior wrote: As I said, he had made other arguments about me before. But you haven't even mentioned me before the vote, and you just quote Celestial vote just 4 minutes after he made it. So in 4 minutes you went from never mentioning me to voting for me? Also, please explain how it is a policy lynch. On what basis do you lynch me on? You still haven't said that other than saying it's a policy lynch. You were afk for a long period and hadn't really contributed. Unlike rels, you had actually said things and people commented on you however, which makes you a much more logical policy lynch than someone who hadn't posted at all. I don't understand the confusion. | ||
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On August 02 2016 07:37 scott31337 wrote: It isn't me the only one seeing this as well? Itt we make meaningless associations before the flip. | ||
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On August 02 2016 07:55 Grackaroni wrote: I know. I just don't think that you doing so precludes you from being mafia, as stutters suggested. Scum also have a tendency to think things through a bit more than town. | ||
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Jroc, wtf | ||
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On August 02 2016 08:03 Shapelog wrote: Final Day One Votecount mderg (4): silentwarrior (3): -Celestial-, Stutters695, scott31337 (1): KelsierSC, Rels (1): Lunaticman (1): KelsierSC (1): Beentheredonethat (1): Stutters695 (0): Not Voting (1): MoosyDoosy, If we have a vig, they should shoot into btdt, lunatic, jroc, skynx, ksc, moosy or silent. My preference would be silent>ksc> rest personally if you believe in my read. If not just shoot a lurker. Outside of Silent, these people also need to justify their complete lack | ||
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Grack: Looks pretty bad from the day in general. Even worse after the flip. Doing a re-read as I post this. #234 - it's weird that he has a town read on RB, but null. #237- Want to note his "mafia play more subdued" comment. Moving on. + Show Spoiler + On August 01 2016 08:19 Grackaroni wrote: Alright now my thoughts. I thought Silentwarrior's opening post was fine. I don't agree with his thoughts on Kelsier, but it seemed like reasoning a new town player would make. Furthermore, I thought that he would probably be an easy target for scum since he wrote out a case on Kelsier for posts that aren't really alignment indicative. Since earlier in the thread J roc and Mderg posted suspicions on Silentwarrior based on that post and the day has been so slow, I wanted to see if a wagon would form. Not much came from it. Skynx said Silentwarrior was suspicious and Mderg reaffirmed his suspicion. Right now I'm kind of inclined to lynch Mderg just because I think the three people he has pushed so far (Silentwarrior, Lunatic, scott) have been the townier people in the thread, and he has pushed suspicion on two of them and tried to policy lynch the third. This post bothers me. At best this is lazy scumhunting when he should know better. This post lacks any justification into why scum mderg would push those people, just that he should be lynched for having different reads. #326 slight positive for calling out skynx, petty easy thing to see and no real follow-up to be found. + Show Spoiler + On August 02 2016 02:40 Grackaroni wrote: Nope. I might have a slight preference for Skynx but my reasoning is too useless to even bother explaining. I've actually looked through filters quite a bit and I'm pretty much just calling it quits. I'm going to see if Rels shows up and see what he has to say. Has dropped Mderg without any new scumreads of merit or even real suspicion. #358 His case is built on Btdt's case while only contributing that L didn't comment on C's point against grack, however in the quote L thinks he "is probably town" in direct contrast to C's scum lean. Followed by some omgus on me, but I consider that pretty null. Now onto crunch time: Says he's going to re-read Lunas filter from a previous game. OMGUS vote on me with no actual intent to push me. Doesn't follow up on the Luna meta read. Sheeps Rels on Mderg. Again, nothing original. + Show Spoiler + On August 02 2016 07:32 Grackaroni wrote: I reread him and I don't really agree with your conclusion. 1)He's voting you because he thought your case on me was weak and he didn't like that you voted him when you had never mentioned him before. I don't see the misrepresentation. 2) it's not a bad post really. Scott did kind of did accuse all 4 at the start and then choose which one was the scummiest from the four. I think it is at least worth considering. 3) For day 1, I think that's what I would expect. I think the first coaching advice I ever got was that if you're just able to leave day 1 with some strong town reads you're in good shape. Day 1 lynches tend to be hit or miss and this game especially has been bleh. This post especially bothers me. He doesn't acknowledge the clear distinction between a plynch and normal vote which is especially odd considering I was his vote before sheeping Rels. Second point again is wrong. Just soft defending. Although I disagree, I can understand the third point as a difference in philosophy. I'd recommend reading Ver's analysis because what I'm accusing Silent of is strikingly similar to what Grack is doing. The post as a whole comes off as a soft defense of Silent, which looks bad with what happens after. Again to emphasize, he is not contributing to finding scum, but softing town reads and slight pushes for non-indicative things . One might even say it's subdued play. Not spoilering these because they're the most important. On August 02 2016 07:35 Grackaroni wrote: I'm seeing a lot of squirming within Rels' scum reads between celestial and stutters, so I would beg town to follow through on this mderg lynch. Pre-flip associations that accomplish nothing. It's also worth noting how he's just on board with a town Rels with essentially no doubt despite Rels just showing up. He does backtrack on the associations in his next post, rendering this null, but still a lack of any real contribution. With 3 minutes remaining, he finally accepts C and my argument that scum more than likely wouldn't vote how Mderg did, but he "waited too long for shennys" then apologizes to Mderg. It comes off as him being very worried of his appearance after the flip. This dude scum. I'll check his meta tomorrow, but to be frank, I don't think it's even needed. | ||
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Next up will either be silent or general vca. I'll let you guys choose. | ||
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On August 02 2016 10:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:  you're stealing my thunder. Do both silent, vca, and please quote 4 consecutive posts from my filter I made about an hour ago.Not sure if the quote 4 was sarcasm, but if it's not can you quote them for me and I'll edit responses in? | ||
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Gracks KSC vote was clearly a joke at the very start of the game. When Silent came back and was a potential lynch target, he had to come out somewhat strong (regardless of alignment) and I was certainly an easy choice to pump something out on. The last vote by silent was to save himself so of course he'd pick the other wagon. | ||
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I'll concede 358, that was a pretty convoluted point and honestly fairly inconsequential. Made more sense as I was typing it. I didn't push your lynch because we had like an hour and a half until the lynch and I didn't have the clout to get it to go through. Last thing we needed was to shit up the thread more. The plynch vs actual push is the crux of what's wrong with silent's vote on me. His return/vote on me was before I had him as anything other than a policy lynch. Of course I hadn't mentioned him because there was nothing to mention. He was mia and needed to post. Yet, despite your admitted lack of trust in your own reads and your willingness to sheep someone of whom you had no idea their alignment, you defended Silent. Then when you apologized to mderg (implying at least a slight town read at that point) you could have switched to silent, which would have put him in the lead over mderg. Why not do that? This doesn't add up. | ||
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